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How would /lit/ rank the classic Russian authors?

>> No.20804584

>>20804541
overhyped and overrated.

>> No.20804603

>>20804541
1. Tolstoy
2. Dostoyevsky
3. Chekhov
4. Turgenev
5. Lermontov
6. Gogol.

Bulgakov doesn't belong with the others (mediocre) and Pushkin is not even Russian.

>> No.20804946

>>20804603
>Pushkin is not even Russian
>born in Moscow
>born into Russian nobility
????

>> No.20804952

>>20804946
Pushkin was black
Gogol was Ukrainian
Chekhov was from Star Trek

>> No.20804955

>>20804603
>Bulgakov doesn't belong with the others (mediocre)
Don't ever open your mouth with an opinion again you utter fucking retard

>> No.20804957

>>20804952
>Pushkin was black
Octoroon at best.

>> No.20804963

>>20804955
cope

>> No.20804964

>>20804541
by their facial hair i guess

>> No.20804969

>>20804963
Why would I "cope" when I know that I'm right? You're delusional kek

>> No.20804975

>>20804969
You're obviously wrong. He doesn't belong with the Russian masters of the 19th century.

>> No.20804984

>>20804952
Ukraine didn't even exist as a country back then. He was as Russian as they come.

>> No.20804997

>>20804541
Pushkin, Gogol, Chekov, and Bulgakov would be my favorites, have yet to get too Turgenev and Lermontov. Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky have not really stood the test of time for me, loved them when I first read them but on reread not so much.

>> No.20805003

>>20804975
The question isn't about the "Russian masters of the 19th century" alone you dumb fuck, it's about the eight authors presented in this single image
What would you do if someone like Goncharov or Leskov were presented instead of Bulgakov? Oh wait, no one outside of Russia fucking reads those two, but they do read Bulgakov
All of those "masters" are indebted to Lomonosov as well, does that make him superior to them all despite not being in this image?

>> No.20805018

>>20805003
Do your own ranking, faggot lmao you sound like a woman in her period.

>> No.20805048

>>20805018
I don't give a fuck what I sound like to you you retarded cuck
Go read Tom Clancy and leave the discussion to people who are capable of it

>> No.20805063

>>20805048
seethe

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>>20804997
>Turgenev
Read Sketches, it's absolutely incredible and incredibly cozy to read

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>>20804603
>Tolstoy that high
>Turgenev that low

>> No.20806534

The death of Ivan Ilyich is literally the only decent thing Tolstoy ever wrote

>> No.20806549

>>20804541
With which book should I start?
Never read anything russian.

>> No.20806553

>>20806549
See
>>20805115

>> No.20806564

>>20804584
Who do you like then?

>> No.20806577

>>20804541
Gogol>Tolstoy>Chekhov>Dosto
I haven't read the rest

>> No.20806608

>>20806534
t. has only read Death of Ivan Ilyich

>> No.20806613

>>20806534
>what is Anna Karenina
>what is War and Peace
Maybe you should first read something before giving an opinion

>> No.20806650

>>20806613
>>what is Anna Karenina
>>what is War and Peace
Overrated is what they are.

>> No.20806691

personally Pushkin > Lermontov > Chekhov > Gogol > Tolstoy > Dosto > Turgenev
Bulgakov doesn't belong in this list, different era, otherwise you have to include all other 20th century greats too

>> No.20806701

>>20804541
It’s a shame they’re all mogged by Solzhenitsyn

>> No.20806735

>>20804541
Pushkin>Tolstoy>Gogol/Turgenev
Despite this, my favorite's Chekhov

>> No.20806741

>>20806735
Poetry exclusively: Pushkin>Lermontov...

>> No.20806742

>>20806650
Interesting opinion. Could you in your own words, give us an analysis of why that is?

>> No.20806747
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20806747

Biodeterministically speaking - theres only one correct answer in entirety of literature, not just locally

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>> No.20806777

>>20806759
failed. Check these

>> No.20806798

>>20806777
Thoroughly check'd.

>> No.20806815

>>20806735
>>20806691
What do you enjoy by Pushkin?

>> No.20806853

1. Gogol
2. Dostojevskij
3. Nabokov
4. Tolstoi
5. Bulgakov
6. Chekhov

Haven't read any other ruskies.

