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20773820 No.20773820 [Reply] [Original]

>Try to read the Bible for insight and prose
>It's just a boring historical account of the jews

>> No.20773830

>>20773820
Its important to understand Jewish values. For example Goliath challenges David to a contest of strength, but the Hebrew uses underhanded tactics. You see similar stuff with all the brother killing and incest.

>> No.20773854

>>20773820
Proverbs
Psalms
Job
Ecclesiastes
Isaiah
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Romans
1/2 Corinthians

Those are the main ones which are useful

>> No.20773858

>>20773830
Feels like the same shit over and over again
>>20773854
Ya I'm just a little underwhelmed by "le big book"

>> No.20773864

>>20773858
Unironically Genesis - 2 Kings is a SLOG. Definitely the wisdom books and the New Testament is incredible. St. Paul is one of the best essayists of all times

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20773900

>read Proverbs
>it's just a bunch of tautologies and repeating the same moral stories
>"There was once a bad person and a good person, therefore don't be bad"

>> No.20774634

>>20773820
>>It's just a boring historical account of the jews
Yeah, no shit, what were you expecting?

>> No.20774691

you were looking for milton i guess

>> No.20774700

Yeah no shit, that’s literally what it is

>> No.20775069

>>20773900
Is that Nietzsche chud?

>> No.20775073

>>20773820
Dunno, I really liked the stories of Moses and that dude who got thrown in a well by his brothers when we learned about them in 3rd grade, might reread them someday.

>> No.20775078

>>20773854
Useful for what?

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20775081

>>20773820
And it's not even a reliable account.

>> No.20775149

>>20773820
so jannies keep this up but not the holy Bible general? wtf

>> No.20775156

>reading the Bible for prose
FUCK! you're gay as shit

>> No.20775157

>>20774634
>>20774700
Oh look, people who haven't read the Bible
>>20773900
If this is what you got out of Proverbs you're very bad at reading.
>>20775078
Life.
>>20775081
You must be 18+ to post here.

>> No.20775169

>>20775157
>posts a perfectly clear biblical contradiction
>"you must be 18+ to post here"
Are you, really? I give you 12 at maximum. Leave.

>> No.20775172

>>20775169
By your smartass logic we can rightfully boil everything down to
>le good vs le bad
Condensing things down to their most basic essence doesn’t make you intelligent.

>> No.20775177

>>20775169
>Are you, really? I give you 12 at maximum. Leave.
I don't see you denying being under 18.

>> No.20775183

>>20773820
>Try to read the Bible for insight
Maybe you are too dumb for it. I'm not even religious.
>and prose
KEK

>> No.20775255

>>20775172
>>20775177
>completely unable to address a basic contradiction in their stupid book
Seethe, cope and dilate.

>> No.20775277

The way the Bible is arranged there's 4 divisions of books in the Old Testament. Torah/Early Prophets/Wisdom Books and Psalms/Later Prophets. You're being front loaded with 500+ pages of theological history right off the bat. Second problem neither Jews nor Christians read it like this. They take it piece by piece every week with Christians usually having one OT reading, Psalms, two NT, and Jews taking from the Torah and Prophets and depending on date other books.
Another huge problem is the Old Testament in particular is not literature in the same sense as a 20th century novel. It's sung which is really important because you're reading in translation, was written by and is still read by priests, and it has layers of interpretation that are not obvious at all to people, even most well read Christians. Sitting by yourself and reading it cold with no context or education is like reading blueprints for boats instead of looking at pictures for boats.

>> No.20775299

What you need to look for is how the New Testament explains how prophecies unfold in microcosms and how statements can take on different meanings when the listener understands the sign from the referent. There is this level of subtext underlying biblical stories that make it more dramatic than face value and it takes multiple reads and some understanding of the tension between faith vs works to see it all. For example, Kierkegaard shows how amazing Abraham's story is in Fear and Trembling and Steinbeck shows a version of Cain and Abel in East of Eden. That's the reason people see it as so compelling is because they read the story and see it as telling something more profound about our current state and also our destiny. If you aren't drawing parallels in your mind and flipping between books seeing the bigger picture the Bible will always be a story about Jews in the way that the Greek mythology is just about Greeks and that's it.

