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[Anonymous No.20815495]

>cъзнaниeтo [consciousness] is the thing-in-itself, for something to be it has to be ocъзнaтo [realized], cъзнaниeтo is therefore the condition under which something exists and the reason as to why it does, the world is just cъзнaниeтo ocъзнaвaйки [realizing] itself under different masks (objects), because something can be ocъзнaтo only if there is something other than it, cъзнaниeтo came before everything else (will, thought, matter)
i solved philosophy

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20815512]

>>20815495
i'm not sure why the need to interject subhumanisms (russian/cyrillic) as subhumans never produced even one philosopher in their history, but ok

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20815514]

also philosophy was solved by me:
>>20808452

enjoy
herbs

[Anonymous No.20815515]

>>20815495
this is basically what the Upanishads already say

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20815529]

>>20815515
critical philosophy was solved a long time ago, Plato solved pre-socratics and Shankara solved the Upanishads.

prescriptive (practical) philosophy hasn't been solved. the end of philosophy comes when critical philosophy finally births a prescriptive philosophy

that time has come:
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[Anonymous No.20815757]

>>20815495
nice try, but animals dont have consciousness, so it cannot be the thing-in-itself because it needs to apply to all living organism

[Anonymous No.20816655]

>>20815495
That's not Kant.

[Anonymous No.20816695]

>>20815757
>nice try, but animals dont have consciousness,
t. hylic

[Anonymous No.20816983]

>>20815512
>>20815514
>>20815529

Shalom troonstein

[Anonymous No.20817001]

>>20815495
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_loop

[Anonymous No.20817009]

>>20815757
>it needs to apply to all living organism
No it absolutely does not, it could literally apply only to myself, albeit that's something I'd very much doubt as the Absolute can't be properly exhausted by me, unless it can, in which case my particular trajectory is the only logically possible one (could be the case)

[Anonymous No.20817014]

>>20817009
>>20815757
>Hofstadter argues that the psychological self arises out of a similar kind of paradox. We are not born with an "I" – the ego emerges only gradually as experience shapes our dense web of active symbols into a tapestry rich and complex enough to begin twisting back upon itself. According to this view the psychological "I" is a narrative fiction, something created only from intake of symbolic data and its own ability to create stories about itself from that data. The consequence is that a perspective (a mind) is a culmination of a unique pattern of symbolic activity in our nervous systems, which suggests that the pattern of symbolic activity that makes identity, that constitutes subjectivity, can be replicated within the brains of others, and perhaps even in artificial brains.

[Anonymous No.20817019]

>>20817009
Until you provide a reason why you're special the reasonable conclusion is that animals feel like animals and rocks feel like rocks.

[Anonymous No.20817032]

>>20817014
The "I" needs a coherent consciousness that reflects on its own existence using memory but the rock consciousness just is.

[Anonymous No.20817036]

>>20815495
Nobody asked

[Anonymous No.20817054]

>>20815495
saged

[Anonymous No.20817065]

>>20817032
There is no "rock consciousness". Your consciousness arises out of symbols and gestures. Same with animals, as they respond to symbols and gestures (albeit without a developed way of communicating language)

[Anonymous No.20817071]

>>20817014
Ego is not Consciousness, and in fact, OP is incorrect, but because consciousness is not the actual thing in itself, but Subject

[Anonymous No.20817079]

>>20817071
why am i incorrect?

[Anonymous No.20817084]

>>20817071
The ego is not consciousness, correct, but the ego is the one creating the "narrative fiction" about the "I"

[Anonymous No.20817088]

>>20817054
that picture is on the cover of my CPR and CPR

[Anonymous No.20817121]

>>20817065
>Your consciousness arises out of symbols and gestures
You're describing a p-zombie. There's a missing element. Unless you give a reason why it's local and an exception the most reasonable assumption is it's universal.

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817135]

>>20816983
funny, as I reject both judaism and gender ideology

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817144]

>>20817121
why are we having redundant conversations on /lit/? this conversation is already being had in the dennett thread,already progressed beyond all this

herbs

[Anonymous No.20817146]

>>20817054
>>20816655
based.

