/HBG/ - Holy Bible General 3

[Anonymous No.20739272]

Bible threads are a non-denominational general on /lit/ dedicated to the study and discussion of the Bible, the most popular book on /lit/. While some level of inter-denominational bullying is expected, we do try to keep things generally focused on sharing the teachings of Christ, rather then attacking each other. Questions from people new to Bible study are very much encouraged, no matter how basic. Fedora-Trolls are common in these threads and the best way to deal with them is to just report and ignore, rather then responding to them.

>https://biblehub.com/ - Bible study tools
>https://catenabible.com/ - Commentaries from Church Fathers

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[Anonymous No.20739275]

>>>/his/

[Anonymous No.20739280]

>>20739275
Even last digit means bot odd means NEET

[Anonymous No.20739297]

>>20739272
I’m pretty sure this belongs to /his/.

[Anonymous No.20739399]

Miscarriages. Why are they? The whole point is to test our obedience, so why let some take it and others send straight to [wherever your denomination teaches]?

[Anonymous No.20739668]

>>20739399
>>20739275
The Holy Bible, like the Qu'ran or Mahabarat, is not a religion. It is a text which happens to be the source code for many religions but each of these religions have vastly different relationships to it. And, whether you like it or not, it is more fundamental of an influence to every writer in the West than the Odyssey and the Illiad combined. To say one is educated and hasn't read the Bible is as egregious as saying that someone is a huge poetry fan and hasn't heard of Homer.

[Anonymous No.20739737]

I want to recommend the podcast Tarazi Tuesdays on the Bible as literature to anyone interested. Go from the beginning. Godspeed.

[Anonymous No.20739929]

Catena Bible is just a bunch of commentaries Catholics like. It's not fathers. It has 1800s writers.

[Anonymous No.20739944]

>>20739272
Finally a containment thread for those circumcised in the spirit of the holy ghost.

[Anonymous No.20740073]

>>20739272

[Anonymous No.20740122]

>>20740073
You know she was a virgin right

[Anonymous No.20740813]

>>20739929
Just choose early fathers only

[Anonymous No.20740820]

>>20739929
Catena Bible was made by Orthodox but then added Catholics writers too. It has both early fathers and later theologians. Just sort it by date so you get the early fathers first.

[Anonymous No.20742338]

im reading the bible cover to cover and im almost done with the psalms. i want to start reading the books of enoch, am i good to start now or is it better to finish the OT first?

[Anonymous No.20742996]

One of you guys popped into a thread on /vp/ and posted this. Thought everyone else here might like to know so they can shit on you.

[Anonymous No.20743011]

>>20742996
They don't look read desu

[Anonymous No.20743016]

>>20743011
Not sure how you'd judge whether hardcovers are read or not since they aren't like paperbacks but you're probably right.

[Anonymous No.20743044]

>>20742996
>vulgata
>buys augustine translated
I'm sure this poster knows Ancient Hebrew, Latin, and Koine Greek, but they just decided to get Augustine in English for fun.

[Anonymous No.20743186]

preface this with saying I adore Christ. (im on Heresy watch) I was reading this thread (linked) and found it very curious. Now most of the posters are silly and do not contribute but one writes extensively "draconic chronicler" about the seraphim as serpent( ine) translations, and seraphim as "drakon" and some of the strange descriptions dragon imagery and behaviour in the OT, the brazen serpent in 2 Kings 4 all referenced etc. now his almost all of his conclusions are heretical, but his references and research are sound. https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/106266-is-the-biblical-yahweh-actually-a-dragon/#comments
Could y'all take a look and let me know what you think?

[Anonymous No.20743192]

>>20739272
I failed link so reposting. preface this with saying I adore Christ. (im on Heresy watch) I was reading this thread (linked) and found it very curious. Now most of the posters are silly and do not contribute but one writes extensively "draconic chronicler" about the seraphim as serpent( ine) translations, and seraphim as "drakon" and some of the strange descriptions dragon imagery and behaviour in the OT, the brazen serpent in 2 Kings 4 all referenced etc. now his almost all of his conclusions are heretical, but his references and research are sound. The first page of the thread is an overview, the references come in later pages.
Could y'all take a look and let me know what you think?
https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/106266-is-the-biblical-yahweh-actually-a-dragon/#comments

[Anonymous No.20743335]

>>20743192
warping Scripture to justify nonsense.
there never was an idol of God, and not making one is literally a commandment.
the snake was a prefiguration of Christ.
the Angel of God was inside the pillar of fire/cloud.
the spewed smoke and fire stuff is a poetic way to show wrath. (And you can see it is poetry by the surrounding passage).
and that's a few simple ones.
with a special mention to the seraphim bit: doesn't mean that because it is the root of a word(and even worse, he's taking from translation) that it means the same: scandal comes from 'skandalon' which is the idea of a "stumbling block", but it has a completely different meaning.
all in all, run of the mill nonsense.
if anyone is a dragon, it is the devil, who is literally described as one in Revelation.
that guy may just have enough ill-intent to have been trying to flip that description to God.
tl;dr drivel.

