/wg/ Writing General

[Anonymous No.20783599]

Birdcage hell edition

Previous thread: >>20773444

For General Writing
>The Rhetoric of Fiction, Booth
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway
>Steering the Craft, Le Guin
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>How Fiction Works, Wood

YouTube Playlists for Writing
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay Robert Butler
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc [Embed]

Technical Aspects of Writing
>Garner's Modern English Usage, Garner
>What Editors Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Editing, Ginna
>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, Tufte

Books Analyzing Literature
>Poetics, Aristotle
>Hero With a Thousand Faces, Campbell
>The Art Of Dramatic Writing: Its Basis in the Creative Interpretation of Human Motives, Egri
>The Weekend Novelist, Ray

Note to anyone posting a sample of your writing for critique:
>IF YOU HAVE NOT PERFORMED A CURSORY PROOFREAD, DO NOT EXPECT TO BE TREATED KINDLY. EDIT YOUR WORK FOR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR BEFORE POSTING.

Traditional Publishing
Pros:
>you get to focus mostly on writing
>you must write a proposal to the publishers and sell your story to them
>you make 10-15% profit max, but they also eat all the risk and the costs
>self publishing is basically like running your own company
>you only need to do some simple marketing and reach out to readers
Cons:
>you make 10-15% profit max
>self publishing you make 70%+
>they’ll still require you to do all the leg work of a self published author anyways

Finding Agents
>https://querytracker.net/join.php
>https://www.manuscriptwishlist.com/

Self Publishing Options
>https://archiveofourown.org/
>https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/
>https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/writinglife
>https://www.royalroad.com/
>https://www.scribblehub.com/
>https://www.wattpad.com/

Self Publishing How-To
>risky, but much more profitable
>you must pay for everything yourself
>if you do, you will spend more time on running a business than writing, but can be worth it
>https://selfpublishingwithdale.com/

Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, Mason

Anime Writing (^･o･^)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on26mKakgs [Embed]
>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-Story

For advertising
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg [Embed]

AI-generated book covers
>https://nightcafe.studio
>https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini
>https://app.wombo.art/
>https://penguin.jos.ht/
>https://beta.openai.com/playground

/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

Other forums
>https://reddit.com/r/writing
>https://writing.stackexchange.com/

[Anonymous No.20783614]

>go onto royalroad to check for updates on stories I'm reading
>18 notifications
>some guy replied thx to my first 13 chapters
thank you random person, I thought something weird had happened after getting so many notifications.

[Anonymous No.20783625]

>>20783599
The old thread haven’t even reach the bump limit.

[Anonymous No.20783637]

>>20783625
Yeah, you already whined about that. >>20783618
Do you need us to acknowledge your pain?

[Anonymous No.20783651]

When you're feeling down about how little your book is selling, just remember that "Moby Dick" was a failure in its time.
It didn't become popular until after the 100th anniversary of the author's birth.
Melville tried to make up for the commercial failure by following Moby Dick with a raunchy "urban shocker".
Seems like things stay the same, huh.

[Anonymous No.20783683]

>>20783651
How many Americans or other people in the world even sympathized with what Melville was writing on a deeper level, in his time? Sure there is a biblical allusion to Ahab that much is clear but he was hitting at a pessimistic theme regarding the Fall of Man that many English speakers didn't get exposed to until after Schopenhauer's work was translated years after it had already been published. I'm not pulling this out of nowhere I was reading this on the Melville Estate website, that is in that Melville and Schopenhauer had similar foundations to their ideas.
Personally I would say the Tower of Babel describes a similar think to the Whale (or the Will) but the Bible only mentions Babel and the spirit of Babylon a couple times so it's only a big idea in people with imagination.

[Anonymous No.20783737]

So, yeah, I like editing, uhh... What can I say? There's nothing like the rush of hunting grammatical errors down and KILLING 'em! I mean my heart's beatin', my heart's beatin', my hands are shakin', my hands are shakin', BUT I'M STILL EDITIN', AND I'M STILL GETTING PAID MINIMUM WAGE. IT'S LIKE BOOM, SUBJECT-VERB AGREEMENT! BOOM, WRONG FORM OF ITS! BOOM, THAT'S NOT WHAT A FUCKING SEMICOLON DOES!!!

[Anonymous No.20783773]

>>20783737
"I am going to use a double emdash and no one——" The editor begins to choke anon.

[Anonymous No.20783783]

Have you guys learned the power of marketing yet?

[Anonymous No.20783784]

>>20783773
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end of rine
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[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20783808]

>>20783737
You are the hero this city deserves.

[Anonymous No.20783841]

>>20783599
Old thread hadn't even reached the bump limit.

[Anonymous No.20783843]

Normies and the internet have utterly ruined sincere storytelling and I'm so utterly tired of pretending that they haven't. The corny ethos of the mainstream internet, combined with the take over of ironic meme culture, the cringe culture of the mid 2010s and the ironic ethos surrounding media that dissuades any thoughtful and in depth analysis has all combined to ruin any sincere storytelling. The 90s is when this first started popping up in large numbers, and it was only exacerbated since then.
You have terms now like
>"Edgy." Implying most artwork isn't transgressive.
>"Self-serious." Implying stories aren't supposed to take themselves seriously.
I'm so fucking tired of it all. I'm so tired of looking at storytelling through so many different layers of ironic detachment. I'm tired of people looking at the world like this. Nobody wants to be impacted by anything. People don't care about fucking ANYTHING. All that people want is to glorify themselves and get their cocks sucked.

[Anonymous No.20783854]

>>20783843
Pal I'm sorry your thread got nuked but please don't bring the janitors here to nuke us too.

[Anonymous No.20783866]

>>20783783
Enough, meerkat.
We already know who you are.
And shill-spamming isn't marketing.

[Anonymous No.20783876]

>>20783843
Well, sure.
The Internet made it possible for people to draw attention to themselves directly.
Social media amplified that.
That's just how it is now.
But moping about how the world just isn't what you want it to be anymore isn't going to accomplish anything.
In short...go to bed, grandpa. It's later than you think.

[Anonymous No.20783880]

I'm writing!

[Anonymous No.20783884]

A story of mine got accepted for publication!

[Anonymous No.20783887]

>>20783884
congrats

[Anonymous No.20783894]

>>20783884
Which of the big 5?

[Anonymous No.20783908]

>>20783884
good work anon.

[Anonymous No.20783912]

>>20783884
Please don’t tell me it was some non big publisher and you just got scammed

[Anonymous No.20783924]

>>20783843
Maybe I am thinking too lofty for what I know but I hope my writing can cultivate some momentum toward some other mode of writing. I bet there's some sincerity looking in the right magazines at lit fic but that's what like 1% of the book market these days? I don't have a fully coherent view since I'm not a philosopher or anything but all I can do is just speak my voice and if I'm tapping into some greater understanding so be it. Some themes that reoccur in my writing and outlines so far are the death of sarcasm (not that it is dead but that I find it old-hat) but also anti-intellectualism in general, which I prefer to call obstinacy because the latter term has a pejorative ring to it.

[Anonymous No.20783938]

>>20783887
>>20783908
thank you anons

>>20783894
>>20783912
It was just a short story, not a manuscript or anything. I do get paid though which is nice

[Anonymous No.20783944]

What are some good journals to submit poetry to? I got rejected a bunch a while back and sort of lost my nerve to write, but I'm trying to get back into it and I'm looking to see if I can submit my new works anywhere and maybe get a confidence boost that could help out with my writing.

[Anonymous No.20783949]

>>20783884
Nice. Was it genre fiction?

[Anonymous No.20783980]

>>20783938
Didn’t answer my question. Which of the big 5?

[Anonymous No.20783987]

>>20783949
It got accepted by a literary journal but it has elements of horror

>>20783980
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[Anonymous No.20784039]

>>20783987
>has elements of horror
how much?
I wanted to get published by a local publisher but they said "no scifi" and even though it has scifi because of nanomachines, I never focus on or fully explain the technology and not constantly adding in science terms so I feel like I could argue with them on it.

[Anonymous No.20784073]

Anyone have an online list or something of all the genre conventions for each genre?

[Anonymous No.20784094]

>>20784039
The story's use of horror is pretty explicit, but so is its use of literary techniques. In your case it sounds like they don't like sci-fi period, like it's a taste thing, so you're probably out of luck there. Try submit somewhere else though!

