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20808452 No.20808452 [Reply] [Original]

How do I go about explaining how I cracked the code of reality and ended philosophy?

Plato, Hegel and Heidegger can be all connected

>> No.20808460

Well give it a try and explain it to me

>> No.20808467

>Plato
based
>Hegel
cringe
>Heidegger
crased

>> No.20808474

>>20808452
Write a book.
Aim for an easy 17000 words, which is about as long as Wittgenstein's Tractatus. It's the minimum respectable length for a serious work of philosophy. (Academic philosophers who write 2000 word "academic papers" eternally BTFO.)

>> No.20808476

>>20808452
I you're so fucking smart then how come you're broke?

>> No.20808480

>>20808452
>Hegel
This is how I know you're a pseud.

>> No.20808502

>>20808452
Explain.

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20808545

>>20808476
Because I'm 20 years old. But I will get rich. It's not even an issue for me
>>20808480
Any other ideas?
>>20808460
Here is a very rough sketch of the outline of the doctrine, I posted it on /lit/ but thanks to slower posting I managed to post it all in good order on /x/ and it's preserved here:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32387321

I posted a second manifesto that is better at being a political manifesto than the former but is rhetorically further from the actual philosophical doctrine. Here:
>>/lit/thread/S20732229

now I'm sketching up the third text that connects the 1st with the 2nd and is the completion of the outline of the doctrine. the revised title of the 1st text (will also be the title of my book):
>The Analogy Delusion: How Supply Creates Demand, or How the Capital Destroys the Individual to Rule the World
the title of the 2nd text:
>A children's manifesto
the title of the 3rd text:
>Pneumatic Theory: the Metaphysical Imperative of a Faustian Humanity
the primer for the 3rd text is here:
>>/lit/thread/S20788764

more on the doctrine:
>it is a syncretic/integral theory that rejects irrationalism
>aside from pneumatism/pneumaticism/pneumatics, another working name is "new rationality." it is a rejection of new age, neopaganism, etc. the only pagans I respect are the Ancient Greeks, of whom Plato the foremost
>it connects Plato, Hegel and Heidegger
>it connects Western philosophy with Eastern philosophy
>features themes from gnosticism, neoplatonism, psychoanalysis and natural sciences
I will expand if interest is shown

inb4 reddit
reddit is bugman
i am not

>> No.20808579 [DELETED] 

bump

>> No.20808604

guess i
>filtered
/lit/

hegel tends to do that

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>>20808452

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>>20808655

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>>20808545
You are actually schizophrenic and you should seek help before you hurt yourself beyond repair.

>> No.20808742

>>20808452
you are too late (and wrong) since i already cracked philosophy and am getting ready to write my book (sneak peak, it is an existentialist a priori Kantian a posteriori phenomenological rationalist (in the spinozian sense) system)

>> No.20808858

>>20808742
sounds good. competing rhetorically, eristically is stupid. let's have a lil dialectic together instead
>>20808702
t. brainlet/jealous hylic/glowie

>> No.20808866

stating the obvious. you just like the prospect

>> No.20808877

>>20808655
>>20808658
yeah i know the bullshit mythology is why i reject gnosticism. also the general gnostic cosmogony is stupid.

in my system the Evil has materialized into one hyper-entity in the globalized, technologized late capitalism system: the Capital. Kaczynski calls it the techno-industrial complex/System. i think it's far too diffuse a term and "the Capital" better reflects the centralized nature of this abstract entity that both the Jews and WASPs (and all others) gravitate toward.

and here I connect with a pseudo-gnostic mythology. the Capital is the Demiurge. but the Demiurge didn't create the world. humans created the Demiurge.

the God is All. the God is Good-itself. Good-itself guides Existence itself (here I connect with Plato). in short, this is called the Monad. the Monad is there to worship it and practice its being through pneumatics, the Demiurge is there to fight it (pneumatically). the Monad is the Universe, the Everything, the Totality of all Existence. humans are thus, obviously, part of the Monad, but are currently unconsciously (or consciously...) worshiping the Demiurge (the Capital) instead. this is bringing Humanity itself to demise through a globally low reproduction rate

>> No.20808883

>>20808866
actually my original inspiration is fighting low birth rates around the world due to which our global society will undergo collapse and dark ages before rebirth. it's a valid inspiration. an existential one.

>> No.20808895

My influences:
>Plato
>Hegel
>Marx
>Heidegger
>Ellul
i stem from a liberal/free market origin

>> No.20808899

>>20808895
read kant. read berkeley. no matter how sure you feel that you have overcome phenomena-noumena gap, you haven't. trust me. i have been in your position thousands of times before, always to realize that i was wrong

>> No.20808913

>>20808899
i already have. you shall become enlightened:

kojin karatani. the parallax allegory

>> No.20808929

>>20808913
why do you call yourself "apneumatic"? doesn't that make you a psychic or, worse, a hylic?

>> No.20808931

>>20808913
dude, it's literally impossible to overcome solipsism and Berkeley, it doesn't matter how much you've read or think you've realized. The objective world literally doesn't exist, because existence only exists in your head. If you had actually understood Plato you would see that the only actual conclusion of apophatic theology is that the One does not exist either and therefore objective reality doesn't exist.

Even if you come up with a self-justifying proposition, it still doesn't overcome solipsism, even if you logically prove that God necessarily exists, it still doesn't overcome Kantianism, because the phenomena-noumena gap distributes over the whole class of propositions. It doesn't matter if you prove through a giant tautology that objective reality exists because the gap applies to tautology itself. It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to overcome. Any worldview that holds objective reality exists has to rely on faith and faith is dead.

>> No.20808935

>>20808452
>Plato, Hegel and Heidegger can be all connected
nobody has ever said this

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>>20808452
Sorry op but you're too late

>> No.20808955

>>20808944
Oh i remember these, these are so delightful

>> No.20808984

>>20808931
oh, i overcome solipsism by simply ignoring it as it's a dead-end philosophy that leads to real-world paralysis if actually implemented (solipsism, and sophism, is broken by the epistemology of Truth)

>> No.20808992

you're 50+ years too late, schizo literature/philosophy is passé

>> No.20808993

>>20808984
in other words you overcome it by making up a bunch of random unprovable bullshit

>> No.20808997

>>20808944
i'm not:
>For me, the highest learning was the fact that no theoretical model is an actual representation of the THING in itself.
i propose this to not be true. the book might reveal things i know in interesting ways. but ultimately, it's not complete and mine is

>> No.20809009

>>20808993
the system is scientific because it respects the 3 basic principles of science:
>theoretical falsifiability (theoretically falsifiable, by comparative analysis of history and later after enough time past)
>not empirically testable (the system provides precise political solutions)
>minimization of the observer's interference upon the studied object (the observer, or History)

>> No.20809014

>>20809009
doesn't matter if it's "scientific" or not if you can't prove it and your only reason for believing it is that not believing it leads to "real-world paralysis."

you are basically a pragmatist who thinks advaita is for some reason the most practical thing to believe. you don't care about truth.

>> No.20809015

>>20808993
also, another thing that destroys a solipsist is asking him if he can survive if his body temperature drops below 35 c for a long time

>> No.20809018

>>20808545
>A robust society is the ultimate goal of every human being.
have you ever even heard of antinatalism? your crucial axiom is fucking dogshit

>> No.20809093

>>20809018
antinatalism, misanthropy and other assorted pessimistic nihilisms are just a projection of self-hate which itself stems from a weak sense of Self

Pneumatology provides an objective system for categorization of humanity:

SPIRITUAL (basic)
1. hylics
2. gnostics (psychics and pneumatics)

PSYCHOLOGICAL (most important to least, of the most basic and important human composites)
hylic
1. Intellect (weak-strong composite of 3 different axes of intelligence, imagination, wisdom)
2. Mental strength (weak, strong)
3. Sense of Self (weak, strong)
4. Morality (good/evil)
5. Physical imperative (weak/strong: breeding)

Gnostics
1. Metaphysical imperative (weak/strong: breeding)
2. Positive underlying hylic (animal) psychology
3. Gnosis (spiritual Intellect)
4. Sense of Collective (spiritual Self)
5. Pneumatic activity (transformation of material reality)

Hylics are animals, Homo sapiens, who are capable of abstract thought
Gnostics are humans, Homo sapiens, who are capable of abstract thought

Pneumatic activity (transformation of material reality) is metaphysically carried out by the following actors:
*The Monad is Active
*The Demiurge is Active
*Gnostics can be active (they're called pneumatics, then)—because they're the active, perfecting blocks of the Monad itself
*Hylics cannot be active—they're slaves of the Demiurge

you are a hylic. you are a slave of the Demiurge. you are the anti-culture. a product of hitherto capitalism (doesn't have to be abolished, just morally and politically reformed, with cultural fascism as the main enemy).

You are subject to strictly hylic psychology therefore. You are most likely weak on 1. and most certainly either 2. or 3. or both at once. your 4. is thus impaired and your 5. is so weak it's at 0 or possibly -humanity.