>> No.20806856

>>20806777
check'd em. check'd em good

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>>20806777

>> No.20807353

>>20804952
You're joking but people unironically think that

>> No.20807358

>>20804955
Bulgakov is mediocre
The ONLY reason he's famous is because he got banned by Stalin

>> No.20807412

>>20807358
>got banned by Stalin
Never happened

>“Mikhail Afanasyevich Bulgakov?”
>“Yes, Yes!”
>“Comrade Stalin will now speak to you.”
>“What? Stalin? Stalin?”
>“Yes, Stalin would be speaking to you. Hello, Comrade Bulgakov!”
>“Hello, Joseph Vissarionovich!”
>“We received your letter. Read it along with comrades. You will get a proper answer to that…And may be, is it true that are you requesting to be allowed to go abroad? What, have we pestered you so much?”
>“I have been thinking a lot for quite some time on whether a Russian writer could survive outside his motherland. And I feel that he can’t.”
>“You are right. I too have the same opinion. Where would you like to work? In The Art Theatre?”
>“Yes, I would. But I talked to them about this and they refused.”
>“But you submit your application there. I feel that they will agree. We should meet and talk to you some time.”
>“Yes, yes! Joseph Vissarionovich, it is very necessary for me to speak with you.”
>“Yes, we must find time and meet, definitely. And now I wish you all the best!”

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>>20806777

>> No.20807454
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>>20807412
Then they fugged uwu~

>> No.20807486

>>20804957
>octoroon
Pretty embarrassing that I actually know the meaning of this word

>> No.20807494

russkiy here.

1. Lermontov
2. Chekhov
Everyone else

>> No.20807792

>>20804541
the only one I really like is Chekov, he was a good retard. the other guys are too smart for me

>> No.20807825

>>20806815
poetry, if you are reading translation you won't get it
imagine Keats lived 12 years longer and wrote entire plays, tales and a novel in verse on the level of his odes
he would be the GOAT of English literature (and Russia had no writer even approaching this level before, inb4 wiseguy says Lomonosov)
Pushkin is more grounded and playful than dreamer Keats though and his subject is usually Russian unlike English romanticists who love exotic countries

>> No.20807862

>>20804541
I've only read Tolstoy so he's number 1 for me

>> No.20808329

>>20807825
What poetry exactly? I can read in Russian. I haven't read any Keats.
Lomonosov was mentioned simply as an extremely influential predecessor to the classics, not artistically on their level (though IMO he's much more interesting and better than what the popular view suggests, but that's an another matter).

>> No.20808386

>>20804541
Gogol=Dostoyevsky>Chekhov>Turgenev>Tolstoy>Bulgakov

I’ve only read Pushkin in translation so I don’t feel comfortable ranking him since he is famous mostly for his poetry. His stories are fun and light. He feels like a proto-Gogol. Never read Lemontov

>> No.20808489

Is Dead Souls that good?

>> No.20808497

>>20808489
It’s incomplete but what we have is great. One of the funniest books I’ve read

>> No.20808517

>>20804541
I've only read Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, and only recognize Chekhov and Pushkin

>> No.20808538

>People hating on Turgenev
He is amazing what is everyone smoking.

Dostoevsky, Gogol, and Chekhov are the best for my money, but Dostoevsky towers above them all

>> No.20808562

>>20808538
Turgenev is a breath of fresh air. Big ideas, big feelings, concise and beautiful prose. I'm reading translations, but I assume the originals are similar.

>> No.20808582

>>20804541
Where the fuck is Solzhenitsyn? I've taken the bait haven't I?

>> No.20808590

>>20804541
Russians are systemically (and thus mentally) unable to create anything original, deep or meaningful. Any beauty is superficial because of the inherent falsity.

Filter that further through dehumanizing Anglo bugman translation and you've got a horrid product whose popularity is beyond understanding for me. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that Russia was a big empire back then, and also closed off to the rest of the world culturally kind of like China or North Korea, and people cared for whatever shit culture it exuded like some pretend to care about whatever some Chinese person says?

Their only good writer is Chekhov
herbs

>> No.20808595

Also why is English-language literature so underrated on /lit/ and Russian "literature" so overrated?