[Anonymous No.20784115]

>>20784073

[Anonymous No.20784116]

>>20784115
why did you have to remind me of this

[Anonymous No.20784125]

>>20784115
anon it's ok the genre boogie man isn't going to eat your prose just because you use a few common themes from the universal playbook

[Anonymous No.20784145]

Ignore the underlining I still need to figure out exactly whatever it is a sysadmin does

[Anonymous No.20784222]

>>20783599
I'm having a hard time capturing pain. How do you write pain effectively?

[Anonymous No.20784230]

>>20784145
You write SQL queries, not code

[Anonymous No.20784250]

>>20784222
Experience it you pussy.

[Anonymous No.20784252]

>>20784230
Yeah honestly I'll have to talk to my CS major roommate from last year about it, the only languages I know are R and LaTeX and I actually have no idea what sysadmins do

[Anonymous No.20784258]

>>20783737
>>20783808
this thread is for writers

[Anonymous No.20784260]

>>20784250
I'm not getting sliced into half-living chunks by a machine just to write my shitty horror novel

[Anonymous No.20784265]

>>20784258
i'll have you know i'm the foremost author of the modern era

[Anonymous No.20784270]

>>20784260
Just shoot yourself with a nail gun retard. I'm sorry but there's no other way.

[Anonymous No.20784276]

>>20784260
Longer form horror seems particularly difficult to write. How do you keep your foot on the tension?

[Anonymous No.20784280]

>>20784276
He doesn't. If he did he wouldn't be asking how to describe pain.

[Anonymous No.20784354]

>>20784222
What kind of pain?

[Anonymous No.20784365]

>>20784276
Between Two Fires did it by introducing a new monster/terror for our protags to deal with on the way to their end goal. Sort of "monster of the week".

[Anonymous No.20784382]

I'm making the jump from fanfic to original content lads

Can I still use a fantasy European early modern to medieval setting or nah

[Anonymous No.20784389]

>>20783651
I'll give it to you straight, anon.
I write purely so people whose writing I like will have coffee/tea/alcohol/a Discord chat with me either for clout (unrealistic) or because they consider me just interesting enough to give me a single hour of their time once.

[Anonymous No.20784393]

Even my suicide "letter" is so dry.

>I have a suicide fetish, Disco Elysium solidified this morbid taste for willingly going into the eternal void. It's not a fetish in which the aftermath matters, there is no meaningful aftermath, no memory nor thought. Instead, a rejection of self preservation along with the awareness of the reality of the situation. A feeling like no other.
>In the past, my suicide attempts have lacked passion and true commitment to the idea. No doubt, a product of my mental illness. So prone to attention seeking behavior and victimization.

>The methods I used were all ones in which the cards want you to survive, poisoning, cutting. More of an inspirational reminder than any serious voyage.

>This time will be different. Death is the one thought that hides beneath all others, conditions like mine simply do away with the bushes. Before NYE, I will attempt suicide, a final attempt. No doubt I'll succeed. No shortage of ways to go about this.
>A gun. Corrosive and dangerous acid. Electricity. Fire.
>No shortage of cues.

[Anonymous No.20784396]

>>20784393
It's pretentious. You don't talk like this, so why write like it?

[Anonymous No.20784397]

>>20784396
I talk like that, that's the worst part.

[Anonymous No.20784401]

>>20784397
No you don't. You never have and you never will.

[Anonymous No.20784409]

>>20784401
I do, I'm not welcomed in any social circle, I have made zero attempts to reconcile.
All that I make is pretentious and vapid. I'll never be a good writer. Remember the game I wanted to write, I am done. I give up, I can't write. What was I even thinking? Do I regret this? Partly. Can I do anything about it? No.
I can't, I won't.
I want to fucking die, anon. Everyone is better than me, here, out there, everywhere. Talentless fucking cunt, no reason to exist at all.

[Anonymous No.20784416]

>>20784409
>>20784393
OK.
Real fucking talk?
If you're done with life and writing is the only thing you wanna do you might as well take a shitload of drugs before you commit toasterbath.
There's a small but real chance it'll reset your brain to the point you can write again.

[Anonymous No.20784422]

>>20784416
>Real fucking talk?
no niggers

[Anonymous No.20784438]

>>20784416
Reset my life? There's no talent to be discovered, I am what the brain is and that's all I am ever going to be.
I was born without any trace of talent, I feel disgusting, I want to shit on my iwn fucking corpse because I am nothing.
I really shouldn't mind dying and not being an artist but it gets to me, everyone has the urge, I know I have it. But I don't have the skill, I am a primal being, can barely be called a person, I renounce my human rights, a fucking animal, not out of fucking place on some tundra, that's what I am, fuck eat sleep sex sex die, nothing more. Artist delision only ends up hurting me, I am an argument for lobotomy to be reworked and developed and perfected.

TOO SMART TO BE A COMPLETE ANIMAL

TOO IDIOTIC TO BE HUMAN

ANIMAL FUCKING BRAIN RAPIST MIND
I WOULD EAT AND RAPE MYSELF
5000 YEARS AGO
ON THE EMPTY HOPELESS SAVANNA

[Anonymous No.20784455]

>>20784409
Dude why do you like disco Elysium so much? It's fucking awful. I downloaded it after reading about it after seeing you hail it as this great thing a few dozen threads ago and it's a boring pretentious piece of shit. The writing isn't good. I mean it's a video game so idk what I expected but it's just ripping off other works that are actually subversive, interesting, gritty, etc.

You should start by reading actual books if you want to write books. Start with the Greeks etc. you'll get better if you keep writing. Pretend you have a million words of shit that you need to drain out of your body before you get to the good stuff and write every day until you hit that word count

[Anonymous No.20784457]

Writing requires meaningful thoughts, complexity of mind, resolve and talent.
I can reason, mere mimicry of a person but I know I think.
I am not complex enough to write and be good at it, I wanted to do this. I read, so why can't I write?

If it's all bullshit and there's only willpower, then I am clearly too basi and stupid to do it, I wasted my life, I'll kill myaelf in 4 months.
I hate myself my life my parents 22 years of waiting and nothing came out of it, I have the same level of legacy as the day I was born, nothing.

[Anonymous No.20784470]

>>20784455
What works would you say the game rips off?

[Anonymous No.20784477]

And this animal thing, this wendigo person that I am, to think me out of all people, had a cripling fear of death
What have I done with life?
What have I said? Composed? Painted?
What am I? Why? Why do I care so much if i live or die why?
Whats so great about being me? If you were to ask me that 5 years ago, lie after lie, eventually, I have at least one good novel in me, one good painting, Ill get it on a wall and they will see it know my name

Eventually Ill rot on the fucking ground with my name meaning nothing, zero.
I suck at everything, why do I even care?
>>20784455
Ive read actual books, I dont have tome to become good, even of I had it. I simply cant do it, my genes are suited for absolutely nothing, Im a parasite, resource leech. Do the earth a favor I should blow my brains out, atone for 22 years of waste.

[Anonymous No.20784585]

>>20784396
I don’t think you understand formality.

[Anonymous No.20784588]

Day 53 editing
Chapter 71 toight
Libre adaption almost comprete

[Anonymous No.20784649]

What time of day do you guys usually write at?

Fo some reason I find writing at night most inspiring. Since it'll be the last thing I do before bed, there's no pressure to distract me. I tried writing in the day but it usually bears unsatisfying work.

Should I continue this habit or is there a better alternative you guys wanna recommend?

[Anonymous No.20784680]

>>20784649
This is based on a mix of personal experience and reading a LOT about writing:
-Outline outside and ideally away from home
-Write at night

Strictly avoid writing actual story shit during the day. Only outline what you're going to write.
This helps with ensuring your brain produces fresh ideas constantly and when you settle down to sleep narrows down into a fine point when you get it all off your chest.
Do not be ashamed to be the insufferable faggot retard that sits in a coffee shop jotting down notes into an actual book.
It unironically helps.

[Anonymous No.20784791]

>>20784680
Appreciate this, Anon.

[Anonymous No.20784830]

>>20784354
Visceral pain.

[Anonymous No.20784947]

I want to shill my book here, but I also don't want to be an insufferable faggot who uses a tripcode, so I guess I await reviewanon getting to one of my books.

[Anonymous No.20784956]

>>20784416
>reset your brain
Real life isn't Disco Elysium

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20784990]

>>20784393
Even a suicide couldn't get people to trudge through this garbage.
Kill yourself and leave a videotape behind instead. Your family has suffered enough, please do them that one kindness.

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20785006]

>>20784649
If I don't have to work.
give it a few hours when I first wake up.
Take a break. Play some games, do chores, eat, whatever.
Around noon give it a few more hours, then fuck around until it's time for bed.
While in bed read over what I've written that day, make small changes, and maybe write a little more until I'm ready to sleep.