>> No.20775300

>>20775277
Interesting post, how should I read it then? I definitely feel like it could be going above my head but that's a hard problem to fix solo

>> No.20775301

>>20775299
True, but the message feels the same in every story
>Have faith, follow the commandments

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20775323

>>20773820
>>Try to read the Bible for insight and prose
>>It's just a boring historical account of the jews
You are doing it wrong.
It is a craftily-deceitful "historical" account. And that's what makes it amazing, when you -knowing the wider context- start digging the inconsistencies out.

>> No.20775349

>>20775299
>Kierkegaard shows how amazing Abraham's story is in Fear and Trembling
>hey, kill your son
>ok
>no don't kill him lol
Amazing.

>> No.20775994

>>20775156
>reading the Bible for insight
Ohnonononono

>> No.20776138
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>>20773820
The Old Testament is a mix of Jewish creation and foundation myths which slowly shifts into what is likely to be a fairly accurate history of Israel, interspersed with various prophets and proverbs. It's important to know that to the Jews (and especially the Jews of the time), despite being a holy book, it is first and foremost a "book of Israel", with all that entails. They believed in their foundation myths as much as they believed in the reign of previous kings, and as a result the book isn't written to be entirely theological. It's a historical document of the way the Israelites perceived their own history, combined with some moral guidance.

The New Testament is a much more "coherent" work, written over a much shorter period of time, with a much more precise purpose (though even then, it is full of contradictions as the various writers were not all knowledgeable of each other or in agreement about some of the basic tenants of the religion). It also only a more modern idea that the entire OT be viewed as a work written with an express purpose, and not as a collection of disparate Israeli writings around a few common themes. The Christians pioneered this view, going back and reading the OT as being not about the history of Israel, but about the fall of man from paradise, the fall of Israel into moral decay, and then the coming of the messiah as predicted by the prophets. This is a reading so different from the Jewish reading that the very order of the books is different: the Christian "Old Testament" ends with the prophets as a nice lead-in to the New Testament fulfilling those prophets, whereas in the Hebrew Bible they appear a while before the ending, their importance to the work being seen as somewhat secondary.

Obviously there have always been some exceptionally devout rabbis who view all of the HB as a divinely inspired work, with each sentence having holy importance with and within context, but it wasn't the prevailing opinions amongst Jews at any period of time that we're aware of.

Hope this helps.

>> No.20776189

>>20773820
Read the Gospels and Paul's letters and the Old Testament makes more sense

>> No.20776191

Pre-Victorian literature is boring and primitive.

>> No.20776297

Moses was an Egyptian Atenist priest who converted the primitive Moloch-worshipping Jews.

>> No.20777377

>>20775300
If you're reading it just for prose, do what you're doing I guess. If you want theological insight, it depends on what religion you're interested in.

>> No.20777422

>>20775149
Read the rules, if you want to discuss religion, go to >>>/his/

>> No.20777780

>>20777422
Bible is lit

>> No.20778455

>>20776138
>tranime

>> No.20778474

>>20773854
>>20773820

Hebrews is the best written new testament book

If you want good storytelling in the old testament
Genesis is good from Abraham on

And the two books of Samuel are very good, it's pretty much the King David story

Unfortunately, the Moses arc isn't very good
I haven't read Judges and Joshua in over a decade, can't remember how good they were
But if you don't read the Abraham story all the way until the end of the Joseph story, there are many things you will never understand about your civilization, from Kierkegaard books, 7 fat cows 7 lean cows, or even Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven

The Joseph story is a really good one, a lot of great books, like the Count of Monte Cristo are inspired by it. It pretty much invented a trope.

>> No.20778479

>>20773820
Paradise Lost is what you're looking for

>> No.20778495

>>20775157
>You must be 18+ to post here
Is that the best Christians can do?

>> No.20779524

>>20775300
Orthodox here. You'll want commentaries by Church fathers. St. John Chrysostom is a big one. In general things repeat because of typology, too. Most of the stuff in the OT prefectures the NT. It's training wheels for humanity. You'll want to look up the significance of the resurrection with regards to the restoration of the human nature and the possibility of theosis

>> No.20779528

>>20779524

>> No.20779595 [DELETED] 

>>20773820
All the insight comes from the spiritual commentaries and heremeneutics of the church fathers, rabbis and esoterists, of course its boring without any pilpul. Read Tomberg.

