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"Last man standing claims the permanent name 'Penelope's Bloom' with whatever trip" edition, and it's gonna be me

Ithaca: 22403 words; 6 days
Penelope: 24059 words; 6 days

Last thread >>20770873

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3 days left of Ithaca and Penelope to soon follow

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>>20794556
>it's gonna be me
I think you will win. I finished a week ago and would like to carry on but got permabanned for posting an Eric Clapton album (in jest, of course) and maybe i should really just stop using 4chan anyways. It was a fun ride

>> No.20794910

>>20794556
My first comment in the whole read of the whole Joyce's Ouvre here.
This Irish man changed my life. A Portrait changed my life. Ulysses is changing my life.
Bloom is the most human a human can be. The funny part? The fucker don't exist. His house, his family, his journey, his day, was invented, maybe just like the life and journey of Odysseus, maybe just like the life and journey of Socrates, maybe just like the life and journey of Jesus. But they all are humans of the most human to me, and they all changed my life.
Thank you OP.
Thank you /lit.
Thank you Joyce.
Here, I don't know if I thank Homer and Plato for inventing their "characters". Still, i'm glad of had read them.

>> No.20795156

>samefag general dies the second that the samefag bumps it all the time
Colour me surprised

>> No.20795271

>>20794556
>someone saved my low-effort mspaint edit
heeheehee

>> No.20795364

>>20794556
op here! thank you so much for beginning the new thread.

>> No.20795936

bump

>> No.20795983

>>20795271
It perfectly encapsulates Ulysses

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ulysses illustrated...
... in ms paint.

>> No.20797127

Necro'd. Who here still reading?

>> No.20797147

>>20794910
> His house
I believe his house does exist. Saw a video, where dude says Joyce asks his aunt to go measure how high Bloom would have to jump.
It should be one of the three Ithaca vids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QjOr4tUNnM&list=PLxlGs_Xj2HYA8P6E2Jy6Ub9m7eqs-9lcU&index=27

I agree that there’s so much in this book, I will have to read it again and again.

>> No.20797739

And caught up! I really like Joyce's use of the stars and astronomy in this chapter. It really makes me feel lonely. Bloom and Stephen must feel the same way.

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>>20797739
>I really like Joyce's use of the stars and astronomy
You should read the Divine Comedy

>> No.20798272

>mfw Joyce pronounces it oolisays

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Reposting from the last thread:
Where do you think Stephen goes after leaving the Bloom household?
Will Stephen and Bloom ever meet again?

>> No.20798413

>>20798265
I got to the 7th level of Hell and stopped because I started Ulysses.

>> No.20798772

>>20798272
Yes similar to Ouranus to Ooranus- to Uranus to your anus.

>> No.20798885

>>20798272
where? i've only heard 2 recordings of his voice

>> No.20799506

What did anon think of Ithaca?

I found the chapter to be beautifully written, with many a scenes nostalgic.

What was nostalgic about the scenes anon did not mentioned?

It reminded anon of the many times where his family would have guest over and they would feed and give drink to them, and how his grandmother would boil water or milk and make hot cocoa.
It made him think of the nights where the full moon was out, and he would hide behind walls, peeking out to see if the bright pale moon was still following him.

What do other anons thought of the chapter?

>> No.20799603

>>20799506
I've got 20 pages left but I agree, beautifully written. The thought of Bloom and Stephen seeing a shooting star together while pissing was kind of heartwarming. And then Stephen was gone and Bloom realized he was left alone and recounted all the people who he had lost. That whole section was very good, very Odysseus, remembering how he's the last one left after all his travels.

>> No.20799979

How many times have you all read Ulysses?

>> No.20800543

>>20799979
this is my first time. and certainly not my last.

>> No.20800678

I've only just started Scylla and Charybdis

>> No.20800802

>>20798413
Inferno doesn't relate well with stars(with an exception at the end), you should make an effort to finish it and start with Purgatory

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done.
beautiful.
will post highlights later today.

>> No.20800949

>>20799979
My first time too. Also not my last. But given how involved it is, I will have to make time for it again later.