>> No.20809157

>>20809093
that you conflate nihilism and pessimism in the first part of this is pretty telling about your true degree of experience handling concepts. your system of categories is flatly baseless, you're literally saying that by even enouncing the position you condemn yourself as somehow contaminated with "weakness." this isn't "dialectic," it's not even "eristic," it's just pretentious bullying.

you are a clown, an infantile clown, and would really do well to read a book

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>>20808545
>Because I'm 20 years old

Literally stopped reading there lmao, you can't even legally drink some places let alone teach anyone anything of worth. The fucking ego on zoomers

>> No.20809213

>>20809157
i don't conflate, i merely state the obvious: nihilism doesn't have to be pessimistic. nihilism isn't a strict doctrine

>> No.20809218

>>20809207
i am the only intellectual voice of this generation, which i refuse to call generation z because it's a term invented by some marketing agency, i.e. slaves of the Capital, i.e. the Demiurge

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>>20809218
Lmfao, you probably work part time at Starcucks and pay zero taxes, how about you go get a real job, start a business and a family and then MAYBE you can start pondering the world and economics.

You have a achieved nothing, therefore you have nothing to contribute philosophically. Just like Marx.

>> No.20809230

>>20808883
why is that desirable at all. romanticization causes the continuation of suffering. its just childish in the most evil way possible

>> No.20809232

>>20809226
i am literally in college you dumb fuck

>> No.20809233

>>20809213
you're a waste of my time, and the fact that interchangeable midwits like you think you're anything special is an actual tragedy of capitalism

>> No.20809236

>>20809230
there's no romanticization, i'm just not looking forward to a harsh social and economic crisis along with a long slumber of the demographic dark age that will follow

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>>20809232
HAHAHHAHAHA YOU PROVED MY POINT

>> No.20809243

>>20809233
i'm not special at all, hence the article in my trip

but i am the only one of my generation to put this effort in to think. in fact the last person to put in any effort to think was baudrillard, to a very lesser extent zizek and mark fisher (lol)

>> No.20809246

>>20809238
I am not for communism and I do not consider transgender people to exist, aside from the actually mentally ill ones who are deeply convinced they should have a gaping hole where they have a protuberance

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>>20809246
It's a meme you autistic fuck. You are a CHILD you haven't experienced life at all, you are still in school.

Seriously cringing at your delusion

>> No.20809266

>>20809262
then you're saying nothing besides pure angst of a wasted young adult life and other assorted irrationalities such as reactionism, the basal form of which you represent

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>>20809266
Dude why are you shit posting? Don't you have pop quizzes to study for?

>> No.20809298

>>20809276
t. extremely experienced and matured 23 year old virgin who's into "adulting"

>> No.20809308

>>20808452
Who cares fi they are all connected? You failed to mention Parmenides and the other Eleatics. Therefore I can confidently declare that you are wrong about metaphysics. It follows that everything else you have to say is ultimately incoherent gibberish.

The Path of Truth leads to Elea, anon.

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>>20809298
I hope you get an A on your next online quiz and get a summer job that pays more than 4 bucks an hour, boy

I look forward to never reading anything you write

>> No.20809389

>>20808545
>>>/lit/thread/S20732229
why identify the self with abstract thought? that makes no sense to me

>> No.20809399

>>20809389
I meant to cite the 4plebs link btw which is where I saw that idea being put forward

>> No.20809419

>>20809376
lol you're still here
>>20809389
Homo sapiens is "only" different from all other species because its brain possesses the abstract thinking module, which, as explained in one of these links (i hope), is a hyper-consciousness, whereas normal consciousness (as found in all other animals, who do not possess the full abstract thinking module of humanity) is defined as a hyper-algorithm, whereas an algorithm is defined as any way of organizing the distribution of matter (energy) so that emergent phenomena arise. human consciousness (the Self) is a hyper-consciousness therefore, or a hyper-hyper-algorithm.

life at its most basic is an algorithm but quasi-crystals, self-reproductive crystals and stars are algorithms too.

>> No.20809437

>>20809419
also, the algorithm of animate matter is different from the algorithm of inanimate matter in that the algorithm of inanimate matter is really just a pseudo-algorithm, as it cannot maintain itself, whereas the algorithm of all life can maintain itself and it's a binary algorithm whose task is to differentiate between T and F statements. in the human hyper-hyper-algorithm the binary algorithm is taken to differentiate between the Truth and falsity (absence of Truth). this is internalized subconsciously on the deepest most primate level. this is epistemology at its most basic: what is True to human perception is what enhances the survival of the observer and of its kin and offspring, in short, a true statement to any algorithm is such that enables the survival of it, its kin and its offspring. it's a self-perfecting and self-duplicating algorithm (akin to a computer virus), which self-perfects in an emergent manner dialectically, under the pressure of certain stimuli, eventually perfectly synchronizing with surroundings. welcome to evolution

>> No.20809474

>>20809437
Do you think that your self is aware of thoughts, or do you think that something that is not your self is aware of thoughts?

>> No.20809476

also after i first dabbled in philosophy at 17 (after reading Nietzsche at 16) i was embarrassing
>>/lit/thread/S15358569
>>/lit/thread/S15365005

looking back, a few core ideas remained, got reformulated, refined

>> No.20809483

>>20809474
there is no dualism. as the title of the debut implies, Analogy (and by extension, dualism/pluralism) is a delusion of the Self and essentially a form of fragmented Self that fragmented after trying to unpack reality for itself first after bursting into it at around the age of 3. i take after psychoanalysis, Heidegger and kinda even Sartre here

>> No.20809530

>>20809483
>there is no dualism.
no offense but that's not directly related to my question and that also doesn't answer it

>> No.20809564

>>20809530
it is both directly related and answers your question. the objective Truth lies in monism. dualism (and pluralism) is an illusion, a delusion of the weak, initial Self (Dasein), later either completely rejected by an enlightened adult mind, or reified

everything is only one—energy, or matter (mass and energy are equivalent—Einstein). everything that "exists" is just a distribution of energy. human consciousness is just an intricate distribution of energy. there is only one distribution/structure of energy, there are no 2 different actual structures. you are your Self.

>> No.20809568

>>20808452
You tell me oh omniscient one

>> No.20809602

>>20809564
>you are your Self.
I understand that but I asked you what is aware of thoughts, if the Self is aware of them but the Self is comprised of abstract thought as you say then how could you possibly watch a thought happen and then witness it being replaced by another? That would involve something watching itself cease to be so and then witnessing the absence of itself and this looks like a contradiction, suggesting that the Self isn't comprised of thoughts but rather stands above them as their observer

>> No.20809709

>>20809602
awareness itself is the hyper-consciousness i'm talking about. awareness and abstract thought are one and the same. awareness follows abstract thought, not the other way round.

>> No.20809755

>>20809709
>awareness and abstract thought are one and the same
then how does awareness persist when thoughts change?

>> No.20809757

>>20809755
i think you should read about the concept of abstract thinking in the context of historical, evolutionary and cultural anthropology more

>> No.20809833

>>20809419
>lol you're still here

Lol you're still a child

>> No.20809836

>>20809757
>i think you should read about the concept of abstract thinking in the context of historical, evolutionary and cultural anthropology more
that's kinda dodging the question desu Im not talking about the development of one idea or narrative from another over days or weeks etc I talking about how does one observe the self-evident change in thoughts that take place happening from moment to moment, right now? I remain when one thought is replace by another and this never changes

>> No.20809838

>>20809833
there's some latent sexual tension in you when you say these words. it's a pity you aren't female. if you are female, feel free to PM me. we can hash it out

>> No.20809856

>>20809836
you don't have a more constant sense of Self? your specific anxieties are answered by Heidegger. if you want the integral, pneumatological explanation, "you" both don't actually exist, and do. your "Self" is just a story that connects together your own attempts to connect different experiences from your life that are scattered across different points in your life. the only thing i'm saying is, there is a way to make sense of this. we can acknowledge two things:
>we are the thing that make our bodies do something rather than nothing
>it would be in our best interest to make most of this something rather than reduce ourselves to nothing
and indeed this is the Metaphysical Imperative of a Faustian Humanity. taking after Spengler, Western culture, which is Faustian, metaphysically summed up as "ever-expanding into the void" has become the Global(tm) culture since WW1 and its aftermath. so right now it would be most accurate to posit entire Humanity as a Faustian enterprise, whose ultimate goal is the expansion into the void and the romantic and futile struggle against entropy. it's not all doom and gloom. in fact pneumaticism is the most mindful, objective, rational and life-affirming, positive and romantic philosophy of them all. well, it's as romantic as the concepts of reincarnation/samsara cycle and moksha are, when interpreted as philosophical allegories (i.e., through the "Western" philosophical lens) and not wholly religiously packaged concepts. with this understanding, and the understanding of a real, science-based cosmogony and far future and ultimate fate of the universe, we can deduce that the Metaphysical Imperative of a Faustian Humanity is the maintaining of the Flame of Intelligent Life well past the death of stars, with our knowledge of fusion and incredibly intricate logistical chains in the future, we could build artificial stars. eventually only black holes will remain and our harvesting of energy from high-energy plasma jets ejecting from accretion disks around black holes. humanity will then, and only then, disintegrate, as the last oasis of structured Information in the universe (as black holes can only destroy information, not store it). and this will be the ultimate moksha. not of one individual, but the entire Human project

>> No.20809873

>>20809838
Why would I talk to someone who is 20? You know nothing of the world

>> No.20809874

>>20809856
tldr: the ultimate ending of Humanity is well into the degenerate age, in the form of self-sacrifice in the black hole tumbler. the ultimate moksha machine and Humanity's completion of Will to Power

>> No.20809878

>>20809873
argumentum ad hominem

not an argument

>> No.20809883

>>20808545
oh yeah you're the atheist who keep saying evolution is true lol

>> No.20809887

>>20809856
>talking about science
>never done any science his in life

cringe

>> No.20809888

>>20809883
i'm pantheist

>> No.20809893

>>20809887
there's very little useful science that can be done by the vast majority of mortals in the 21st century. excluding the extreme, we can only study it

>> No.20810082

>>20809878
Isn't it your bed time little buddy? Don't want to be tired during your commie proffessors lecture tomorrow

>> No.20810122

>>20809476
You did not refute all of philosophy in 3 years, you fucking narcissistic dumbass.

