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Anonymous Fri Aug 5 19:41:37 2022 No.20792610 [Reply] [Original]

This mindset killed good writing and is only useful for making the most worthless pop media possible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 19:56:26 2022 No.20792672 What mindset? The one he's arguing against, or the one he's arguing for?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 19:57:04 2022 No.20792676 >>20792672 Against. Explaining basic aspects of your world and worldbuilding is what makes for good writing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 20:00:01 2022 No.20792688 >>20792676 Why

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 21:28:47 2022 No.20793099 >>20792676 Lol fantasy spastic detected

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 21:30:08 2022 No.20793107 >>20792676 Some people are unironically too autistic about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 21:30:45 2022 No.20793108 Morrison is just very angry that he isn't Tolkien, huh

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 21:47:47 2022 No.20793178 >>20792610 Missed opportunity for brilliant engagement

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 21:49:40 2022 No.20793186 >>20792676 We've had this thread already, you were wrong then and you're wrong now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 22:51:13 2022 No.20793415 >>20792676 >worldbuilding Cringe

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 23:04:34 2022 No.20793479 >>20792610 Alfred pumps the tires. He's the FUCKING BUTLER God what a retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 23:08:43 2022 No.20793494 >>20793479 Yeah, who would ask that question?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 23:11:25 2022 No.20793508 >>20793479 In the comics, they actually had a mechanic for a while. He was a mute hunchback who lived in the bat cave.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 23:18:39 2022 No.20793533 >>20792676 You have to go back to whatever fantasy forum you came from, anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 23:18:41 2022 No.20793535 >>20792676 Never knew Brandon Sanderson browsed this board

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 23:32:38 2022 No.20793588 >>20792676 Tolkien ruined fantasy

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 23:37:50 2022 No.20793622 >>20793588 That's actually true. Fantasy was actually good and had literary merit before Lord of the Rings was published. Nothing against Tolkien, but he did open the door for the genre evolving to the mess it is now

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 23:43:04 2022 No.20793651 >>20792676 If you're too fucking stupid to pick up context clues and put two and two together, but instead need shit explained to you like a child, you shouldn't be talking about what amounts to good worldbuilding.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 5 23:47:43 2022 No.20793666 >>20793622 name a good fantasy novel pre-tolkein, i’ll wait

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:11:26 2022 No.20793771 >>20793666 the bible

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:41:21 2022 No.20793869
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>>20792676
No worthwhile author is going to limit their already precious space reserved for character development, thematic exploration, and actual literature just because some autist demands to know how tires are pumped.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:43:57 2022 No.20793876 >>20792610 Simple. Superman and Batman are not adult fiction and shouldn't be read by adults

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:49:23 2022 No.20793897

>>20792610
He's correct in some cases and not in others. There are times when something not being explained or being contradictory will harm the reader's suspension of disbelief, and there are times when it won't. A good writer can understand which is which, and a bad writer can't. If you have to wave away any complaints by appealing to this, though, you're probably the latter.

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:50:06 2022 No.20793902 [DELETED]

I always felt that there are two kinds of story: myth and simulation. Myth follows dream logic and tends to be heavy in symbolism. Simulation follows real life logic and tries to account for as making variables as possible in order to be realistic. The very best stories do both of these things at once. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:51:06 2022 No.20793905

I always felt that there are two kinds of story: myth and simulation. Myth follows dream logic and tends to be heavy in symbolism. Simulation follows real life logic and tries to account for as many variables as possible in order to be realistic. The very best stories do both of these things at once. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 00:59:01 2022 No.20793942 >>20793666 Gormenghast, The Well at the World's end...everything on King Arthur. If you don't think there was good fantasy before Tolkien, you just haven't looked/read enough

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 01:10:46 2022 No.20793986 >>20792676 There is always another "why?" underneath any explanation. Fostering a suspension of disbelief is what's more important, and attempting to explain things is only a single tool among many that you can use to achieve it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 01:31:10 2022 No.20794065 >>20793942 >Gormenghast Was going to say this. Anon must not have looked at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 03:36:50 2022 No.20794423 >>20793508 Oh huh interesting

Anonymous Sat Aug 6 13:35:40 2022 No.20795938

>>20792688
>>20793099
>>20793107
>>20793186
>>20793415
>>20793869
>>20793986
All these seething replies and not a single one can prove it wrong. Worldbuilding has been done since the beginning of literature. Homer and the Greeks were such good world builders they thought they actually lived in it and it became part of their language and history.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 14:16:19 2022 No.20796086 >>20792676 Tell me, are you trained in any of the STEM disciplines? You sound like a computer science guy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 14:20:11 2022 No.20796104 >>20793771 the bible is real?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 20:00:03 2022 No.20797518 >>20792610 No one asks those questions

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 20:46:46 2022 No.20797693 File: 228 KB, 900x1200, 1659155172306061.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20792676 that this anon is getting shat on is sign that /lit/ is still a good board

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 20:55:54 2022 No.20797731 >>20792676 Contrary to what your friends on the fanfic forums you frequent tell you, "Worldbuilding" is the least significant aspect of good writing

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 20:57:08 2022 No.20797735 >>20795938 There is zero worldbuilding in the Iliad

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 6 21:03:41 2022 No.20797749 >>20793905 There are already terms for this, it's called hard vs soft fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 01:31:39 2022 No.20798782 >>20797731 Establishing ground rules and locations for your setting is bad because...?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 01:39:13 2022 No.20798829 >>20792610 Imagine being above the age of 20 and still reading fantasy and harping on about some fourth-rate writer's "exquisite world-building". Genuinely lower than manga readers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 01:51:25 2022 No.20798883 >>20793905 care to posit examples of stories that are both myth and simulation?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 01:53:02 2022 No.20798889 >>20792676 RETARD ALERT

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 01:53:32 2022 No.20798892 >>20795938 Sure but they didn't explain every fantastic thing that happens.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 01:54:27 2022 No.20798896 >>20793651 This

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 01:55:28 2022 No.20798897 >>20792676 You eat mystery and shit out convention

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 7 01:56:29 2022 No.20798900 >>20798782 Because the best works drop you right into the world, like reality

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