I suspect it's unironically because of Russian glowies who instead of creating an official brand for themselves like the Germans did with the Goethe Institut, turned to undercover promotion (pushkin institute or whatever it's called was a complete failure, mostly because pushkin sucks compared to Goethe and is the most perfect exemplification of Russian retardation)

herbs

>> No.20808599

>>20808595
PS except for dostoevsky and maybe tolstoy and maaaybe chekhov, no one reads russian "literature" irl

>> No.20808617

>>20808562
Exactly this, he has a real lightness of thought at touch, and his characters for the most contain abundant humanity. It's what really struck me about Fathers and Sons when I read it for the first time. Currently learning Russian and hoping to read in their original forms

>> No.20808671

>>20804541
Dostoyevsky
Pushkin
Bulgakov
Gogol
Lermontov
Chekhov
Tolstoy
Turgenev
Not that I’ve read everything by them, of course.

>> No.20808834

>>20804952
>Chekhov was from Star Trek
kek

>> No.20808869

>>20808582
He’s not a part of the golden era of Russian authors. Still amazing though.

>> No.20808878

>>20805115
One of my favorite books. Love the story where he meets the kids in the meadow at night.

>> No.20808887

I'm learning Russian so I can tell Russians that Pushkin is fucking shit
Wish me luck bros
>>20808595
It's because English literature is 'boring' and /lit/ is full of pseuds who can't appreciate simply beauty in prose

>> No.20809586

>>20806613
Both of those are trash and only pseuds who haven't actually read them and understood them think otherwise

>> No.20809633

>>20807825
>no writer even approaching this level before
t. have never read Derzhavin

>> No.20809658

>>20808590
>and also closed off to the rest of the world culturally kind of like China or North Korea
never happened

>> No.20809661

>>20808595
meds

>> No.20809681

>>20807486
all I know is that I hate niggers

>> No.20809762

>>20804541
Dosto > Turgeven > Bulgakov > The Rest

>> No.20809776 [DELETED] 

>>20807825
>poetry, if you are reading translation you won't get it
>imagine Keats lived 12 years longer and wrote entire plays, tales and a novel in verse on the level of his odes
>he would be the GOAT of English literature
Pushkin literally sucks and is a poor man's Goethe but really poor man's Mickiewicz, who in turn was more on the level of Goethe but at the end of the day also poor man's Goethe

herbing shitty russian "literature"

best exemplification of the shittiness of Pushkin and also russian lit altogether:
Mickiewicz's Forefathers Eve, part III, "fragments" chapter and Pushkin's response to it (the Bronze Horseman). one is full of actually vivid imagery that's authentic to the depressing reality of Russia, and a cynical, ascerbic commentary of the absurdity that this entire eastern society is, and Pushkin's response is just dumb, naive extolling of non-existent virtues

>> No.20809780

>>20808538
>>20808562
I'm convinced these are russians discussing between themselves in English and it's an extremely jarring picture of self-important self-congratulatory and agreeable cringe. it's almost as if guided by someone to achieve a particular goal and not partake in actual literary criticism

herbs

>> No.20809791

>>20807825
>poetry, if you are reading translation you won't get it
>imagine Keats lived 12 years longer and wrote entire plays, tales and a novel in verse on the level of his odes
>he would be the GOAT of English literature
Pushkin literally sucks and is a poor man's Goethe but really poor man's Mickiewicz, who in turn was more on the level of Goethe but at the end of the day also poor man's Goethe

herbing shitty russian "literature"

best exemplification of the shittiness of Pushkin and also russian lit altogether:
Mickiewicz's Forefathers Eve, part III, "fragments" chapter and Pushkin's response to it (the Bronze Horseman). one is full of actually vivid imagery that's authentic to the depressing reality of Russia, and a cynical, ascerbic commentary of the absurdity that this entire eastern society is, and Pushkin's response is just dumb, naive extolling of non-existent Russian/Tsarist virtues

>> No.20809970

>>20806777
Oh my.

>> No.20809999

>>20804541
1.Dostoyevski
2.Tolstoy
3.Pushkin (I fucking hate that I had to learn his poetry in school, it was hard but worth it)
4.Turgenev
5.Chekhov
...
99999.Lermontov
Gogol doesn't even belong here.

>> No.20810002

>>20806549
Start with Tolstoy or Turgenev

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>>20809791
>russian literature is shit, read this [irrelevant pole] instead now this is real lit!
Why are they like this?

>> No.20810326

>>20809586
> t. retard

>> No.20810568

>>20809791
>Pushkin's response is just dumb, naive extolling of non-existent Russian/Tsarist virtues
It's literally the exact opposite for most of the poem. Can you be any more retarded?

