/clg/ is dead

[Anonymous No.20771886]

no more threads.

ἔρρωσο

[Anonymous No.20771935]

>>20771886
>nooo thr autist containment thread for people too lazy to recite words died
Oh no!

[Anonymous No.20772003]

Eenbay earninglay Atinlay onyay Uolingoday orfay ayay ouplecay ofyay onthsmay ownay. Artingstay otay inallyfay etgay ayay anghay ofyay ityay. AGMIWAY osbray.

[Anonymous No.20772120]

hello can people please take the study of Latin seriously and actually memorise some declension tables??

[Anonymous No.20772328]

>>20771886
who made this drawing and when?

[Anonymous No.20772577]

>>20771886
Noooooooooo wtf I have been on this board for only one month

[Anonymous No.20772644]

>>20771886
Prius fīlum: >>20764466

[Anonymous No.20772655]

>>20771886
>>20772644

Latin/Greek MEGA: https://mega(dot)nz/#F!9o4QEIIK!P3piz8Bfw-z7jgb7Q8NWDg

ANE MEGA: https://mega(dot)nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg

[Anonymous No.20772664]

φεῦ, ἐπελαθόμην τοῦ βύμπειν πρὶν εἰς παλαίστραν ἰέναι

[Anonymous No.20772682]

>>20772003
Pig latin right?
>Been learning latin on duolingo for a couple of months now. Starting to finally get a hang of it. Wagmi (?) bros.

[Anonymous No.20772699]

you have 10 seconds to give me the second person plural imperfect passive subjunctive of amo without looking it up

[Anonymous No.20772905]

>>20772682
esyay anonyay. agmiway - e'reway allyay onnagay akemay ityay.

[Anonymous No.20773037]

>>20772699
"non-sequiter"

[Anonymous No.20773546]

expergiscimini

[Anonymous No.20773801]

Collar and Daniell's or Wheelock's?

[Anonymous No.20774018]

>>20773801
Probably Wheelock since it's more modern, has more videos, supplementary books, & other people who have used it that can help you out with it. Also the answer key is easier to get a hold of.

Collar and Daniell's is fine if you want a free public domain book.

[Anonymous No.20774060]

So is bald man's "method" really just to do someone else's method while listening to his recordings of yet another person's book?

[Anonymous No.20774064]

>magnum opus
Are there a lot of words like this which end with -us or -a but are neuter?

[Anonymous No.20774071]

>>20774064
tempus
corpus
virus too but that's a 2nd declension noun

I'm sure there're more

[Anonymous No.20774091]

acus
crus
decus
facinus
genus

I wouldn't say there are a lot but many of these are quite common so you'll see them often

[Anonymous No.20774843]

>>20771886
Good.

[Anonymous No.20775622]

>>20771886
Bad.

[Anonymous No.20776129]

/int/ challenge related doubt
>I wasn't expecting rain today. The forecast said it was going to be sunny all day.
my translation is
>οὐ προσεδόκων ὄμβρους τήμερον· κατὰ γὰρ μαντεῖον αἰθρία ἄν ὅλην τὴν ἡμέραν εἴη
the first part seems alright to me but I'm not sure about the second part, if it translates to something like "according to the oracle there would've been(εἴη ἄν) clear sky(αἰθρία) all day"

[Anonymous No.20776369]

>>20776129
why is it "οὐ" and not "μή"?

[Anonymous No.20776420]

>>20776369
the very general principle with some exceptions should be that οὐ(and compounds) represents objective negation, while μή(and compounds) appears typically in hypothetical, imperative, fear-clauses and these types of subjective negations
in this case it's a sentence in the indicative about an objective statement(I wasn't expecting)

[Anonymous No.20777272]

>>20771886
rip

[Anonymous No.20777370]

help pls
"tanta erat horum exercitatione celeritas ut iubis equorum sublevati cursum adaequarent"
having trouble with the result clause... so great was their speed by practice that lifted up by the manes of horses they were equal to the running? this is in caesar, regarding the german's strategy of cavalry accompanied by footsoldiers

[Anonymous No.20777393]

>>20777370
the english seems a bit convoluted but you got the sense
"so much was their quickness by their practice that they matched the horses' speed by grasping to their manes"
rearranged it's maybe more clear "(how) sublevati (by) iubis equorum adaequarent (what) cursum"

[Anonymous No.20777420]

>>20774060
Yes and there is no proof of it being used, he never used it to learn Latin, successfully to teach Latin outside of strange people on YouTube who say they also used a dictionary and memorised the grammar defeating the point of the book.

[Anonymous No.20777985]

bump ad filum perpetuandum

[Anonymous No.20778120]

>>20777370
>>20777393
I read "such was their speed by training that, supported by [naught but] their horses' manes, they matched [someone else's] pace"

[Anonymous No.20778132]

Can you look up a dictionary while reading LLPsI?

[Anonymous No.20778981]

>>20778132
I would wait until your 2nd read to look up words.

[Anonymous No.20779742]

>>20778132
Yes, but it's better in LLPSI to figure out words from context (plus marginal notes). There is a vocabulary index that shows where in LLPSI each word was introduced so you can look up words that way. I would try that as your primary method for refreshing your knowledge of vocabulary. Of course, there's nothing wrong with using a dictionary. I just wouldn't reach for onewhen you stumble across a word you don't remember or understand in LLPSI specifically.

[Anonymous No.20780222]

j*nny once again deleted the properly made thread instead of this

[Anonymous No.20780251]

>>20779742
>figure out words from context
This is terrible advice.
Look up words on your second read through or after your first. Training yourself to guess from context is an awful habit that will not serve you well in actual readings.

[Anonymous No.20780495]

>>20780222
/clg/ τέθνηκε

[Anonymous No.20780663]

>>20780251
t. has never read a book

[Anonymous No.20780671]

>>20780251
t. has never learnt a language

[Anonymous No.20780724]

>>20771886
Recommendations for where to study latin from. Duolingo is BS...

[Anonymous No.20780751]

>>20780724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Kk7VkoWbc

[Anonymous No.20780790]

>>20780751
damn that's a good video

[Anonymous No.20780819]

>>20780790
the guy who made it is a professor of classics nowadays. his whole channel is great if you are interested in language learning.

[Anonymous No.20781077]

>>20772699
amaremini?

[Anonymous No.20781101]

>>20780751
Thank you. I already know some Latin.

[Anonymous No.20781110]

>>20771886
Im going to shoot rape Emma Leganvin.

[Anonymous No.20781194]

didicitne iam aliquis latinum? volo amicos condiscipulosque ad linguam exercitandam et qui emendare et mei et cuiuscumque menda possint
(gratias tibi agam si emendas peccata mea)

[Anonymous No.20781263]

>>20781194
fere omnes hoc in filo praeter graeculos aliquot videntur latinitati operam dare, ac nihilominus pauci sunt (ut videtur nonne?) qui satis bene latine loqui possunt aut de quibuslibet nugis in animo habent in dies exercere cum aliis garrientes; haec enim mea sententia magna est difficultas ad cotidianam collocutionem iugiter servandam

[Anonymous No.20781313]

I could have chosen to save the thread once again. I saw it there, on page ten. Perhaps if I replied in those final moments, other would follow suit and it would hit the bump limit. But I let it die. Me. The universe trembles at my fingertips.

[Anonymous No.20781434]

>>20781263
tunc, interdum scribam et precabor ut aliquis respondeat et emendet nugas meas.

[Anonymous No.20781621]

See you in 6 months once i speak Latin fluently.

[Anonymous No.20782791]

>can read the New Testament fairly comfortably with no assistance
>thought I had a decent Greek level
>opened the first page of the Iliad
>literally could not understand a single fucking clause

[Anonymous No.20782853]

>>20782791
That's like saying you can read an original Shakespeare manuscript but can't understand Beowulf. They are basically different languages

[Anonymous No.20782857]

>>20771886
It was only deleted because the op got a sitewide ban

[Anonymous No.20782865]

>>20782853
That is the joke

[Anonymous No.20782887]

>>20782865
got me

[Anonymous No.20783057]

I don't trust any latin I see on the internet

[Anonymous No.20783068]

>>20783057
That is because you don't know latin

[Anonymous No.20783093]

>>20783068
no internet latin just invariably reads like:

>salve omnis ego sum loquens latinus
>ego volo esse latinum magistrum
>loquendo latinum est vere delicia

[Anonymous No.20783922]

>>20783093
So how do I learn less cringe sentences

[Anonymous No.20784241]

>>20782857
not ture

[Anonymous No.20784715]

>want to learn german
>Duolingo is shit
>dont know where to start
Welp

[Anonymous No.20784788]

>>20783057
You shouldn't trust anything you see on the internet, specially Latin.
>>20783093
I know one (1) telegram group which seems decent (Hic est latinitas)
>>20784715
take a look at both /lang/ and the pinned thread on /int/

[Anonymous No.20785090]

>>20784715
I'll stop shilling this channel when people stop asking the same questions every thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZKaTLIKeMw

[Anonymous No.20785969]

>>20784788
>>20785090
Thanks. Keep on shilling this vid, please.