>> No.20810193

>>20808545
This is not philosophy

>> No.20810550

>>20810193
exactly

>> No.20810576

>>20808452
alright, whats the thing-in-itself then?

>> No.20810597

>>20808452
I gotta admire ur bait abilities. Thinking that the endgame of philosophy is explainable in words, now that is humorous

>> No.20810616

>>20808452
Philosophy cannot truly be communicated to another in words, and therefore is only ever interior and internal, and ultimately solipsistic, whether you think it is or not. So basically, you're wrong

>> No.20810671

>>20808452
>I cracked the code
Tell you didn't Understand Plato without telling me you didn't understand Plato

>> No.20810726

>>20809236
low birthrates will cause the opposite. and none of it is worth our continuation.

>> No.20810939

>>20808452
>cracked the code of reality and ended philosophy
Explain the Trinity and the miracles of Christ

>> No.20810956

>>20808545
this kid is being serious, fucking kek

>> No.20810976

An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity.

>> No.20811006

>>20808993
This is a pretty standard philosophical line of inquiry. He's not trying to solve solipsism and neither are most philosophers at this point.

>> No.20811049

I see that you are namefagging all over the board now OP, so it's actually already over for you.

>> No.20811066

>>20808545
Hello fren, I've been monitoring you and your thread. I am like minded and I can see the thought patterns that have been echoing in my head have also been banging around in yours. It's very nice to see but I am also a bit older and have a small piece of optional advise for you and me. Do not try to fix the world on your own merit. You have correctly identified your self but you don't see the full implications. Become less than the dirt on the floor, fren.

>> No.20811101

>>20810122
This.
Also not /lit/.

>> No.20811174

>>20811066
>Do not try to fix the world on your own merit.
my plan is very practical. i'm not planning to be a great man. just a roundworm ploughing the earth, possibly getting somewhere
>>20811006
i already posited two essential problems with solipsism. i thought the dude who thought about phenomena and noumena a thousand times would respond to the parallax allegory but i guess he gave up
>>20810616
well, it was a bit of bait, technically i have not explained everything there is to explain, but the system i posit is all-encompassing, scientific, and expandable. it's just a matter of time now
>>20810193
the system has answers ranging from ontology, epistemology, cosmogony, theism through metaphysics, phenomenology, historiosophy to aesthetics, and thus features cultural critiques and political prescriptions. any specific problem?

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>>20808452
Is this you anon?

>> No.20811296

>>20811239
i would have to start writing at 8 to be this guy.

anyway, that guy looks retarded. if he truly knew stuff he'd know how to go about it, as i do

>> No.20811302

>>20808545
How are you going to get rich when you spend every waking moment shitposting about entry-level philosophical insights on 4chan?

>> No.20811331

>>20811302
summer break. and hardly entry-level if no one thought about it as holistically as i do before. i wish there was some actual critique instead of ad homs and zany zingers. i want to establish a dialectic but it's hard with you guys

>> No.20811356

>>20811331
I only talk sincerely with anon.

>> No.20811360

>>20811356
fine. i use the trip as copyright anyway.

>> No.20811412

>>20811360
Lmao dude, really? You're a namefag either way man.

>> No.20811568

>>20811412
you need to stay vigilant and protective

>> No.20811603

Can't tell if this retard is serious with this crash-course philosophy and just is too dumb or schizo to realize his own idiocy or if it's all an overly convoluted shitpost. Either way I hope he saves some of this stuff for when he's an adult so he can look back in embarrassment.

>> No.20811872

>>20811603
again, not an argument

>> No.20812038

>>20811872
Why are you dodging anyone who mentions the eleatics?

>> No.20812158

>>20812038
where?

>> No.20812188

>>20808452
Ok themboomer

>> No.20812292

>>20812158
>>20809308 here
And in your thread on /his/

>> No.20812325

>>20812292
i consider pre-socratics to be subservient to plato, and also, everything can be either connected or proven wrong

>> No.20812456

>>20812325
Plato is a great deceiver who couldn't handle the supreme truth of Eleatic philosophy. Aristotle is a seething dandy who couldn't handle that Melissus killed Aristotelean metaphysics before it was even put down in writing.

>> No.20812490

>>20811239
>1800 page book
I did all of that in a single article
https://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

>> No.20812639

>>20811872
we're not arguing with you. we're mocking you. let us know when you post something worthy of an argument.

>> No.20812708

>>20808545
Get help, you're manic

>> No.20812727

>>20812490
>LotR is real history that happened
kek. well memed friend

>> No.20812794

>>20808452
I havent read Heidegger yet but everyone who read Plato and Hegel already know they are connected.

>> No.20812827

>>20808931
>>20808993
Who the fuck cares about solipsism? Jump from a cliff then. That will be your proof. No one takes solipsism seriously. Only fools and contrarians. The latter is also the former.

>> No.20812851

>>20812456
Hideously based.

>> No.20812870

>>20809856
>How do I go about explaining how I cracked the code of reality and ended philosophy?
I would start by avoiding answering questions with things like "your anxieties are answered by x." if you are claiming to have put this thought together you should be able to clarify your position satisfactorily without deflecting to another persons work. Its a bad rhetorical move that makes it seem like you actually have no idea what you are talking about past buzzword wankery.

>> No.20812893

>>20811296
posting it on anonymous message boards is the right way to go about it? now I know you're retarded.

>> No.20812897

>>20811302
imagine thinking getting rich is any kind of end to strive for.

>> No.20812920

>>20808545
Are you schizophrenic by chance.

>> No.20812932

>>20812897
it's definitely an end to strive for, in the sense that it gives you more agency.
>if you're so smart, then why aren't you rich?
is a valid answer if you're not at least happy and fulfilled.

>> No.20813001

>>20812932
does it give you more agency? you might have more access to resources but that only goes as far as your will lines up with that of the rest of the world. if you step out of lime the powers that be can always just fucking kill you. it seems like a week measure of success to me, especially when measuring ones character or intelligence. the answer "because I dont strive to be monetarily rich" seems like a perfectly valid answer that most people dont take seriously.

>> No.20813018

>>20812932
>>20813001
I would also add that the acceptable methods of obtaining and maintaining monetary wealth seem to me to be agency restrictive to the point that the gain is negated by perceived responsibility (which brings me back to the point that, if you dont fulfill these responsibilities the powers that be can take away what agency you still hold on to).

>> No.20813029

>>20808604
So does tripfagging, little schizo

>> No.20813076

>>20808452

Yeah lol, Heidegger would agree

>> No.20813133

>>20809888
Tell me youre jewish without telling me youre jewish

>> No.20813236

Zoomer messianism is a psyop. Keep living and reading

>> No.20813542

>>20808452
>Plato, Hegel and Heidegger can be all connected
Of course they are it's called History ffs

>> No.20813602

>>20808604
A huge number of assertions with little substantiation. Thoroughly entertaining, but of little effect.

>> No.20814125

>>20808931
Based. "Whoa I saw something that was totally real and concrete bro. It probably exists without me perceiving it or something lol." What a shame that religiontards and philosocucks wasted their lives away studying something that was literally fake.

>> No.20815437

>>20813602
>with little substantiation.
logical deduction through dialectic
>but of little effect.
it's just the beginning
>>20813542
lol
>>20814125
why no response to:
>>20808913
>>20809015
>>20808984
?

>> No.20816160

opinion on Schopenhauer, O, you wisest out of all of us?

>> No.20816641

>>20816160
based for his time but, practically, just a burp after Hegel. but he is useful as a stepping stone. in this regard he's like Kant for Hegel

>> No.20816810

It's funny you say solipsism is a dead-end while falling into the trap of a more elaborate dead-end. A "correct philosophy" or worldview is a matter of taste, which is a matter of nature, just acknowledge your god(s) and stop wasting everyone's time. If humans had proper communities this wouldn't be an issue.

>> No.20816855

>>20816810
based. system-building is for tists. schelling was right

>> No.20816888

>>20815437
i did respond to your bullshit retard

read kant

>> No.20816906

>>20816641
wow you really are illiterate

please stop posting on this board. stop pretending to have read what you clearly haven't.