This is the ultimate way to do.

If I do have to work.
Wake up, work, think about writing all day, sit down to write when I get home and force some words out. Sometimes I don't have it in me.

Fuck capitalism.

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20785014]

>>20785006
I try to write 1000 words with each writing session, twice a day if I can. Sometimes I go over that goal.
My main goal is 10,000 new words a week, but don't slack on the editing.

[Anonymous No.20785049]

>>20784649
After 5:30 when get home from work. On weekends it might be 10 to 12 hours starting at 8AM or earlier.
>>20784094
Deconstructing the science makes the society in the story seem less idyllic and more preprogrammed which is against the impression I wanted. Instead I have started showing things first as mysterious but hanging a flag on it so people know it's not a mistake and then later hint at how it works (like breathing underwater, or putting on eyes).
I have read a lot of scifi in my time and even science texts to convince myself of certain things for my story but I when I write certain scientific terms it doesn't feel right to me. I wrote some paragraphs explaining how nanomachines would do their thing and then threw it into another document. I do have some short stories set in scientific labs and I get really specific on the instrumentation and observations but that's it.

[Anonymous No.20785089]

>>20785049
Regardless of whether your story is hard scifi or not, it isn't worth arguing the point with a publisher. Just go publish somewhere else where you can strike the balance you want between scifi and lit.

[Anonymous No.20785091]

>>20785089
I will.

[Anonymous No.20785122]

>>20779085
>https://drive.proton.me/urls/81KDMH0S3W#LOHN36SjqoCB
wanting to get this out there in this thread. ive been thinking about doing a series of these, but i think i need a deadline to actually finish anything. under the pictured anon's advice, ive submitted both the previous and this current draft to &amp, and even if Mr. Editor really just just accept anything, it would give me at least a feeling of needing to finish it by a certain time. any and all feedback is appreciated.

[Anonymous No.20785124]

>>20784990
I'll rape and kill you.

[Anonymous No.20785135]

Got almost 1.7k substack followers and 72 paid subscribers. Is this the beginning of something beautiful?

[Anonymous No.20785162]

Why can't I write? Why do I have zero talent? Why?

[Anonymous No.20785178]

>>20785124
He's right. Get over yourself. Who cares about whether you're a Great Talent who will change history. Nothing you're saying about your worthlessness would make sense to anyone who isn't a similarly self-obsessed narcissist. Just read interesting things and expand your world beyond the dingy little cell of yourself. Read a fucking Dickens book, read a history of Babylonian daily life, read about 1930s bootlegger escapades. You're not a pathetic worthless subhuman, at least any more than the rest of us. All you are is lazy, because you can't be bothered to look up at anything else around you, and you're content to instead obsess over the little scrap of dirt beneath you as if it were your whole world and the profound truth of your existence.

[Anonymous No.20785196]

>>20785178
I still can't write, fucker.
I can't do it, all my attempts have been horrible, had to eat the previous one.
I want to do it. I want it.

[Anonymous No.20785233]

>>20785135
That's really good, well done!

[Anonymous No.20785238]

>>20785135
Nice. If you can get more subs and retain them that will be pretty "made it" territory in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.20785239]

>>20785162
>>20785196
do it anyway. just write. let other people read/proofread. pick and choose what advice others give. and eventually submit for publishing. the point is to write, not to be "good"

[Anonymous No.20785255]

>>20785239
Have you read the two bullshit posts I wrote here? The first one got me laughed at and now this, I am getting ready for my suicide attempt. There's no use, I don't have talent.

[Anonymous No.20785263]

>>20784393
Ugh. You again.
You're obviously not going to kys.
You're just a drama queen.
Go take your drama elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.20785265]

>Replying to that guy

[Anonymous No.20785269]

>>20785263
Why can't I write? Why do I have no talent?
>>20785265
Answer me

[Anonymous No.20785283]

>>20784393
so, a couple recs.
Don't start referencing a more interesting thing. You made me want to replay the game instead of reading it, which I'm sure isn't your goal in a suicide letter.
Also don't start a personal thing by referencing a product. If I wanted to be mean I'd assume you don't have a personality, just a list of products you've consumed to define yourself. But you're just protecting your personal feelings by putting already defined personal depictions in the way, and a suicide note isn't really the time to hide your personal feelings.

[Anonymous No.20785301]

>>20785283
I might be an empty sociopathic shell.
Could that be why I can't write for shit?
Just help me out. Have you read the other abortion I shat out weeks ago?
Fuck.
I'll never be able to make my game, it won't even compare to Disco Elysium.

[Anonymous No.20785329]

>>20785301
it's just clearly not sincere. You start being a basic bitch, which is what you are, you accept it and try to understand how things got that way. Then you question why you chose that explanation and not another, you try to define what parts you're ignoring or stealing pre-made justifications and why. Once you feel you've hit a realization that wrecks you and only you, you develop it trying to make it understandable to others. Maybe guiding the reader from a basic normal spot to where you're at, replicating the proces you took, creating a compatible scenario and twisting it into your position, or whatever. I believe that's the proper way to write your suicide note.

[Anonymous No.20785357]

>>20785329
There's no realization, I can't write this.
I'm only killing myself out of boredom and failing to do art. It's that simple, I don't see why it would need a detailed letter.
TELL ME FUCKER HOW CAN I BE A GOOD WRITER?

[Anonymous No.20785364]

Something seriously wrong with that guy

[Anonymous No.20785367]

>>20785357
why would you be a good writer if you don't have anything to say?

[Anonymous No.20785368]

>>20785357
i said it here >>20785239
just keep doing it. it doesnt matter if it sucks. you keep doing it, you keep changing it, eventually you get gud. just fucking do it.

[Anonymous No.20785375]

>>20785364
No, something is seriously wrong with all the retards giving him attention.

[Anonymous No.20785376]

>>20785301
The only solution is to read more and more sensitively.

[Anonymous No.20785379]

>>20785375
This.

[Anonymous No.20785383]

>>20785364
Yeah. He needs an editor...

[Anonymous No.20785385]

>>20785367
I do have things to say, I won't post them now due to them being very unique if I become a writer, my toxic personality is not one I want tied to any future me.

Maybe I'm too visual for writing, the medium is limited, it lacks colour. Movies. If I could make movies that would be amazing, I really think that could be my medium, playing with shits and such, but a game is the second best thing.
>>20785368
I need more, proper guide, a plan, a breakdown, measurements, expected progress rates.
>>20785376
Same as above, please.

[Anonymous No.20785421]

Report and hide

[Anonymous No.20785422]

Now that editor's shown up. It's a fucking circus in here.

[Jeo No.20785429]

See?

[Anonymous No.20785441]

>>20784222
on pain - daudet

tl;dr: you can't describe pain. you have to write around it and describe how it feels in negative. you build up around it until the shape of the pain is shown in contrast like a footprint in snow.

[Anonymous No.20785444]

I don't know if you're here egregore-anon, but I'm still waiting on my box of books to get my PO box, hope you kept the copy for me.

[Anonymous No.20785445]

>>20784396
“I write differently from what I speak, I speak differently from what I think, I think differently from the way I ought to think, and so it all proceeds into deepest darkness.”
― Franz Kafka

aka shut up

[Anonymous No.20785446]

I am a real life Bateman, I am empty and void of any true personality. A basic personality, never developed further than my natural instincts, prebuilt existence. If
I had the resources to flesh out and enjoy my cravings, I would never ever consider art, no, I'd be engaging in some very exclusive things, it's who I am. But I don't.

How can I be a good writer /wg/? I want to make my game.

[Jeo No.20785450]

>be in pain
>write about pain
When the learn etymology sound effects and social redundancy the smug attacks. :7

[Anonymous No.20785453]

>>20784457
is this woman aware that the colour of her jumper matches, exactly, the colour of her drink? it seems an incredible coincidence.

[Anonymous No.20785468]

>>20785135
shill it to me post a link

[Anonymous No.20785480]

>>20785446
I know who I am, I am all raw nerve. Foucault, eat your heart out. If I had the chance. Just the appeal of the taboo.
I want to be a good writer, because I want to be good, it's that simple. /wg/ tell me how, in great detail.