[Anonymous No.20786295]

Will learning Latin make it easier to learn Greek? or is it better to just jump into Greek?

[Anonymous No.20786307]

>>20786295
definitely; unless you are also interested in Latin, just learn Greek

[Anonymous No.20786331]

>>20786295
If you are going to learn both anyway, then yes, learn Latin first. However if you are motivated and want to jump straight in to Greek that's completely fine too and that's what I did.

[Anonymous No.20786655]

>>20784715
Use this. I think there's an English version too. Also, this anon is right too >>20785090

[Anonymous No.20786752]

LCL translations be like

>Salve amice
>Greetings and salutations O most amiable of friends

[Anonymous No.20786814]

>>20786752
I think Loebs are one of the few instances where we can say that the recent ones are actually better. Jeffrey Henderson has done a great job as an editor.

[Anonymous No.20787920]

bvmp

[Anonymous No.20788921]

αἰβοῖ, board's fast today

[Anonymous No.20788954]

>>20772699
Lost me at passive subjunctive. I need to get my Latin up bros.

[Anonymous No.20789104]

How do you say "meme" in latin?

[Anonymous No.20789130]

>>20789104
mimēma

[Anonymous No.20789257]

>>20784715
Sandburg's German for reading

[Anonymous No.20789474]

>meridies dicitur ea cali pars ubi sol meridie videtur
...

quid?

[Anonymous No.20789839]

Salsa sunt etiam, quae habent suspicionem ridiculi absconditam, quo in genere est Siculi illud, cui cum familiaris quidam quereretur quod diceret uxorem suam suspendisse se de ficu, "amabo te," inquit "da mihi ex ista arbore quos seram surculos."

[Anonymous No.20790012]

ἄνδρα μεθύοντα δέξεσθε εἰς τὸ ὑμέτερον νῆμα;

[Anonymous No.20790039]

>>20790012
paedophilicus servus non sum, itaque graece non loquor

[Anonymous No.20790073]

>>20790039
graecia capta ferum victorem cepit
κέρατα ἐποιήθης βάρβαρε

[Anonymous No.20790161]

>>20790039
>paedophilicus
Heh. Verbum Graeorum locutus es. Graeeci victoriam rapiunt

[Anonymous No.20790184]

Multi verba linguae latinae ab Graecis ergo illi melior Latinis sunt.

[Anonymous No.20790375]

>>20790012
ναί, χαῖρε, ὦ φίλε!

[Anonymous No.20790385]

>paedophilicus servus non sum, itaque graece non loquor

[Anonymous No.20790512]

>>20780751
>I can read fluently thanks to LLPSI.
>Why yes, I did learn Latin for 5 years before that.
Every time.

[Anonymous No.20790527]

>>20790512
Its even better when people say "I also used this grammar book to help me read llspi" without realising how stupid it is to say it

[Anonymous No.20790532]

>>20780751
>An hour or more to translate a page of Latin
I think if it takes you that long then you probably aren't fluent enough to be doing that

[Anonymous No.20790560]

>>20784715
memini duolingo utilis est

[Anonymous No.20790562]

>>20790527
>without realising how stupid it is to say it
why is that supposed to be stupid?

[Anonymous No.20790605]

>>20790512
>after 5 years of grammar translations I still couldn't read Latin fluently
>after reading LLPSI I could read Latin more or less like any other modern language
I'm all for grammar translations to get a good grasp of Latin grammar but why are you people so against extensive reading? Same with Greek, it took me an hour or so to translate a page of Plato until I read the Italian edition of Athenaze.

[Anonymous No.20790618]

bros, the last chapter of LLPSI (the poetry one) is destroying me. i'm fine with all the chapters but that one. why is latin poetry so annoyingly difficult? i might forget about it and move onto sermones romani

[Anonymous No.20790624]

>>20790562
Because the whole point of the llspi book is you dont study grammar at all bar whats provided in the book.
Its also a bad sign when a book for teaching a language can't do it without help from another.

[Anonymous No.20790634]

>>20790512
Always. Even better is:
>I studied Spanish for 10 years and did "gammar translation" Latin for 5 years before that.

[Anonymous No.20790640]

>>20790624
>Because the whole point of the llspi book is you dont study grammar
Is it? Where did you read it?

[Anonymous No.20790656]

>>20790605
You are not understanding the criticism that people are making at all. The critique is not that reading is "le bad!". The argument is that people who studied a language through grammar for 5 years before doing graded reading recommend that beginners just jump headfirst into the graded reading with no English and no grammar and tell them to expect the same results.

This was given as an example before, but I'll repeat it if you haven't heard it yet. Let's say you are a native English speaker who only knows English and wants to learn Old Norse. Let's say I am a native Swedish speaker who is fluent in Old Norse. Is it really accurate for me to say that you don't need to study grammar of Old Norse you just have to buy the same textbook that I used?

Obviously I had experience that accelerated my learning process. Likewise when someone studies grammar for 5 years and then uses LLPSI, it's not honest to tell people that they only need LLPSI. The point people are making is that nobody who shills LLPSI as a lone resource from the start actually used it that way themselves. They all studied grammar prior and then tell you not to. Nobody is fluent from only using that book unless they were a native Romance language speaker who attended a spoken Latin course with a fluent teacher who explained grammar. No monolingual Anglos achieved fluency with 1 book with no English in it.

The book is fine, it's not magic.

[Anonymous No.20790660]

you should be having this conversation about lipsi in latin btw, otherwise you're just retards who don't know what they're talking about

[Anonymous No.20790666]

>>20790660
Considering you wrote this in English, you can shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.20790668]

>>20790656
I only used LLPSI (took me 1 year to go through it. I went through it multiple times during that year (maybe around 8-9 times)) and I was able to read Caesar without any difficulty.

[Anonymous No.20790673]

>>20790668
As a monolingual native English speaker?
As a lone resource without using any other grammar books or courses?
Without asking people online for help?
Without watching grammar explanation YouTube videos?
Without reading grammar charts online?

[Anonymous No.20790680]

Llspi is strange. The whole idea was to teach latin without using any grammar notes but somehow the author failed to do even the most basic part of the idea he attached himself to

[Anonymous No.20790687]

>>20790673
>As a monolingual native English speaker?
Yes
>As a lone resource without using any other grammar books or courses?
Yes
>Without asking people online for help?
Yes
>Without watching grammar explanation YouTube videos?
No, I had to look up the subjunctive mood, gerunds and gerundives and I found latintutorial's youtube videos on them which helped greatly.
>Without reading grammar charts online?
Yes, I made my own charts by writing out the grammar explanation bits at the end of each chapter in a notebook. Plus there are charts at the end of the book for noun cases and other stuff. I went over them every night before bed.

[Anonymous No.20790704]

>>20790605
>but why are you people so against extensive reading?
Because people who "learn" classical languages tend to have a predilection towards doing everything other than learning their target languages. They can only conceptualise methods as being diametrically opposed to one another, thus everything to them is either/or. For whatever fucking reason they can't reconcile doing LLSPI whilst simultaneously drilling grammar and translating sentences. The same applies to those who vehemently oppose immersion learning and solely drill declension tables without reading a single page until they've memorised every single grammatical form. Almost all of these threads are reduced to a shit-flinging contest within the first few replies, solely because autists can't wrap their pee-sized brains around the fact that learning a language is a multifaceted process.

Autists of such calibre should stay the fuck away from learning languages. You morons don't learn languages and never have.

[Anonymous No.20790720]

>>20790704
>whilst simultaneously drilling grammar and translating sentences.
Because thats the whole fucking point of the book that you don't do that

[Anonymous No.20790726]

>>20790666
scripsit anglice quia temo ne non intellegant si scribam latine
et ego numquam dixit peritum me esse: nescio quod ad discendum melius esse
>haec disputatio de lipsi latine tenenda est, nisi ignorantes estis qui nesciunt quod affirmant
sicut dixit, peritus non sum, sed saltim conor loqui latine

[Anonymous No.20790727]

>>20790687
I disagree with you and many other people's exaggeration of the book's use, but I don't want to make any bad faith arguments, so I'll say I believe you, but I don't think this is normal. I think the amount of the times you'd had to re-read those boring stories would lead most people to madness. And of course the subjunctive and gerunds are so important to be "guessing" how they work.

My biggest problem with this whole thing is that it screams "orthodoxy". LLPSI fans whine so much about strict Edwardian notions on how a classical language was to be learnt, but then replaced one flawed ideological pedagogy with another. I recommend people use Wheelock AND LLPSI. Not one or the other. This screams cult.

>>20790704
This entire post goes out of it's way to misrepresent the opposing side which is typical of this crowd.
>They can only conceptualise methods as being diametrically opposed to one another, thus everything to them is either/or. For whatever fucking reason they can't reconcile doing LLSPI whilst simultaneously drilling grammar and translating sentences.
Scroll up.
>solely because autists can't wrap their pee-sized brains around the fact that learning a language is a multifaceted process.
The autistic ones are the ones that think reading English will break their "IMMERSION COMPREHENSIBLE INPOOT" because they watched Stephen Krashen video. There's nothing autistic about using English explanations to learn a language.