[Anonymous No.20743368]

>>20739272
Daily reminder, that the Scripture crumbles in almost every part under the scrutiny of a basic historical and textual criticism.

[Anonymous No.20743419]

>>20743335
Ok to most of it idk enough to argue. >with a special mention to the seraphim bit: doesn't mean that because it is the root of a word(and even worse, he's taking from translation) that it means the same: scandal comes from 'skandalon' which is the idea of a "stumbling block", but it has a completely different meaning.

I did some more digging and im unconvinced it is a homonym issue. "In the Second Book of Enoch, two classes of celestial beings are mentioned alongside the seraphim and cherubim, known as the phoenixes and the chalkydri (Ancient Greek: χαλκύδραι khalkýdrai, compound of χαλκός khalkós "brass, copper" + ὕδρα hýdra "hydra", "water-serpent"—lit. "brazen hydras", "copper serpents")."

[Anonymous No.20743524]

>>20743419
book of Enoch is not Scripture.
that's like arguing a point based on stuff like the "gospels" the pagans made up.

[Anonymous No.20743551]

>>20743524
>book of Enoch is not Scripture
And what is to be considered Scripture was arbitrarily decided circa 4th century CE, based on political reasonings of that time.

[Anonymous No.20743609]

>>20743524
>like the "gospels" the pagans made up.
How all gospels were made up, you mean? The whole point of having 4 different texts telling the same fucking story was precisely NOT to have a rigid codified word-for-word scripture, but to have a generating pattern of oral formulas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_tradition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral-formulaic_composition

[Anonymous No.20743613]

>>20743551
>the word of God is subject to the decisions and meddling of men
do you really think God would let that happen?

[Anonymous No.20743624]

>>20743609
do you really believe that? how many strawmen of Christianity have you made to defend yourself?

[Anonymous No.20743632]

>>20743613
That's literally the whole history of all the Mesopotamian religions. History is written by the winners.

[Anonymous No.20743720]

>>20743524

Not the point being argued but as everyones moved on already, why isn't Enoch scripture? Enoch prophesied Jesus, then Jesus quoted Enoch on multiple occasions. Is a cosign from the Lord himself not enough?

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.20743731]

[Anonymous No.20743738]

>>20743551
>arbitrarily
It was decided by the Church guided by the Holy Spirit lol

[Anonymous No.20743747]

>>20743720
Enoch is not scripture because it clearly wasn’t written by Enoch. That’s not to say that Enoch doesn’t have true elements in it. Jude recognized this in his epistle, and if I am recalling right there are actually several allusions to Enoch in the NT. Enoch just builds off of other pseudoepigraphical works such as Jubilees. Not every work mentioned or referenced in Scripture is Scripture. The Book of Jasher is mentioned in the OT, and is not part of the Bible. Paul also quotes from Epimenides and Menander as well, but they are of course not Scripture.

This is why an apostolic succession is so important, because otherwise the canon becomes arbitrary, and we might as well throw in whatever books we want, or write the Book of Mormon

[Anonymous No.20743752]

>>20743720
Because the Church decided so. If you don't trust the Church founded by Christ, then you reject Christianity so obviously you won't agree with Christians on such basic facts.

[Anonymous No.20743756]

>>20743731
Your dog Muhammad will bow before Jesus Christ on the Day of Judgment.

[Anonymous No.20743770]

>>20740073
Imagine being a pedo and using the mother of Christ to justify your passions, and lying in the process
> And Mary being afraid, went away to her own house, and hid herself from the sons of Israel. And she was sixteen years old when these mysteries happened.
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0847.htm

[Anonymous No.20743776]

>>20743747
>it clearly wasn’t written by Enoch
And the Pentateuch wasn't written by Moses. Despite thousands of years of autistic screeching that it was.
>That’s not to say that Enoch doesn’t have true elements in it.
That’s not to say that Pentateuch doesn’t have true elements in it. ...Oh, wait >>20743368

[Anonymous No.20743781]

>>20743776
> And the Pentateuch wasn't written by Moses.
‘It was real in my mind’

[Anonymous No.20743784]

>>20743752
>>20743747
woah woah woah. Can you adress the bit about Jesus quoting enoch tho? How am I rejecting Christianity if I trust the quotes ascribed to Christ himself??