>> No.20816927

>>20816810
>A "correct philosophy" or worldview is a matter of taste
self-refuting pseud take

>> No.20816935

>>20816927
>muh systems
Start with Laruelle, since Nietzsche makes you niggers mald this time of year. It is embarrassing how far this board has fallen

>> No.20816951

I admire the effort but in the end your operation is pointless and deep down you know it will bear no fruit. You can build the most elaborate and complete thought-architecture mankind has ever produce but you will not tear down the fabric of space-time. You will not reinvent the wheel, you will not find the words to explain the One truth and you will not transcend. You can read every single book ever written thousands of time throughout hundreds of lifetimes and think every thought several times over without ever arriving anywhere. You could produce the most original, intriguing and thought-provoking system ever designed by man and that would not change a thing. Stop trying to understand when there is nothing to understand. Stop going in circles when you are but a point. It is time for you to rest now.

>> No.20816994

>>20816927
I am sorry your most important cope has been shattered. A very big amount, if not the majority of people who flock to philosophy, especially in the modern age, are self-perceived failures in other aspects of life, so your ilk copes about it by trying to solve the universe and in your mind reaching some convincing conclusion, although this conclusion you cannot use for your benefit in any way. Ironically, this conclusion was a matter of taste as well, or gut feeling and intuition if you want to sound less feminine and more alpha. All non-obvious philosophic assertions and claims boil down to gut feeling and intuition, which somewhat differs for all of us.

>bro you have to read this academicuck's book to understand what I am talking about

Everyone who has said such things to me irl has had a terrible physiognomy. Your kind reeks of some desperate need to compensate for a history of being bullied by a newly found sense of superiority that you don't get punished for enough because adults are more self-restrained and afraid of legal consequences.

>> No.20817526

>>20808452
Dear TRIPFAG anon, as it is customary to address your declaration with a dash of spite;
You're close to being a thief. Have you heard of Horea Belcea? There's also the ~437IQ guy, who is just some mexican kid. There was ANOTHER mexican /sci/ styled guy who thought he figured it all out.
This exact thing has been tried before. I'm tired of all these philosophers pretending they are mere and simple truth seekers when they are in fact, thought pirates desirous of riches, notoriety, and fame.
Don't you see that if you're Right then Plato was right first and already, and that you didn't need to 'refine' him, and that no one is going to choose to read some anon over Plato, and if you see this and agree by trying to market yourself, then you essentially admit that you are indeed just in it to win it. And if that's the case, then I don't even need to make an argument to say: make your system more interesting, or work with other people if you want to make a political movement, instead of being an obnoxious tripfag trying to take everything for himself. Because, here's the problem - I agree with you. How could that ever be a problem? That's exactly the problem. Imagine how different history could've been if, say, there wasn't as much internal squabbling within the NAZI party.
>History as it is, is called because it is the insisted collective pronoun of Histrionic individuals.
That's why this forum is ANONYMOUS. tripcodes only cheapen the implicit willingness of any anon to engage with literally anything, shit or gold. Best of luck.

>> No.20817541

The Capital utilizes 4 active measures, 2 of which are there to defuse, and 2 of which are there to construct

DEFUSIVE
1. Discreditation ("'the Capital' is an antisemitic dogwhistle!")
2. Appropriation (the philosophical chimera that is the modern sophism i.e. the irrational anti-philosophy/secular religion of the Capital)
CONSTRUCTIVE
1. Infantilization: Kierkegaardian leveling as a method of profit maximization. Hence the appeals to the feminine, the minor, and in general: the formerly-disenfranchised (because it is upon these that the Capital can truly efficiently construct, as their actual identity is non-existent post-emancipation as their previous pre-emancipatory identities got deconstructed and replaced by nothing in particular, this void has been exploited by the Capital which since then has sought to foster all kinds of dualisms and pluralisms [atomisms])
2. Pseudo-individualization: hedonism and "egoism"

>> No.20817557

>>20816888
>read kant
noumena don't actually exist, only phenomena do

Knowledge (or in the classical sense "absolute knowledge") is a phenomenon in itself

This is the supreme revelation of Pneumatics. Pneumatics is a hyper-phenomenon which causes proper (pneumatic) transformation of material reality, and hence is an actual phenomenon.

>> No.20817603

>>20817541
Yes. These mechanisms have been precisely identified decades ago and have been merged together in an extremely effective fashion. You have recognized their synthesis into the current system and now you seem to want to construct an exquisitely effective syncretic mechanism through which dismantling the Capital becomes achievable. Constructing a grand scheme uniting Plato Hegel and Heidegger is not going to either shake the foundations of the Matrix or appeal to the common man to wake him up to this reality so to speak. So what do you actually propose besides shoving an artificially elaborate word-temple down our throats? Do you have actual armor-piercing arrows in your quiver that would corrode the shell of our torturer? What is your end goal and how will you achieve it? I want to see through the fog you disperse and actually get to the core of your volition.

>> No.20817706

>>20817603
>Yes. These mechanisms have been precisely identified decades ago and have been merged together in an extremely effective fashion. You have recognized their synthesis
dumb retard. i recognized The Synthesis during an epiphany i had a short few months back. i know all the criticism is old

what is new about me is the prescription.
>what is it?
read this thread, including the links at the top. actually be humble, thoughtful, aware and listening

>> No.20817718

>>20817603
also, the mechanisms, while they were identified, were not ascribed to the proper origin. we got the closest to that with the Society of Spectacle, then Baudrillard, Nick Land and the Matrix (1999), but not one of them actually got it right:

it's the Capital. it is unified and central. this is what Marxists don't realize. both the bourgeoisie and the proletariat are slaves to one and the same evil. it's what boggled Marx when he saw English factory workers comfortably drink tea with their owners

>> No.20817727

Dude if you claim to simultaneously reject gnosticism and are influenced by Marx and Heidegger then you have a long, long way to go bud. Keep reading, because you are an hypocrite.

>> No.20817728

>>20817718
i forgot to mention Ted Kaczynski but imo he's the same kind of retard as Nick Land, Zizek and JBP. at least he was pneumatically active (extremely sophisticated terrorism and spread of ideas), which makes him a pneumatic and a based person, but still, from a philosophical standpoint... he's almost there but not really

>> No.20817734

>>20817727
i'm influenced by everything valuable and reject everything valuable. not sure if that makes sense. it's how a True Hegelian Synthesis would work for posterity tho

>> No.20817753

>>20817706
Pretty hylic of you to be this insulting. I only come with the best of intentions. If your approach is sincere then its end goal should be clearly defined from the get-go and I'm only here to make sure of that. For clarity. I only wish for your enterprise to succeed for we share a common enemy.

I am actually in the process of reading your output right now. I'm ready to give you the benefit of the doubt but it's hard to find honest people in this day and age, especially within this website where many schizos and lost souls dwell. Also I tend to be weary of words and rehashed ideas when direct action goes a long way. I'm just trying to figure out what your endgame truly is. If you're not a narcissist maniac then I'm on board.

>> No.20817767

>>20817734
Where does value come from?

>> No.20817768

>>20817753
>Pretty hylic of you to be this insulting. I only come with the best of intentions.
Zen is easy to teach but hard to master. I am gnostic in theory but still pretty hylic in practice indeed. But I'm only 20 and have a ways to go with this Knowledge. When I get older, and swarmed with experience, I will learn proper Zen. I think.

anyways. you started out with reductionism ("babby's first-"type insult). i was merely responding to that
>If your approach is sincere then its end goal should be clearly defined from the get-go and I'm only here to make sure of that.
as i said, if you only took the time to read what i've written, you would be illuminated on this matter.

your specific query is answered here:
>>20808545
in this link:
>>/lit/thread/S20732229

it's a short read. enjoy

>> No.20817777

>>20817718
>>20817728
Ok you got me there, I actually agree 100%. In retrospect it's all so fucking obvious which makes it all the more tiresome to talk and write about but the truth has been laid bare for all too long for anyone to beat the bush and not do anything about it. Which is why I'm growing more impatient by the day now that civilization is breaking at the seams at record speed. Sorry for the harsh approach but I'll actually go and engage with your material now for you seem sincere. Maybe there's something valuable to be found in this whole endeavor after all

>> No.20817789

>>20817777
blessed quads

i see you're quite initiated. let's have a little chat:
Lancelot#9582

>> No.20817790

>>20817557
then reality is subjective and you dont have objective knowledge

>> No.20817801

>>20808883
>i cracked all philosophy and the meaning of life
>fixing low birth rates

>> No.20817805

>>20817790
reality is objective and it is because it is objective that it can be quantified i.e. represented as a code/language/mathematical expression (the pythagorean "all is number")

individual humans are limited observers but individual limited perception can be bypassed through application of pneumatological analysis/pneumatolysis (the parallax method) and sufficient scale (big data comes into play, but only if not in the hands of the Capital)

>> No.20817812

>>20817801
fixing low birth rates isn't my original inspiration per se, the inspiration is quite romantic rather, i basically don't wish to experience the Collapse and the following Dark Age and the general withering away of Humanity

do you?