[Anonymous No.20790739]

>>20790727
I'm not against studying grammar. I just find it boring.
>And of course the subjunctive and gerunds are so important to be "guessing" how they work.
LLPSI is not a self-study book. It's supposed to be used in a classroom with a teacher, so if you have any trouble they can explain things to you. This is why the answers to the questions aren't in the book. They're in a separate teaching materials book.

[Anonymous No.20790750]

>>20790727
You both misrepresent each other equally. It's always bad faith no matter what.
>The autistic ones are the ones that think reading English will break their "IMMERSION COMPREHENSIBLE INPOOT"
You don't think I'm criticising those people in my post?

Both sides are just as bad as one another. You both trivialize each method and emphasise one at the detriment of the other, despite the fact that studying grammar whilst reading LLSPI can be done at the exact same time. It's the most nauseating thing ever.

[Anonymous No.20790780]

>>20790727
>those boring stories
I didn't find them boring. Marcus' shenanigans were hilarious, the wandering sheep saved from the clutches of a hungry wolf was cute, Syra's story telling chapters were fun, and Aemilia's brother's letter was heart-wrenching.

I'm currently reading the Vulgate and I'm finding it more boring than LLPSI. I'm reading Leviticus and so far it's full of boring Jewish laws and it's very repetitive. "The veil of the tabernacle must be purple!!" Why? Does God only like purple? What about the other colours? You can't do X unless it's a certain day then you can do X but not on Y day. Why? BECAUSE I SAVED YOU FROM EGYPT AND I AM YOUR GOD. YOU MUST OBEY ME. I SAVED YOU FROM EGYPT, OK???

[Anonymous No.20790791]

>>20790532
>you probably aren't fluent enough to be doing that
As opposed to what?

[Anonymous No.20790795]

>>20790750
>You don't think I'm criticising those people in my post?
No i didn't because you didn't make that clear, it was mostly directed at me replying to my post.
>Both sides are just as bad as one another. You both trivialize each method and emphasize one at the detriment of the other, despite the fact that studying grammar whilst reading LLSPI can be done at the exact same time. It's the most nauseating thing ever.
You didn't read my post. I said that I recommended using both Wheelock and LLPSI. I said that the book was perfectly fine, it just wasn't magical all-in-one solution.

You didn't read what I said and you added nothing to the discussion. You are like those people who think they are profound when they are asked which political party they support and they say "all politicians are liars" holy shit bro never looked at it that way, so profound.

You just want to portray yourself as the sane guy in the middle who wants to take sides, meanwhile when someone from either side makes a good point, you ignore it. When someone from either side deviates from your stereotyped assumptions, like when i recommended both books, - you ignore it because it messes up your narrative that I'm as obsessed with Wheelock or Moreland & Fleischer as these zoomers are with Orberg and Stephen Krashen. I can't be reasonable because you need two unreasonable people to your right and left to wag your finger at and be condescending to.

As I said earlier, you complain a lot but add nothing to the conversation besides your self righteousness.

[Anonymous No.20790808]

>>20790780
>I didn't find them boring.
That's perfectly fair, but a lot of people do, especially when you are reading them 7 times in a row because someone on YouTube told you to.
>I'm currently reading the Vulgate and I'm finding it more boring than LLPSI. I'm reading Leviticus and so far it's full of boring Jewish laws and it's very repetitive
You started with the old testament? Oof. Leviticus, Numbers, & Deuteronomy are mostly laws written by the priestly class. Are you familiar with the Bible at all? Psalms and Song of Songs are based. The rest of the Old Testament is lifted from Phoenecian, Hittite, Egyptian, Sumerian, Assyrian, Ugaritic, & Babylonian mythology with the Jews replacing whoever the heroes are.

[Anonymous No.20790823]

>>20790726
you can't even write a single sentence without mistakes

I won't lose my time answering in Latin trolls like you, don't even bother (you)ing me

stop butchering the language and start studying once and for all, you really need it

[Anonymous No.20790827]

>>20790808
>You started with the old testament?
Yeah, isn't that normal?
>Leviticus, Numbers, & Deuteronomy are mostly laws written by the priestly class.
Should I skip them?
>Are you familiar with the Bible at all?
Nope, I was raised in a non-religious house.

[Anonymous No.20790837]

>>20790795
What a retarded post.
>You didn't read my post
Yeah and I'm not reading this one.
>you complain a lot but add nothing to the conversation
So doesn't anyone who unironically engages with this retarded dichotomy.
If you don't belong to either side you have no reason to feel attacked by my post.

This general wouldn't exist without the shit-flinging though. It is what it is.

[Anonymous No.20790841]

>>20790827
Most people start with the Gospels, usually John since it's easy. People learning Latin I mean. You can skip them it's mostly laws against bestiality and sleeping with your wife on her period.

>Nope, I was raised in a non-religious house.
Don't read it from front to back. It's not 1 book, it's a series of books thrown together that contradict eachother and are written by different people with different agendas. Read the Gospel of John first.

To the guy above, since you admitted you aren't reading the posts that you are even replying to, I'm not giving you any more (you)s. Goodnight.

[Anonymous No.20790851]

>>20790841
>Don't read it from front to back. It's not 1 book, it's a series of books thrown together that contradict eachother and are written by different people with different agendas. Read the Gospel of John first.
Ooooh, okay, that makes sense. Cheers.

[Anonymous No.20790857]

I'm actually excited now. I think I'll start on the Gospel of John now. I was getting really, really, really sick of Leviticus. It's time to read. See ya later, friends.

[Anonymous No.20790910]

>>20790857
Textus Receptus? Novum Testamentum Graece? Vulgata?

[Anonymous No.20790914]

Latin shouldn't use Greek compounds

[Anonymous No.20790922]

What's a good online Latin dictionary? I use Wiktionary but it also shows other languages which makes it really annoying to use on mobile.

[Anonymous No.20790932]

>>20790922
Wiktionary is really poorly designed vut I don't use an online one

[Anonymous No.20790937]

>>20790375
χαῖρε καὶ σύ, ὦ βέλτιστε. πῶς ἔχεις σήμερον;

[Anonymous No.20790953]

>>20772120
amor
amoris
amori
amorem
amore
amor

amores
amorum
amoribus
amores
amoribus
amores

[Anonymous No.20790960]

Italia in Europa est.

[Anonymous No.20790966]

>>20790960
based

[Anonymous No.20790972]

>>20790953
Ahhhh I'm going isnane its someone trying to memorise something!

[Anonymous No.20790987]

>>20790922
Whitaker's Words. It has an app for mobile or desktop. No grammr charts like Wiktionary unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.20790991]

>>20790972

[Anonymous No.20791003]

>>20790922
ego dizionario-latino.com utor
dubito multum bonum esse quia non habet citationes auctorum, sed satis bonus est ad quaerendas definitiones, meā sententiā

[Anonymous No.20791039]

Maybe kind of a weird question, but does anyone know of any good logic texts written in Latin that I could pick up?

[Anonymous No.20791387]

>>20791039
didn't Peano wrote some stuff in Latin?
there must be for sure a lot of of medieval and modern stuff on the subject, bit I don't know about any contemporary texts. sorry I can't help

[Anonymous No.20791394]

>>20791387
>wrote
write

[Anonymous No.20791478]

mementote disputationem de lipsi nominare si filum paginam decimam appropinquet

[Anonymous No.20791488]

/clg/ should stay dead

[Anonymous No.20791512]

>>20791488
filum de linguis mortuis, mortuum manendum est

[Anonymous No.20791524]

>>20791512
fundatur

[Anonymous No.20791530]

I’ve never seen a LLPSI shill who could actually write latin well.