>> No.20801055

>>20799979
Read it once. Won't read it again. Ullyses is really something, but the only lesson I took away from this book is the human ability to create meaning from the meaningless.

>> No.20801317

>The irreparability of the past:

>socalled fixed stars, in reality evermoving wanderers from immeasurably remote eons to infinitely remote futures

>its universe of divisible component bodies of which each was again divisible in divisions of redivisible component bodies, dividends and divisors ever diminishing without actual division till, if the progress were carried far enough, nought nowhere was never reached.

>[...] though an apogean humanity of beings created in varying forms with finite differences resulting similar to the whole and to one another would probably there as here remain inalterably and inalienably attached to vanities, to vanities of vanities and to all that is vanity.

>the attendant phenomena of eclipses, solar & lunar, from immersion to emersion, abatement of wind, transit of shadow, taciturnity of winged creatures, emergence of nocturnal and crepuscular animals, persistence of infernal light, obscurity of terrestrial waters, pallor of human beings.

>Silent, each contemplating the other in both mirrors of the reciprocal flesh of theirhisnothis fellowfaces.

>The cold of interstellar space, thousands of degrees below freezing point or the absolute zero of Fahrenheit, Centigrade or Reaumur: the incipient intimations of proximate dawn.

>Of what did bellchime and handtouch and footstep and lonechill remind him?
>Of companions now in various manners in different places defunct:

>From infancy to maturity he had resembled his maternal procreatrix. From maturity to senility he would increasingly resemble his paternal procreator.

>Nadir of misery:

>sound without echo, desired desire.

>the continued product of seminators by generation: the continual production of semen by distillation: the futility of triumph or protest or vindication: the inanity of extolled virtue: the lethargy of nescient matter: the apathy of the stars.

>What moved visibly above the listener's and the narrator's invisible thoughts?

>He rests. He has travelled.

>> No.20801742

>>20799979
This is my second time.

>> No.20802820

bump. raise your hands if you're still reading!

>> No.20802864

>>20802820
Checking in. Got 13 pages left in Ithaca and I'll either finish that tonight over dinner or tomorrow before my morning meeting. It's been nice to have this group be here to encourage me to read.

>> No.20803785

>>20802864
this group has been great. probably the best read-along on /lit/.
my only regret is that the anon who promised to tell us about his crossdresser stephen theory never did so.

>> No.20803867

Almost finished Ithaca. Probably will have to wait until tomorrow to read the rest though since I'm spending time with friends this evening.
I'm grateful this read-along was started. I've been dancing around reading Ulysses for a while and this finally motivated me enough to do it. Well worth the time and effort.

>> No.20804448

>>20803785
My first read along. I started with portrait didn’t get to do Dubliners.
It really was great. These last chapters have been slower but anons write thoughtful posts.

>> No.20804587

>>20803785
As long as we can keep strong. It's crazy to think that we started Dubliners with so many people actively reading it. I guess Ulysses really ended up being a filter.

>> No.20805185

>>20804587
The jump between even Dubliners and Portrait can be a bit of a challenege but Ulysses is a different level. There's no shame in being filtered by something like Oxen. In saying that, everyone who did stay just became much more capable because of it.

>> No.20806087

before we move on, can anybody explain what this means exactly?

>What moved visibly above the listener's and the narrator's invisible thoughts?

>> No.20806092

>Equanimity?
>As natural as any and every natural act of a nature expressed or understood executed in natured nature by natural creatures in accordance with 684his, her and their natured natures, of dissimilar similarity. As not as calamitous as a cataclysmic annihilation of the planet in consequence of a collision with a dark sun. As less reprehensible than theft, highway robbery, cruelty to children and animals, obtaining money under false pretences, forgery, embezzlement, misappropriation of public money, betrayal of public trust, malingering, mayhem, corruption of minors, criminal libel, blackmail, contempt of court, arson, treason, felony, mutiny on the high seas, trespass, burglary, jailbreaking, practice of unnatural vice, desertion from armed forces in the field, perjury, poaching, usury, intelligence with the king's enemies, impersonation, criminal assault, manslaughter, wilful and premeditated murder. As not more abnormal than all other parallel processes of adaptation to altered conditions of existence, resulting in a reciprocal equilibrium between the bodily organism and its attendant circumstances, foods, beverages, acquired habits, indulged inclinations, significant disease. As more than inevitable, irreparable.