[Anonymous No.20743785]

>>20743784
What and where did he quote it

[Anonymous No.20743788]

>>20743785
I mean theres a bunch of others.
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. (Mat 5:5) The elect shall possess light, joy and peace, and they shall inherit the earth. (Enoch 5:7 {6:9})

the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the son (John 5:22). the principal part of the judgment was assigned to him, the Son of man. (Enoch 69:27 {68:39})

shall inherit everlasting life (Mat. 19:29) those who will inherit eternal life (Enoch 40:9 {40:9})

[Anonymous No.20743797]

>>20743785
>>20743788
"Wo unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. (Luke 6:24) Woe to you who are rich, for in your riches have you trusted; but from your riches you shall be removed. (Enoch 94:8 {93:7}). etc
inb4 HE DIDNT PUT THE WORDS IN THE SAME ORDER

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.20743802]

>>20743756
Jesus عليه السلام will rather proclaim to Allah عز وجل that he rejects and disowns the Christians got their shirk

[Anonymous No.20743807]

>>20743784
What does this have to do with whether the book is part of the Scripture or not? You're rejecting Christianity because you reject the Scripture put together by the Church. If Christ wanted it part of the the Scripture you think he wouldn't have made it so by guiding the Church?

[Anonymous No.20743817]

>>20743788
> Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. (Mat 5:5) The elect shall possess light, joy and peace, and they shall inherit the earth. (Enoch 5:7 {6:9})
This is just rhetoric that we find already in the Psalms, and is not unique to Enoch. See Psalm 37:11—“ But the meek shall inherit the land and delight themselves in abundant peace”.

> shall inherit everlasting life (Mat. 19:29) those who will inherit eternal life (Enoch 40:9 {40:9})
This isn’t that impressive. Wouldn’t necessarily be sourced from Enoch. Most likely the stuff about inheriting eternal life is rooted in Daniel 12:2

> the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the son (John 5:22). the principal part of the judgment was assigned to him, the Son of man. (Enoch 69:27 {68:39})
Natural deduction from places like Daniel 7, where multiple thrones are put into place and the Son of Man is given authority, dominion and kingship.

It’s almost like Enoch is derivative of Biblical texts…

[عبد المسيح No.20743833]

>>20743802
There are no prophecies in previous Scripture predicting Muhammad. Muslims deny obvious historical facts such as the crucifixion. Muslims have no proof that the Bible is ‘tahrif’ or corrupt in anyway. The Qur’an is filled with errors, saying that Mary is the sister of Aaron and daughter of Amram. The Qur’an was not preserved. The greatest reciter of the Qur’an had a different mushaf. Verses were left out, as Umar said regarding the verse about stoning. Multiple musahif with different amounts of surahs and different readings of the rasm exist. The Qur’an is plagiarized from Syro-Aramaic Christian texts. Islam is a meme inspired by the devil.

The Islamic prophet Dhu al-Qurnayn (He of Two Horns) is traditionally identified with pagan king Alexander the Great. His name comes from coins depicting him as Zeus Ammon, a two-horned pagan god. Hardly a champion of monotheism, here! Dhu al-Qurnayn’s stories are also filled with information from Syrian legends like called the Alexander Romance, saying that the sun sets in a pool of murky water in the West.

There are also no prophecies predicting Muhammad in previous scriptures. Muslims also declare all previous scriptures corrupted to avoid this problem, but the Qur’an remains unproven. There is no historical evidence for any of this alleged corruption. The Qur’an also asks Christians (5:47) to judge by the Gospel to assess the Qur’an’s claims, but why would Allah ask us to judge by a corrupted scripture, or a scripture that has been lost? It’s stupid, and there’s no evidence of the “book” given to Jesus.

Muhammad was also a caravan-robbing polygamist pedophile. Jesus said to judge prophets by their fruits. Muhammad fails on all accounts. John, Jude, Paul and many others warn against false prophets that will come to lead men from the Gospel. Muhammad is one. Paul even warns of Satan disguising himself as an “angel of light”. Muhammad got his revelation from “Jibreel”, an entity claiming to be Gabriel giving him revelation contradicting all previous scripture. He never got the Qur’an from God. It was all from Jibreel.

The earliest generations of Christians—Paul, the Twelve, Ignatius of Antioch, Irenaeus, Polycarp, etc. all declared Jesus Christ to be divine, just like the OT teaches. Multiple groups of pre-Christian Jews also believed in a divine Word of God, such as Philo of Alexandria and many groups referred to as ‘minim’ by Talmudic Jews.

Muhammad is told to ask Christians if he is confused about anything (Q 10:94)— listen up!

Islam. Orthodox View by Daniel Sysoev (martyred by Muslims)
https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/world/islam-orthodox-view/

St. John of Damascus’s Critique of Islam
http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx

[Anonymous No.20743843]

>>20743807
>You're rejecting Christianity because you reject the Scripture put together by the Church.
Nah lol. praying for u

[Anonymous No.20743851]

>>20743843
>he thinks Christianity exists apart from the Church, the pillar and foundation of truth, and the body of Christ

[Anonymous No.20743858]

>>20743851
If the Pope tells you to fuck in the ass, would you do it?

