Is it overrated?

[Anonymous No.20798387]

[Anonymous No.20798396]

>>20798387
it's properly rated but it filters plebs so they hate it.

[Anonymous No.20798454]

Um actually "Pale Fire" refers to the Moon so this picture is inaccurate.

[Anonymous No.20798515]

>>20798387
Just finished reading this an hour ago
It gave me a headache trying to follow along at times but it was a pretty satisfying read and was equally hilarious
Perhaps (no, delete this craven "perhaps") the most relatable section was when Charlie describes his debilitating dreams about Disa when they're separated but a page later is utterly indifferent to her when he visits and eventually abandonds her despite her protests
Not sure of the significance behind Charlie's rather overt (and somewhat conflicting) Christian beliefs, I found that characteristic interesting and thought it might play a larger role, if his quotes about religion were in sincerity

[Anonymous No.20798682]

All of Nabokov is overrated, so Pale Fire is also overrated.

[Anonymous No.20798717]

>>20798682
can you elaborate?

[Anonymous No.20798723]

>>20798717
No.

[Anonymous No.20798724]

>>20798515
Thank you

[Anonymous No.20798753]

>>20798724
For what, Anonymous?

[Anonymous No.20798800]

>>20798724
>>20798753
This is the man himself browsing /lit/ out of his grave

[Anonymous No.20799013]

>>20798387
I would say yes, but it is quite good and worth reading.

[Anonymous No.20799038]

>>20799013
>I would say yes,
but it's not.

[Anonymous No.20799440]

So is Kinbote actually the king or is he just some guy from Zembla who pretends he is to make himself sound important?

[Anonymous No.20799606]

No.

[Anonymous No.20799638]

>>20798387
Laughter in the Dark is better

[Anonymous No.20799658]

>>20798387
Never heard of it.

[Anonymous No.20799671]

>>20798454
So Nabokov is connected to the moon?

[Anonymous No.20800352]

No. Read Edwin Mullhouse if you want something similar.

[Anonymous No.20800354]

>>20799671
He always makes me laugh and every time I read anything he wrote I hear it Gordon Cole's voice.

[Anonymous No.20800386]

>>20799440
He's actually the king

[Anonymous No.20800498]

>>20798515
those are two important details imo.

the dreams a8out disa ive always interpreted as mirroring shade and sy8il. the dream within the zem8la dream of kin8ote mirrors the reality of shade. thats the general structure after all. some have even suggested the idea of gradus (not jack gray) in kin8otes head canon is shade from the afterlife coming to finish his poem, so he ends up killing himself from the afterlife, crahing into himself in the reflection like the waxwing.

kin8otes religious 8eliefs are one of the many oppositions 8etween shade and kin8ote (vegetarianism, sexuality, facial hair, dominant hand...) 8ut shade himself goes through a spiritual journey in the poem. in the end despite his layers of delusions and the very funny god de8ate 8etween shade and kin8ote, kin8ote is undenia8ly right. their world (pale fire) was authored with intent 8y na8ogod, who created them in his image.

[Anonymous No.20800520]

>>20800386
Is that like official/sure?
I don't remember why, but at some points when reading the book I thought it could make sense if he was some kind of megalomaniac Zemblan scholar just taking the opportunity to get some attention or something.

[Anonymous No.20800536]

>>20800498
u having some keyboard problems mate?

[Anonymous No.20800738]

>>20799440
Zembla doesn't exist. It was made up by Kinbote (aka Botkin), with at least some details being invented after his arrival in New Wye.

[Anonymous No.20800742]

>>20800738
I had considered the fact that Zembla doesn't exist at all, but it seemed too much. Like it's one thing to make up a stories about an existing country and king, but fully inventing a new one seems unplausible. I mean, in the world of the book. Like anybody buying the book with Kinbote's notes would instantly know whether or not Zembla exists, it seems way to much of a big lie. That's why I always thought that at least Zembla was real.

[Anonymous No.20800911]

>Nodo, Odon's epileptic half-brother who
cheated at cards, or a mad Mandevil who had lost a leg in trying to make anti-matter.
Gradus had long been a member of all sorts of jejune leftist organizations. He had
never killed, though coming rather close to it several times in his gray life. He insisted
later that when he found himself designated to track down and murder the King, the
choice was decided by a show of cards - but let us not forget that it was Nodo who
shuffled and dealt them out.

if anyone has read a8out this in secondary lit lemme know. the odon nodo reversal always stood out to me 8ut i never knew what to make of it. also that nodon was epileptic. didnt shade have seizures? if the reversal is supposed to imply a connection 8etween nodo and shade (like the possi8ility of the disa dreams 8eing a reflection of shade and sy8il, a mirroring of the mirror world gives you reality) then could nodo 8e shades ghost haunting the commentary? does nodo chrating at cards mean gradus was influenced 8y shade to kill the king and accidentally kill himself instead thus completing pale fire the novel

>>20800738
i dont know how much of it you can attri8ute to kin8ote creating a world using new wye as his material instead of na8okov inserting synchronicities. that passage could certainly 8e interpreted the other way.

>>20800742
he might 8e delusional himself rather than lying

[Anonymous No.20800959]

fucking love this book and i love lit threads on it. keep it up lads

[Anonymous No.20802179]

>>20800742
Didn't one of the students bring up the fact that Charlie resembles the Zemblian king? Is the idea that he fabricated that encounter as well?