>As more than inevitable, irreparable.
A part of me wants to bemoan that this line is true and anyone getting married should expect this. Another part of me wants to say Bloom had this coming after not drilling his wife for over ten fucking years after Rudy died. And I think I read correctly: Molly only has been cheating on Bloom for about nine months and a day, now.

>>20806087
It's a pretty straightforward line. As Molly and Bloom lay in bed and think about their day and all their complications, what is happening in the room around them? The next line describes the reflection of the lamp light on the ceiling.

>> No.20806312

Geetings, fellows! Apologies for the silence during the last few chapters, I had almost no time between readings to do a write up. I'm sorry, but I have read ahead of schedule and just finished Ulysses this hour. I am by no means an intelligent person, as a matter of fact I am closer to mental retardation than the average IQ of an Amerifag, let alone Eurobros lmao. Anyway, this was a wild ride. The most wild, in fact, of my reading history. This book opened my eyes to what literature can be. This was one of the most interesting reads of my life and, anons, I am ever grateful to have experienced this with you all and wouldn't trade it for the world. You retards really made this brick fun to read. Thank you. I will make another reply soon detailing some more closing thoughts, highlights, and questions. Thank you, Joyceboros. Godspeed.

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Bloom like fucked Molly. He scored. Huhuhuhu. hehe, he scored.

>> No.20807505

gonna start penelope as soon as the clock strikes twelve

>> No.20807563

>>20807505
Same here. I'm ready to get ruined by Molly's one sentence monologue. I think there are a few paragraph breaks in it though.

>> No.20807581

>>20807563
There are eight sentences, actually.

>> No.20807649

>>20807581
kek. a sentence per day then, i guess.

>> No.20807706

>>20807581
One sentence for each load she took from Boylan that day. Poor Bloom. Maybe tomorrow he'll decide to fuck his wife.

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>>20807706

>> No.20809010

YOU FUCKING JESUIT FUCKS
I WILL CLAIM THE TRIPCODE

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>>20806312
>This book opened my eyes to what literature can be
So glad you could have that anon! When a book can have that effect on you it's one of the most wonderful things in the world. The only problem is that in three years you may find yourself arguing with strangers over whether Ishmael is gay on an image board.
>>20807505
Best of luck my man. A long one but a great one.
>>20807706
Kek, Bloom cucked again.
>>20806092
I may agree with you anon. I like that Molly gets a chance to explain herself in the next one.
>>20802820
I finished but I'm still trying to post.

>> No.20809447

Tomorrow over breakfast we begin the final stretch into Penelope. 18 unique posters, probably 9 total, given some post on their home wifi and then either post from a mobile network or work wifi. I guess Ulysses was too hard for people.

>> No.20809885

>>20809027
>A long one but a great one.
said molly about boylan's blazing cock

>> No.20810330

>>20794556
i just got the complete works of joyce. sad i missed this but whatever

>> No.20810672

does anybody here have any COMPLAINTS about joyce's style? i saw a bunch of people shitting on him for certain passages in A Portrait but i didn't see anything particularly wrong with those passages

>> No.20810845

>maybe like the smutty photo he has shes as much a nun as Im not yes because theyre so weak and puling when theyre sick they want a woman to get well if his nose bleeds youd think it was O tragic and that dyinglooking one off the south circular when he sprained his foot at the choir party at the sugarloaf Mountain the day I wore that dress
So she knows about the photo...
>anything at all to get into a mans bedroom with her old maids voice trying to imagine he was dying on account of her to never see thy face again
About women trying to fuck Bloom...
>and thats called a solicitor only for I hate having a long wrangle in bed or else if its not that its some little bitch or other he got in with somewhere or picked up on the sly if they only knew him as well as I do
About Bloom picking up girls...
>he was scribbling something a letter when I came into the front room to show him Dignams death in the paper as if something told me and he covered it up with the blottingpaper pretending to be thinking about business so very probably that was it to somebody who thinks she has a softy in him because all men get a bit like that at his age especially getting on to forty he is now so as to wheedle any money she can out of him
And about Martha? Jesus, Molly.

