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>finish pic related
holy shit why didn't i read this sooner

>> No.20759026

>>20758337
Nice. Now read Reign of Quantity, it is somehow much better and blew my mind.

>> No.20759045

>>20758337
>holy shit why didn't i read this sooner
Probably due to the gigantic shill campaign against Guenon and Advaitins.

>> No.20759048

>>20758337
Ok bullet me a few interesting points about it, because from everything I heard it's just another schizo "FOOKING LIBRULS!!!" rubbish friom a nazi larper

>> No.20759065

>>20759048
Haha don't worry about it man, stick to reading slavoj zizek, marx, and other fiction.

>> No.20759072

>>20759065
weirdly defensive reaction to a simple request

>> No.20759164

>>20759048
That's all it is

>> No.20759177

>>20759164
Lol

>> No.20759184

>>20759048
>You will
>never be
>a woman

>> No.20759490

>>20758337
Hadn't I met you insufferable Guénon larpers who can't say anything coherent and interesting about him for your goddamn lifes I would maybe give Guenon a chance

>> No.20759607

>>20759490

Forget the larpers, just give it a try.

>> No.20759634

>>20759045
Embarassing yourselves in public in your own threads is no gigantic shill campaign against you

>> No.20759854

>>20758337
So this is basically modernity bad because it discarded things which might have value but could not be included in the modern mathematical rational framework ? Basically some sort of Chesterton's fence ? How is this different from Rosicrucian thought ?

>> No.20759862

>>20759634
It's usually the shills who embarrass themselves, they just end up repeating the same flawed misunderstandings over and over again as though it will eventually be a correct understanding of something.

>> No.20760575

>>20759048
It's a great primer on the school of "tradition", which posits that societies must have some metaphysical/religious component to to give the society structure and moral fiber. Evola develops this point in Revolt with his discussion of the "two natures", that being the physical/profane, and the metaphysical/sacred. A healthy society must have its power entrenched in the latter for the society to maintain its own identity and to avoid collapse.
Each chapter of Crisis focuses on a different way that the removal of tradition has had on the Western world, such as materialism, individualism, along with coining the term "scientism".
Book's nearly 100 years old yet its criticisms of modern consumerism, religion, and culture remain prescient, though there are a few instances where its age shows in that Guenon structures his worldview around the late 20's East and West, which really shows in Chapter 2. Aside from that, the book is well worth a read.
>>20759490
Just read it mate its only like 100 pages

>> No.20760649

>>20760575
>It's a great primer on the school of "tradition", which posits that societies must have some metaphysical/religious component to to give the society structure and moral fiber. Evola develops this point in Revolt with his discussion of the "two natures", that being the physical/profane, and the metaphysical/sacred. A healthy society must have its power entrenched in the latter for the society to maintain its own identity and to avoid collapse.
>Each chapter of Crisis focuses on a different way that the removal of tradition has had on the Western world, such as materialism, individualism, along with coining the term "scientism".
sounds yawn-inducing, but thanks for a non-schizo reply

>> No.20760719

>Is this not the tragedy of René Guénon who, being gifted with a developed metaphysical sense and yet lacking the Hermetic philosophical sense, sought, always and everywhere, the concrete spiritual. And finally, tired of the world of abstractions, he hoped to find liberation from intellectualism by plunging himself into the element of fervour of the Moslem masses at prayer in a Cairo mosque. The last hope of a soul thirsty for mystical experience and languishing in the captivity of the intellect? If so, may divine mercy grant him what he sought so much.
Guenon was thought of as an arrogant and highly opinionated man in his lifetime, but it is a tragedy that there is no one of his caliber in the West anymore; even Bishops adore secularism, which is merely misotheism in disguise. I'll never do it, but it almost makes me feel as if he was right to abandon the West.

>> No.20760741

>>20759045
>against
nigga, guenon fags and esoteric cunts SHILL this shit everywhere. you're so in your bubble.
>>20759065
>>20759177
>>20759184
first piece of evidence, offended at the slightest criticism. very troon/reddit behavior.

>> No.20760768

>>20760719
Did Guenon even believe in the soul. His hostility to metempsychosis to the point where he denies that it was ever seriously taught in india and his belief in total annihilation makes me think so.

>> No.20760777

>>20760741
That wasn't criticism. It was just moaning.

>> No.20760841

>>20759048
>I heard it's just another schizo "FOOKING LIBRULS!!!" rubbish friom a nazi larper
These are the only books worth reading

>> No.20760956

>>20760768
>Did Guenon even believe in the soul. His hostility to metempsychosis to the point where he denies that it was ever seriously taught in india and his belief in total annihilation makes me think so.
Guenon only denies metempsychosis because he says "transmigration" of the subtle body (sūkṣma śarīra) from physical host to physical host is what is taught by Hinduism and not the western concept of "reincarnation" which involves a subtle but important difference. For Guenon and Advaita Vedanta the subtle body is basically a soul equivalent although we all have our actual irreducible true being in the Self or Atman which illuminates the subtle body; that's the 'true soul' and not the subtle body that people think is their true being

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20760977

>>20760956
What?