[Anonymous No.20785587]

>>20785480
Writing can't be taught or distilled to a single sentence. It's an art that must be learned through diligence and practice. It isn't an engineering formula that has a known solution. It isn't a code block which must be written in a specific way to score correctly with an autoscorer. It isn't a matrix that can be reduced to the identity matrix for easy solutions. There is no textbook with answers, no unique physics approach, no change of basis trick, no github or stackoverflow solution, no unit analysis, black box solver, or predictable probability distribution that will make you a good writer. It takes time, effort, and study. If you want to be a good writer, you read and you write. You hone your craft by thinking, writing, editing, reading, and participating in continual refinement of your work. It takes years. There are no shortcuts. There isn't a formula for "compelling, realistic characters who are grounded and breathe" that will make your writing truly good, despite what all those infographics purportedly claim. I'll say it one more time: Writing. Must. Be. Learned. It cannot be taught. There is no fast and hard solution which you can get from one, a hundred, or even 1 million 4chan posts. This advice is as good as it's going to get.
Now stop moping. If you keep complaining after I finally gave up and spelled out reality for you, you're a lost cause who doesn't care about writing, but about being a writer and living the "literary lifestyle" and having all your fans line up to suck your dick.

[Anonymous No.20785610]

So how many of you are fakey-fake bullshit "writers" who actually use these new-fangled AI to write your shit for you?

[Anonymous No.20785617]

>>20785610
I don't even let the computer do spellchecking for me.

[Anonymous No.20785624]

>>20785617
I don't even use a dictionary or thesaurus newer than the one's my great grandpappy gifted to me that were printed in 1851.

[Anonymous No.20785626]

>>20785587
So, read and write with actual intent and focus. But what? Things that appeal to me only?

[Anonymous No.20785641]

My novel's currently undergoing the sixth of an estimated nine revisions. Hoping to get them all done by the end of the year and then self-publish in 2024. This will be my last book.

[Anonymous No.20785652]

>>20785626
why would you want a good topic when people don't want to see your writing? first you get better at it, then you find a niche if you didn't find one in the way.

[Anonymous No.20785658]

>>20785610
I only use AI for cooming but sometimes I'll throw a passage of mine into it just out of curiosity to see how it continues it with its algorithm, never used anything it spit out though.
The most I "use" is actually using it as a ghetto encyclopedia, eg:
"The social classes of the middle ages are thus:
-King
-Duke
-
"
And see what it generates, even if it's not always accurate.

[Anonymous No.20785669]

>>20785658
I used Novel AI's best model to write a college research paper on Bipolar Disorder and got a 98.

[Anonymous No.20785671]

>>20785658
What AI is good for this coomer activity?

[Anonymous No.20785680]

>>20785669
Damn, I wish I was still in school. I hadn't thought about how AI could do your assignments. That's going to fuck over academia.

[Anonymous No.20785681]

>>20785671
There's two. Sudowrite uses the best model available but it's expensive. And then there's Novel AI which is cheaper but requires more wrangling because it's a less expansive model, but it's still very capable if you're a semi-competent writer.

IMO it's best to use it to fill in gaps or brainstorm and don't be afraid to edit or redo.

[Anonymous No.20785683]

>>20785671
NovelAI is probably the best for cooming, but it costs money to use, check /aids/ on /vg/ if you want to learn about all the options.
>>20785669
Not sure I believe you but funny if true

[Anonymous No.20785714]

>>20785680
Yeah it's pretty funny. All I did was make sure it didn't derail into brother/sister incest and then ran it through a plagiarism checker before submitting it.

>>20785680
Yeah it's a little spooky.

[Anonymous No.20785722]

>>20785422
>Now that editor's shown up, it's a fucking circus in here!

removed frag.

[Anonymous No.20785756]

>>20784649
Night time. I'll write past midnight and then edit it in the morning.

[Anonymous No.20785757]

>>20785641
Why so many revisions, how long is it? How many hours a week can you put into it?
>last book
Are you going to another medium or what?

[Anonymous No.20785777]

>>20785610
Can you even publish anything from an AI? There are, I imagine, no guarantees that it has not lifted a passage directly from another book, or that a passage it generates for you will not be generated for someone else too. It seems like a copyright nightmare.

[Anonymous No.20785787]

>>20785777
Plagiarism is not as legally enforceable as you seem to think it is.

[Anonymous No.20785795]

>>20785777
Yeah, AI can't hold copyright, and they don't pull words or sentences directly from the works in it's database.

It all works by turning words and syllables into tokens and within the context given, uses math to randomly determine what the next most likely token in the sentence should be, because language is just math.

Ex "Trevor ate his grandma's apple"
The next word could be "tree" or "core" or "seed" but given the context, it'll probly return "pie".

[Anonymous No.20785818]

>>20785122
Skimming over again it doesn't look like you took any of my advice last time, which is fine, but I still feel the same - 9y needs more experiential description/in-scene time/"showing" and some dialogue.

For example when the chef directs MC to a mechanic we are told how overworked old, and chill the chef is - why not have a scene in the alley behind the restaurant where we see his crusty grease stained aa they pass a blunt back and forth between like 5 lines of dialogue explaining boats issues and ending with him writing some mechanic guy's phone number on a napkin?

That's just an example of course but it's the grounding I would need as a reader to stay interested.

[Anonymous No.20785835]

>>20785777
it's not really a nightmare. The basic fallback interpretation is that it is copyright infringement and any author who gets caught using an AI that isn't entirely based on public domain writing will be held accountable for it. Maybe someday somebody will bring to court a compelling case as to how an AI training data set of copyrighted material doesn't constitute infringement, but you'd have to get a court to fall against copyright holders, something they rarely do as copyright is constitutionally guaranteed in an extremely vague way.

[Anonymous No.20785853]

>>20785835
There's only so many ways to write "Trevor ate his grandma's apple pie".

You can't copyright that. You can only copyright that entirety of the events that lead up to and proceed after your MC gyrates her hips in front of a pack of werewolves, but not the gyrating itself.

[Anonymous No.20785903]

>>20785853
It doesn't matter how transformative it is. An AI model doesn't extract pure concepts out of a piece of literature, the training data is transformed via algorithm into generated text. Using copyrighted training data is exactly the same, legally, as playing somebody else's song with different lyrics written for it. It does not matter if you cannot unwind the generated text into the training data, and because of that you can probably get away with it.

[Anonymous No.20785915]

>>20785787
>Plagiarism is not as legally enforceable
you make $20 and nobody will care
you make $3,000,000 and you'll be in court for the next 50 years

[Anonymous No.20785929]

>>20785915
I don't think Tolkien's estate has any legal standing to sue someone who made a million dollars writing a book using GPT-3 just because GPT-3 has LoTR in it.

[Anonymous No.20785936]

I need to learn writing fully into it, there's no taking the parts you care about, right?
I care about characters and dialogue, if I could be good at that, I don't care about the rest but I need the rest to het to that point, right?
Writing is not my passion, I just wanted my game to feature dialogue, and good one. Core ideas and themes are solid but the rest, not so much.

I'm too visual for this medium, literature is not my passion, it's a tool I need.

[Anonymous No.20785941]

>>20785936
What the fuck is this post?

[Anonymous No.20785953]

>>20785364
Just an attention whore, by the second time he showed up and I tried to give him advice I realized he doesn't want to write. He wants to make excuses about why he can't write.
>boo hoo I'm 22 and I'm not a world renowned author yet.
Fuck off, I'm 23, I've been living with crippling backpain for almost 8 years now and I just started writing a couple weeks ago. Just fucking write something. If you don't like it try again, try try try.
Also he is a waifufag for Rhea Seahorn.

[Anonymous No.20785958]

>>20785941
the start of self-loathing schizo hours in /wg/
just close the tab

[Anonymous No.20785973]

>>20785610
https://www.theverge.com/c/23194235/ai-fiction-writing-amazon-kindle-sudowrite-jasper

[Anonymous No.20785982]

>>20785973
I bet you think people that use photoshop are real "artists" too.

[Anonymous No.20785988]

>>20785941
I'm asking if there's any way to isolate the aspect of writing I give a shit about.
>>20785953
Why do you yhink I don't want to improve? I can't. Remember the first paragraph I posted here?

[Anonymous No.20785994]

>>20785988
If your post is any indication of your writing ability, you should give up altogether. Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.20786003]

>>20785994
Which one? I'm in a hurry right now.

[Anonymous No.20786009]

>>20785915
They can do that to you even if you didn't plagiarise because they are fishing for a settlement.

[Anonymous No.20786023]

Do anyone of you monetize your writing in any way? I'm considering releasing what I've written in chapters serially and opening a patreon.

[Anonymous No.20786031]

>>20786023
My books are for sale on Amazon, yes.

Nobody paying their rent off Patreon is going to admit to it here, given the proclivity of some people to review bomb a series because of politics.

[Anonymous No.20786066]

>>20785446
We can't tell you how to be a good writer.
You can pay a college tens of thousands of dollars to try to teach you to be a good writer.
Stop trying to get it for free.
And stop your whine-spamming already!