>unless I paid some nicelooking boy to do it since I cant do it myself a young boy would like me Id confuse him a little alone with him if we were Id let him see my garters the new ones and make him turn red looking at him seduce him I know what boys feel with that down on their cheek doing that frigging drawing out the thing by the hour question and answer would you do this that and the other with the coalman yes with a bishop yes I would
/ss/ confirmed, Molly = Mommy

>> No.20811825

bump. going to finish penelope after dinner, hopefully.

>> No.20812980

45 pages in Penelope over 6 days means roughly 8 pages a day. Given the breakneck structure of this chapter I'd say that's a plenty reasonable ask.

Any insight on why Joyce wrote Penelope like this?

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Went to visit Joyce's room featured in Telemachus. Would recommend if you're in Ireland.

>> No.20812998

>>20812980
>Any insight on why Joyce wrote Penelope like this?
He wrote it with punctuation and then simply took it out. The whole point is to represent the uninterrupted nature of thought. There are no sentences in thinking, just a stream of ideas. Nabokov disagreed with the device though, and believed the chapter would have been the same with punctuation, but less annoying to read.

>> No.20813265

>>20812998
>He wrote it with punctuation and then simply took it out.
wait, seriously? is there a version of penelope with punctuation?

>believed the chapter would have been the same with punctuation, but less annoying to read.
ironically, this seems like the most comfortable chapter for me so far. internet-age tendencies, i suppose.

>>20812992
that's amazing. i have to visit some day

>> No.20813353

>>20812980
>Any insight on why Joyce wrote Penelope like this?
His wife Nora would write letters in the same style, without punctuation.

>> No.20813369

>>20813353
that's kinda sweet lol

>> No.20814213

>and Mina Purefoys husband give us a swing out of your whiskers filling her up with a child or twins once a year as regular as the clock always with a smell of children off her the one they called budgers or something like a nigger with a shock of hair on it Jesusjack the child is a black the last time I was there a squad of them falling over one another and bawling you couldnt hear your ears supposed to be healthy not satisfied till they have us swollen out like elephants
Alright, look Molly, you can complain all you want about men wanting to knock up women, but it's not going to stop men from knocking up women. Though I do legit feel bad for women who don't want that and end up being dragged into the life of a permanent mother.
>when I came on the scene he was dancing and sitting out with her the night of Georgina Simpsons housewarming and then he wanted to ram it down my neck it was on account of not liking to see her a wallflower
Based Poldy asking for dome.
>that was why we had the standup row over politics he began it not me when he said about Our Lord being a carpenter at last he made me cry of course a woman is so sensitive about everything I was fuming with myself after for giving in only for I knew he was gone on me and the first socialist he said He was he annoyed me so much I couldnt put him into a temper
Unbased Poldy picking fights over religion with his wife.
>still he knows a lot of mixedup things especially about the body and the inside I often wanted to study up that myself what we have inside us in that family physician I could always hear his voice talking when the room was crowded and watch him after that I pretended I had on a coolness on with her over him because he used to be a bit on the jealous side whenever he asked who are you going to and I said over to Floey and he made me the present of Byrons poems and the three pairs of gloves so that finished that I could quite easily get him to make it up any time
Jesus, bros. Maybe she's just really telling her perspective well because Bloom made her sound like this retarded slut airhead when in reality she just misses how her husband used to be and wishes she was as smart as him, but I'm really starting to feel for her. She still took 9 inches of red haired cock though.

>> No.20814421

>>20809885
Kek, you’re on fire anon.
>>20810672
Honestly no, and if I did I feel like they’d be more a problem with me than with Joyce.
>>20814213
>I'm really starting to feel for her
The line about “he says people have no soul” is what got me the first time through. I love Bloom, but imagine living with someone who views says that and probably does it as a way of showing off their intelligence.
>>20812992
Went to the Joyce center but missed this on my visit. Had only read Dubliners at the time, but I do have to thank that place for getting me interested in Ulysses with them posting the last line on all the merch.