[Anonymous No.20791581]

ἀποκρίνασθε τῷδε τῷ ἐξηγγελμένῳ· ἢ ἡ ὑμῶν μήτηρ ἀποθανεῖται τήνδε τὴν νύκτα καθεύδουσα

[Anonymous No.20791587]

>>20791581
μιαρώτατ' ἀνθρώπων πάντων

[Anonymous No.20791595]

Οὔκ εἰμι μάργος! Οἶδα τοῦτον μεταθέντα ἐκείνους τοὺς ἀριθμούς, ᾔδειν ὄντας ͵ασαϛ΄ . Εἷς μετὰ τὸν Μέγαν Χάρτην. Ὥσπερ εἰ ἐνεδέχετό μοι τοιοῦτον ἐξαμαρτεῖν. Οὔχ, οὔποτε! Ἀλλ' ἁπλῶς - ἁπλῶς οὐχ οἷος τ' ἦ ἐλέγξαι. Ἠφάνισε τὰ ἴχνη αὐτοῦ, ἔπεισε καὶ ἐκεῖνον τὸν μωρὸν ἐν τῷ τυπογραφείῳ ψεύσασθαι αὐτῷ. Οἴεσθε τοῦτό τι εἶναι; Μῶν οἴεσθε τοῦτο κακόν; Τουτί; ὅδε ὁ φενακισμός; Ἔτι χείρω ἐποίησεν. Ἡ πινακίς! Λέγετέ μοί τῳ συμβαίνειν οὕτω πεσεῖν; Οὔχ! Οὗτος κατεσκεύασεν! Ἰάκωβος! Ἀπεπάτησε δι' ἡλιοροφῆς! Καὶ ἐξέσωσα αὐτόν! Κοὐ χρῆν! Παρέλαβον αὐτὸν εἰς τὴν ἐμὴν ἐργασίαν! Τί ἐφρόνουν; Οὔποτε μεταβαλεῖται. Οὔ γε μήν ποτε μεταβαλεῖται! Ἀφ' οὗ ἐννέα ἔτη ἦν, ἀεὶ αὑτός! Οὐ κατεῖχεν τὼ χεῖρε ἐκ τοῦ γλωσσοκομείου! Ἀλλ' οὐχ ὁ Ἰάκωβος ἡμῶν! Οὐκ ἂν ἦν ὁ ἀγαπητὸς Ἰάκωβος! Ἐλάνθανε τούτους κλέπτων! Καὶ οὗτος μέλλει δικηγόρος ἔσεσθαι; Ὡς μιαρὰ παιδιά! Ἔδει με παῦσαι αὐτὸν ὅτε καιρός μοι παρέστη.
Καὶ νῦν ἡμᾶς... ἡμᾶς χρὴ τοῦτον παῦσαι... ἡμᾶς...
Συγγνωστέον μοι... ἐξηνέχθην...

[Anonymous No.20791606]

>>20791587
σύ με μιαρὸν λέγεις ὁ βατράχους ἐκφέρων εἰς τὸ νῆμα καὶ διὰ τούτων πάσης μιαρίας μεστὸν αὐτὸ ποιῶν; ὡς γέλοιον...

[Anonymous No.20791630]

>>20791606
οὐ φροντίς μοι τῷ βατράχους ἀγγέλλοντι

[Anonymous No.20791661]

>>20791630
ποῖόν σε ἔπος φύγεν ἔρκος ὀδόντων; ἐκπέπλησμαι τῆς σῆς ἀγνωμοσύνης. νῦν πατάξω σε τῷ ῥοπάλῳ ἵνα μάθῃς μὴ βατράχους εἰκῇ δημοσίᾳ τιθέναι

[Anonymous No.20791666]

>>20791530
an tu recte scribere potes?

[Anonymous No.20791668]

>>20791530
To add to this, it’s almost like you can’t substitute the decades worth of time and immersion needed to fully learn a language via the natural method with a single book. Hell I know people who have lived in foreign countries for years who still can’t speak their languages consistently grammatically (or at all), and that’s surrounded by native speakers.

[Anonymous No.20791677]

>>20791661
ἕρκος*. ὑπὸ τῆς σῆς βατραχομανίας ἐξώλισθον τοῦ ὀρθῶς γράφειν

[Anonymous No.20791680]

>>20791668
>with a single book
nemo umquam hoc dixit

[Anonymous No.20791689]

>>20790795
>>20790727
One of the very few rational posters and he gets argued with by bad faith faggots

[Anonymous No.20791696]

>>20791680
Saepe dicitur his in filis ipsis

>>20791666
>6 words
>present indicative verb
yawn

Difficilie non est sic scribere.

[Anonymous No.20791724]

>>20791696
>Difficilie non est sic scribere.
scripsit scribens sententiam verborum cinque

[Anonymous No.20791727]

>>20791724
>cinque
quinque

[Anonymous No.20791753]

>>20791724
ignosce, telephonio id scripsi itaque prave computavi

[Anonymous No.20791755]

>>20791696
>Saepe dicitur his in filis ipsis
no one says that. stop it. in fact pic related is the study plan for LLPSI which is more than 1 book.

[Anonymous No.20791760]

Arabic > Greek > Latin

[Anonymous No.20791771]

>>20791760
arabic is the ugliest language ever. if i wanted to hear guttural throat sounds then i'd watch deepthroat vomit porn.

[Anonymous No.20791781]

>>20791760
arabic is the most beautiful language ever. by comparison greek and latin sound like deepthroat vomit porn.

[Anonymous No.20791783]

>>20791781
cmonBruh

[Anonymous No.20791784]

>>20791696
si illic necesse subiunctivum uti fuerit, id usus sim, at non erat

[Anonymous No.20791809]

>>20791753
non dixi te prave computavisse, sed te quinque verba scriptum esse

[Anonymous No.20791817]

>>20791771
>>20791781
dualitas hominis

[Anonymous No.20791835]

>>20791809
>scriptum esse
scripsisse

[Anonymous No.20791941]

>>20791784
*subiunctivo
utor ut potior et alia verba talia casum subiunctivum gubernat

[Anonymous No.20791954]

>>20791941
*ablativum
hodie haud scribere possum wtf

[Anonymous No.20791960]

>>20791954
>wtf
quid est 'wtf'?

[Anonymous No.20791962]

hexametris omnes nugae scribuntor amici
vultis enim si vosmet abhinc monstrare peritos

[Anonymous No.20791975]

>>20772003
>AGMIWAY osbray.
KEK

[Anonymous No.20792147]

>>20791962
Paene simplices sententias scribere possum, et non sum certus eas recte scribam. Nimis quaeris.

[Anonymous No.20792154]

>>20791941
gratias tibi ago ¿pro? emendatione

[Anonymous No.20792163]

>>20791962
I can't read hexameters, let alone write them.

I think I'm taking a break from Latin for a while.

[Anonymous No.20792256]

quae acroamata latine vobis placent?

[Anonymous No.20792278]

Does anyone bother memorizing the Latin Greek declensions?

[Anonymous No.20792301]

I'm just starting to study Latin thanks to this thread. I cannot express enough my gratitude for the mega resources.

I'm studying through Wheelock's Latin and the Cambridge Latin course.

One question: When pronouncing Ecce is it "Ek-ke" or "E-Che"? Wheelock says C is always hard, but I've seen videos with the latter pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.20792328]

>>20792301
yes, C is always hard.
>but I've seen videos with the latter pronunciation
they're wrong.
also, don't be discouraged by the discussion here to try out LLPSI after you have some grammar under your belt. it's a great resource that many use incorrectly.

[Anonymous No.20792338]

>>20792278
Y-Yes...?

[Anonymous No.20792351]

Does anyone know of a good Latin podcast or audio series that focuses on learning the language rather than the host just speaking in Latin?

[Anonymous No.20792353]

>>20792328
>they’re wrong
What if they’re just using ecclesiastical pronunciation?

[Anonymous No.20792374]

>>20792301
it depends if you use ecclesiastical or restituta pronunciation

[Anonymous No.20792383]

>>20792353
then they're wrong. anything related to the ch*rch is wrong

[Anonymous No.20792384]

ecclesiastical bad bald man told me so

[Anonymous No.20792436]

Trying to think of an alternative to -logia words in Latin. I'm not sure.
-itas?
-nomen?
Is there any attested usage of something used instead? I just thought it was sad a language like Latin would rely on these sorts of compound words from another language.

[Anonymous No.20792451]

>>20792278
Yes that's how its been taught since Roman times.

[Anonymous No.20792467]

>>20792328
>>20792374
Thanks!
>also, don't be discouraged by the discussion here to try out LLPSI after you have some grammar under your belt.
Will do

[Anonymous No.20792507]

>>20792436
No language exists in a vacuum. The Greek influence on Latin doesn't detract from its beauty or dignity.

[Anonymous No.20792618]

>Powell's mother taught him Greek in just over two weeks during the Christmas break in 1925 and by the time he started the next term he had attained fluency in Greek that most pupils would reach after two years.
No fucking way, man. How did they do it?

[Anonymous No.20792648]

>>20792618
athenaze

[Anonymous No.20792684]

>>20792648
OO ZDEU KHALEPOS ESTIN HO BIOS

[Anonymous No.20792790]

>>20792436
stop coping and embrace historic and linguistic reality

[Anonymous No.20792799]

διὰ μίσους ἔχω αἰθίοπας

[Anonymous No.20792951]

>>20792618
>While at university, in one Greek prose examination lasting three hours, he was asked to translate a passage into Greek. Powell walked out after one and a half hours, having produced translations in the styles of Plato and Thucydides. He was awarded a double starred first in Latin and Greek, the highest degree possible and extremely rare.

I wonder how he was taught it.

[Anonymous No.20792959]

>>20792951
you read about his early life and realise that he achieved more before turning 18 than most academics in their lives.

[Anonymous No.20792962]

>>20792799
elaborate

[Anonymous No.20793008]

>>20792951
maybe be trivial but I think it's really reading, reading, reading to a degree most of us even without his intelligence and retention ability aren't even familiar with
even when I grew up and computers/smartphones weren't around I was never able to spend much time reading, while this guy as a kid apparently went around carrying books, and doing this as a kid if anything is an advantage since your brain should be at its peak capacity to absorb languages

[Anonymous No.20793063]

>>20793008
This is the only thing I've been able to find referencing how he learnt Greek. Bottom.