[Anonymous No.20743862]

>>20743858
The pope is a schismatic

[Anonymous No.20743873]

>>20743851
>He thinks the Church is the earthly organisation.

[Anonymous No.20743883]

Where can I download The Ancestral Sin by Romanides? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.20743892]

>>20743873
The immediate disciples of the Apostles would not have realized your ‘invisible church’ doctrine.

From a direct disciple of St. John:
> See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the catholic Church.
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0109.htm

[Anonymous No.20743905]

>>20743883
looked around a bit can't find a downloadable copy. altho there is a high quality scan available as read in browser(account needed, its a publisher issue, the site is quite wonderful)
https://archive.org/details/ancestralsin0000roma/page/8/mode/2up

[Anonymous No.20743909]

>>20743892
MATTHEW 18:20 KJV "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."
We are in the Church right now, we are here, adorers of Christ, trying to understand.
"invisible"?? yeah a lot of its invisible that's not really an issue for us right? right??

[Anonymous No.20743919]

>>20743909
That does not lessen the authority of the Church established by Christ and his apostles, and its authority to administer the sacraments and preach the Gospel with authority.

[Anonymous No.20743933]

>>20743919
Ofc not. I did mean to write the earthly organisation ALONE.(why I deleted post) I was offended and reacted indignantly because I do not go to a physical church.

[Anonymous No.20743938]

>>20743933
>I was offended and reacted indignantly because I do not go to a physical church.
That should tell you that you're in sin.

[Anonymous No.20743948]

>>20743933
>I do not go to a physical church.
Why not?

[Anonymous No.20743950]

>>20743933
> I do not go to a physical church.
You should start going, anon. It’s nice if you find a good church.

[Anonymous No.20743975]

Bros, even if I'm mean to you sometimes, please know it's my own fault. I pray multiple times while interacting with you all and beg Christ to forgive me for my pride and rashness. If we were together in a physical place, I would be much kinder looking another human in their eyes. Forgive me for my anger and my weakness, and God bless you all.

[Anonymous No.20743996]

>>20743950
>>20743948
I went to a luterhan school, and was completely atheist the entire time, and mostly napped during the services, and had not read the bible. Around 20, I was walking and the perfection of Christ and the trinity became apparent and I was filled with Joy. This year I wished to be among Christians, and I prayed with all my heart for one day, and into that night that I would know which Church to attend. That night I had an alarming dream where I was at this nice church where I went to school. And the pastor who I liked and was filled with the spirit in life, strongly and firmly denied my pleas to join. and the (altar boys? attendants) were people who I knew to not adore Christ, and others too, whose hearts were lukewarm. And I knew when I awoke I was not to go there. I trust my dreams entirely as they have shown me incredible things.

[Anonymous No.20744006]

>>20743975
:D

[Anonymous No.20744015]

>>20743996
>Around 20, I was walking and the perfection of Christ and the trinity became apparent and I was filled with Joy
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4550801/
Do you have epileptic seizures, by chance?

[Anonymous No.20744028]

>>20744015
I am not him, but what do you get out of this?

[Anonymous No.20744034]

>>20743996
Brother, I'm sorry to tell you, but you were deceived by Satan. Don't trust your falllible interpretations of your dreams over God's word. You need the Church and the sacraments, don't deprive yourself of Christ's presence in the Church. Having said that, I do believe you should consider other churches too.

[Anonymous No.20744048]

>>20744015
Not that Im aware of, however at 18 walking alone to university(studying pharmacology, but these days maths and computer science) I fell down and hit my head and felt funny afterwards, within the month. hygienic OCD behaviour and heightened attendance to my environment manifested, these were strong, and persist to this day, although they have not felt a burden for many years now.

[Anonymous No.20744053]

The epistles contain so much condensed information I find it hard to remember most of what it's said.

[Anonymous No.20744059]

>>20744034
It was particularly about THAT church, not churches in general. I agree and I would like to feel at peace in a Church oneway.

[Anonymous No.20744063]

>>20744053
I try to read them over a lot, I always get something new out of them. They are very dense

[Anonymous No.20744115]

>>20744059
"I come not for the righteous, but for sinners to repentance" - Jesus Christ
Confront your fears and enter the church, and if they don't live up to their faith, kick the dust off your shoes, for if they do you disgrace, it is them that are disgraced.

[Anonymous No.20744144]

I see Protestants as Catholic auxiliaries for Christian evangelisation, if they behave.

[Anonymous No.20744247]

>>20739272
https://youtu.be/riH3IZRlOBM?t=1357

[Anonymous No.20744433]

Bros… Romans 7 hits too close to home…

> For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

>21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

Will this change once I get baptized? I relate to this way too much

[Anonymous No.20744519]

If I find a book printed in China, even if it's a book whose contents I genuinely would like to have, I will not purchase it. I can't tell you how many excellent Bibles and, indeed, whole publishing houses I've had to blacklist purely on these grounds.

