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What would Tolkien think of American Tolkien?

>> No.20788744
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>>20788716
He didn’t care for Dune much. Didn’t understand it.

>> No.20788766

>>20788716
He'd rank it above Dune, below Dunsany and Eddison.
>>20788744
He understood Dune. It didn't have good worldbuilding.

>> No.20788796

>>20788766
>Tolkien would like Grrm

>> No.20788823

Brandon Sanderson?

>> No.20788835

>>20788796
He'd appreciate certain things like the genealogies, the history, the map, and the mysteries, etc.

>> No.20788838

>>20788716
He would despise it since it goes against everything he believed in. This anon >>20788744
makes a good point with Dune, it's the complete opposite of Tolkien's world.

>> No.20788841

>>20788835
Doubtful.

>> No.20788844

ERB already told us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAAp_luluo0

>> No.20788847

>>20788716
you already know:

"I did begin a story set about 100 years after the Downfall [of Sauron], but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice, and prosperity would become discontented and restless – while the dynasts descended form Aragorn would become just kings and governors – like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a ‘thriller’ about the plot and its discovery and overthrow – but it would be just that. Not worth doing.”
- J.R.R. Tolkien, on why he didn't write a Song of Ice and Fire

>> No.20788855

>>20788838
Except he liked plenty of fantasy and scifi that went against his philosophies. Voyage to Arcturus, Asimov's Foundation, Eddison, and Dunsany.

>> No.20788860

>>20788716
I don't think he would like AOIAF at all. It's fairly antithetical to everything Tolkien was going for in his work

>> No.20788920

>>20788716
ASOIAF is like an inferior Dune in a fantasy setting akin to LotR.

It's a peak American bugman creation and so obviously Tolkien would dislike it. I feel like while disliking, he still respected Dune. He wouldn't respect ASOIAF

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>>20788744
He understood it quite well, being one of the foremost professors of his time. What he disliked what was the allegory, the militant themes, the creating a God-Head, the crushing political philosophy and more.

Tolkien would hate GRRM, being a fat, childless lump of jewish flesh that makes a mockery of everything Tolkien would stand for.

>> No.20788994

What would he think of his British successors like Moorcock and Rowling?

>> No.20789007

>>20788940
>What he disliked what was the allegory
Never cared for his distaste for allegories
>jewish
Tolkien didn't hate Jews.

>> No.20789008

>>20788994
Dislike. Not good enough worldbuilding.

>> No.20789034

>>20788940
And whats so wrong with Paul’s political philosophy compared to Aragorn’s?

>>20789008
Just because you like the world building best, doesn’t mean he’d base all on that narrow category

>> No.20789244

>>20788716
He'd be like, "What's that stench?"

>> No.20789275

>>20788716
A catholic with slave morality would not appreciate George's master morality work.

>> No.20789331

>>20788841
So you haven’t read Tolkien.

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>>20788716
Like asking what would Walt Disney think of nu-Tranny-Disney. They don't even call him Buzz Lightyear anymore, he has a tranny name, they are using him to market plant-based meat now instead of Pizza Planet that had the PizzaBurger. Buzz was friends with Woody. Now he's just Trannyyear.
Walt Disney historically created propaganda against Hitler in World War I and II. You would think that by taking ownership of nu-Disney that it would fill them with madness just at the thought of it.

>> No.20789405

>>20788940
>the creating a God-Head
Herbert never did this, it's literally a fucking plot point. Tolkien did however, with all of his Eru bullshit.

>> No.20789434

Lots of people here haven’t read Tolkien.

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>>20788716
I don’t believe he read any Wolfe.

>> No.20789469

>>20788744
Would’ve Vance liked LOTR? I’m pretty sure he’s read it at one point.

>> No.20789478

>>20789275
Do you guys have nothing better to do than to project this meme for 4 days in a row? I’ve seen already to threads of this bullshit. Your not exactly affirming your life here in 4chan either.

>> No.20789624

>>20788716
He’d probably be deeply disgusted

>> No.20789970

>>20789463
I wonder what Tolkien would have thought of BOTNS

>> No.20790201

>>20789469
I don't see how someone with Vance's imagination and economy of writing would be impressed by LOTR.

>> No.20791013

>>20788716
>What an ugly fat ass.