[Anonymous No.20786075]

why this nigga sound like he's rapping

[Anonymous No.20786082]

>>20785587
Instant meme. Thank you!
>>20785626
Most people who want to write do so because they have something to say.
If you don't have anything to say, why do you want to be writer?

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20786087]

>>20785936
>I'm too visual for this medium, literature is not my passion, it's a tool I need.
Then hire a writer you stupid shit.

[Anonymous No.20786094]

>>20785929
You are not a lawyer.

[Anonymous No.20786106]

>>20786087
No, thanks.
>>20786082
I have things, yes. I just think about them as visuals first and then words, the former is simple compared to writing.

[Anonymous No.20786107]

>>20785988
>Remember the first paragraph I posted here?
No. You are completely forgettable.
All I notice is a flood of whine-spamming.
Why do you think anyone here cares about your first-world problems?

[Anonymous No.20786115]

>>20786106
Then draw comics, or visual novels, or something, freaking whine-spammer.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if you turned out to be the shill-spammer.

[Anonymous No.20786135]

>>20786115
I want to make a mostly dialogue focused game.

[Anonymous No.20786140]

Is it bad writing if something random happens? Like a character is driving somewhere but he's delayed by a golf ball hitting his car and him staying to deal with this matter and because he's late things move along differently from what would've happened if he had been on time.

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20786141]

>>20785587
>fixed
Cock sucking can't be taught or distilled to a single sentence. It's an art that must be learned through diligence and practice. It isn't an engineering formula that has a known solution. It isn't a code block which must be written in a specific way to score correctly with an autoscorer. It isn't a matrix that can be reduced to the identity matrix for easy solutions. There is no textbook with answers, no unique physics approach, no change of basis trick, no github or stackoverflow solution, no unit analysis, black box solver, or predictable probability distribution that will make you a good writer. It takes time, effort, and study. If you want to be a good cock sucker, you stroke and you suck. You hone your craft by sucking, sucking, sucking, sucking, and sucking some more, participating in continual refinement of your work. It takes years. There are no shortcuts. There isn't a formula for "compelling, orgasmic motions that are grounded and breathe" that will make your cock sucking truly good, despite what all those infographics purportedly claim. I'll say it one more time: COCK SUCKING. Must. Be. Learned. It cannot be taught. There are only fast and hard solutions which you can get from one, a hundred, or even 1 million dicks. This advice is as good as it's going to get.
Now stop moping. If you keep complaining after I finally gave up and spelled out reality for you, you're a lost cause who doesn't care about sucking cock, but about being a faggot and living the "greek lifestyle" and having all your fans line up to get their dicks sucked.

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20786154]

>>20786140
No it's only bad if the screen splits and the episode shows both possibilities at once and in one of them Hal almost bowls a 300.

[Anonymous No.20786165]

>>20786140
i don't think a golf ball hitting a car is extreme
if the protagonist can't escape his prison cell but then finds a key, that can be extreme
so, i think it depends on the context

[Anonymous No.20786179]

>>20786165
It was already established in the first third of the book that the specific route he takes goes past a golf course and I thought it'd be neat to make use of this element somehow.

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20786187]

>>20786179
Just do it, faggot.
Actually, can you explain why you think it might be a bad idea? Because I don't understand the uncertainty with this one.

[Anonymous No.20786188]

>>20786179
You'd just need to allude to it ahead of time. Rule of 3 and the payoff is the 3rd event.

[Anonymous No.20786195]

>>20786140
Generally speaking, if the random event helps the protagonist, it's considered cheating.
If the random event works against the protagonist, that tends to be accepted.
Too many random setbacks and your protag becomes a cosmic plaything, which will need an explanation.

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20786219]

>>20786195
>Generally speaking, if the random event helps the protagonist, it's considered cheating.

Terrible advice.
Don't listen to this anon he has no idea what he is talking about.
Randomly getting hit by a golf ball out of a golf course that had been mentioned previously and somehow fixing all the protagonists problems would be pretty sweet.

Like, it causes him to jerk the wheel and hit another car belonging to a beautiful woman who will now change his life.

Or the insurance money from suing the golf course fixes his credit card debt.

Whatever, its cool if it is written well.

[Anonymous No.20786229]

>>20786188
rule of 3 is about setting a pattern,the thing you want to say is 3 act structure. It's not the same and it's not the only possible dramatic structure.

did you learn this shit from a youtube video or something?

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20786230]

>>20786219
Or showing up late causes him to be put into position to stop a robbery at his bank job. Thus he becomes a hero and his lonely loser life style changes.
I have no idea what the fuck your story is about but you get the point.

[Anonymous No.20786234]

>>20786219
Most trolls aren't tripfags. How can you not figure this out?
Also, succeeding by chance is one of the things that made Harry Potter so unsatisfying.

[Anonymous No.20786241]

>>20786229
I know what I said and mean what I said.

If he wants a golfball to fuck the guy's day up later on, he needs to first establish
>MC has to drive past a golf course
>That he doesn't like doing it because they're drunk and inconsiderate louts who take more chunks out of the grass than they hit clean drives (ie that their aim is bad)
and then
>that his car gets hit

[Anonymous No.20786242]

>>20786187
It's a completely random event that impacts the plot. Characters motivations don't factor into it so it just feels odd. But sometimes things just happen I guess.

[Anonymous No.20786255]

>>20786234
chance not being questioned is the issue.
Most stories include a certain degree of chance, if everything is a perfect clockwork it feels fake and unrealistic. The problem with HP is that shit just happens unrelated to 90% of the novel and everyone is like "woah, he's so cool!"

[Anonymous No.20786257]

>>20786241
The MC driving past the golf course is established. I do have a character who would fit the "drunk and inconsiderate" mold as well and having him be the one swinging the club might make it all come together.
I'll try that, thanks.

[Anonymous No.20786265]

>>20786241
This makes no sense. He could get his car hit and then find out this is a regular occurence. Those events don't need to follow a set up logic, set up doesn't need set up.

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20786305]

>>20786234
So you are a troll who said something retarded on purpose?
Cool, glad we straightened that out.

>>20786242
Yeah that doesn't matter. Granted, if you do that kind of thing too often it can get a little stale but with what you've said so far it seems fine.

[Anonymous No.20786355]

I realized the secret to good writing. I decided to write my story, no outline, no nothing. And I wrote the entire beginning. And I realized it was absolutely garbage. But you know what? I know WHY it's garbage and I know how to write the beginning of a story now. That's the secret. Just write it knowing it will be crap, to learn from the crap.

[Anonymous No.20786364]

>>20786265
You can do whatever the fuck you want, but I'm telling you it works better my way. Premise A plus Premise B gives Result C, therefor the reader had the pieces of the puzzle and knew it could happen, but you surprise them with WHEN it happens.

[Sange !Fde5Qjfb5g No.20786382]

>>20786355
This post reeks of a failure and desperation.
Anon's cracking up.

[Anonymous No.20786392]

>>20786382
One who fears failure will never become a writer. You will forever be stuck writing your beginning, afraid to fail as you are destined to fail in the beginning.

[Anonymous No.20786465]

>>20786305
At least you openly demonstrated your midwit nature.
Now >>20786140 knows how much credibility to give your advice.

[Anonymous No.20786488]

>>20786355
>Just write it knowing it will be crap, to learn from the crap.
Yeah, I think you should always finish a book.
Your first few books will be crap.
Brando Sando wrote 13 books before he got published.
Finishing a book is good practice no matter how bad it is. Your prose will improve by the time you finish and you're that much ahead for your next book.

[Anonymous No.20786542]

>writing past tense novel
>keep slipping into the present tense
Should I take this as a sign to change tenses or just keep an eye out and correct as I go along? Is the present tense truly just a shitty YA gimmick?

[Anonymous No.20786546]

>>20786542
just write more

[Anonymous No.20786553]

Is there a limit to how ridiculous the antagonist can get when writing a non-comedic story? Is there a point where the reader’s suspension of belief snaps and they can’t take the story seriously anymore?

For example, a hypothetical antagonist
>Blonde haired blue eyed white man
>Travels in pine wood UFO that’s in the shape of a swastika
>Said UFO has weapons like bows that fire arrow-shaped nuclear bombs
>Uses a stone hammer, resembling Thor’s hammer, that is actually a lightning gun
>Uses a blood-sacrifice powered golden chariot that creates a mini-sun, which performs a mini-coronal mass ejection that destroys a city
>Hyperborean
>Name is some Proto-Indo-European cognate of horse god
>Main goal is to harvest vril energy generated by mass hatred in order to open a portal to Hyperborea and return home

[Anonymous No.20786560]

>>20786542
fuck the tenses

[Anonymous No.20786596]

>>20786542
No one will notice your tenses.