>> No.20810569

>>20808869
Neither is Bulgakov

>> No.20810614 [DELETED] 

>>20807494
SLAVA UKRAINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PUTIN IS A MANBABY, IF I WERE HIS FATHER NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

>> No.20810622

>>20809780
You're an actual schizo. Go back to writing your philosophical drivel

>> No.20810649

What do I read to get into Chekhov?

>> No.20810655

>>20810649
Start with Novgorod birch-bark manuscripts

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>>20810655
>tfw no Onfim bro who gifts you with drawings of mythical beasts

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>>20810675
>tfw no Kosniatin bro who calls your sister a slut and her daughter a whore

>> No.20811008

>>20804541
>tfw no Mikhail Kheraskov

>> No.20811012

>>20804584
fpbp

>> No.20811026

>>20804541
Chekhov is my fave since he's the only one I've read and also I performed in one of his plays in high school

>> No.20811061

>>20804984
>Kant wasn't German because Germany didn't exist back then
>Dante wasn't Italian because Italy didn't exist back then
That's how you sound.

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>>20804541
Pushkin
Turgenev
Dostoyevsky
Lermontov
Tolstoy

Haven't read the others but Chekhov and Gogol are probably shit.

>0 Soviet writers
I am always amazed by retarded westerners sucking off emigre Russian writers.

>> No.20811341

>>20811216
>0 Soviet writers
And Bulgakov is what?
>I am always amazed by retarded westerners sucking off emigre Russian writers.
I'm always amazed by the stupidity of Russians online. SSSR was a repressive shithole, the educated and cultured aristocracy mostly escaped, forced to publish elsewhere, or the writers literally kysed (such as your pic). And now you're wondering why emigrees produced good writing, unlike politically acceptable socrealists making artless novels about the glorious revolution and the greatness of WW2 victory.

>> No.20811354

>>20810266
>he thinks pushkin is relevant and read by anyone outside of russia
kek

herbs

>> No.20811418

>>20811061
To be fair, the concept of Germany and Italy predates their unification by centuries
...but back then Ukraine was just a vague geographical expression (borderland/on the border)
...but at the same time, people knew they werent (Great) Russians, they were instead Little Russians

>> No.20811428

>>20811341
>artless
>points at Vovochka
???

“You entered,
Abrupt like “Take it!”,
Mauling suede gloves, you tarried,
And said:
“You know,-
I’m soon getting married.”

Get married then.
It’s all right,
I can handle it.
You see - I’m calm, of course!
Like the pulse
Of a corpse.

Remember?
You used to say:
“Jack London,
Money,
Love and ardour,”--
I saw one thing only:
You were La Gioconda,
Which had to be stolen!

And someone stole you.

Again in love, I shall start gambling,
With fire illuminating the arch of my eyebrows.
And why not?
Sometimes, the homeless ramblers
Will seek to find shelter in a burnt down house!

You’re mocking me?
“You’ve fewer emeralds of madness
than a beggar kopecks, there’s no disproving this!”
But remember
Pompeii came to end thus
When somebody teased Vesuvius!

Hey!
Gentlemen!
You care for
Sacrilege,
Crime
And war.
But have you seen
The frightening terror
Of my face
When
It’s
Perfectly calm?

And I feel-
“I”
Is too small to fit me.
Someone inside me is getting smothered.”

>> No.20811618

>>20811354
You must be smoking herbs

>> No.20812027

>>20811428
>points at Vovochka
Learn to read. I point to a guy who obviously wasn't writing artless socrealist novels, but killed himself because SSSR was a really nice place for artists or something. Дoлбoeб нeгpaмoтный.

>> No.20812099

>>20804984
>gogol
Literally
>hohol
>russian
kek

>> No.20812211

>>20812099
What

>> No.20813628

>>20804541
gogol deez nuts LMAOOOOO

>> No.20813941

>>20804984
Ukraine is an older country than Russia. Kievan Rus babtised their king before Muscovy was in existence.

>> No.20814013

>>20813941
Kievan Rus is not Ukraine. (Neither is it Russia, of course.)

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>>20804541
>nobody posted Щoыaк version

I will post it, because its silly and makes me laugh. Especially Tolstoy.

>> No.20814135

>>20814099
>Щoыaк
shcho-ui-ak?

>> No.20814165

>>20814135
Йec

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>>20809780
>incoherent ramblings of schizoposting namefag
Lol, lmao even