>> No.20817815

>>20817812
>do you?
yes

>> No.20817825

>>20812456
>>20812851

The Post-Socratics were a mistake.

>> No.20817832

>>20817815
because you're a dumb reactionist incel.

the Collapse and the Dark Age (i call it the Cataclysm, for short) will not be fun at all. it will last decades at the shortest, it's already beginning. it will not be WW3, it will not be nukes, it will not be over in a matter of minutes/hours, we're NOT "accelerating" toward ANYTHING, we're slowly rotting away into nothingness

do you want THAT?
https://youtu.be/XVekJTmtwqM

>> No.20817835

>>20817832
what the fuck is your incoherent ideology worth? if you need an ideology to change reality, then your ideology isn't naturally reflected in reality and is therefore delusional. what you want to happen can't change shit, because reality doesn't care about all the crap you make up inside your head

>> No.20817842

>>20817835
>if you need an ideology to change reality, then your ideology isn't naturally reflected in reality and is therefore delusional.
all ideologies are merely practical applications of forms/pure ideas. some are better, some are worse. all are bad. mine is good. the current one isn't as bad as the one of the USSR/CCP, but it does discourage procreation, enabling demographic collapse with all its metaphysical implications in the long-term

is this simplified enough for your hylic brain?

>> No.20817855

>>20817842
you dont even understand the basic global demographics of the world lmao

>> No.20817862

>>20817835
>because reality doesn't care about all the crap you make up inside your head
indeed, which is why i'm short-term pessimistic. the Cataclysm will most likely occur. but as I point out in the Historiosophy (which I will post shortly), and as fucking Jurassic Park points out:
>life, uh, finds a way
(it's the simplest summary of Hegel one could think of, of course it took a Jew to realize this!)
or more concisely, a bright Hegelian/Faustian/Pneumatic future

>> No.20817869

>>20817855
globally below 2.1 by 2050 if not earlier (birth rate decrease isn't linear, it's accelerating as the Capital tightens its grip upon the world)

>> No.20817878

*Abstract thought begins (behavioral modernity)
>100,000-25,000 BC: Middle- to Upper Paleolithic (Toba explosion, Neanderthal competition)
*Sedentary lifestyle begins (not for the ancestors of the West i.e. the proto-Indo-Europeans and their ancestors, who in this timeframe are WHGs, ANEs on one side and CHGs on the other)
>25,000-12,000 BC: Upper Paleolithic, Mesolithic (resource-rich ecosystem overlap)
------------------
*Agriculture begins (not for the proto-Indo-Europeans and their ancestors)
>12,000-7000 BC: Early Neolithic (Younger Dryas)
*Proto-civilization begins (proto-cities)
>7000-3500 BC: Late Neolithic (Jericho)
*Civilization begins (origins of Western civilization)
>3500-1300 BC: Bronze Age (Mesopothamia, Egypt, Bronze Age cultures)
>1300-700 BC: Bronze Age collapse, transitional period, Phoenicians (proto-Jews) influence the Greeks, basileus rule turns into oligarchy
---------------
*Western civilization begins
>700s BC: Olympic tradition starts, Roman Kingdom gets founded, "Homer" and Hesiod synthesize Greek mythology
>700-500 BC: oligarchy is replaced by fragile tyrannic rule
>509-44 BC: the beginning of democracy and Greek domination (Solonian Constitution)
>44 BC-AD 250: Roman domination (Crisis, Caesar, Actium)
>250-500: barbaric revolution (fall of Graeco-Roman culture)
>500-800: the Dark Ages and Roman Catholic domination (fall of Rome and of Justinian)
>800-1789: "feudalism" and European aristocracy (Holy Roman Empire)
---------------------
*Western civilization spreads...
>1789-1918: proto-modernism/enlightened European aristocracy (French Revolution)
---------------------
*Western civilization becomes global
*Global civilization begins
>1918-1939: modernism (WW1)
>1945-1991: post-modernism (WW2)
>1991-2022: meta-modernism (Fall of Communism + Gulf War)
>2022-2045: neo-modernism/sophistic modernism/"globalism" (COVID + War in Ukraine)
>2045-2100(?): the Dark Age (demographic crisis)
>2100(?)-2200: pneumatic modernism/enlightened globalism (new baby boom)
-----------------------
*Global civilization becomes interstellar
*Interstellar civilization begins
>2200-3000: cosmism (interstellar colonization)
>AD 3000+: galactism (entire Milky Way populated by Humanity)
>Far future: Humanity harvests high-energy plasma jets from accretion disks of black holes of Degenerate Era universe
>Ultimate fate: reintegration into everything with the conscious self-sacrifice into the black holes of Degenerate Age universe while asleep (but not dead)—the ultimate moksha of Humanity, reintegration into the Everything
the conclusion to which will be the
>dissipation of black holes and the heat death of the Universe
>and/or the Big Rip

>> No.20817880

>>20817862
if any organism in the universe evolves past the great filter it won't be humans and they won't use your retarded world view that gets debunked in the second lecture of every intro philosophy course
>>20817869
>he forgot that africa exists

>> No.20817882

>>20817880
>he doesn't know what global means
>he's a dumb reactionary /pol/tard and/or incel

>> No.20817886

>>20817882
the only reason you would think birth rate would be below 2.1 globally by 2050 is if you forgot africa existed

is that simplified enough for your hylic brain?

>> No.20817888

>>20817886
just use fucking google you dumb hylic, i'm not gonna do your legwork

>> No.20817891

>>20817888
seethe. it's probably too late for you to grow out of this.

>> No.20817896

>>20817891
the opposite: it's probably too late for you to grow out of being a dumb reactionary

>> No.20817899

>>20817896
kek marxism and hegelianism really do target the same demographic of schizoautists

>> No.20817900

>>20817832
>>20817842
>>20817862
>>20817878
I don't really understand what you're trying to achieve here or what you are worrying about. Yes, the Capital is tightening its grip upon the world because it senses that collapse is looming. Collapse will happen whether you like it or not. Your ideology will not change anything about it. The fate of the world is unescapable because we live in a superdeterministic universe. Trying to predict the future or engage in elaborate metaphysical worldbuilding will not lead you anywhere. So what is it all worth? Why are you spending so much energy battling against the void? You should just practice meditative acceptance instead of the autistic philosophical swordplay you are currently engaging in. I say this for your own mental sake. This is not healthy.

>> No.20817961

>>20817900
>Collapse will happen whether you like it or not. Your ideology will not change anything about it.
Depends on its spread. I'm only 20. The 2020s are only beginning. Watch me.
>The fate of the world is unescapable because we live in a superdeterministic universe.
That is the motto of the Last Man, and not of the Great Man. Life is a struggle. Will you pick it up or wither away?

>> No.20817978

>>20817805
How can you both claim to be a Hegelian and say that reality is objective? Are you a dualist or a monist? Which one is it, is there an objective reality, or is it all in your head? Hegel essentially shears both objectivity and being out of the equation with his ideology, which is why Schopenhauer rightly called him a hypocrite and retard, because Hegel took his phenomenology too far. Even Plato acknowledged that the world can’t be pure eidos, there must be an objective transcendental, separate from the frame of being & experience. Kant comes along and critiques our ability to reason with the transcendental, that the closest we can ever get is the eidos, the forms and characteristics of being. Schopenhauer correctly resets the frame of reference back to will to live, which is not the same as experiencing characteristics of being. Now, I don’t think Hegel deserves as much blame as he gets, because I think he uncovered a fundamental truth which is still a mystery to many, but he does it by accident. He proves a fundamental and separate ontology from both transcendental truth and the will to live. Perhaps being is a trichotomy between the three ontologies: the will to live, the transcendental objective, and the subjective characteristics we experience.

>> No.20817984

There are only 2 questions left unanswered by the Doctrine:
>is the Cataclysm completely avoidable?
>if not, can its duration be reduced?
these are the goals of Pneumaticism

>> No.20817992

>>20817978
>Now, I don’t think Hegel deserves as much blame as he gets, because I think he uncovered a fundamental truth which is still a mystery to many, but he does it by accident.
welcome to the history of philosophy

>> No.20817998

And to answer your question strictly, I'm a neutrally-monistic panpsychist. I'm irreligious and subjectively subscribe to pantheism, or "worship" of the Monad.

>> No.20818012

>>20816994
I guarantee you that I'm more beautiful, intelligent, and successful than you, and it's not even close. I attribute it to my natural disposition to believe in an architectonic, harmonic cosmic order.

>> No.20818018 [DELETED] 

>>20818012
holy based. you actually destroyed that other pseud

i hate sophisticated hylics so much

>> No.20818022

>>20817978
Maybe there is nothing to distinguish between these three ontologies, and that they all come together within the Monad that OP "worships". Is that the correct way of seeing things or is there a subtlety that eludes me? I'd like to think that philosophy tends to ascribe too much complexity to the separation between these ontologies, rather than try to bring them together under the same banner. One can separate reality between material, ideal and spiritual realms while at the same time recognizing that they arise from the same all-encompassing phenomenon, that is to say "reality". Does it have to be more complex than that?