[Anonymous No.20786619]

>>20786553
If it's ridiculous to the point of being funny, then it stops being a non-comedic story. You hit that threshold on the second line of greentext.

[Anonymous No.20786668]

>>20786382
>This post reeks of a failure and desperation
How ironic Sponge.

[Anonymous No.20786687]

>>20786596
>No one will notice your tenses
Painfully wrong.

>>20786546
Correct. Practice will make it easy. Also read books in that tense.

[Anonymous No.20786726]

I've managed to maintain 1k words a day all month! Huzzah! Only the entire rest of the month to go!

[Anonymous No.20786769]

>>20786553
You're a clown and you don't even know it.

[Anonymous No.20786798]

>>20786769
>>20786619
I wonder why someone hasn’t written a short comedy out of the ‘We Wuz’. You don’t even need to do anything but write it out at face value. The potential for comedy is immense in just the premise alone, ranging from the ridiculousness of Yakub to the schizo-tier Hyperboreans.

[Anonymous No.20786829]

>>20786798
Black people do it all of the time. It's not intentionally comedic though and it's extremely difficult for them to string together comprehensive sentences and paragraphs let alone an overarching narrative. Personally I think Afrofuturism is funnier.

[Anonymous No.20786988]

>>20786525
Both Planescape and Disco Elysium are extremely similar in their approach to dialogue, now is far more grand in scale but Elysium is extremely personal, Harry as a character and his skills. It's unique and very interactive, very complete and attempts to be literary in structure.
Disco Elysium is shit compared to the greats of literature, but as a videogame it's top 3. It has a massive personality in the way you see the world as Harry.

Hotline Miami has great writing and a part of me knows that I shouldn't be looking into Elysium and rather here. I've played and loved both Furi and E.Y.E and frankly, as a story, they're similar to what I'm trying to make. Complete coincidence too, never considered until now.

I'm trying to make a game based on a movie I'd love to do, but I am not trying to be a complete moviegame, it's about being a complete seizure, attack the screen.
But I need strong characters, very personal stakes.

[Anonymous No.20787016]

>>20786031
F Gardner?

[Anonymous No.20787030]

>>20787016
There's like 15 people on the lit author infographic. Please talk about someone other than Flat Earth Gardner

[Anonymous No.20787034]

I want to include a scene in my island novel where my main character is out hunting boar and has a bizarre encounter with a supernatural creature which shows how much he is losing touch with reality. What's a cool but underused creature I could use?

[Anonymous No.20787036]

>>20787030
Where did this flat earth meme come from regarding F. Gardner? I’ve seen that posted before here with no context.

[Anonymous No.20787056]

>>20787036

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HsLfrpEAfB8

I think from this interview. F Gardner starts talking about how he doesn’t believe the earth is round in it.

[Anonymous No.20787066]

>>20786988
I'm going to feed your posts into my novelAI account to train a module to see how accurately it can recreate your autistic rantings. Then when you kill yourself I'll keep posting for you, give me your stash of blonde whore pictures now.

[Anonymous No.20787067]

>>20787034
A right whale who rests in a lake. Who would expect to see a whale on land?

[Anonymous No.20787069]

>>20784470
Sátántangó and anything else by László Krasznahorkai

anything by HP Lovecraft

2666 by Roberto Bolano

[Anonymous No.20787080]

>>20786135
>dialogue focused
>think first in images then in words
Dialogues are words, you knwo that right?

[Anonymous No.20787095]

>>20787066
Such an AI would undoubtedly kill itself.
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/10/japans-beloved-ai-schoolgirl-falls-into-suicidal-depression/

[Anonymous No.20787127]

>>20787080
yeah whats wrong with what i said?

[Anonymous No.20787153]

>>20783651
Gonna show this post to my dad when he gets home so I don't get kicked out of his condo.

[Anonymous No.20787155]

>>20787034
How about a burrick?
That's a creature that appeared in the video game Thief: The Dark Project.
I think it was inspired by the Star Wars "blurrg".

[Anonymous No.20787173]

How do I write funny stuff without sounding like a Marvel movie

[Anonymous No.20787194]

>>20784265
in case you aren't laughing, let me explain this underrated gem to you: usually, when someone writes a screenplay, or anything really, they try to make it good or at least original. but whoever wrote the gangweed screenplay decided to make it BAD and intentionally included (intentionally bad) memes into HIS SCREENPLAY and he did it ON PURPOSE.

Think about that for a moment. This is genuine artistric integrity. He doesn't even care if people think its dumb, in fact, he's actually one step ahead of them. He's acting dumb on purpose. This is all a game to him, and we are but chess pieces to be knocked over. I know, its pretty deep, it takes a while to understand the humor at play here. that's why its so important that we keep reposting it, because not only do more people need to understand that this is funny, but it allows 'oldfags' who are in on the joke, like us, to continue to delight in its mighty wit each and every time we see it. Truly brilliant, almost gardnerian in its execution.

[Anonymous No.20787227]

which would you describe more as "big dick behaviour"?
>writing a story where everything is just anecdotes you have written to prove that things are "good" and "bad" according to your biases
>writing a story where you explore messy situations where nothing is clear cut so that the only result can be you confusing the readers and leading them to form their own conclusions

I'm not looking for either to be validated I'm really curious which way you're leaning an why

[Anonymous No.20787258]

>>20787194
No, I mean I am unironically the author of Gang Weed the Movie.

I think we should cut the paragraph "A distant engine SCREECHES in the snowstorm. JULIAN is startled awake, gasping for air. A nightmare."

But my problem is that if you cut that and go straight from Darkness. to "CLICK, CLICK, CLICK," then when you introduce Julian and have him cough, it looks like "JULIAN COUGHS" because the sound is in all caps, making it seem as though that's his name.

We could move the engine screeching later, but it's thematically significant that Edmund is responsible for his recurring nightmares about The Slammer burning down.

What I want to do is have the engine screech and Julian startled awake during the intro credits, before we're on the clock for the sixty minutes of the movie, since it's in real time. Not sure how to format that, but if anyone has any ideas, I'll fix it.

[Anonymous No.20787268]

>>20787153
Melville had several day jobs (clerk, school teacher, sailor on a whaling ship, etc.) to support his family.
Writing, when it was successful, was a supplement.
Do you have a day job, condo-squatting-anon?

[Anonymous No.20787285]

>>20787227
The essence of Chad behavior is success through absurdity, as if you were just born to win while being enigmatic because no one can place what you did right. That's the latter option and basically James Joyce. Not to say Joyce was vapid but he's so dense in story telling that it's awe inspiring.

[Anonymous No.20787316]

>>20786355
>tells me he knows the secret to good writing
>his entire post is about knowingly writing crap

I don't think you learned what you think you learned

[Anonymous No.20787457]

>>20785757
110K words so far, I try to put at least an hour or two into it each day, so maybe 10 a week on average.
>Are you going to another medium or what?
I'll just be too burned out from this project to write again.

[Anonymous No.20787471]

>write a novel
>realize you improved a lot and the ending is much better than the beginning
>rewrite it
>realize you got better
>rewrite it
>continue
Is there a point when it's ready?

[Anonymous No.20787483]

>>20787471
Your improvement will slow down, that's when you know it's time to start publishing. I suggest you stop rewriting though and make something fresh.

[Anonymous No.20787488]

>>20787067
>Who would expect to see a whale on land?
American here. I just have to open my front door. Mexicans are disgusting.

[Anonymous No.20787511]

>>20787056

Holy shit. F Gardner is like a goldmine for getting YouTube views.

[Anonymous No.20787521]

>>20787471
"Art is never completed it's only abandoned" At some point you'll reach diminishing returns and that's time to move on.

[Anonymous No.20787533]

>want to write
>WW3 and economic collapse sre right around the corner
Why even do it? we are all going to die soonm

[Anonymous No.20787536]

>The entire chapter is one person telling a story to the MC
Could this be kino or is it fundamentally flawed?

[Anonymous No.20787540]

>>20787533
write about how simple optimization algorithms have pushed FUD to an entire population in a way the CIA could only dream of

[Anonymous No.20787552]

>>20787173
Write situational humor instead of quips.

[Anonymous No.20787566]

>>20787536
completely depends on execution, and by that I don't mean "how good the story is" but more like how it's delivered to the reader

[Anonymous No.20787568]

Ok but for real, how do I write dialogue for my game? I want to focus on dialogue from time to time but I write like shit.
I have been reading screenplays of media I'm very familiar with to see how dialogue carries over into voice but I need help.
>>20787536
90 percent of things can be kino with enough talent/skill.