[Anonymous No.20744578]

>>20743817
>>20743797
To me just the fact that Jesus mentioned the book of Enoch legitimized him. The early church fathers knew by then that Earth was round so they couldn't accept the book that affirms the Bible's Earth as flat in its scientific chapter so brazenly. To maintain the visage of honesty to maintain their power they rejected this book from canon. This is reality and part of the reason why western leaders abandoned God after book of Enoch was discovered in previous century. The only people who can be truly religious without brain-crashing cope now are those who are completely cut off from science, education system, reality..

[Anonymous No.20744631]

>>20744578
>To me just the fact that Jesus mentioned the book of Enoch legitimized him.
Using similar language to that as seen in Enoch =/= mentioning the Book of Enoch. As it has already been shown, Enoch draws on Biblical language that pre-existed the work.

You’ve been psyoped by academia into onions-facing over a work of pseudoepigraphy not even seen as worth preserving by the Apostles and their successors.

[Anonymous No.20744634]

>>20744578
>The early church fathers knew by then that Earth was round so they couldn't accept the book that affirms the Bible's Earth as flat in its scientific chapter so brazenly
No one cared about this lol

[Anonymous No.20744643]

How good is this podcast for learning the Bible?

[Anonymous No.20744657]

>>20744433
it will help. any time you doubt yourself or something, you can remind yourself of your baptism.

but temptation doesn't stop. Paul there has the Holy Spirit in him, but is still being tempted. God gives you the strength to endure it and not give in, nor falter.
if you do fall, as we've all done, the important thing is repenting, and getting up again.
some people are ashamed of getting back up again because they fail many times; remember God loves you, and will always forgive a truly repentant heart.

you get better at resisting it aswell. try to see yourself from "an outside perspective" when you are about to do something bad. like what you would feel if you saw someone doing what you're about to. judging your own actions before you do them. i found it really helped in some situations.

[Anonymous No.20744660]

>>20744631
Jesus's disciplies mention the book by its name

[Anonymous No.20744661]

>>20744643
heard a lot of anons suggesting it in several threads.
seems nice.

[Anonymous No.20744668]

I know you're all just attempting to cope with the meaninglessness of life, but suspending all rationality to believe in an obviously fake religion isn't the way.

Why would god, the creator of the entire universe, play these stupid games? "yeah, you have to be moral and pray to me, dudes. why? idk i just decided that" It makes no sense at all. It was obviously constructed by some humans who knew nothing about the universe. They were OBVIOUSLY special because they didn't know any better.

[Anonymous No.20744673]

>>20744660
No they don’t

[Anonymous No.20744682]

>>20744643
The best. My only gripe is that, due to the translation he uses, he reads the shorter version of Tobit rather than the longer one which is about 2300 words longer.

[Anonymous No.20744686]

>>20744668
study more.
there are no "stupid games" and God isn't some to the letter bureaucrat.
i'd recommend C.S. Lewis:
especially Mere Christianity, for basics; The Abolition of Man, for morality questions; and The Weight of Glory, for why we should act according to God's will.

[Anonymous No.20744707]

>>20744686
>yeah dude, i literally created the entire universe
>guided evolution for billions of years just to this point
>decide to enter the body of some random fucking peasant in palestine
>follow me if you want to be saved, also sprinkle water on your head, that is a must
>saved from what? oh you know, nothingness, you get to live forever in my garden. will it be depressing living forever in a garden with nothing to do? yeah probably but don't question it
>i could just make my presence known ofc, but i CHOOSE not to because i'm obviously real
Come on. You're only fooling yourself.

[Anonymous No.20744708]

>>20744673
Jude 1:14-15

[Anonymous No.20744717]

>>20744707
why are you talking here if you won't listen?
those are just empty strawmen.
refer to >>20744686 if you intend to post a reply.

[Anonymous No.20744879]

>>20744708
Not mentioned by name, and mentioning doesn’t make it Scripture. Back to square one.

[Anonymous No.20744918]

>>20743044
idk but aren't critical editions like that Vulgate and LXX usually for textual reference rather than actually reading?

[Anonymous No.20745019]

>>20744918
No? Why would it not be for reading?

[Anonymous No.20745033]

>>20744879
>Not mentioned by name
What do you mean? He mentioned Enoch and gave a direct quote, which strongly implies every other Enoch quote in the NT was sourced from it
>mentioning doesn’t make it Scripture
give one other quote from a book that definetely wasn't considered holy and I will agree

[Anonymous No.20745063]

>>20745019
Well, scholars typically don't "read" the NA28 that they have on their shelves. They use the NA28 for the textual apparatus to understand why English translations can pick and choose some variants or to understand scribal habits or whatever. I'd assume that critical Vulgate has a textual apparatus for the same reason and given that OP has a Bible translated from Latin also on that shelf, it would make sense to me for him to have it as a reference with that Bible. idk, maybe he didn't want to buy that Douay-Vulgate parallel thing and did this instead. Who knows?