>> No.20814969

bloom is a redditor

>> No.20815240

>>20814969
stephen would post on r/atheism every week. mulligan would have an alpha male podcast

>> No.20815364

>>20815240
KEK this is true. And Molly would be on Twitter but not good enough with computer to gain more than 12 followers.

>> No.20815396

>>20815364
molly would be a niche internet microcelebrity with a private account, actually. she would know how to market herself.. and her bosom. not more than 782 followers, though

>> No.20815460

>I saw him before he saw me however standing at the corner of the Harolds cross road with a new raincoat on him with the muffler in the Zingari colours to show off his complexion and the brown hat looking slyboots as usual
"Looking slyboots as usual" is such a clever phrasing. I really liked that.
>so I lifted them a bit and touched his trousers outside the way I used to Gardner after with my ring hand to keep him from doing worse where it was too public I was dying to find out was he circumcised he was shaking like a jelly all over they want to do everything too quick take all the pleasure out of it
Ah there it is, the jack off in public referenced again.

You can tell that for all the resentment Molly has toward Bloom she still really likes him.
>he did look a big fool dreeping in the rain splendid set of teeth he had made me hungry to look at them

>> No.20816563

Wake up, you jesuits.

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>>20814969
yes

>> No.20817068

>>20816967
kek

>> No.20817081

>bitches that Poldy should find a real job at a bank or something and quit mooching around selling ads
>he ought to at least smoke a pipe or something manly
>he has no fashion sense either
>still loves him
I feel like I'm getting a really aggravating but accurate insight into the brain of a woman.

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>>20817081
This New Yorker article was written by a woman. Make of that what you will.

>> No.20817914

consider a modern-day parody of ulysses that takes place over the internet

>> No.20818047

>>20817110
She didn’t read the book. Or she didn’t understand what she read.

>> No.20818056

>>20817914
Redditor that stays awake for 24 hours replying and getting upvoted, while his gf gets fucked by bbc outside his room.

>> No.20818064

>>20818056
stephen and bloom get downvoted everytime they post

>> No.20818104

>a young boy would like me Id confuse him a little alone with him if we were Id let him see my garters the new ones and make him turn red looking at him seduce him I know what boys feel with that down on their cheek
oh MOMMY

>> No.20818348

>>20818104
Don't forget 14 year old Stephen fucked prostitutes twice his age

>> No.20818377

>>20818348
i know, and i had the exact same reaction in one of the earlier threads during A Portrait

>> No.20818639

>>20817914
It's entirely online. Bloom starts the day by saying hi to his online gf, spends the day going in and out of MMOs and online chat rooms, streams, comes back to say hi to her at 2am. Meanwhile Molly, his online gf, is cam whoring and healslutting for the admin of a rival MMO guild of her husband's while said guild does realm battles

>> No.20819056

>>20818064
Kek.
Instead of eating liver etc. Bloom eats noodles and Cheetos and post about how alpha he is.

>> No.20819085

>I could write the answer in bed to let him imagine me short just a few words not those long crossed letters Atty Dillon used to write to the fellow that was something in the four courts that jilted her after out of the ladies letterwriter when I told her to say a few simple words he could twist how he liked not acting with precipit precipitancy with equal candour the greatest earthly happiness answer to a gentlemans proposal affirmatively my goodness theres nothing else its all very fine for them but as for being a woman as soon as youre old they might as well throw you out in the bottom of the ashpit.
Holy shit Molly, don't expose women's secret game and fears like this. They're going to fuck you up.
>only not to look ugly or those lines from the strain who knows the way hed take it you want to feel your way with a man theyre not all like him thank God some of them want you to be so nice about it I noticed the contrast he does it and doesnt talk I gave my eyes that look with my hair a bit loose from the tumbling and my tongue between my lips up to him the savage brute Thursday Friday one Saturday two Sunday three O Lord I cant wait till Monday
So is Molly getting a second visit from Boylan in a few days? I can't imagine she's pining about Bloom in this passage but I thought I'd ask the crowd.