[Anonymous No.20787572]

>>20787536
if you have to ask, it's probably not going to work

[Anonymous No.20787584]

>>20787568
We've already explained to you...EXHAUSTIVELY...that we can't teach you this.
People pay thousands of dollars to get colleges to try to teach them this.
Stop acting like it's possible to summarize something this complex and invididual.

[Anonymous No.20787586]

>>20787016
>>20787030
>>20787036
>>20787056
>>20787194
Kill yourself Gardner.

[Anonymous No.20787594]

>>20787536
It worked in "Pickman's Model" by H.P. Lovecraft.

[Anonymous No.20787601]

>>20787536
>>20787568
>kino
how does having talent and skill make something dogshit?

[Anonymous No.20787606]

>>20787511
He’s the most mainstream of the /lit/ authors. So it makes sense. I’ve explained this before. It’s not very difficult to grasp.

[Anonymous No.20787609]

>>20787568
Compared to your previous posts, you forgot to add "OMG I'M SO DEPRESSED I WANNA KMS RIGHT NOW!!!!1! DRAMA BOMB! ATTENTION WHORE! EVERYONE STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND LOOK AT ME!"
Not that I miss that or anything.

[Anonymous No.20787610]

>>20787584
He's an avatarfagging retard. Just report him already.

[Anonymous No.20787616]

>>20787606
see
>>20787586

[Anonymous No.20787626]

>>20787584
But I am completely lost. My favorite movie had actors completely improvise their lines but I have no actors, now that I think of it, 3 of my favorite movies did that.
>>20787609
What makes me talentless?

[Anonymous No.20787630]

>>20787606
Because Gardner literally bought 4chan ads here for years. Call of the Crocodile was advertised more aggressively than anything else I can think of from this site.

[Anonymous No.20787633]

>>20787630
Fuck off Gardner

[Anonymous No.20787638]

>>20787606
Nobody talks about you but you, Gardner.
Enough already with the samefagging and shill-spamming.
I feel embarrassed for you.

[Anonymous No.20787644]

>>20787630
Call of the Arcade was the better book. He should have spent more money advertising that instead of Croc

[Anonymous No.20787654]

>>20787626
Pay a college thousands of dollars to have professors help you get unlost, and explain to you why/if you're talentless.
Stop trying to get it for free, you cheapskate.
And we are NOT free therapists.

[Anonymous No.20787664]

>>20787654
Have you seen the economy? It's over, I'll kill myself next year.

[Anonymous No.20787674]

>>20787638
I haven’t even read his books. Are you joking are or do you actually think I’m F Gardner?

[Anonymous No.20787688]

>>20787644
F Gardner is a one trick pony. All his books rely on weird twists just for the sake of being weird.

[Anonymous No.20787719]

I want to write a book about a family man in modern America who, through boredom and a lack of satisfaction, falls into a depraved lifestyle.

Anyways, here's the working start to it.

>Under fluorescent lights, squeezed on one side of a table between two other heavy-breathing IT specialists, Matthew Etterman experienced a moment of true existential crisis – a crushing moment of self-realization. A completely unabashed truth shone in his heart like a beacon, guiding him to past glory days: the happiest days he had ever lived. Senior year of college – spring break, Florida, Palm Trees, and a loud heat spurred by the roar of wheels on pavement. He drank carelessly and made decisions on a whim; played with friends, prowled the slick poolside populated with those barely dressed women – ass cheeks and breasts spilled out from behind polyester panties, sun-tanned skin squeezed by bra strings, drinking and laughing. The thought had his heart palpitating. It has been twenty years since those wild and mischievous days, and Matthew’s now 38-year-old heart could barely take it. The slim figure he had back at the poolside had long been fluffed and softened through years of neglect and apathy; babies and marriage took precedent over self-care. Even worse than the tightened throbbing arteries past his ribcage was – the return of something he had been missing fondly – an erection. A real erection. One filled with excitement that made the face flush and the body hot. Matthew, in a hurry, rolled further under the table to conceal himself; he eyed the prompter of all this excitement: a simple survey form, a singular sheet of paper with the prompt “Describe the Happiest Day of Your Life.” Among twenty or so other coworkers all calmly filling out their forms, Matthew had no choice but to write, “The day my daughter was born.”

[Anonymous No.20787724]

>>20787674
>do you actually think I’m F Gardner?

We are changing /wg/ to
"The Frank Gardner School of Creative Writing"

[Anonymous No.20787735]

>>20787688
Eh the twists are one of the things F Gardner actually is really good at. The main appeal of Call of the Crocodile is the entire mindfuck reveal in it. That’s probably the main selling point. Pic related. Beware of spoilers.

[Anonymous No.20787738]

Can someone explain if it's proper to use 'd as a contraction when you want to imply that the subject did something?

I.E. "Aside from the gash in his chest and a few scrapes here and there, the armor'd done it's job." , where I want to say that "the armor had done it's job" but in a shorter way.

Or alternatively

>He hated the feeling, it'd been a good long while since he felt it.

Where 'it'd' is a contraction for 'it had'. Apologies in advance if I'm retarded, but on looking it up I'm getting conflicting answers.

[Anonymous No.20787750]

>>20787664
Then why did you bother to demand we teach you how to write?
Fscking attention-seeking drama-queen spammer.

[Anonymous No.20787751]

>>20787724
Kek. Based.

[Anonymous No.20787775]

>>20787724
>>20787735
>>20787751
Get a job already, you parasitic NEET.

[Anonymous No.20787786]

Boswell back to seething over Gardner again I see.

[Anonymous No.20787803]

>>20787751
Do you really have to stroke yourself in public this much?
Are you overcompensating for erectile dysfunction or something?

[Anonymous No.20787843]

How do I better organize my writing?

You know Drafts>first drafts

And a folder with a folder for ideas and one for notes

Outlines and such and file placement.

Not websites to use for organizeing but how do you make your file locations for writing so everything is stress free and not confusing

[Anonymous No.20787852]

>>20787843
Check out this AI outliner.
https://subtxt.app/

[Anonymous No.20787854]

There's a giant crocodile in my story. Should I reference Call of the Crocodile?

[Anonymous No.20787873]

WTF DO I WRITE ABOUT

[Anonymous No.20787882]

>>20787873
Your true love

[Anonymous No.20787884]

>>20787873
Motherfucker if you don't know what to write about then no one wants to read the garbage you're going to put to paper.

[Anonymous No.20787895]

>>20787873
Really big dicks going into really tight vaginas.

[Anonymous No.20787911]

>>20787873
Nothing, Keep all your ideas in your head and don't share them.

not on, a word doc, not on a google doc, not even on paper.

Don't even *speak* about your ideas

You'll be the best writer ever,

[Anonymous No.20787953]

>>20787882
In other words...your hand.

[Anonymous No.20787965]

>>20787751
Saved.

[Anonymous No.20787974]

>>20787521
This.

[Anonymous No.20787976]

>>20787854
Yes. And then post a screenshot of it and post it here.

[Anonymous No.20787987]

>>20787533
I doubt WW3 will happen. It will be another depression at worst, not a collapse. Don't be a Virginia Woolf who killed herself when WW2 broke out. Keep writing.

[Anonymous No.20787998]

>>20787803
>>20787775
>>20787638
>>20787633

Stop. Fucking. Samefagging.

[Anonymous No.20788000]

>>20787998
No. :^)

[Anonymous No.20788015]

>>20787965
New Faggot Gardner OC

[Anonymous No.20788016]

>>20787644
>>20787674
>>20787688
>>20787724
>>20787735
>>20787751
>>20787786
>>20787854
>>20787998
Ok Gardner

[Anonymous No.20788024]

Swirling golden dust blew past Ostra as he stood under a black sun. The void star, encircled by a glowing ring that oscillated blinding rays, smothered the young man as he stood on a sea of sand.
In the distance he saw Zotu struggling against a form that spewed clouds of dust… or was it smoke. Ostra could not tell.
“Hey, leave him be!”
Zotu screamed and Ostra launched himself into the assailant. The contact he made was as if he were tackling the morning mist. He landed hard in the sand. The grit scraping his face and shoulder raw.
Rolling over he saw that the figure now mirrored Zotu. Zotu recovered and locked hands with the attacker. Now they were pushing and shoving trying to keep themselves square on the shifting ground.
It took a bit but the realization left Ostra in wonder. Zotu was fighting his shadow. The shade was the same size and shape as Zotu but void of any color. The wisps of colorless clouds fell off the creature. Ostra wondered how he sailed through that shadow like it was vapor but Zotu fought like it were truly there.
Ostra got to his feet and rushed to the fray but they vanished. Confused, Ostra closed his eyes and opened them. The boy and his shadow were gone.