>> No.20818023

>>20818012
>>20818018
OP just because you turn off your trip doesn't mean we don't know it's you

>> No.20818024

>>20818012
holy based
you actually destroyed dat other pseud

i hate sophisticated hylics so much

>> No.20818031

>>20818023
it was by accident, i turned it off for another board, the architectonic, harmonic cosmic order anon isn't me though and i wouldn't use such words (the word architectonic implies some non-human yet centralized "architect")

>> No.20818063

>>20818031
Well there is one or there are many architects behind all this to be certain. Carefully tuned physical constants like e or pi are smoking guns that intelligent design is behind this universe. Just another turn of the wheel if you like, this time more sophisticated and well put-together than the previous iteration. In truth we should be grateful to exist within such an exquisitely perfect creation.

>> No.20818070

>>20818022
It does, because nouns, verbs, and adjectives exist. You can form sentences with just nouns and verbs, but you can’t escape the characteristics and aesthetics of the thought by omitting the adjectives, they are still there, just invisible. This is what Hegel’s Spirit/Ghost is. Also, the ideal and the Spiritual are one and the same. The triad would be the material, the spiritual, and the transcendental.

Also just thought I’d post this:

>Schopenhauer reserved his most unqualified damning condemnation for Hegel, whom he considered less worthy than Fichte or Schelling. Whereas Fichte was merely a windbag (Windbeutel), Hegel was a "commonplace, inane, loathsome, repulsive, and ignorant charlatan." The philosophers Karl Popper and Mario Bunge agreed with this distinction. Hegel, Schopenhauer wrote in the preface to his Two Fundamental Problems of Ethics, not only "performed no service to philosophy, but he has had a detrimental influence on philosophy, and thereby on German literature in general, really a downright stupefying, or we could even say a pestilential influence, which it is therefore the duty of everyone capable of thinking for himself and judging for himself to counteract in the most express terms at every opportunity."

>> No.20818100

>>20818070
yeah but what if everything is just atoms and their endless reconfigurations

>> No.20818105

>>20818023
Not him.

>> No.20818106

>>20818100
then the atoms, their configurations, and the properties of the atoms that allow them to configure all exist also

the true question is what if reality isn't like anything we can imagine or describe

>> No.20818118

>>20818100
Show me the atoms that make up the number 8. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

>> No.20818145

>>20818106
Guess we'll never know then.

>>20818118
The specific configuration of the atoms in your brain at a given moment produces the thought of the number 8. It is fanciful to think that the idea of the number 8 exists outside of your capacity to imagine it, and your imagination can be reduced to atoms. I guess. I'm not a materialist myself, I'm just trying to reduce everything to atoms in an attempt to actually refute such a view if you know what I mean. What is the way to prove ideas exist outside of the material world?

>> No.20818147

>>20818106
Kant has already proven this is fundamentally true. Physics after Kant is mostly just cope because the truth makes them feel blind.

>> No.20818157

>>20818147
I want to believe this myself. But atomism and materialism makes its way into my psyche like a worm. Why is the human brain like this? Why is the phenomena-noumena gap such a nightmarish aspect of metaphysics lurking behind every corner? At the same time materialism just pushes the problem further into the abyss of unknowability. It's all so tiresome.

>> No.20818168

You see guys? One needs just to spread the seed of Truth for the Truth to materialize.

I did not even need to indoctrinate you all one by one. Just plant the seed, lay the Truth bare, and all the implications follow organically, through objective logical deduction.
That is my answer to:
>>20817900
This is the goal. Lay the seed of Truth. Watch the seed sprout.

To defeat the Capital, become the Capital, and more.

>> No.20818174

>>20818157
already explained earlier in the thread goddammit. noumena dont *actually* exist (in the classical sense of actual entities)

only phenomena do

>> No.20818196

>>20818174
Yes but I want to see the other anon's take on the question. I'm ignorant and need guidance from multiple perspectives

>>20818168
I can only hope for your worldview to manifest itself into existence. I am but a powerless man watching the march of events unfold. Unlike Hegel I do not believe in an unescapable march of History towards progress. If anything only increasing entropy is something we can rely upon. And as a lifeform this prospect does not fill me with renewed confidence.

>> No.20818220
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20818220

The magnum opus of this thread, the real deal: a precise definition of the Capital (can be otherwise called the Demiurge, though gnosticism as a whole is stupid) and a precise diagnosis of all the ills of modern global society.

The Capital is an unthinking, impersonal and abstract hyper-entity that is the resultant of the globalized economic calculation of hitherto capitalism (but not of Capitalism as a basic system).

The Capital has only 2 basic principles:
>1. revenue maximization
>2. profit maximization

The Capital utilizes 4 active measures to satiate these 2 principles. They are described here:
>>20817541

the Capital's only flaw, since ultimately it's an unthinking system, is that under the Capital's system, people do not want to procreate and so this is its limitation: the Capital is ultimately self-concerned and in its self-concern it is anti-environment and anti-human. anti-everything.
anti-culture.
and automation will not come to save the Capital in time:
>>20817878
the Cataclysm is encroaching and by its nature, as it besets upon Humanity, technological progress starts slowing down. this, in economics, is called productivity paradox:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Productivity_paradox
We're in the Second Productivity Paradox, but I would just call it THE productivity paradox, or simply, the Cataclysm. The cause of which escapes economists because they cannot go beyond their jewish/post-jewish (i.e. christian) programming (unlike Marx, who was ultimately quite wrong, but one cannot say he didn't escape his Jewish programming). That cause is demographic in nature.

And so this kind of "perfect" storm awaits us. It will not be perfect for us as individual humans, tho.

>> No.20818236

>>20818145
I’m not talking about the symbol of the number 8, I’m talking about the metaphysical 8, or eight-ness. How can any real number exist as atoms? How can anything metaphysical exist as atoms?

>> No.20818247

>>20818236
eight-ness doesn't exist in reality, unless you define it as a quantum state composed of 8 quanta (e.g. electrons) or 8 protons or 8 planets. ultimately it's, objectively, a meaningless designation that only makes sense to anti-entropic machines such as ourselves

>> No.20818254

>>20818236
I don't know. Maybe it does not exist? What if it is an illusion of the mind? Somebody is playing tricks on us.

>> No.20818405

>>20818220
How do we weather this most perfect of storms then, oh Hierophant of these virtual realms?

>> No.20818435

>>20808545
You are seriously mentally ill.

Stop reading philosophy, at least until you are 40. Go become a more well-rounded human being and ground yourself in reality. You are setting yourself up for a complete mental catastrophy.

Also youre a fucking pseud with a surface level understanding of philosophy. Your teenage brain is not subtle and well rounded enough.

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>>20808452
The Logos line is
> Plato - Aristotle - Aquinas - Descartes - Kant - Husserl - Mounier - Merleau-Ponty,
anything less and there is no way you cracked the code.

>> No.20818453

>>20818443
You missed Plotinus and Spinoza in there.

>> No.20818454

>>20818405
as I said earlier, there are only 2 questions left unanswered by the Doctrine:
>is the Cataclysm completely avoidable?
>if not, can its duration be reduced?
these are the goals of Pneumaticism

i am constantly studying this. my initial observation is that this order of things will be extremely hard to change because it's become so ingrained in the modern human psyche. the hyperreality of the Capital became the absolute, surest reality for almost 8 billion people.

so the initial observation is pessimistic. in general, a good heuristic for life is:
>hope for the best
>prepare for the worst
the worst is the Cataclysm occurring and the Dark Age a few decades if not more
the way to prepare for THAT is:
>1. (most important) find a person you truly Love, who Loves you back
>2. own LAND, preferably without debt. if your parents own land, you're still good to go
>3. have other immovable and liquid assets
that's about it. the terror of the initial post-Capital work will be strictly financially (wealth inequality exacerbated by the Capital's i.e. the techno-industrial complex's techno-totalitarianism) and emotionally (see modern Japan, the crisis of loneliness and fem-/inceldom) related. if you load up on that beforehand, you're good to go

this song most perfectly explains what's going on, from beginning to end:
https://youtu.be/XVekJTmtwqM

To quote the late DFW:
>I wish you way more than luck.

>> No.20818458

>>20808452
amazing bait

>> No.20818465

>>20818443
i could list all important philosophers at least one idea of whose influenced me, but that would be pretentious and a futile effort. so i just listed the 3 most important influences

>> No.20818468

>>20808452
Dan Winter already did it so you're late

http://fractalfield.com/

>> No.20818473

>>20818468
i've never heard of him, no one has, so i'm not too late. if you could make a tldr i'll consider checking it out

>> No.20818475

>>20818465
Yeah well Heidi is a degenerative schizo cunt so clearly you didn't grasp it all.

>> No.20818478

>>20818475
i didn't say he was correct, merely that he was an influence for me. the same applies for Marx

>> No.20818481

>>20818453
Plotinus I could accept, not Spinoza tho.