>> No.20761016
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20761016

>>20760977
Top section in this chart is Atman/Self/(you); everything below the top section in the chart = soul and body neither of which are actually the real (you); so they are a fake soul of a sorts; the middle section of the pyramid is the subtle body or sūkṣma śarīra that transmigrates from body to body when a living being dies; Guenon knew about and agreed with all of these but he is opaque and vague in a few passages in his books that cause a lot of people to get confused over what he believed; despite the existence of other sentences in his published articles letters reviews etc that mention the topic and clear up what he thought

>> No.20761343

>>20760649
I say give it a shot. You can finish a few chapters in like half an hour. Find a pdf online and see what you think.

>> No.20762453

Honestly, it doesn’t really say anything you aren’t aware of already.

>> No.20763536
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20763536

Makes you think. Makes you think about the people in your life. And when I think, I think of Guénon(pbuh). If he were here now what would he say? He would say "Anon what's it about? What's life about... if you don't go through Kali Yuga as a Traditional man?". He'd say "Suck it up, do the time in this dark age. That made you what you are. That makes you what you are. How long have we been around this cycle of ours? This Manvantara? 306,720,000 years. What's it about? It's about the spiritual transmission, tradition. You take the beating for your tradition, you don't run, you don't lay down, you don't betray who you are. What you are.

>> No.20763624

>>20760575
Doesn't sound like he offers any original idea.

>> No.20763654

>>20763624
>"It is also an important consideration for these philosophers to be able to put their name to a 'system', that is, to a strictly limited and circumscribed set of theories, which shall belong to them and be exclusively their creation; hence the desire to be original at all costs, even if truth should have to be sacrificed to this 'originality': a philosopher's renown is increased more by inventing a new error than by repeating a truth that has already been expressed by others. This form of individualism, the begetter of so many 'systems' that contradict one another even when they are not contradictory in themselves, is to be found also among modern scholars and artists; but it is perhaps in philosophy that the intellectual anarchy to which it inevitably gives rise is most apparent"
- Rene Guenon

>> No.20763785

>>20763654
Pbuh

>> No.20763888

>>20759048
Guenon wasn't a nazi larper (he even opposed National Socialism in Symbolism of the Cross). He doesn't talk about temporary politics such as liberalism either. You are being lied to by your friends.

>> No.20763902

Was guenon even muslim? Whenever I read about his religious beliefs it feels like he was masquerading as Islam while he just went off and did whatever. Sufism is heretical btw

>> No.20763922

>>20763902
To men like Guenon religions are merely terrestrial roads to salvation or deliverance, and all of them have at least some value in that respect. He embraced Islam as his preferred system in the end, but he never completely lost his interest in the West finding its way back to an esoteric form of Christianity despite his disenchantment with the Roman church. I'm fairly certain that he was aware of the early incarnation of the Logos, which makes Islam somewhat irrelevant, but he didn't mind adopting a more rudimentary faith.

>> No.20763932

>>20758337
pbuh

>> No.20764058

>>20760719
How did Guenon "abandon the West", it irks me whenever someone says this. It's not any one man's job to save the West nor is that ultimately up to the decisions of men, it is up to the cosmic order. Moreover, even if it was Guenon's job by some stretch of the imagination, he did more than his fair share.

>> No.20765142

>>20759490
It's incredible how this level of retarded patheticness pervades virtually every board on here. Mouth breathers on /lit/, /v/, /tv/ etc.. wont read, play, watch etc.. something purely because other people like it. Lmao. Your lives are unironically terrible if strangers you've never met have such a massive impact on the choices you make.

>> No.20765215

>>20764058
Yes, he helped the West in the best way he could. One could say he was fulfilling his dharma.

>> No.20765219

>>20760719
Where is this quote from?

>> No.20765223

>>20760777
Checked and correct.

>> No.20765231

>>20763624
That's literally the point.

>> No.20765334

>>20765219
Meditations on the Tarot

>> No.20765360

>>20760719
What would more "Hermetic philosophical sense" had done for Guenon?

>> No.20765364

>>20763902
He prayed 5 times a day and followed Shariah law. He also accepted God as absolutely one and Muhammad as a prophet

>> No.20766721

>>20763654
>>20765231
But if I already agree and understand why tradition is important for society why I should read 100+ pages of something I already know?

>> No.20766761

>>20763902
>Sufism is heretical btw
No, Sufism is true Islam. Whatever you are following is heretical.