>> No.20819314

>>20815240
>>20814969
>>20815364
>>20815396
Bloom provides overly long explanations on Reddit
Stephen doomposts on 4chan
Molly markets herself on Twitter.
Mulligan has a podcast that’s a mix between Tim Dillon and Cum Town.
>>20816967
Kek

>> No.20820482

Morning bros.
>he was looking at me I had that white blouse on open in the front to encourage him as much as I could without too openly they were just beginning to be plump I said I was tired we lay over the firtree cove a wild place I suppose it must be the highest rock in existence
Women know, despite their protests, exactly what they're doing. Never forget that. Trust your instincts when she's seeming to put out.
>that old Bishop that spoke off the altar his long preach about womans higher functions about girls now riding the bicycle and wearing peak caps and the new woman bloomers God send him sense and me more money
Lmfao. Even Molly has a wit.
>they were shaking and dancing about in my blouse like Millys little ones now when she runs up the stairs I loved looking down at them
M-Mods

>> No.20820667

leopold coom

>> No.20821124

>>20820482
>girl riding the bicycle
Remember: the bicycle caused women's suffrage

>> No.20821926

>>20821124
what do you mean?

>> No.20822328

>>20821926
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/the-technology-craze-of-the-1890s-that-forever-changed-womens-rights/373535/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycling_and_feminism

>> No.20822387

>>20822328
that's pretty cool.

>> No.20822625

>white Arsenic she put in his tea off flypaper wasnt it I wonder why they call it that if I asked him hed say its from the Greek leave us as wise as we were
KEK. molly isn't dumb. she knows how much of a redditor bloom is

>> No.20822665

women are allowed to be free and wild and make dumb decisions and live recklessly and live out their youths as men do and women are allowed to be flawed and dirty and obscene and rude and immoral and women are allowed to be human and we should judge them and their actions and thoughts and ideas and sensations as we judge those of men. i think that's what makes joyce a sort of protofeminist. he isn't trying to say "this is woman" when he lays out molly's internal monologue for the world to see; he's saying this is A woman.

the same theme reverberates throughout the novel. the narrative isn't universal. it is personal. and out of the personal the universal born

>> No.20822706

U.P.: Up

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>>20822706

>> No.20822845

>titties he calls them
kek

>> No.20822848

>>20822665
James Joyce himself said
>For myself, I always write about Dublin, because if I can get to the heart of Dublin I can get to the heart of all the cities of the world. In the particular is contained the universal.

>> No.20822891

>>20822848
holy shit. so i'm at least a little bit right

>> No.20823177

>Id never again in this life get into a boat with him after him at Bray telling the boatman he knew how to row if anyone asked could he ride the steeplechase for the gold cup hed say yes then it came on to get rough the old thing crookeding about and the weight all down my side telling me pull the right reins now pull the left and the tide all swamping in floods in through the bottom and his oar slipping out of the stirrup its a mercy we werent all drowned he can swim of course me no theres no danger whatsoever keep yourself calm in his flannel trousers Id like to have tattered them down off him before all the people and give him what that one calls flagellate till he was black and blue do him all the good in the world
I'm having a good time thinking of Bloom trying to impress Molly that he can row as good as a gold cup champion only to flounder like a fucking moron

>> No.20823297

I'm having so much fun with Penelope that I'm afraid I'll read ahead and finish it before this Sunday.

>> No.20823899

I've decided to not do one picture for each chapter of Ulysses for my REG because some of these chapters I don't have anything witty coming to mind.

>> No.20824342

>>20822625
Hahaha, Molly referencing all of Bloom’s quirks is one of the best parts of Penelope. Love when she calls him out for making a lot of noise so the burglars would here him.
>>20822891
Did you really say that not knowing Joyce said essentially the same thing?
>>20823177
>>20823297
One of the funniest chapters in the book. Really gets you addicted when you start.
>>20823899
I could see how it’d be tough with a chapter like this, though, you may find some good descriptions to use at the end.

>> No.20824633

>>20824342
>Did you really say that not knowing Joyce said essentially the same thing?
yeah. his wording was much less clunkier than mine

>> No.20825294

>>20824342
I've found the hardest one to be Cyclops, actually. I haven't found a way to represent bros talking in the bar yet. Maybe I need an anime screenshot.