[Anonymous No.20745069]

>>20742996
I know this Anon and will not shit on them. We have fundamental disagreements but above all other considerations we are siblings in Christ.

[Anonymous No.20745086]

>>20743892
>cites forgeries

[Anonymous No.20745112]

>>20744643
>not in just a few days

[Anonymous No.20745178]

>>20745086
Prot cope

[Anonymous No.20745186]

>>20745033
I already said that Paul quotes from Epimenides and Menander

[Anonymous No.20745279]

Did the original authors of each book divide the book into chapters or were they split later on based on length?

[Anonymous No.20745306]

>>20745069
>I know this Anon and will not shit on them.
>>>/vp/

[Anonymous No.20745322]

>>20745086
Debunked even by hardline prots decades ago.
>>20745279
No. Chapter and verse divisions were far later inventions designed to make things easier to reference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_of_the_Bible

[Anonymous No.20745325]

>>20745279
OT was divided, NT was written as is.
before anyone asks, it's the same text, just organized differently.

[Anonymous No.20745389]

>>20745112
>Can't recite the whole New Testament in 5 minutes
I thought you guys hated the Antichrist, too

[Anonymous No.20745393]

>>20742996
There's really nothing to shit on here

[Anonymous No.20745541]

>>20745322
>no longer boonked

[Anonymous No.20745558]

>>20743776
>That’s not to say that Enoch doesn’t have true elements in it. Jude recognized this in his epistle,
so from what I understand the book of Enoch took some fragments from other works, took some from oral tradition maybe and other fragments were made up and when Jude recalls Henoch he could mean the oral tradition instead which contained truth
my question is now why in hell did God allow some guy to take the truth from oral tradition and mix it with his lies and serve it up as Enoch's book? If his words are so important they have to be quoted numerous times in the NT wouldn't it make sense that God would help to preserve them in original form just like he did with other scriptures? Can you explain why he did that with some books but he didn't do that with book of Enoch?

[Anonymous No.20745568]

What should I get out of 2 Corinthians? It's filtering me.

[Anonymous No.20745728]

Was Eden in heaven?

[Anonymous No.20745774]

What's your favourite out of the five megillot, song of songs, Ruth, lamentations, ecclesiastes, or Ester?

[Anonymous No.20745791]

>>20745774
I'm not jewish

[Anonymous No.20745845]

>>20745728
No, it was in some wealthy Akkadian denizen's backyard garden.

[Anonymous No.20745989]

>>20745568
Everything it says is what you should get out of it. Come out from among them, be ye separate.

[Anonymous No.20746006]

>>20745989

[Anonymous No.20746258]

>>20746006

[Anonymous No.20746388]

>>20744578
I see. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.20746498]

I'm not sure which thread to post this in but I had a very unsettling dream last night.
Was in a coptic orthodox church, not sure how I ended up there but I was unconscious. When I came to there was a father standing over me with a heshen sack (I was also with a woman who was experiencing the same thing the entire time). He stood on my legs to prevent me from moving and forced me into the sack, then dragged me through the hallways to what I assume was the head father's offices.
I was accused of breaking into the church and stealing a significant historical artifact and was threatened with murder as a result. I made no protest and didn't speak out, even though I had no memory of stealing the artifact nor did I have any intention to. I assumed I had been possessed and then committed the act but still resigned myself to the punishment as if it had been committed by my own will.
The Father then described how the artifact (it was like a necklace, or more like a collar) was originally a possession of Jesus that the Father used to initiate people into the mysteries.
The entire time I was praying the Jesus prayer in my mind.

Not asking for any meaning or interpretation of the dream. Just sharing what happened with anons.

[Anonymous No.20746668]

>>20746498
thanks for sharing

[Anonymous No.20747217]

I have once again committed the auto-erotic Mortal Sin.
How can it be that after so much I have learnt, after so much time and thought and words spent trying to help others find Christ, after how many times God has personally touched my heart that I do forsake Jesus Christ himself with full knowledge before the act and full consent? I know my works cannot save me, but if they did proceed from faith: where is that faith now? I will never renounce the Word of God, but all the time I hold it in my head rather than in heart.
They say to marry is to be bolstered against temptation, but I think that if cannot be faithful to the Son of Man, how can I remain faithful to a loving wife? Must I turn away those hopeful who fancy me and break their hearts for the sake of avoiding a greater sadness after a greater sin?
Jesus Christ, have mercy upon me, a sinner.