[Anonymous No.20817157]

>>20817121
Refer back to the strange loop article. There's nothing missing because it's an ouroboros

[Anonymous No.20817169]

>>20817157
>because it's an ouroboros
The ouroboros explains identity not qualia.

[Anonymous No.20817180]

>>20817169
>Hofstadter claims a similar "flipping around of causality" appears to happen in minds possessing self-consciousness. The mind perceives itself as the cause of certain feelings ("I" am the source of my desires), while according to popular scientific models, feelings and desires are strictly caused by the interactions of neurons.
Identity is qualia because you were not born with the "I"

[Anonymous No.20817248]

>>20817180
>The mind perceives itself
Presupposes perception. We start with perception and create an identity by perceiving our selves. Coherent feelings over time need memory.

[Anonymous No.20817262]

>>20816655
>>20817054
i refuse to believe Kant wasnt hot

[Anonymous No.20817263]

>>20817248
It doesn't presuppose anything, it's bi-directional not one way

[Anonymous No.20817267]

>>20817262
He loved woman in age.. when woman liked woman....

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817279]

>>20817084
>The ego is not consciousness, correct, but the ego is the one creating the "narrative fiction" about the "I"
does this Hofstadter guy think he is saying anything novel here? all of this was already done by Hegel and Heidegger not to mention Śankara, Plato (whom Heidegger did NOT truly refute)

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817286]

>>20817279
and of course the three masters of suspicion: Marx, Nietzsche and psychoanalysis

[Anonymous No.20817287]

>>20815495
great minds think alike

[Anonymous No.20817295]

>>20817279
He's a mathematician not a philosopher playing word games

[Anonymous No.20817296]

>>20817263
You're describing something happening, some "force" or something doing a circular interaction. If it's nothing doing it or just atoms moving around you haven't accounted for the phenomena of experience.
If it's a logical interaction then the element/force is accessible by everything like logic is, it's universal.

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817298]

>>20817287
why do russians think they're original when they aren't? i've never noticed dunning krueger on a national level quite like this, except for maybe niggers with their we wuz kangz bullshit

it took you guys until the 1990s-2000s to realize things others realized between the 18th and 20th century, and really already back in ancient times?

herbs

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817304]

>>20817295
the epitome of philosophy is philosophically-guided mathematical science.

but that's Pythagoras. you surely wouldn't know this, STEMcel, but then again, why are you here on /lit/ and not /sci/?

herbing russubhuman thread

[Anonymous No.20817306]

>>20817298
You will never be Russian

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817311]

>>20817296
which is why i'm herbing this thread and telling you to move to the dennett thread. waste of time

[Anonymous No.20817312]

>>20817304
>the schizo is back

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817316]

>>20817306
it is quite the blessing, thank you

>20817312
since when are schizos ever rational and coherent and require no medication to thrive?

herbs

[Anonymous No.20817319]

>>20815495
1. I already thought of this
2. Adi Shankara already thought of this
3. It’s wrong. You think it’s right because you didn’t understand Kant well enough

[Anonymous No.20817320]

>>20817316
You will never be Russian

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817322]

>>20817320
repeated blessings are even better. thank you. keep doing this!

herbs

[Anonymous No.20817323]

>>20817319
explain why its wrong then

[Anonymous No.20817327]

>>20817322
You will never be Russian

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817328]

>>20817323
the subhuman russian has to start his own thread instead of going through the dennett thread and chipping in

russia is incel: the country
i wanted to say incel+dunning krueger but one implies the other already

herbs

[Anonymous No.20817331]

>>20817328
im not russian you retard, im bulgarian

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817340]

>>20817331
same subhuman thing (mental/cultural sphere)

my pneumatological analysis (pneumalysis) was close enough!

herbs

[Anonymous No.20817342]

>>20817323
Bacon said
>The syllogism consists of propositions, propositions of words, words are the signs of notions. If, therefore, the notions (which form the basis of the whole) be confused and carelessly abstracted from things, there is no solidity in the superstructure. Our only hope, then, is in genuine induction.