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20780184

>>20773820
>boring

>> No.20781198

>>20773820
here you go anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltgQC_ZCPk8
You'll have a new perspective and priority for how you should explore it

>> No.20781370

>>20773820
Yup, this is why hermeneutics is necessary and proddies are retarded.

>> No.20782986

>>20773864
i found most of the pentateuch pretty engaging, but yes, the historical books like Kings are rough to read straight through

>> No.20783056

>Try to read /lit/ for insight and discussion
>It's just boring anecdotes from pseuds and midwits

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20783071

>>20781198
>Listen to this jew explain why the thibg the jews are trying to subvert and destroy was really bad and you should be grateful to the jews for trying to subvert and and destroy it

>> No.20783089

>>20775323
You've fallen for Talmudic kike tricks and you don't even realize it. The jews want nothing more than to destroy the authority of the Bible, so much so that they wrote the Talmud to undermine it.
https://www.revisionisthistory.org/wire1.html

>> No.20783090

>>20783071
you clearly didn't listen to, or read it.
https://3lib.net/book/4975123/e658fb

>> No.20783099

>>20773858
Sounds like you got filtered, or are just too dumb to understand the metaphysical sublties in the narrative.

>> No.20783102

>>20783089
>The jews want nothing more than to destroy the authority of the Bible
You mean the one that's been countlessly edited over time by humans?
I don't understand why people think it's the one thing immune from subversion. Especially when there's even a blatant mainstream version difference between the jewish vs non-jew one. You really think they stopped there?

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20783106

>>20783090
It's just more kike disinfo. Gaytheists and fagans are no threat to the jew, while Christianity is.

>> No.20783112

>>20783102
>You mean the one that's been countlessly edited over time by humans?
You fags always say this and appeal to hypothetical manuscripts as proof.

>> No.20783113

>>20783106
You ever think you're falling for a false dichotomy? Which is a very popular gimmick.

>> No.20783117

>>20773820
I got told Joshua was good. Did I get memed?

>> No.20783118

>>20783112
>the countless evils of humans stopped with this one sacred book they all agreed to not touch at all!
Do you understand how absurd this sounds?

>> No.20783122

>>20778455
>anon writes a relatively high-effort post with a good analysis
>WTF IS THAT A CHINK CARTOON REEEEEEEE
kys

>> No.20783127

>>20783113
Atheists are full in on globohomo, and even "right-wing" pagans like Grindr Greg and Richard Spencer tell their followers to vote democrat and get the vax. Jews have used everything in their power to attack Christianity.

>> No.20783138

>>20783122
>good analysis
You retards really are high are your own farts, are you?

>> No.20783147

>>20783118
>If I pretend you said something absurd, I win.
All the "proof" that the Bible was edited comes from conjecture alone.

>> No.20783156

>>20783138
I'm not even the same guy you were replying to, schizo

>> No.20783182

>>20783156
Doesn't matter, the fact you think that that was a good analysis shows how inept /lit/ really is.

>> No.20783196

>>20783147
Who's pretending?
You're actually implying a material text is somehow immune from corruption. Something wholly unique from all other things. Statistically, it is just not possible. You would you not entrust your very life to those odds.
Nevermind that its overwhelming parallels of pacifism, with interesting subjugation undertones, really echos back and reeks of projection from them. Elaborate as it may be, you should truly question what you have been following. Because if you know anything about them, they have no bounds to their treachery

>> No.20783230

>>20773820
Sounds like you were filtered. Read it with a commentary so you get it.
https://haydockcommentary.com

>> No.20783242

>>20783196
So you don't have any proof, then?

>> No.20783264

>>20783242
Proof of what? It's objective fact the bible has been edited numerous times throughout history. We have entire splinter sects because of it. You're then going to somehow argue every single time it's been 100% pure intentioned?

>> No.20783589

>>20773820
t. filtered goy

>> No.20783766

>>20783264
Never happened. Why do atheists lie constantly?

>> No.20783995

>>20773820
Dune contains more insight and might even be better written.

>> No.20784018

>>20773830
>For example Goliath challenges David to a contest of strength, but the Hebrew uses underhanded tactics.
David and Goliath is unironically the best ancient comedy.

>> No.20784038

>>20777422
most retarded post in this thread