[Anonymous No.20747248]

>>20747217
Calm down. The natural urges which man is created with are distorted by his fallen nature and by the fallen world in which he lives, creating one of the strongest temptations he can face. Many saints have written about lust and some have said that it is the last of the passions to be defeated along the way towards perfection.
Don't think of your failing as a sign that you will never make it; think of it as stumbling on a long road. Quickly get up, brush yourself off, and repent, because lying on the ground wishing you hadn't fallen won't get you anywhere.
You may have to struggle a few more years to conquer your passions; you may struggle your whole life. What's important is that you do struggle to the end.
You're also far from the first person to have trouble with these things. Your local priest or elder has seen it many times. Consult with them and seek their guidance.

[Anonymous No.20747429]

>>20747248
words of satan
you should fight away your addiction now, as soon as possible or face hell because it's written God wouldn't impose challenge on you that you wouldn't be able to overcome
the truth is you don't really want to beat lust but you try to lie to yourself to appear you don't truly trangress against God

[Anonymous No.20747441]

>>20747429
>words of satan
Anon I'm trying to tell him that time spent beating himself up over failing again is time he could spend repenting and fighting his problem, not that he shouldn't fight it at all. Letting guilt crush you to the point of inaction or scruples is another way for you to get lost on the straight and narrow road.

[Anonymous No.20747463]

>>20747441
but you also demoralised him by saying his struggle is very hard to overcome and lying that just trying matters and not beating sin completely

[Anonymous No.20747466]

>>20747217
basically what >>20747248 said, plus a tip.
when you feel those urges, try to see yourself from an "outside perspective". think of how you'd look at someone doing what you're about to. usually just that 'change of perspective' already gets you ot of the "haze" of lust.
also avoid anything that might tempt you (red boards, for an example for this site)

[Anonymous No.20747471]

>>20747463
>lying that just trying matters and not beating sin completely
which is the worst thing you can say
you know why?
because additction gets worst every day so sin becomes harder to overcome with time you get used to it
now it's the easiest moment you will have in your life
it just gets worse

[Anonymous No.20747480]

>>20747466
and >>20747463 also has a point. don't misunderstand the other anon and think some inaction will change how you are. fight your desires with all you've got. when you feel like you will falter, pray.
another tip here, pray until you stop feeling it.

[Anonymous No.20747505]

>>20747466
>gets you ot
*out
oops.

[Anonymous No.20747824]

>>20745845
interesting. is there a possibility that the gardens were based on Eden rather than Eden based on the gardens?

[Anonymous No.20747828]

>>20747824
>Are X gardens a reference to Y gardens?
Lord help me, anglos are so stupid....

[Anonymous No.20747877]

>>20747824
This
>>20747828
enjoy your sickle cell

[Anonymous No.20747912]

wtf?

[Anonymous No.20747935]

>>20747912
??????????

[Anonymous No.20748027]

>>20739399
The teaching of an eternal outcome based on a finite life is not correct, is contrary to God’s love, and it is time we started teaching the truth

[Anonymous No.20748328]

>>20747248
Terrible advice. This is what happens when you walk with sinners, they tell you to "calm down" when you feel regret instead of encuoraging you on your path of repentence and abandoning sin completely.

[Anonymous No.20748374]

>>20746498
>I assumed I had been possessed and then committed the act
Why did you assume this? Did it happen before?

[Anonymous No.20748406]

Sodom reigns in this site.
Wither do we go?

[Anonymous No.20748483]

[Anonymous No.20748501]

when you're an atheist you want to kill yourself, when you're a christian you want to kill your self. suffering happens all the same, but when you're an atheist you sink deeper into darkness and when you're a christian you acquire grace through suffeering

[Anonymous No.20748584]

>>20748374
It was just a feeling I had during the dream, and I had no recollection of the action beforehand. One of those semi-lucid dreams where you can analyze as it happens but have limited range to act.

[Anonymous No.20748605]

>>20747217
Why are Christians like this, all you think about is sexual sin.

[Anonymous No.20748614]

>>20748605
>sex
I want you to do do a survey by counting the the number of posts pertaining to that over the total number of posts.

[Anonymous No.20748630]

>>20748605
It's literally just one post? And people think about the sin that they struggle with the most. What does it matter what sin it is? They're all bad.

[Anonymous No.20748910]

God's power is incredible. It amazes me every day. I'm the most unworthy servant, but He continues to watch over me every day.

[Anonymous No.20749036]

>>20740122
y-you're not supposed to point this out...

[Anonymous No.20749043]

>>20747217
And again!
HOW DO I STOP WANTING?

[Anonymous No.20749050]

Luke 2:29-32 has become my favourite verses of the Bible now

[Anonymous No.20749061]

>>20749043
What helps me is thinking about martyrs. They survived years in harsh prison conditions, beaten every day, and I can't survive without pleasures in the comfort of my own life? I ask some of these saints to intercede for me, I say the Jesus Prayer, and the devils go away.

