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What are some good anti-freedom books? Books that talk about how there are things more important than freedom.

>> No.20749141
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>>20749137
What the fuck is more important than freedom
>Only one who has tasted freedom can feel the longing to make everything analogous to it, to spread it throughout the whole universe.

>> No.20749145

>>20749141
Beauty

>> No.20749158

>>20749145
Read Goethe's essay The Extent to Which the Idea “Beauty Is Perfection in Combination with Freedom” May Be Applied to Living Organisms

>> No.20749160

>>20749137
None because its the best thing

>> No.20749162

>>20749137
every religious doctrine

>> No.20749166

>>20749158
No

>> No.20749167

There's no such thing as freedom. You can have a king or a president or a pope or a banker, but at the end of the day you will always be someone's slave. The "freedoms" people enjoy in the modern age are really just privileges that the powers that be can strip from you at any time.

>> No.20749172

>>20749160
It's the least important. Is your health not more important than freedom? Is being literate not more important? Is wealth not more important?

>> No.20749194

You might be interested in Joseph De Maistre.

>> No.20749198

>>20749167
Every choice you ever make is your own. If you do what someone tells you it's because you think there is some advantage in doing so. You are always free to walk away unless literally physically bound.

>> No.20749201

>>20749172
Dico tibi verum libertas optima rerum nunquam servili sub nexu vivito fili.

I tell you, my son, freedom truly is the best of things, never live under a servile bond.

>> No.20749207

>>20749201
You would prefer to live with freedom in abject poverty in Africa over living under a monarchy in Europe?

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>>20749198
>le choosing to give up your freedom is actually just exercising your freedom!

>> No.20749209

Why Salieri though?

>> No.20749215

>>20749209
Why not?

>> No.20749219

>>20749208
You will never be free, or happy, as long as you think the world consists of exploiters and exploited. Every person persists in their own being and seeks in life what they want the most.

>> No.20749229

>>20749207
Yes that is what the ancient motto says

>> No.20749230

>>20749219
Freedom and happiness are not inextricably linked.
In any case, believing or not believing that you are free does not objectively increase your degree of freedom. Not that you are able to choose your beliefs.