[Anonymous No.20788026]

>>20788015
He's way fatter and sweatier than that. Picture a sow in heat on a humid 100 degree afternoon and extrapolate from there.

[Anonymous No.20788027]

>>20787976
The question is "What should it be?"
See, there's a giant alligator who's whole thing is that it's friends with the gangs of NYC.
It also ends up teaming up with a man who has incredibly severe gigantism to the point where he needs to wear a specialized suit that normalizes his body functions. It's that kind of story.

[Anonymous No.20788030]

>>20787998
Samefagging is when someone replies to their own post, pretending to be someone else.
None of those posts were like that.
What are you even on about?

[Anonymous No.20788054]

>>20788015
Lmao. 10/10.

[Anonymous No.20788059]

>>20788026
You forgot to mention the part where F Gardner is down on his knees sucking multiple cocks.

[Anonymous No.20788135]

>>20787719
Has a great opening line, the middle collapses I think into too much early depiction, but the end rounds out nicely. It may read better if you move the middle to the end, or possibly shorten it, or just reword it. Either way I like the direction it has. Clearly establishes character and is well written. When are you going to write more?

[Anonymous No.20788172]

>>20787738
One, it's should be its since it's a possessive, whereas it's is a plural.
The 'd contraction is used correctly but it looks odd because normally the contraction is used with pronouns. Why do you want to shorten it anyways?

[Anonymous No.20788182]

>>20788059

[Anonymous No.20788213]

>>20787843
You the other Elder Scrolls anon? Made any progress?

For me I just have a fiction writing folder with subfolders for major genres I dabble in (fantasy, historical fiction, baldcore). Every story gets just gets one word doc - drafting at the top and outline at the bottom. Outlines are just a few bullet points for major ideas key events to come that get fleshed out more if the piece has legs.

Once something has multiple chapters it is worthy of its own subfolder.

[Anonymous No.20788223]

>>20788182
looks like a garloid to me

[Anonymous No.20788249]

>>20788059
>LGBT icon F Gardner

Seriously though. Gardner is like the perfect example of the hero we deserve. Did people think we’d get the next Shakespeare from these generals? Of course not. The end result is fucking Call of the Crocodile. A glorified /x/tier creepypasta by a mentally unhinged NEET flat earther. Pulp fiction.

[Anonymous No.20788342]

>agent average response time is 5 days
>It's been 2 weeks.
Is this a good sign or a bad sign?

[Anonymous No.20788347]

>>20788342
What do you think? Go to someone else.

[Anonymous No.20788361]

>>20788172
Thanks for the grammar correction, been using a new word processor without a spelling checker and I've gotten sloppy. I like contractions becase I write in a very verbose way and I'm trying to whore wordcount as much as possible without castrating my beefier paragraphs.

[Anonymous No.20788514]

>>20788030
Cringe guy is angry the based famous guy is getting attention again.

[Anonymous No.20788519]

>>20783599
gBz7uaCnpG
Aidsemen

[Anonymous No.20788526]

>>20788514
Fucking lost. This is like a YLYL thread now.

[Anonymous No.20788691]

>>20784438
What sort of porn do you watch?

[Anonymous No.20788727]

>>20787751
Good to see the OP changes I made when I wanted to shorten the OP became memes.
Remember, this anon wouldn’t have made this meme if you faggots didn’t post useless shit like anime writing litrpg writing retardation.

[Anonymous No.20788922]

>>20787873
write about my writing which I posted in this thread and nobody responded to

[Anonymous No.20788944]

Asking purely for advice on formatting. These 2 characters are twins who speak in turns, each quotation is one of them. single lines are either because one of them is finishing their thoughts or because the main character is speaking. I hope with how odd they are that its clear when he is speaking vs the twins.
I am thinking that 2 per line with left as the sister, right as the brother. I will likely change this in editing, might make it so they always speak twice per line. Making it clearer when the MC is speaking.

[Anonymous No.20788962]

>>20787786
No, I was working at that hour.
Because I have a job...like most other grownups.

[Anonymous No.20788977]

>>20787873
Most people who want to write have something they want to say.
If you don't...then why do you want to be a writer?

[Anonymous No.20789015]

>>20788691
Why is that a question?

[Anonymous No.20789030]

>>20789015
Why is that not an answer?

[Anonymous No.20789047]

>>20789030
My own imagination? Mostly vanilla, I don't use porn that often.

[Anonymous No.20789072]

retard question. is it bad to shift the POV very briefly, like they can do in movies? i don't mean head-hop, but something along the lines of... describing john in his bedroom from his POV, then describing people downstairs without john actually going down to see them, then going back to john?

[Anonymous No.20789075]

Good evening, gentlemen, would anyone happen to know spanish? I agreed to assist a relative's proyect of writing small stories for some NGO that deals with children going through grief and wrote something from a sample he sent me. I'd share here, with the class, but google translate is the most my energy and I can offer the exclusive english speakers at the moment.

[Anonymous No.20789092]

>>20789072
as long as its clear I don't see any issue with it.

john entered the awoke in his bedroom.
-------------------------------
meanwhile downstairs.

I'd break it up with a single line between it or with dashes between those lines. whichever looks nicer to you.

[Anonymous No.20789195]

>>20788135
Thanks a lot for the reply. I appreciate your insight and I will revise this start with your input in mind.

I'm planning on working on this novel seriously once I finish the short story I'm working on.

[Anonymous No.20789268]

How long does it take you to outline a story beginning to end before you start writing?

[Anonymous No.20789276]

>>20789268
Depends on how detailed the outline is. It can go for 15 minutes to a week

[Anonymous No.20789323]

I want to push a new revision of Gang Weed this week. Is there anything else I should fix? I made the actions on Page 1 more clear

https://www.scribd.com/document/551280851/Unfiltered

[Anonymous No.20789450]

Anyone ever donated to libraries their books? Curious how that conversation went.

[Anonymous No.20789464]

>>20789450
read that as donated libraries to their books

[Anonymous No.20789485]

>>20789450
Let me just run through this retarded scenario out loud.
>donate books to small public library
>think it’s good marketing
>reach exactly 0 people
>grassrootsshit.jpg
>out 10 books now
>0 reviews
God damn I hate you faggoty nigger faggots.

[Anonymous No.20789494]

>>20789464
I am a complete and utter retard when it comes to grammar. Yet I like making poetry/short stories. Oh well I come here to improve and shitpost
>>20789485
I figure it'll be good for local community and it seems fun to do. Plus, I don't give a shit about popularity or sales. If I wanted to be popular I wouldn't be writing.

[Anonymous No.20789576]

>>20789494
>I figure it'll be good for local community
by giving them a common enemy or...?

[Anonymous No.20789642]

just realized I have a daycare-like setting in a story that's supposed to be trippy or absurd whenever possible
I was going to have an typical fuck-you-secret-dungeon underneath it that the side character uses to temporarily hold the mc but this is the opportunity for shit like endless mirror mazes or ball pits as deep as a lake

[Anonymous No.20789731]

>>20787533
People still wrote during WW1 and WW2 and the Great Depression, why wouldn't you want to write?

[Anonymous No.20789802]

Currently reading (or listening to) Story by Robert McKee.

[Anonymous No.20789894]

>>20789047
That's your problem. Start watching hardcore shit and get shamelessly addicted. Then start attending sessions irl. Your books can only get better the more weird shit you experience

[Anonymous No.20789920]

>>20789323
I charge $75/hour for editorial services

[Anonymous No.20789937]

>>20789802
I'm suspicious of anyone who tries to sell me on something with the term "brain science." All the more so if it's a woman.

[Anonymous No.20789944]

>>20789075
I do. But the quality of my work depends on whether you want me to translate from english to spanish or visceversa

[Anonymous No.20790011]

New bread
>>20790009

[Anonymous No.20790119]

>>20787738
Don't use a contraction for 'had' unless it's quoted speech. Readers will shorten it in their heads.

[Anonymous No.20790144]

>>20789072
The difference between third person omniscient and third person limited isn't sharply defined. You have some wiggle room. It's more a matter of consistency than correctness. It would seem weird if that were the only time in the text you switched away.

[Anonymous No.20790146]

>>20789731
>People still wrote during WW1 and WW2 and the Great Depression, why wouldn't you want to write?
Radiation poisoning, for example...