[Anonymous No.20793313]

>>20791689
The only reason I keep trying is because I know there are young guys who are just starting their study who are being misled by shit advice. I'll keep trying to at least make sure accurate information is out there.

The idea that anyone would have to choose between graded reading and grammar is so nonsensical, it deserves to be confronted at every step of the way, regardless of how popular this mob mentality is.

[Anonymous No.20793324]

>>20793313
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.20793347]

>>20771886
Just when I start reading Αθήναζε

[Anonymous No.20793363]

>>20793347
this thread hasn't been that bad. maybe we'll continue.

[Anonymous No.20794010]

WAKE UP

[Anonymous No.20794240]

nihil intersum

[Anonymous No.20794354]

>>20793313
gratias tibi agimus

[Anonymous No.20794385]

scribitote latine, amici. etiamsi prave scribitis. anglicus meus terribilis est (latinus quoque) at tamen cotidie anglice scribo

[Anonymous No.20794624]

>>20792328
>LLPSI

[Anonymous No.20794638]

Intellegit Google Translate grammaticam Latinam?

[Anonymous No.20794694]

quam linguam latinam amo. ut situla est LEGOrum magna eamque loquens puer denuo fio.

[Anonymous No.20795228]

>>20790987
Nigger's Words sucks. Use Logeion, Perseus, or Online-Latin Dictionary.

[Anonymous No.20795230]

When is it safe to learn French without pushing out my Latin?

[Anonymous No.20795234]

>>20795228
He was asking for a mobile app for his phone you dipshit. Read the post I was replying to. He was complaining how bad Wiktionary was on mobile.

[Anonymous No.20795241]

>>20795234
Those are still alternatives to Wiktionary, and I can confirm that they are usable on an Android. Logeion has an app for iPhones.

[Anonymous No.20795244]

>>20795241
I don't care, you were mean to me for no reason.

[Anonymous No.20795296]

If you can't write using different measures of poetry and in different styles from different eras then I'm afraid you are not fluent.

[Anonymous No.20795302]

>>20793313
Yep. You're autistic.

[Anonymous No.20795340]

>>20795296
That is true, but you can still be "fluent" in Thucydides or Herodotus and be able to analyse their style critically but not do the same with Aeschylus and Pindar.

[Anonymous No.20795395]

>greek learners
>you learned x greek so now you can only read y book and NOTHING else hehe tough luck pal

[Anonymous No.20795431]

>>20795395
If you can read Thucydides, you can read almost every greek prose writer. It's not a code, it's a (formerly) living language.

[Anonymous No.20795500]

>>20795431
>, it's a (formerly) living language
Unlike Latin which for the most part was not a living language in most classical texts

[Anonymous No.20795605]

>>20795500
what's your point?

[Anonymous No.20795975]

>>20792962
τί πλεῖν δεῖ λόγων ὥστε τοῦτο διδάξαι σε;

[Anonymous No.20795991]

>>20795605
Greek is real. Latin is fake.

[Anonymous No.20796023]

ὦνδρες ἀττικίζοντες, ἱκετεύω, ἐσβλέψαιτ' ἄν ἐς τοῦτο >>20776129

[Anonymous No.20796386]

>>20796023
μάλα καλῶς ὡς ἐμοὶ δοκεῖ. ποικιλίας δὲ ἕνεκεν τὸ δυνατὸν ὡς διαφόρως τε καὶ πρὸς τέλος τι ἔστι σημήνασθαι σοὶ δείξω· λέγοις γὰρ καὶ ἔμελλε ἔσεσθαι καὶ ἔμελλε γενέσθαι καὶ ἂν ἦυν εἰ ἐπὶ τοῦ παρεληλυθότος τὸ δυνατὸν γενέσθαι ἐγίνετο. ἄλλως δὲ ἄριστά μοι δοκεῖς γράψαι τὴν δοκιμασία. ἀνάγομαι μέντοι ὡς ἐρωτήσων σε εἰ πλείους ἔχεις ἡμῖν προβαλεῖν ὥστε συνασκῆσαί σοι εἰς τὸ ἑρμηνεύειν.

[Anonymous No.20796393]

>>20796386
καὶ ἂν ἦν*
δοκιμασίαν*
τοὺς δακτύλους μου ἀποτραγεῖν ἔστιν ὅτε βούλομαι διὰ τὸ ὑπὸ τάχους σφάλλεσθαι περὶ τὸ πλήσσειν

[Anonymous No.20796756]

>>20796386
χάριν ἔχω σοι πολλήν, φίλε, μάλα θαυμάζω τὴν σὴν λογιότητα καὶ δὴ οὐκ αὐτίκα ἐδυνήθην συνιέναι σε, ἔγωγε δὲ οὔπω δύναμαι οὕτω καλῶς ἀττικίζειν καὶ δήπου δεῖ με πλεῖον ἀναγιγνώσκειν και μελετᾶν

[Anonymous No.20796837]

>>20796756
μὴ φρόντιζε τούτου, ὦριστε· καὶ γὰρ ὅσον με εἰδέναι ἄντικρυς καλὸς ἑλληνιστὴς εἶ τε ἤδη καὶ ὕστερον μᾶλλον ἐπιδώσει εἰς τοῦτό γε ἐπιθυμούσης τῆς σῆς διανοίας πρὸς τὴν μάθησιν μετ' ἐπιμελείας φέρεσθαι· οὗ ἐλπὶς οὐ σμικρὰ γενέσθαι ἐνεῖναί σοι φαίνεται. τί δέ; ἔχοις ἂν ἡμῖν εἰπεῖν ποίοις τισὶ ἀρχαίων καὶ ἐλλογίμων ἀνδρῶν συντάγμασιν εἴτε ἐντετύχηκας εἴτε ἐν νῷ ἔχεις ἐντυχεῖν; οὐ γὰρ ἀνάξιον κρίνω μετά σου κοινῇ τι συναναγνῶναι εἴ σοι γε βουλομένῳ ἐστί.

[Anonymous No.20797565]

>>20796837
τῶν ἀρχαίων ἀνδρῶν πλὴν πέρους τινὸς τῶν τοῦ Ἀριστοφάνους Ἀχαρνῶν ἐν «Ἀθήναζε» συντεθειμένου καὶ μικρῶν μερῶν τινων ἐκ τῆς Βίβλου, οὐδένι ἄλλῳ ἤδη ἐνέτυχον· ἐν τῷ παρόντι ἀναγιγνώσκω «Morice's stories in Attic» ὡς πλείους λέξεις μαθησόμενος πρὶν ἐπιχειρεῖν τινὶ χαλεπωτέρῳ· περὶ τούτων ἐν νῷ ἔχω κατὰ τὸ εἰκὸς Κύρου Ἀνάβασιν παρὰ τοῦ Ξενοφῶντος πρῶτον ἀναγιγνώσκειν, ἔστιν ὡς ἔοικε καλόν τι βιβλίον τοῖς μαθηταῖς ὡς ἐμοί

[Anonymous No.20797795]

ギリシャ語研究家さんたちのお陰でこのスレが良くなってきたでござる。

[Anonymous No.20797926]

Is there any reason to learn attic/koine first over latin? I know latin has a much bigger corpus of avaliable works, translated and not, but frankly I just do not care much for latin but I really wanna learn greek. But it feels like theres literally no reason to learn greek since everything written in it is translated either to english or into latin.

[Anonymous No.20797969]

>>20797926
what I can say is that although I'm the kind of person that never understood poetry or was never into it, it is fundamentally a different and pleasant experience to e.g read Virgil in its original meter and "hear it" instead of reading just a translation; the translation may be excellent and you'll get a nice story to read, but it's never the same if you don't have its rhythm, which especially in western languages IIRC is essentially inimitable
so there's that angle for Greek as well

I'd like to hear people's opinion on philosophy/metaphysics as well, if the sort of argument by its nature is such that it's worthwhile to learn the language, or translation + commentaries fundamentally does 99.9% of the job
of course for things like historical treatises or annals I'd assume there isn't really much left behind by translations

[Anonymous No.20799630]

>>20797565
ἡ Κύρου Ἀνάβασις βελτίστη ἀφορμὴ ὑπάρχει εἰς τὸ ἑλληνίζειν. καὶ γὰρ καὶ Ξενοφῶν αὐτὸς οὐκ ἀδίκως παρὰ τοῖς μετὰ ἀττικὴ μέλισσα προσηγορεύθη διὰ τὴν γλυκύτητα τοῦ λόγου ὥπσερ μέλι στάζοντος. οὐ μὴν ἀλλὰ καὶ τῇ εἰρομένῃ λέξῃ μάλιστα χρώμενος ῥᾴδιον συνιέναι παρέχει ἀεὶ τὸ αὐτῷ γεγραμμένον. βούλει ἄρα καὶ ἐν ἑτέρῳ τόπῳ ἀλλήλοις συντύχωμεν ὦ δαιμόνιε, discord λέγω εἴ τι τοιοῦτον;

