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20781722 No.20781722 [Reply] [Original]

Why is subtlety so highly rated in the art? Subtlety mixed with le mystery or gibberish?

In art world subtlety=genius

>> No.20781735

>>20781722
subtlety in writing is equivalent to stick figures vs picasso

>> No.20781736

>>20781722
Taking the time to explain the obvious is boring to read.
If I figured out what you meant from context clues, then don't take a paragraph to explain it to me

>> No.20781737

>>20781722
Because it leaves something to the imagination. Nobody wants to hear something obvious with so little thought. That's why most people look to written texts for insight rather than real life conversation

>> No.20781766

>>20781736
What the fuck is """obvious"""?

>inb4 OP is a faggot
Yes I know

>>20781737
>something to the imagination
So those self perceived """smart""" cunts are incapable of imagination without some other person's help?

>> No.20781796

>>20781766
No, everyone is incapable of imagination if you tell them something obvious. That's why people appreciate subtlety and carefulness in what you say. If you say something subtly it shows you put more thought/effort into it and you generally reflect deeper on your thoughts than the surface level literal sense

>> No.20781806
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20781806

>>20781735

>> No.20781831

>>20781796
Is Lovecraft subtle? The bronie hyper autists who write thousands of pages of my little pony's fan fiction are incapable of imagination too? Are they stupid? Or those people stupid who need le subtlety to imagine some shite?

>> No.20782191

>>20781831
Why are you so mad?

>> No.20783391

>>20781722
Pseuds will seethe

>> No.20783443

>>20781722
First of all art isnt about conveying insight. Then artisticly being subtle should make sense like not overusing salt...

>> No.20783541

>>20781722
Nuance is display of understanding and intricacy is a display of skill. Get dunked on, pleb.

>> No.20783561

>>20781806
absolutely BTFO

>> No.20783567

>>20781722
Principle of play. You want the least amount of words / brush strokes for the most amount of impact.
Subtle cues with wide reaching consequences exploit the principle.

>> No.20783591

>>20781722
Subtlety is pretentiousness.

Its like the Starbucks coffee which doesn't taste that sweet but gives the drinker an air of pretenriousness. While the 10x cheaper roadside stand shit is sweeter and tastier

>> No.20783598

>>20783591
>Subtlety is pretentiousness.
Notice how this fits my theory perfectly. >>20783567
He never understands the wider implications of a subtle clue so it has no emotional impact, it's just pretention.

>> No.20784202

>>20781722
but was it a Pepe

>> No.20784214

>>20781722
Because subtlety requires more thought than a writing style that is in your face explaining everything. Not that difficult to understand

>> No.20784292

>>20781722
Other than what's been said, being subtle forces the writer to actually choose scenes and such that fit with the tone. One shouldn't need to instruct the reader what a thing is if said thing is appropriate and well-conveyed.

>> No.20784801

>>20781722
You wouldn't understand, stupid frogposter.

>> No.20784865

>>20781722
For the same effort, some people prefer to make it harder to denote simple things instead of tackling more arduous ones.
It isn't as retarded as it sounds. In practical life you are often faced with situations where elements are not clear or distinguished. Consider the difference between a crime investigator and an engineer.
It's less about subtlety being overrated and more about the other type of intelligence being underrated by the midwit mass, because most people can coast through life with minimal use of the latter.

>> No.20784896
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20784896

t. OP

>> No.20785018

>>20784896
>They're all cowards
You often don't have control over subtext (at least not consciously).

>> No.20785055

>>20781722
because anyone can be crude.

>> No.20785093

>>20781806
How can anon ever recover from this?

>> No.20785105

>>20781722
When everything is spelled out I just consume and process words and form reaction from what I am shown.

But when I have to put in the effort to understand shit and then piece together an idea of interpretation it feels like I'm actually connecting with an idea and a person (be it author, a character, or another reader) - I'm having new thoughts and emotions that are similar to their own and I know this.