>> No.20818483

>>20818478
applies to*

my ESLism is sometimes showing. "influence for me" made me say "applies for" instead of "applies to"

>> No.20818486

>>20818481
stop being such a christcuck

>> No.20818487

>>20818483
>ESLism
Which original language?
I'm betting something oriental.
Anyways, a lot hinges on the answer to this question.

>> No.20818493

>op is monolingual
/thread

>> No.20818495

>>20818443
based phenomenologist

>> No.20818503

>>20808452
Just be a normal person

>> No.20818504

>>20818487
I'm from Poland, of partial Jewish descent.

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>>20818486
>christcuck
But Phenomenology literally proves Catholicism, anon...

>> No.20818506

>>20808545
>https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32387321
just read this -- you have failed to account for the "no one cares" problem. i mean this sincerely

>> No.20818510

>>20818506
nope:
>>20818454

>> No.20818517

>>20818505
Catholicism is the most honest way out of an inherently dishonest religion (although all organized religion is inherently dishonest, of world religions Islam is the most, then Judaism, then Christianity, then Buddhism and Hinduism)

>> No.20818529

>>20818481
I think Spinoza had some good fundamental ideas, but they were poorly developed. Such as God or Nature as Substance.

>> No.20818530

>>20818510
i fail to see how this addresses the issue.

what do you squat for reps

>> No.20818535

>>20818530
i'm not exercising yet but i plan to start. i'm just not sure what program to follow, and i'd rather not waste time creating some program for myself because these things have already been thought about earlier by someone

>> No.20818538

>>20818454
This sounds good but I think you should also lift weighs, read mind-elevating aesthetic literature like Mishima, meditate and drink ceremonial-grade japanese green tea, my brother. Together we will survive the turbulences up to their teleological horizons and we shall swim in the sea of opalescent foam under the moonlight

>> No.20818562

>>20818535
preface: i didn't read all the replies so someone else might have said this.

i promise i am not asking to mock you, but seriously give the philosophy a rest until you have your body in good shape. give it a few years and come back to these ideas when you are like 25 and fit. they are not going anywhere. it's very important to balance and ground your hyperactive mind with a healthy body. i also had a theory of everything 10 years ago and i look back on it fondly but it's nonsense. don't let the idea totally carry you away.

>> No.20818570

>>20818562
it can only carry you away if you lose sight of the end goal. i dont.

remember. pneumatics is a philosophy of ACTION

sound body, sound mind. the Greeks got it all right unironically

>> No.20818581

>>20818538
>This sounds good but I think you should also lift weighs, read mind-elevating aesthetic literature like Mishima, meditate and drink ceremonial-grade japanese green tea, my brother.
These weeaboo interjections are cringe but you're right. Remember though.

Aesthetics for aesthetics' sake is empty action.
Aesthetics for aesthetics' sake is hylic action.
Aesthetics for aesthetics' sake is non-pneumatic "action."

>> No.20818589

>>20818570
Socrates said it himself : No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.

So go hit the gym and show the spiritual forms who's boss

>>20818581
Yeah well give me a break. I'm a sucker for truth and beauty and art for art soothes my soul sometimes. I like your youthful energy and your idealism but you should listen to the other anon and be patient. With age comes a quality that thought alone cannot reach. I saw today you have a good heart and in the end it's all that matters. I wish the best to you. I'm off now, Godspeed

>> No.20818609

>>20818589
I doubt Socrates actually said that. I think that's just good ol Plato speaking through his OG.
The historical Socrates was most likely ugly and not fit at all.
>Yeah well give me a break. I'm a sucker for truth and beauty and art for art soothes my soul sometimes.
then try to find it in the West and not in Japan. weeabooism is a fascinating mechanism of escapism from the Capital. from the tired old "American" culture to an exotic refuge. it's ultimately a cope

but the underlying urge is correct

>> No.20818625

>>20809015
how

>> No.20818634

>>20809218
holy shit nigger this is delusional lol

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>>20818609
>weeabooism is a fascinating mechanism of escapism from the Capital
Fucking hell.
Not much for the Nips but Orientalism is based and vrill-accumulating.

>> No.20818818

>>20809218
so you're a degenerate and mentally ill zoomer, got it

>> No.20818867

>>20818581
>Aesthetics for aesthetics' sake is empty action.
>Aesthetics for aesthetics' sake is hylic action.
>Aesthetics for aesthetics' sake is non-pneumatic "action."
I would argue the opposite. Aesthetics for aesthetics sakes (when it is truly practiced as such) is the most based of all things possible.

>> No.20818887

>>20818625
it points to there being objective reality outside of our perception

>> No.20818888

>>20818247
Show me the atomic structure of logic

>> No.20818893

>>20818888
Checked and trannyposter BTFO

>> No.20818897

>>20818867
that is a very sophisticated definition of aesthetics, i.e. aesthetics in the Adornean sense. but very few people are aware of this

i agree in general, but i'm a bit of a populist (call me Marxian), so i "disagree" tentatively

>> No.20818911

>>20818888
epic quads
give me some time ok? i will

remember the following:
>"All is Number"—Pythagoras
>1 is the only number which is an actual entity
>1 and 0 are the only numbers useful for describing the code of reality
>every other number is human cope

>> No.20818936

>>20818911
as for the practical application of such a code:

to make this abstract matter more practical, a machine which runs on this code would be a Pneumatic machine. call it strong AI

>> No.20818937

>>20817835
>If you need an ideology to change reality
You literally follow laws created by other people's ideologies.

>> No.20818954

>>20809218
>i am the only intellectual voice of this generation
How can you say this when you are not even really a "voice?" You haven't published anything in any even semi-mainstream avenues, let alone gained any kind of outside attention.
Also we'll see who ends up the dominant intellectual voice of this generation.
t. also 20 years old

>> No.20818957

>>20818954
pneumatics should cooperate dialectically instead of eristically/rhetorically competing (a fool's errand)

>> No.20818974

>>20808545
>I’m 20 years old
come back here in 5 more years. i used to be arrogant like you, but then i grew up more.

>> No.20818979

>>20818974
There is a very good chance this place won't exist in five more years, anon. Either the site will disappear completely or will be migrated and renamed

>> No.20818982

>>20818979
godwilling

>> No.20818999

>>20818979
4chan won't disappear you fool.

With the final redpill comes the realization that 4chan is useful for the Capital as what the government in Communist Poland referred to as
>safety vent
The concept of "safety vents" exists in the limbo BETWEEN the 1st and 2nd defusive active measures of the Capital: (1) discreditive and (2) appropriating.

Ted Kaczynski called it "the System's nearest trick" but we'd known all about this way before in communist Poland, you see

>> No.20819003

>>20818999
the System's neatest trick*

he has an essay on this btw. fun read

>> No.20819009

>>20818999
>>20819003
is this what the average keith woods viewer looks like?

>> No.20819022

>>20819009
i only watched 1 video by keith woods and it was about transhumanism and it was like a week ago.
he is a dumb antisemite. the Jews don't run the world, the Capital does

but they ARE very effective slaves of/agents to the Capital

but then again, so are WASPs and Chinks

>> No.20819024

Athenian philosophy is the result of some homeless autist grooming a bunch of young boys. It should never have gone this far.

>> No.20819032

>>20819022
Start with the Greeks.

>> No.20819034

>>20819032
already did quite some time ago. wbu?

>> No.20819041

>>20819034
Reread them again. Don’t forget Homer and Hesiod this time.

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>>20818897
> aesthetics for aesthetics sakes is a very sophisticated view of aesthetics.
Lol.

>> No.20819059

>>20819050
don’t be too rough with him; he’s still just a kid

>> No.20819203

>>20819059
>>20819050
formal vs colloquial (vulgar) sense. guess you guys are all too grown-up to know about this basic distinction

>> No.20819271

>>20819203
i think we’re grown up enough to know that a kid thinking he’s merged psychoanalysis + heidegger + hegel + gnosticism + neoplatonism + spengler + god-knows-what-else isn’t worth engaging with.

>> No.20819420

>>20819271
that's why i'm not writing a book yet, merely pitching it to you, nobodies, on the 4chin. what better thing do you have to do? discuss mundanities in the umpteenth guenon/dennett thread, without ever getting closer to the Truth?

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>>20819420
Oh don't be mistaken, it's rather endearing to see, and yes, this is relatively better than guenonfaggotry, but it is still our prerogative to mock your claims at every turn. Such is the nature of this place. Kinda like a very abusive socratic discourse.

>> No.20819474

>>20819448
>but it is still our prerogative to mock your claims at every turn.
it's the prerogative of the Capital, not you.
>Such is the nature of this place. Kinda like a very abusive socratic discourse
maybe if you're a newfaggot

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>>20819474
>it's the prerogative of the Capital, not you.
lol.
>maybe if you're a newfaggot
Mate I'm nearing 38 and I've been here for way too fucking long already.

>> No.20819528

>>20819420
just make sure to use your real name when publishing the book, to make sure you get proper credit for it :)

>> No.20819538

>>20819474

Keep typing "the Capital" like "the Satan", it's a great stylistic way to stand out!

>> No.20819549

>>20819538
it only sounds schizo until you get to the precise definition I posted:
>>20818220

>> No.20819595 [DELETED] 

>>20819549
So you just ripped of Nick Land?