[Anonymous No.20799698]

>>20791595
Shit I can't read anything without vocab

[Anonymous No.20799761]

>>20797969
For textual criticism, as always, knowledge of the original language is needed and because Plato has been read in so many ways throughout the years, you can't truly formulate your own view of him through a translation BUT you will get most of it, and you'll be able to read a lot more because its still difficult to read philosophy in another, archaic language, especially since many of the words are hapax legomena so its not even possible to read these texts like you would a regular book. And many times there are accepted translations for things which efface the possibilities of interpretation, like "essence" in Aristotle actually being, in the original Greek, "τί ἐστί", which translates to "what is", and many other terms which are much less exact than the terms Latin metaphysicians would use. though apparently "essence" is actually a calque from ουσία which is a abstract derivation of the present participle of εἰμί (of which ἐστί above is the 3rd singular form)

[Anonymous No.20799777]

Is it okay to just occasionally post random latin sentances here and expect someone who's an expert "Magister" if you will to correct me?
I'm trying to learn to read latin but like when I was learning spanish I find it's easier for me to practice by composition rather than brute force memorize some stupid declension / conjugation table
For example here's something I did last night
>Chartis cum amicis Ieremiae heri ludi. Ludus chartae non comprehendi quia ebrius fui et parvam pecuniam perdidi
Let me know if you understand what that means and if I made any gramatical erros, please monete me amici!

[Anonymous No.20800161]

>>20797926
Not really. You can learn both but really you might as well only learn one so you can actually focus on reading. Learning the language won't overall get you closer to the text so you are just learning for the enjoyment of it or to test your skills.

[Anonymous No.20800168]

>>20797969
>of course for things like historical treatises or annals I'd assume there isn't really much left behind by translations
That's the only real reason to learn these languages. Especially for medieval texts there are many untranslated but again they're untranslated for a reason because they don't have much use for even the most studious person.

[Anonymous No.20800387]

>>20785090
>it's been four (4) years since his last upload
>he'll never continue his history of greek

[Anonymous No.20800584]

>>20800387
Whenever a history or language YouTuber rarely uploads, that usually is a good sign that they are too busy actually studying instead of shilling for Patreon supporters like a cheap whore.

[Anonymous No.20800822]

ok I tried using anki to steadily build up a deck of vocabulary, however I found that after about a week of being introduced to new words their meanings became harder and harder to remember, with only the first 100ish being memorable

Is SRS a total meme for anything more than roughly 100 words? I thought it could help me memorise a good amount of vocabulary for a specific text so that I can just focus on comprehending the grammar of the text without needing to constantly look the vocabulary up.

[Anonymous No.20800828]

>>20785090
>you should learn languages by just reading without knowing what it says
>no I never did that but you should

[Anonymous No.20800840]

>>20800822
I have an Anki deck of about 2000 Latin and Greek words. I learn words from the context that I find them in and use Anki to reinforce my memorisation.
You shouldn't use it to learn vocabulary but only as a supplement.

[Anonymous No.20800843]

>>20800840
>Anki deck
All opinions dropped and ignored. No one should listen to some feminine man on learning.

[Anonymous No.20800873]

>>20800843
ἐκεῖνος ἑλληνιστί ἤ ῥωμαιστί φάθι

[Anonymous No.20800878]

>>20799777
*ludum chartae/chartarum non comprehendi
conamur saepe nugis aliquot latinis tempus terere inter nos garrientes, quodammodo fortasse profuerit

[Anonymous No.20800906]

>>20784715
watch terrible youtube videos in german until you figure it out. worked for me

[Anonymous No.20800919]

>>20800843
Omg based

[Anonymous No.20800926]

>>20800822
>Is SRS a total meme for anything more than roughly 100 words
Yep.
>I thought it could help me memorise a good amount of vocabulary for a specific text so that I can just focus on comprehending the grammar of the text without needing to constantly look the vocabulary up.
You have to do a lot of reading of simple texts to build that base vocabulary. Look up "latin reader" on Archive.org There are tons of them posted them in PDF form for free. If you are familiar with Aesop's Fables or Fabulae Faciles, they are basically like that. Also check out Ad Alpes and Via Latina.

[Anonymous No.20801820]

>>20800822
>Is SRS a total meme for anything more than roughly 100 words?
Definitely not, I've learned well over 10,000 words with Anki over the last year. For me it worked pretty much exactly as you describe where I could focus on the grammar and syntax instead of constantly having to consult a dictionary and it completely changed my life w/r/t Greek

You are at the mercy, though, of there being a frequency-organized deck for your language somewhere. For more obscure languages I've had to make my own decks simply in the random order that I come across words and it can be a slog. Like I'm sure there are words in my Coptic deck that are literal hapax legomena

[Anonymous No.20801913]

>>20801820
omg are you the coptic anon?? how did you learn coptic? PLS respond

[Anonymous No.20801947]

>>20800926
or you can do the chad method, finish your elementary text and just start reading caesar
>noooooo I have to refer to a dictionary too often
it'll get better by the end of book 1

[Anonymous No.20802017]

>>20801947
>the chad method
can't even learn a language without bringing some sports fan mentality into it

[Anonymous No.20802035]

>>20802017
>sports fan mentality
what? just read challenging texts, it might be painful but you'll get there. if that's sports fan mentality then sure.

[Anonymous No.20802095]

>>20801820
also please drop your anki deck for latin.
PLEAAAAAASE

[Anonymous No.20802100]

>>20802035
Unless you are Enoch Powell you should supplement that with as much extensive reading as you can. I'm reading Diodorus Siculus alongside the Italian Athenaze and redoing every translation exercise in my old textbook. They all complement each other.

[Anonymous No.20802240]

>>20802100
>Enoch Powell
>Powell became almost a recluse and devoted his time to studying: on days without lectures or supervisions, he would read from 5.30 in the morning until 9.30 at night

sounds like Enoch was the very definition of an extensive reader

[Anonymous No.20802247]

>>20802240
>recluse
that's probably why he was racist. he sat in his room all day like /pol/mongs

[Anonymous No.20802288]

>>20802240
Reading for 25 hours a day doesn't mean he was doing extensive reading. Powell was in fact the definition of an intensive reader.
>Dear Mr Powell. You analyse the difficulties of the passage correctly, and your emendation removes them.

[Anonymous No.20802325]

>>20802100
>>20802240
>>20802247
>>20802288
Powel became an expert in Greek and Latin because he studied them grammatically by memorising grammar and parsing entire texts. Sorry LLSPI chuds you're not the way.

[Anonymous No.20802344]

>>20802325
>Outta my way boomer!

[Anonymous No.20802380]

>>20802344
he knows how to fly helicopters too. he was a helicopter pilot in the US army. he went to italy and got a hot italian girlfriend recently too. i disliked him a lot in the past but he's growing on me now. he's the definition of a chad.

[Anonymous No.20802427]

>>20802380
>he went to italy and got a hot italian girlfriend recently too
Looks like I'll be learning Italian now

[Anonymous No.20802896]

>>20802344
>>20802380
>>20802427
Incel support legion has arrived

[Anonymous No.20802948]

>people have been studying languages for thousands of years
>still no concrete idea of the best method
>grammarfags vs inpootfags will be going at it for thousands of years to come

[Anonymous No.20803691]

>>20799777
>Is it okay to just occasionally post random latin sentances here and expect someone who's an expert "Magister" if you will to correct me?
Certe, sed caveto a "magistris": Hoc in loco nemo loquitur latine (ne ego quidem)

[Anonymous No.20804196]

>>20772328
Not a drawing.

[Anonymous No.20804344]

>>20802247
>smarter than you ever could be
"hurr durr he woz racist"

[Anonymous No.20804363]

>>20797926
>Is there any reason to learn attic/koine first over latin?
every reason
>I know latin has a much bigger corpus of avaliable works
is that even true?
>but frankly I just do not care much for latin but I really wanna learn greek
just learn what you want, learn Attic
>it feels like theres literally no reason to learn greek since everything written in it is translated either to english or into latin
everything written in Latin is translated into English too though

[Anonymous No.20804386]

can any of you Attic Greek chads here help me?

[Anonymous No.20804988]

>>20804386
about what?

[Anonymous No.20805276]

Luke Ranieri's voice makes me want to staple my ballsack to the ceiling.

[Anonymous No.20805295]

Latine: Lucii Ranierii vox adigit me ad coleos meos in tecum figendos.

[Anonymous No.20805304]

Latine: Lucii Ranierii vox adigit me ad coleos meos in tectum clavis figendos.

[Anonymous No.20805608]

>>20802948
>people have been studying languages for thousands of years
>still no concrete idea of the best method
There was a concrete method for 5 thousand years, but go ahead and pretend that nobody knew how to learn a language until 1985 when Karen took over the humanities department.