This makes me feel like a smart/empathic boy connecting to other people and validated in having thoughts that are simultaneously "my own" and not my own whatsoever.

Taken together, this gives me profound feelsies and a good does of happy chemicals, which is good and I want more of it.

>> No.20785111

>>20782191
Probably an autistic retard with Aphantasia that needs everything explained to him.

>> No.20785168

>>20781806
Dangerously based

>> No.20785198

>>20781766
>So those self perceived """smart""" cunts are incapable of imagination without some other person's help?
how do you quote a post and then get the post's meaning entirely inverted. Smartcunts have an imagination, that's why they don't need everything explained to them, you dingus

>> No.20785351

>>20785111
Fuck off fag, I am not a retard. I have mad imagination whenever I get into my maniac mode. I can visually recall whole films in head.

>>20785198
Keeeeek
Why do they need other people's text?

>> No.20785413

>>20785351
Anon, it's pretty clear that you're legitimately autistic. I don't mean that as an insult.
You can't do anything about it but you aren't going to ever really get concepts like this. There's just something that makes these things fundamentally clear to the rest of us that is lacking in you. The more you try to nail down logical explanations for the emotional aspects of art and expression, the more they will evade you. I'm genuinely sorry.

>> No.20785425

>>20781722
Subtlety is very funny. Because it's all very obvious.

>> No.20785434

I bet redditors ITT also think "show, don't tell" is good writing advice.

>> No.20785469
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Being subtle and being blunt each have their place in writing.

You're subtle when you want the reader to buy-in what you're saying before you bring out the big guns and make your idea explicit. The reader makes an investment in the text and might be actually more primed to receive your point because he's put some effort into it yet. Many people confuse sublety with depth though, if you make it "subtle" but the thing you make the reader work for isn't worthwhile, you just come off as a tryhard.

You're blunt when you just want to make your point straight away. Being blunt works best when you have a strong enough rhetorical skill that your writing essentially "stuns" or baits the reader and makes him feel forced to stop and actually engage what you've said. Being blunt without strong enough rhetoric or unengaging descriptive language only makes you look shallow and unskilled.

>> No.20785481

>>20785413
Fuck off, I can feel emotions and sympathize whenever I want to. Sometimes I can cry just by looking at the beauty of a landscape. Tell me this makes a person autistic?

>> No.20785483

>>20781735
picasso is a hack and a pseud and a midwit and pretentious
Excellent analogy, gracias

>> No.20785508

>>20784214
Is requiring more thought automatically a good thing though?

>> No.20785513

>>20785481
Being unable to understand the way normal people communicate is pretty much the definition of autistic, stupid ESL.
>Why are they being subtle? Why don't they just explicitly say exactly what they mean?
This is a hallmark of autism and a failure of you to grasp social dynamics.

>> No.20785517
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>>20782191
With overabundance of subtlety (which can happen when an amateur is told to be subtle so incessantly and pestered with "show don't tell!" so often, that he begins to put subtlety on the pedestal of priorities), comes vagueness.

Subtlety is good, but like all good things, it's good in moderation. If you overdo it, you risk muddling the message so much that your story becomes an incoherent blur for readers to speculate upon.

There's a blurry line between "figuring out the hidden message" and "inventing the message yourself, while being under impression that something is being uncovered". If you hide your black cat in your dark room too well, the seeker may suspect that there is no cat, or just bring his own black cat from elsewhere.

That's probably why OP associates subtlety with pseud midwits who pretend to understand modern art (aka money laundromats). Sometimes the king wears a transparent crystalline dress, but sometimes the king is fucking naked.

>> No.20785521

you don't say something is "subtle" when you don't even notice that thing, fucker
"subtle" is what one says when retards like you can't see something and therefore one can't really talk with you about it

>> No.20785537

>>20785521
I'm sorry, I just couldn't understand that entire sentence. Could you please try to re-word it, preferably with a generous use of ebonics, my nigga?

>> No.20785550

>>20785513
I really don't know what you're quoting. You're a manipulator who is traping me in all sorts of language games.