You think you know what consciousness is but you actually don’t because it is a notion. You assume you have perfect knowledge of it because you directly experience it but you directly experience many things that you don’t know what they are at all. If the data is inaccurate everything you can think about it will be wrong. Consciousness is experienced empirically therefore it can’t be the subject of metaphysics, and even if you say that Kant would say it is not experienced but in fact a condition of experience like space and time, the conditions of experience still can’t be proven to correspond to reality in itself, so you can’t say consciousness has anything to do with ding an sich.

[Anonymous No.20817357]

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[Anonymous No.20817362]

>>20817298
Enjoy the winter

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817368]

>>20817362
enjoy REPowerEU ;)
enjoy the non-fungibility of gas ;)
enjoy the Chinese collapse ;)

herbs

[Anonymous No.20817373]

>>20815495
TL;DR: There's no such thing as noumena. Freewill is causality.

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817382]

>>20817373
>TL;DR: There's no such thing as noumena.
holy based

[Anonymous No.20817392]

>>20817382
lmao if noumena doesn’t exist then you admit knowledge is impossible.

[Anonymous No.20817399]

>>20817392
If noumena exist, knowledge is impossible, only faith is possible then.

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817402]

>>20817392
Absolute Knowledge is a phenomenon in itself

This is the supreme revelation of Pneumatics. Pneumatics is a hyper-phenomenon which causes proper (pneumatic) transformation of material reality, and hence is an actual phenomenon.

herbs

[Anonymous No.20817405]

>>20817368
Enjoy the hot shower

[Anonymous No.20817414]

>>20817402
If noumena is in phenomena, then why can’t you deduce from your mere perception the physical details of the universe? Why can’t you deduce from mere perception why electromagnetism exists?

[Anonymous No.20817420]

>>20817399
Youre right, absolute knowledge is impossible either way

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817462]

>>20817414
>If noumena is in phenomena, then why can’t you deduce from your mere perception the physical details of the universe?
because I'm only 20. thankfully, you only need to wait.
>>20817405
i will, showers and toilets aren't luxury objects in the EU unlike in russia kekekeke

[Anonymous No.20817468]

>>20817462
>because I'm only 20. thankfully, you only need to wait.
Lmao kys

[Anonymous No.20817538]

>>20817462
if ud like, they still could wash you during humiliation "parade" like they did in 1944 zoo pow parade. but how showers are not happening

[Anonymous No.20817566]

>>20815512
But they wrote the best novels so

[A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI No.20817571]

>>20817566
only if you're in high school (the age when, if you're an incel/chud, you're also inspired by JBP) and/or a newfag

[Anonymous No.20817595]

>>20817571
I probably havent been someone this buckbroken by russians, since 1945. not even on /pol/

[Anonymous No.20817639]

>>20817262
he looked like a goblin

[Anonymous No.20817640]

>>20817295
Nigga, the book is completely retarded, it has nothing to do with mathematics nor is he a mathematician

[Anonymous No.20817654]

>>20817640
Godel escher bach?

[Anonymous No.20818115]

>>20817262
>he doesn't know
Anon Kant looked barely human, let alone hot.

[Anonymous No.20818123]

>>20818115
someone should dig up his skeleton to see what his skull really looks like

he could literally have the biggest brain in history

[Anonymous No.20818139]

>>20815512
>>20817462
>>20817571
LMAO dude who’s fresh out of his teenage years thinks he’s solved all the world’s problems, from the same series that brought you “water is wet” and “fire burns”
Also why are you so assblasted about Russians in every thread you post? Did a Russian guy fuck your girl at a party? You can hit up yours truly if you need another Russian guy to do it again, pussy

[Anonymous No.20818467]

>>20815512
No one cares what a retarded monoglot tripfaggot thinks.