[Anonymous No.20805685]

>>20805608
people knew how to learn languages for thousands of years, then all these academics came along and started prescribing grammar and now nobody knows how to learn one

[Anonymous No.20805687]

>>20805608
nakadashi

[Anonymous No.20805696]

>>20805685
>started prescribing grammar and now nobody knows how to learn one
Those damn academics in the Roman empire

[Anonymous No.20805728]

>>20805685
>then all these academics came along and started prescribing grammar and now nobody knows how to learn one
the average 19th century grammarian was 1000x better at latin than you ever will be

[Anonymous No.20805765]

I've seen several people write that Latin was always taught like in the "LLSPI" book until the 1800s but no one has provided any real proof of how people taught the language in medieval times to support the argument.

[Anonymous No.20805771]

>>20805765
it was how I was taught in a previous life

[Anonymous No.20805781]

>>20805608
>There was a concrete method for 5 thousand years,
what was that?

[Anonymous No.20805790]

>>20805608
People 2000 and even 200 years ago had access to ways of learning that are lost on us. You can't go to a university and get educated in Latin anymore. There's nothing wrong with adapting.

[Anonymous No.20805796]

>>20805765
greeks learnt latin with this method:
>They then read
>easy-reader texts designed for beginners (see section 2), in which the Latin was divided
>into narrow columns one to three words wide and accompanied by a Greek translation
>that matched line for line.4 Such a translation enabled the ancient learner to understand
>both what the individual words meant (as with our interlinear translations) and what
>the sentence as a whole meant (as with our facing-page translations).
how do we know? the papyri survived.
>The ancient Latin-learning materials have reached us in two different ways. Many are
>preserved on papyri found in Egypt; these texts have the advantage of being securely
>datable to antiquity and do not contain post-antique corruptions (though they may
>contain corruptions that arose in antiquity). Most of the papyri are too fragmentary to
>be individually usable today, but collectively they allow us to build up a picture of what
>ancient students did and how common each type of language-learning activity was in
>comparison to others. The papyri also provide evidence of some types of activity, such
>as alphabet learning and the use of transliterated texts, that are not attested in other
>sources. For reasons of climate papyri survive primarily from Egypt, and therefore our
>knowledge of certain aspects of ancient Latin learning is heavily biased toward what
>took place in Egypt. A few papyri are well enough preserved to be usable by modern
>students; these have been included in this volume whenever possible,6 and a complete
>list of all Latin-learning papyri known to me is given in section 10.1

this is all from a book called "Learning Latin the Ancient Way" which has sources for all the claims

[Anonymous No.20805805]

>>20805796
But what proof exists showing these were used to learn Latin? Bilingual texts exist today but most people don't use them.

[Anonymous No.20805831]

>>20805796
greeks just used this?

[Anonymous No.20805833]

>>20805805
>But what proof exists showing these were used to learn Latin?
why else would such basic texts exist where each sentence contains 3 words with side by side translations? they're clearly learning texts
> Bilingual texts exist today but most people don't use them.
who cares what exists today. we're talking about the roman empire. they wouldn't waste papyri if they didn't use them anyway. plus a lot of these fragments have been found so clearly they were used by many to learn either latin or greek.

just read the fucking book. i gave you the title of the book. go download it off libgen and leave me the fuck alone.

[Anonymous No.20805847]

>>20805765
Latin was a living language into the 20th century, it just had no native speakers. Monks learned Latin from other fluent monks primarily orally.

[Anonymous No.20805848]

>>20805833
So you don't actually have any proof other than scraps of bilingual texts were found in Egypt. K.

[Anonymous No.20805854]

>>20805848
read the book and see for yourself unless you know more than a professor of classics and can refute thousands of years old papyri

[Anonymous No.20805859]

>>20805685
> then all these academics came along and started prescribing grammar
Academics today prescribe the exact opposite. People are such waterheads today that language departments are employ textbooks with cartoons and no grammar to try not to scare Freshman away. The numbers are declining despite these attempts and language requirements for Classics degrees are being dropped as a result.

You are falling for the oldest meme in the world - when you are a part of the mainstream and act like you are a persecuted minority. Since the 70s progressive education has been prescribing the methods that you champion. So you can stop acting like the average teacher teachers Latin like it's 1892. I know it fits your narrative, but if that was the case, then we would have people with 1892 skills in Latin - and we most certainly don't. What we have are a bunch of kids who have to read 40 poorly written 'novellas' AFTER their beginner textbook before that even touch a heavily adapted selection of Caesar.

>>20805765
>I've seen several people write that Latin was always taught like in the "LLSPI" book until the 1800s but no one has provided any real proof of how people taught the language in medieval times to support the argument.
>this is all from a book called "Learning Latin the Ancient Way" which has sources for all the claims
This comes from Karens in the humanities who have found bilingual manuscripts of Greek & Latin textbooks, so now people think the best way to go from English to Latin is to copy how people went from Greek to Latin - which of course doesn't work. Greek & Latin grammar were similar enough that you didn't need to spend excessive amount of time on the grammar if you were learning one with native level fluency in another. Nobody here is learning Latin from native level Attic or Koine Greek. You cannot infer the complexities of the grammar in the same way. This is such a simple concept.
>>20805781
>There was a concrete method for 5 thousand years,
>what was that?
grammar + dictionary + oral practice with a tutor/native.
This goes back to the Akkadians learning Sumerian after it was no longer a spoken language. Many people after them used this to learn liturgical languages or literary dialects of their own language.

[Anonymous No.20805865]

>A survey of textbooks and teaching methods indicates that by the 12th-century European schoolmasters had evolved an effective, commonly-used mode of instruction utilizing the best elements of ancient, patristic, insular, and Caro-lingian programs. At the heart of the system was a sequence of Christian (or Christianized) progymnasmata. Both dialectic and rhetoric were elementary subjects along with grammar until the burgeoning university structure preempted dialectic and displaced rhetoric to leave grammar the basic subject for elementary education. In 12th-century schools pupils started with sounds, not rules, with writing and speaking skills taught together. This carefully devised educational plan contributed a good deal to the quality of Latin literature of the period.

[Anonymous No.20805866]

>>20805859
>grammar + dictionary + oral practice with a tutor/native.
provide proof

[Anonymous No.20805883]

>>20805866
>provide proof that people before 1800 had dictionaries and studied grammar
For the love of god stay off of YouTube and Reddit.

Look up Post-Sumerian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexical_lists

Ahh who am I kidding, you aren't going to read this.

[Anonymous No.20805891]

>>20805883
no provide proof that that was the concrete method for 5 thousand years

[Anonymous No.20805892]

>>20805859
where did you find a native roman to teach you latin?

[Anonymous No.20805896]

>>20805891
It's the same method that the Greeks and Romans used and the medieval tradition is based on the Roman tradition.

Anymore questions monolingual faggot?

[Anonymous No.20805906]

>>20805896
>It's the same method that the Greeks and Romans used and the medieval tradition is based on the Roman tradition.
how do you know? provide proof. i want concrete proof not "hurr u feenk dey not hav deekshunariees?"

[Anonymous No.20805912]

I don't know how anyone can see the quality of the average Redditor's "Latin" in 2022 and conclude anything other than that the natural method in isolation is simply not a viable way to learn the language.

[Anonymous No.20805913]

>>20805891
If you would read the link you'd know that those Sumerian & Akkadian dictionaries and grammar exercise tablets are the oldest written language in the world going back 5 thousand years. Students wrote out forms over and over as well as completed exercises that the teacher had delivered orally which he would have memorized without needing his own notes.

https://cdli.ox.ac.uk
/wiki/doku.php?id=akkadian_school_texts

>>20805906
>how do you know? provide proof. i want concrete proof not "hurr u feenk dey not hav deekshunariees?"
Provide proof that Roman boys learned Greek through grammar and that Carolingian and Monastic academies copied the Roman method? Literally fuck off and die. I have have posted links and you have posted nothing. I have answered questions with historical information and you have provided nothing. You are a shitposting tranny that is asking basic settled questions about history.

>Prove to me that JFK wasn't actually a secret muslim. It's not settled until you prove to me that he wasn't secretly hidden a Koran in his pocket when he was shot.
Counter my evidence with actual evidence of your own or go not-study some more and play fortnite.

[Anonymous No.20805918]

>>20805913
>Provide proof that Roman boys learned Greek through grammar
yeah and you can't. you lose.

[Anonymous No.20805920]

>>20805912
Echo chambers create delusional orthodoxy. At this point, people should just study and not argue with these transcels.

[Anonymous No.20805922]

>>20805918
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammarian_(Greco-Roman)
Go to sleep faggot. This is my last reply. Goddnight.

[Anonymous No.20805923]

>>20805912
No one aside from the esperanto tranny is advocating that here. Most of us agree that you should learn the grammar first and then use LLPSI or Athenaze as supplements.

[Anonymous No.20805931]

>>20805923
>No one aside from the esperanto tranny is advocating that here
Yeah and this is literally the only place on the internet that doesn't.