>> No.20825319

>>20825294
how about a memri tv screenshot?

>> No.20826094

oh my god i messed up and skipped an entire sentence

>> No.20826156

i think "flood of consciousness" is a better term than "stream of consciousness."
oh well but actually maybe the attempt to exprss thought in language, linearly, words one after the other, might be an attempt to linearize consciousness. i don't know.

>> No.20826460

>>20826156
Either way, I've found myself writing more like Joyce with my character thoughts. Instead of using "He thought X", I move right into free indirect discourse.

>> No.20826482

>>20826460
same! i've been more direct and careful with the words i use; every word must sculpt the reader's experience. nothing that interrupts the stream of thought.

>> No.20827634

>hes a goodlooking man still though hes getting a bit grey over the ears theyre a nice lot all of them well theyre not going to get my husband again into their clutches if I can help it making fun of him then behind his back I know well when he goes on with his idiotics because he has sense enough not to squander every penny piece he earns down their gullets and looks after his wife and family goodfornothings
I like that even when Molly is fantasizing about being railed by Boylan and bitching about her husband she still wants to keep Bloom out of the hands of drunks and hates the drunks for talking shit about him behind his back. Women are bizarre.

>> No.20827791

>>20827634
My reading of Molly is: she prob married Bloom out of love and she was a virgin or very little experience.
She gets with Boylan, because bloom won’t fuck her(we know why), tho at the end of Ithaca I’m almost sure bloom fucks her, also the begging of Penelope feels like a reaction to Bloom getting home with Stephen.
So as Bloom n Stephen were talking, etc, she was having this internal monologue. It’s also why at the end she says yes I will do that, yes she is being taken by Bloom at that moment. She is affirming herself as a woman.

>> No.20827803

>>20827791
I'm pretty impressed that burying an infant son can have that much of a disastrous affect on a man's libido. It's weird, I can't tell if Bloom is punishing himself for not fucking Molly by trying to cuck himself or if he's legitimately unaware of how stupid it is to not fuck the woman you've married.

>> No.20827868

>>20827791
It's almost certainly after Bloom falls asleep because the beginning of the monologue is Molly agreeing to Bloom's request to have her bring him breakfast in bed.

>> No.20827874

>>20827803
Bloom still has intercourse with Molly, just not with complete ejaculation inside female organs

>> No.20828541

i might cry when i finish ulysses

>> No.20828819

Butler's prose translation of the Odyssey or Butcher&Lang's prose translation? I want to read it now

>> No.20828901

>>20828541
I finished it last night and today I felt I lost something. I want to spend more time with the people, in the world of Ulysses

>> No.20829610

Bumping. 7 pages left in Ulysses. I'm gonna watch the movies tomorrow.

>> No.20830732

bump

>> No.20831372

Well bros, we finally did it. All 783 pages down in the old memory banks. Here are some of my final thoughts on Ulysses.

I understand the people who claim it's a highbrow, pretentious book. However, I think they're mistaking faux intellectualism for stylistic experimentation. I can't believe Joyce wrote this to prove how smart he was. He was writing this to provide what I'd consider a stylistic Bible for the modernist movement. Even today you have people referring back to Ulysses for style tips and pointers. I think undoubtedly this is the book that changed modern literature's writing style the most. Between the many narratives happening at once and complicated stream of consciousness all overlapping, IMO best seen in Aeolus, it's easy to be lost and far easier to forget what just happened, but not for lack of trying, merely for density of action.

Penelope was a fast, exhilarating read. After you land the tempo it becomes easy to follow but you still blow through lines so quickly that if you aren't careful you may miss something. It's definitely a magnificent chapter and I can see why people liked it so much.

I think the best chapter in the book was either Penelope, Cyclops, or Oxen. I really did not care for Cyclops initially, but the more I remembered the "begob, says I" narrative style the more I thought it was charming. For certain, Cyclops through the end is the best part of the book. Eumeus didn't capture me as much and Nausicaa was so easy to read that it made the other chapters weirdly out of place by comparison. Of course it's only fitting to be followed by Oxen.

