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>Beginning with Marx the future was seen through a piece of literature. The strength of the system lies in its superficiality.

>Marxism is literature. Literature can become obsolete; reality either conquers or dies.

>Our Marxists show strength only when they are tearing down; when it comes to thinking or acting positively they are helpless. By their actions they are confirming at last that their patriarch was not a creator, but a critic only. His heritage amounts to a collection of abstract ideas, meaningful only to a world of bookworms. His "proletariat" is a purely literary concept, formed and sustained by the written word.

>> No.20792406

>>20792404
Sex gifs

>> No.20792409

stupid tripposter

>> No.20792412

>>20792404
>His "proletariat" is a purely literary concept
yes people don't work
brilliant

>> No.20792421
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>>20792409
I’ve done you

>> No.20792425

>>20792404
Sexgifs was a marxist tho

>> No.20792445

>>20792406

>> No.20792454

>>20792404
Yes. It's a template for demagogery that has found its final form in racial agitation 'bioleninism' and New Xi Xi Ping Thought; and it's no mistake that half his work is ghost written by an industrialist, or that he expatriates to England or gives up the project entirely while there to pursue other interests, because he was a lapdog proving Bakunin and Kropotkin and the rest right about him, and his role Marx indefinitely forestalled social reform on the continent, keeping the vestiges of feudalism in the mix to this day.

>> No.20792461

>>20792412
"Proletariat" is a concept denoting a class, having specific qualities, formed at the capitalist stage of economic relations. All of that is literature and has nothing to do with actual people and work. Even leftists admit that the "proletariat" has not existed for nearly a century now.

>> No.20792502

Based Spergler prefiguring right-wing postmodernism/premodernism event horizon by denouncing classes as social constructs

>> No.20792517

>>20792502
>denouncing classes as social constructs
He says its a literary construct, dumbass.

>> No.20793066

>>20792502
>denouncing classes as social constructs
Why would that be a denouncement? Classes are a social phenomenon that exist or are "constructed" within a society by economic and social forms.

>> No.20793097

>>20792461
yes people only work in books

>> No.20793888

>>20792404
Rare picture.

>> No.20794625

>>20792404
my man smengler was really puffin fat STOGIES like that.... wow.....

>> No.20794720

>>20792412
Being a proletarian is just working? All classes can work, retard. You don't even know your own literature.

>> No.20795264

>>20792425
naw he not

>> No.20795732

god hes just like me.

>> No.20795742

>>20792404
cringe
>>20792406
based

>> No.20795749

>>20792502
Classes are a social construct, but that doesn't mean it's not real nor something that manifests materially.

>> No.20795793

Classes are a physical construct, for instance I can demonstrably prove I don't own a factory, and that I have a contract right here between my employer and me promising to exchange my labour for a wage. That's not a social construct, it's a material reality. This relation I have to the world makes me proletariat, because that's what it's defined as. Come on guys this is basics

>> No.20795807

>>20795793
This may be the most vulgar materialist post ever made.

>> No.20795814

>>20795793
>for instance I can demonstrably prove I don't own a factory
You can't prove a negative retard

>> No.20795818

>>20795793
>because that's what it's defined as.
That makes it an abstract, literary construct. Definitions don't exist physically.

>> No.20795838

>>20795793
Fine with me. What is the practical use then of this definition because it makes 90% of the population proles, including 300k/year lawyers, including most of the city middle class, and the countryside middle class, service workers, trade workers. These people all have different political alignments and economic interests. I think we need to identify a lot of different groups not just proles/not-proles and take into account their differing self-interests.

And another thing: We need to identify the actual people by name who own capital. For some reason marxists never do that. I wonder why?

>> No.20795846

>>20792406
fpbp

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>>20792404
I've literally never met a self-proclaimed communist who's read even 5% of Das Kapital.
It's either some very short second-hand analysis of the work, or just the commie manifesto

>> No.20795903

>>20793097
The students passively receiving ideological spam and screeching at scarecrows pointed their way are indeed working class.

>> No.20795953

>>20795838
Yes, you're right that ppl on 300k are technically workers but are so firmly wedged into bourgeois ideology that it's almost certain they have no class consciouness or solidarity with lower income workers. This however highlights that the 'aspirational bourgeois' mindset that capitalists use to destroy class consciouness is a fundamental problem. If you don't make this raw distinction it's hard to see that. So it still has value

>> No.20796453

>>20792404
source? where does he say this?

>> No.20796467

>>20795953
you are high if you dont realize any chairman or CEO is a struggling ruler who is being squeezed by his upper earners who live a more pleasurable and relaxed life than him or very comparable.

there is no point in earning tens of millions annually for an individual directly, it all just becomes numbers and his business a money bag others are after.

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There is an episode of Seinfeld where Elaine finds out that the guy she's dating is a Marxist and he is the archetypal upper class, soft nerd pretending to be a working man revolutionary and all he accomplishes is getting Kramer fired from his job as Santa Claus at the mall by putting communist ideas in his head.

>> No.20796513

>>20796490
it's tv not real

>> No.20796587

Engels defines proletarians as propertyless wage workers, people without a reserve. Such people obviously ceased to exist a century ago.

>> No.20796601

>>20796490
trotskyist sm'h

>> No.20796603

>>20795953
In that sense I don't have a class conscience either. My ethnic conscience is way stronger. But I don't work for capitalists as I get hired by normal non-bourgoise home owners to fix their shit. I can't complain. If you don't live in the city, or any other community created by capitalists it is just an entirely different reality. Class consciousness doesnt exist here. You are either poor, or struggling just enough to not have to sell your house.

>>20796587
They make up the vast majority of the population. Go outside every now and then.

>> No.20796612

>>20796603
i was joking

>> No.20796624

>>20795847
being a communist is a practical task, you dont become one simply by stating that you are

>> No.20796694

>>20796624
Yeah, those people are driven by practical instincual self-interest, or by middle class decadence.

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>> No.20797628

>>20796624
>being a communist is a practical task
Is that how you define whining on Twitter?

>> No.20797696

Man & Technics completely BTFO marxism

>> No.20798830

why didnt he properly finishes the last chapters?
he rushed so hard even though part 2 was released later.

>> No.20798993

holy shit read some Marx you luddites

>> No.20800444

>>20792502
This is your brain on discord