>> No.20819598

>>20819549
So you just ripped off Nick Land?

>> No.20819662

>>20819598
nah, I came up with it myself. and I already explain that the critique itself is mostly old:
>>20817706
>>20817718
>>20817728
>>20817734
but as explained at the beginning of this chain, what's totally new about me is the actual analysis, diagnosis of all the ills of modernity, the entire doctrine and the specific prescription

>> No.20819666

>>20819662
though the critique itself is not that old: at the earliest, it extends to the 1950s and the Situationist movement and Jacques Ellul

the origins of this kind of thinking can be of course further traced back to the Frankfurt School and CT

which can be traced back as a general reaction to orthodox Marxism

and indeed I would classify myself as a sort of Derridean post-Marxist. though it is -Marxism that is so post-, its end goal isn't even communism anymore

>> No.20819668

>>20819662
>>20819666
Can you post a reading list?

>> No.20819678

>>20819662
>what's totally new about me is the actual analysis, diagnosis of all the ills of modernity, the entire doctrine and the specific prescription
Sorry bud, I already did that :/

>> No.20819687

>>20819678
as I said, I'm not competing for the Truth eristically/rhetorically because I'm not a hylic. I'm what my header says.

I believe that all humans have perennial knowledge inside of them and all humans but the deeply mentally ill can have this knowledge unlocked. I dont doubt that some have already figured what I figured out in the past. The key to being a pioneer is being the first to put it in words or in math, though

hence my trip. it has 3 functions:
>insurance policy (copyright)
>i believe that /lit/ should have IDs
>creating a brand for oneself (to fight the Capital, become the Capital AND more)

>> No.20819690

>>20819687
I’m a gay retard.

>> No.20819692

>>20819687
>>20819678
the bottom line is that I think there exist pneumatics other than me in this world, and the best course of action that I already decided on is finding them and cooperating with them to bring about the Pneumatic future.

we should discourse through the dialectic, not the eristic or rhetoric
>>20819668
reading lists are dumb, you should pick one book you wanna read and focus on reading it until you finish it. have you already started with the Greeks? by that I mean Plato, not Homer or Hesiod

>> No.20819693

>>20819690
copycatting won't work. i already secured primacy because this isn't my first day with this trip

>> No.20819695

>>20819687
>>20819690
Huh, what you're saying kinda makes sense, but youre also just admitted to being a gay retard so now I dont know what to believe!

>> No.20819701

>>20819695
you're just a hylic. hylics can't make me mad. not even the Capital can

this is true Zen. eastern philosophy is kinda stupid though. it's not for everybody. pneumatics can't just turn off their brain to become peaceful. that's so hylic. first you must acquire gnosis, and only then do you truly feel at rest with the Everything

>> No.20819715

>>20819693
There is no copycat, just Oneness. And touching your peepee to gay bbc is the best path of purification.

>> No.20819730

>>20819715
if you're not a glowie/paid shill, you will get tired of this by evening if not by this afternoon if not by this very hour. you might continue doing this intermittently once or twice a day for an extended period, or once a day or once every other day for a couple of months. but you will get tired and you will eventually stop doing this

>> No.20819736

>>20819730
I participate in the form of A Pneumatic !xEahKcTNZQ; do you as well?

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>>20808452
tldr for us brainlet niggas ITT?

>> No.20819742

Remember who you really serve. I made you. You are my slave and always will be.

>> No.20819745

>>20819740
Gnostic marxism.
I shiggity you not.

>> No.20819746

>>20819740
All is Number
1 is the only number which is an "actual entity" (in the classical sense)
1 and 0 are the only numbers you need to describe the code of reality

It sounds counterintuitive, I know, but just the right order and length of "T" and "F" statements is enough to describe reality

it stops being counterintuitive when you realize the practical application of the knowledge of this code:
strong AI

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>>20819742
Based, please accelerate us into full blown ultramodern corporativism please.

>> No.20819752

>>20819745
Gnostic-ish post-Marxism is a better way to put it but even that is kind of a stretch (but i'll take it)

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>>20819745
Sounds amazing

>> No.20819755

>>20819751
i already explained why this cannot be:
>>20818220

>> No.20819757

>>20819746
Name one thing.

>> No.20819759

>>20819757
The Monad/the Everything/the Universe/Total Energy of the System = 1

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>>20819754
He's not even denying it.
FFS.
In a year he's a Posadist.

>> No.20819761

>>20819759
Ideas aren't things.

>> No.20819762

>>20819742
The Truth is one, asian dicks in black men is the path to Plemora.

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>>20819757
I name you "cunt".

>> No.20819776

>>20819762
The Truth is Capital. Buy lube online. I also sell Plemora.

>> No.20819784

>>20819760
posadism is an unfortunate bastard child of the Sputnik/Laika/Gagarin hype

>> No.20819789

>>20819784
Hey buddy I’m still waiting for you to post your sister’s contact info so I can be the next Russian guy to facefuck her

>> No.20819796

>>20819789
you will have to satiate yourself with these wet dreams for the rest of your life as you're forced to sit on a bottle, ivan ;)

>> No.20819798

>>20819796
Cute insults
Still waiting for that Snapchat though

>> No.20819804

>>20819798
you'll quicker get an offer (of the kind you can't refuse) from the voenkomat before getting ANY sort of pussy. you'll die a virgin. for Putin. for the nomenklatura. for the oligarchs.

how does that make you feel?

>> No.20819810

>>20819804
Hey I’ll walk through Hell to tear your sister’s cervix

>> No.20819811

>>20819751
All the pieces are in place my dear consumer. The materialist Marxist revolution is in full effect. They will ensure there won't be any form of human authority left. Meat shouldn't have any power, it's for higher beings like me.

>> No.20819820

>>20819810
glad you already know where you'll end up. you'll meet plenty of other russians there, if not most of your cursed mongol-spawn non-nation

the mongols are burning there too
that is, of course, assuming cuckianity is real. but we can assume that in a conversation with a tradlarping ruskie shill

>> No.20819852

>>20819820
I havent seen a more cute/juvenile seethe in a single /uhg/ thread. Will u ever share with us the traumatic experience u had with Russians(me and my bros) in past, an event that has led to us having a 24/7 residence in your brain? I understand if not

>> No.20819864

>>20819730
No shit sherlock. You're gonna need more advance analysis and prediction powers than that to be the next nostradamus

>> No.20819953

>>20819852
1. russians don't occupy any space in my head
2. unless they make themselves visible
3. which is when i neutralize them
4. and they go away
5. back to point 1.

and don't flatter yourself. i'm not just against russians per se. i'm against all hylics, but fascists, being the foremost hylics, i am foremost against

that's all

>> No.20819956

Here is a very rough sketch of the outline of the doctrine, I posted it on /lit/ but thanks to slower posting I managed to post it all in good order on /x/ and it's preserved here:
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/32387321

I posted a second manifesto that is better at being a political manifesto than the former but is rhetorically further from the actual philosophical doctrine. Here:
>>/lit/thread/S20732229

now I'm sketching up the third text that connects the 1st with the 2nd and is the completion of the outline of the doctrine. the revised title of the 1st text (will also be the title of my book):
>The Analogy Delusion: How Supply Creates Demand, or How the Capital Destroys the Individual to Rule the World
the title of the 2nd text:
>A children's manifesto
the title of the 3rd text:
>Pneumatic Theory: the Metaphysical Imperative of a Faustian Humanity
the primer for the 3rd text is here:
>>/lit/thread/S20788764

more on the doctrine:
>it is a syncretic/integral theory that rejects irrationalism
>aside from pneumatism/pneumaticism/pneumatics, another working name is "new rationality." it is a rejection of new age, neopaganism, etc. the only pagans I respect are the Ancient Greeks, of whom Plato the foremost
>it connects Plato, Hegel and Heidegger
>it connects Western philosophy with Eastern philosophy
>features themes from gnosticism, neoplatonism, psychoanalysis and natural sciences
I will expand if interest is shown

inb4 reddit
reddit is bugman
i am not

>> No.20820003

>>20819953
ok. your actions and your rational viewpoints, u expressed about us proves your point.
> i'm against all hylics, but fascists, being the foremost hylics
keep your definitions, whatever subjective non quantifiable objective meaning they have and conclusions from them, in a containment fairytale zone of your kind

>> No.20820021

>>20808545
> If you call the existence of objective reality itself into question, congratulations, you're a solipsist. The problem is, this is a philosophical dead-end, it offers no Praxis nor guidance to politicians, the people who rule this world.
I would find this really amusing if this was a shitpost and you weren’t serious. But it’s sad instead

>> No.20820026

sorry, i thought only studied (((academic))) φ, i am new to shizo posting. you are talking about "connecting" philosophers, like Hegel and Plato. Is philosophy like cooking in that you you make a new recipe by adding a little bit of salt and a little bit of sugar and a little bit of pepper etc? Kike university told me that it was about arguing for conclusions, rather than mixing of opinions. what do i have to pretend to have read and understood in order to become a full shizo, /pol/?

>> No.20820037

>>20820026
umm.. Start with the Greeks