I can forsee myself going back to Ulysses sometime in the next year. I think I more want to revisit my favorite parts of the book than tackle the whole thing again, and I doubt I'll ever undertake a serious study of the thing. But I had a great time and it looks like I didn't finish alone. Today, no one gets to claim the tripcode.

>> No.20831806

Any advice for reading Scylla and Charybdis? I haven't read any Shakespeare and only vaguely know what Hamlet is about, they keep referencing things that I have like no concept of and I am genuinely getting nothing from this chapter. Help a retard out

>> No.20832054

>>20831806
have fun with it.
ulyssesguide.com should help a little.

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>>20794556
Can someone explain how these threads work please? There doesn't seem to be a fixed goal, page number or chapter to read till so that all of you guys are on the same page, wouldn't that very quickly lead to some people lagging behind and others spoiling whilst being ahead?

And when is the next one starting? (by next I mean threads on another book and not another thread on this one) I'd love to participate.

>> No.20832151

>>20832100
>>20794558

>> No.20832171

>I wouldnt mind being a man and get up on a lovely woman
I wouldnt mind being a lovely woman and having Molly get up on me

>> No.20832249

>>20832100
>And when is the next one starting? (by next I mean threads on another book and not another thread on this one) I'd love to participate.
I'm waiting on someone to pick a book to read together and make threads advertising it. It worked really well for the Don Quixote group. I don't much care what it is, either. We can do another classic like Moby Dick or an easy pulp. Or we can get crazy and try to tackle Henry James. The bottom line is, somebody needs to make threads and see what's going to be popular.

>> No.20832290

>>20832249
we should do something easier. but not something that's mediocre

>> No.20832325

>I suppose I oughtnt to have buried him in that little woolly jacket I knitted crying as I was but give it to some poor child
man.
joyce makes me cry once again

>> No.20832341

>and they treat you like dirt I dont care what anybody says itd be much better for the world to be governed by the women in it you wouldnt see women going and killing one another and slaughtering when do you ever see women rolling around drunk like they do or gambling every penny they have and losing it on horses yes because a woman whatever she does she knows where to stop
>I hate that in women no wonder they treat us the way they do we are a dreadful lot of bitches

come on, molly

>> No.20832371

molly gushing over stephen becomes hilarious when you consider that stephen is a proxy for joyce

>> No.20832406

>and yes I said yes I will Yes.

>> No.20832484

>This website includes information about Project Gutenberg™, including how to make donations to the Project Gutenberg Literary Archive Foundation, how to help produce our new eBooks, and how to subscribe to our email newsletter to hear about new eBooks.
well that was a shit ending

>> No.20833071

>>20832484
Lmao

>> No.20833712

i feel a bit empty now, having finished ulysses.

>> No.20834386

>>20833712
Same here. What do I do next? Probably brainstorm what's the best follow-up book to start a /lit/ reads thread about.

>> No.20834742

>>20824633
That's neat dude, I'd be pretty tickled to get at an author's thoughts like that.
>>20825294
That's the sort of thing where an audiobook is super helpful. Makes it much more manageable with the different voices.
>>20827634
I actually read it as the turning point where Molly starts to show that she still loves him.

>> No.20834896

>>20794556
So UT had or has a James Joyce exhibition and I try reading.
It was awful pure brain babble couldn't finish past Nausicaa

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>>20832249
>>20834386

https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/154535467

Here's a list of Books you could pick from to begin the next one. I hope to participate.

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It's time.

>> No.20836102

>>20835520
let's fucking GO

>> No.20836629

>>20835246
Funny, I just started the Odyssey yesterday afternoon.

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When, lo, there came about them all a great brightness and they beheld the chariot wherein He stood ascend to heaven. And they beheld Him in the chariot, clothed upon in the glory of the brightness, having raiment as of the sun, fair as the moon and terrible that for awe they durst not look upon Him. And there came a voice out of heaven, calling: Elijah! Elijah! And he answered with a main cry: Abba! Adonai! And they beheld Him even Him, ben Bloom Elijah, amid clouds of angels ascend to the glory of the brightness at an angle of fortyfive degrees over Donohoe's in Little Green Street like a shot off a shovel.

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