[Anonymous No.20805933]

>>20805922
that page is not proof because it doesn't actually talk about learning grammar in the way we learn grammar nowadays. nowhere on that page is a method similar to wheelock's.

this:
>In about 100 B.C., Dionysius Thrax defined grammar as an "acquired expertise of the general usage of poets and prose writers". He identified six elements to the field:[1]
>Accurate reading aloud
>Explanation of literary devices
>Comments on subject matter
>Comments on etymologies
>Working out analogical regularities
>The critical study of literature.
is not equivalent to wheelock or any other grammar book we have nowadays.

you've lost.

[Anonymous No.20805947]

>>20805933
>they did not study grammar at the grammaticus

[Anonymous No.20805949]

Now that the anglos are asleep what should we discuss, ὦ φίλοι et amici?

[Anonymous No.20805954]

>>20805947
>they must've studied grammar because 'grammaticus' has the word grammar in it! words never change meaning over thousands of years!!!
you can't refute this post: >>20805933
let's post it again:
>In about 100 B.C., Dionysius Thrax defined grammar as an "acquired expertise of the general usage of poets and prose writers". He identified six elements to the field:[1]
>Accurate reading aloud
>Explanation of literary devices
>Comments on subject matter
>Comments on etymologies
>Working out analogical regularities
>The critical study of literature.
now where in wheelock's are the things above taught???

[Anonymous No.20805968]

could /clg/ pass an 1877 latin college exam?

[Anonymous No.20805971]

>>20805968
/clg/ will have a meltdown over this because being able to describe every feature of Latin doesn't count as Latin knowledge according to it

[Anonymous No.20805975]

[Anonymous No.20805977]

>>20805918
Donatus

[Anonymous No.20805986]

>>20805971
no, we're just more interested in reading latin rather than composing it. learning latin grammar with book like wheelock's helps you compose latin much much easier than LLPSI. if you want to learn to read latin quickly then LLPSI is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.20805988]

>>20805986
>we
You don't write or read it.

[Anonymous No.20805993]

>>20805988
i can read intermediate latin but not the hard stuff. stay mad.

[Anonymous No.20805996]

[Anonymous No.20806018]

>>20805993
Yep. Buckbroken by grammaticis.

[Anonymous No.20806023]

>>20806018
>grammaticis
plural dative/ablative? why? anyway, no, you're wrong. also i read more latin than you. you lose.

[Anonymous No.20806031]

goes

[Anonymous No.20806036]

>>20806031
*on for over 80 pages lmao

[Anonymous No.20806084]

How would you translate this sentence?

>His persuaserant ut eandem fortunam belli experirentur

[Anonymous No.20806097]

>>20806084
They had persuaded them that they experienced the same fate of war.

[Anonymous No.20806106]

>>20806084
"they had persuaded them that they should attempt the same fortune in war"

>>20806097
wrong

[Anonymous No.20806107]

>>20806097
Actually this feels wrong. Ignore it.

[Anonymous No.20806111]

>>20806106
Ah, that's the gay thing about Latin. The same word can mean different things. I was thinking it meant experience rather than try out/attempt. This is what I get for not using a dictionary, I guess.

[Anonymous No.20806145]

lol the llispi retarded deleted his shit translation. just goes to show, boys and girls, that learning grammar pays.

[Anonymous No.20806151]

>>20806145
LISPIs on suicide watch LMAO

[Anonymous No.20806166]

>>20806145
It's settled then. Thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsW0OuA6Uzw

[Anonymous No.20806182]

Where did this meme that LLPSI is the only thing you need to learn Latin, and that it should be used in isolation come from? Bald man?

[Anonymous No.20806185]

>>20806182
LISPIs don't even know Latin. They pretend to know Latin, like the retard who could've even translate an ut clause properly then promptly deleted his post out of shame.

[Anonymous No.20806194]

>>20806185
LLPSI-only fags are annoying but don't diss LLPSI, it's legitimately a fantastic resource especially when coupled with more conventional grammar and translation exercises.

[Anonymous No.20806204]

>>20806182
Not even Ranieri is advocating that. It's just internet dilettantes who are too lazy or stupid to study grammar.

[Anonymous No.20806207]

>>20806204
LISPIs in this general always advocate for this.
>>20806194
Yeah, it's OK, but any graded reader will do the same job.

[Anonymous No.20806211]

>>20806207
>but any graded reader will do the same job.
Post one.

[Anonymous No.20806222]

>>20806211
Googling "latin graded reader" gives a lot of results. I used Wheelock's Latin Reader.

[Anonymous No.20806244]

>>20806222
I doubt that’ll develop your comprehension as much as LLPSI does.

[Anonymous No.20806285]

>>20806244
That anon got a basic ut clause wrong. LISPI doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.20806299]

>Retard says that Roman grammarians didn't teach grammar
>when asked to write in Latin, he panics and deletes his post.
What is the point of these threads anymore?

[Anonymous No.20806306]

>>20806285
It should be used in conjunction with other stuff retard.

[Anonymous No.20806309]

τί οὐ μέλλετε διαῤῥαγῆναι;

[Anonymous No.20806325]

I’m gay.

[Anonymous No.20806327]

>>20806325
ἄπαγε κίναιδε

[Anonymous No.20806341]

he said in greek

[Anonymous No.20806359]

>>20806325
my Latin teacher is gay

he speaks in a pleasantly soft voice

[Anonymous No.20806567]

Quam didisciti vir calvus Linguam Latinam?

[Anonymous No.20806605]

>>20806567
What are you saying? Wait, are you a LISPI-tard?

[Anonymous No.20806717]

damn, these threads are getting really rude and nasty. i might stop browsing /clg/. i just want to talk about ancient languages, not told i'm a <insert insult> for using a certain method to learn a language.

[Anonymous No.20806719]

>>20806341
Solon laws cope

[Anonymous No.20806728]

>>20806717
it wasn't like this every day, I think

[Anonymous No.20806773]

>>20806717
what a pussy. leave

[Anonymous No.20806849]

>>20795230
>When is it safe to learn French without pushing out my Latin?
I'd be concerned if it was italian or something but modern french is basically a bantu-germanic language
don't let the spelling mislead you

[Anonymous No.20806860]

>>20806717
just fucking leave already. and this isn't meant like
>>20806773
you will make more progress if you just stay away from these garbage threads.

[Anonymous No.20806869]

>>20806299
>What is the point of these threads anymore?

For me to check my homework without having to pay for a tutor.

[Anonymous No.20806870]

>>20806728
the quality of /clg/ dropped significantly around February when people like this >>20806773 started flooding these threads.

[Anonymous No.20806890]

>>20806860
>you will make more progress if you just stay away from these garbage threads.

How so? I do my 90 minutes of daily Latin in the morning before I look here and Anons sometimes post useful resources.

[Anonymous No.20806903]

>>20806890
If you do your studying in daily 90 minute blocks, I suppose it wouldn't make much difference for you. The way I've always studied is throughout the day, for as long as I can. This makes it so that the more time I spend in these threads, the less time I spend studying. Which reminds me...

[Anonymous No.20806918]

>>20806717
>>20806870
>damn, these threads are getting really rude and nasty.
>the quality of /clg/ dropped
It's basically because LLPSI/Badman posting memes became so common place. Not the memes themselves, but the kinds of people they attracted. I'll explain:

Before this, shitposters would mostly avoid these threads. The closest disruption you would get was an occasional tradcath from /pol/ trying to defend the honor of Ecclesiastical Latin or a /lit/ lurker who would say that learning languages was a waste of time.

After the introduction of the Ranieri memes, people were posting YouTube links that /lit/ lurkers could watch and follow easier than the complicated grammar discussions. Ever since they've felt comfortable jumping into discussions that would normally be way over their head because they have YouTube and Reddit quotes they can regurgitate and drag out meaningless arguments forever. Now they just try checkmate people by saying "studies show" and then drop links from cherry picked articles that they've never read because they hear an e-celeb cite them.

It's also drastically leaned this thread toward Latin. Notice how we never have anyone arguing about meme textbooks or hipster pedagogy for Hebrew or Sanskrit. Jannies should honestly just ban any discussion of Orberg's books or Ranieri. If you aren't aware that LLPSI is a thing, then that's your own problem. It's not this thread's responsibility to promote a book that every single autist on every other website is already promoting. The is no productive commentary of the book and people don't follow the read alongs - which take up too much space in the threads anyways. You can't ban Latin because last time /clg/ was calmer but also too slow. This is the only solution.

[Anonymous No.20807047]

someone make a new thread

[Anonymous No.20807288]

>>20805848
>>20805805
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeneumata
not the same anon but at least one text like that has survived

[Anonymous No.20807293]

>>20805831
>>20807288
Kind of

[Anonymous No.20807305]

>>20805949
anglici numquam dormiunt

[Anonymous No.20807329]

>>20806918
>tradcath from /pol/ trying to defend the honor of Ecclesiastical Latin
like /pol/tards even know what ecclesiastical latin is
at least that was a discussion about latin

[Anonymous No.20807411]

https://boards.4channel.org/lit/thread/20807393#top
https://boards.4channel.org/lit/thread/20807393#top
https://boards.4channel.org/lit/thread/20807393#top
https://boards.4channel.org/lit/thread/20807393#top