[Anonymous No.20749062]

Any good Psalms about suffering and loving God that don't involve my enemies surrounding me or trying to harm me?

[Anonymous No.20749071]

>>20749061
I try to eliminate all subjectivism in my heart in pursuit of objectivity in my head, and the only remnant of it is sinful desire that catches me as if under hypnosis and no thought can set me free, as it if it were so.
>Jesus Prayer
How does that go?

[Anonymous No.20749072]

>>20747217
do not despair anon, some are called to salvation, some are called to perfection.

[Anonymous No.20749078]

>>20749071
>I try to eliminate all subjectivism in my heart in pursuit of objectivity in my head,
What does that mean?
>How does that go?
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Jesus_Prayer

[Anonymous No.20749097]

>>20749078
Thanks.
It means to forsake all that feels good in favour of that which is good.
No videogames, TV, junk food etc.; i.e asceticism. Those were much easier considering they aren't an immediate part of my anatomy.
Those were once all that I did, all that I liked, all that I was.

[Anonymous No.20749109]

>>20749097
That's good progress anon. But what is good is found with your heart, not with your head.

[Anonymous No.20749246]

Isn't nocturnal emission just involuntary masturbation which your body does because it needs to?

[Anonymous No.20749291]

>>20746498
Are you Ortho?

[Anonymous No.20749379]

How is a Christian supposed to live day to day?

[Anonymous No.20749439]

>>20749246
Such things are the result of succubi and incubi.

[Anonymous No.20749446]

>>20749246
just fallen bodily functions.
i've never had it, either.

[Anonymous No.20749684]

>>20749379
[18] And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[19] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
[20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

[Anonymous No.20749921]

>>20749684
I was thinking about more specific examples because most people are familiar with these commandments already.

[Anonymous No.20749961]

>>20749379
With their hearts turned towards God. Frequent prayer and always loving Christ and their neighbors.

[Anonymous No.20750006]

>>20749961
>Frequent
*unceasing
FTFY

[Anonymous No.20750009]

>>20749961
>Frequent prayer
How many, for an example.

[Anonymous No.20750028]

>>20750009
I do at least 5 minutes as soon as I wake up (before checking my phone or anything) and 5 minutes before I go to bed. Throughout the day I pray whenever I get the chance (walking towards the restroom, taking a break, dead time, waiting, heading home, walking, etc.) I often forget to pray before and after eating, but I'm trying to fix that.

[Anonymous No.20750113]

>>20750028
Is there more you could do?

[Anonymous No.20750323]

>>20750113
I also read the Bible daily, take communion on Sunday, volunteer to help at the church and in my neighborhood through the council, give money to beggars, sacrifice for others whenever I can, etc., but there's always more I can do. That's why I'm planning to stay at a monastery for several months to pray more. If you want to do the most, you have to become a monk.

[Anonymous No.20750369]

>>20750323
>you have to become a monk.
Is that really true? Aren't you supposed to inspire and help other people? If we are to strive to be perfect and imitate Christ is that really compatible?

[Anonymous No.20750457]

>>20750323
>If you want to do the most, you have to become a monk.
Daily reminder, that originally the point of being a monke was to destroy your βίος, so that only your ζωή (animal life) would remain. Juridicially, to become a monkey was to be deprived of legal rights and technically to live outside the law.

[Anonymous No.20750496]

>>20750369
>Is that really true?
Absolutely, yes.
>Aren't you supposed to inspire and help other people?
You usually become hierodeacon/hieromonk/abbot/archimandrite etc. so you're often in contact with others serving Christ. They also write books, donate, volunteer, etc. It's really dedicating your life to Christ (the idea is that Christ becomes your spouse).
> If we are to strive to be perfect and imitate Christ is that really compatible?
Yes, this is the best way. Anyone will tell you this at least in Orthodoxy.

[Anonymous No.20750506]

>>20750496
But yet Christ lived among people?

[Anonymous No.20750549]

>>20750506
Many monks may see dozens of people who come for advice/confession daily, sometimes hundreds if they're well known monks. But monks strive towards theosis which is the closest to imitating Christ: you're supposed to imitate Christ spiritually, not materially.

[Anonymous No.20750615]

>>20747912
>moderation for r/"christianity" was given to degenerate on a known centralized porn site
>how could this have happened?

[Anonymous No.20750629]

>>20750549
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea but there is something in it that doesn't make sense. It puts you in a spot where you can't really experience life as it was intended and it's more like being shielded from it. I personally would like to live in a similar way but at the same time it feels like there is something sketchy about it.

[Anonymous No.20750667]

>>20750629
Well it's not like you're supposed to throw yourself into it. Go visit a monastery for a few weeks/months and learn more about it, read from Philokalia, watch some videos from Mount Athos, etc. It's a very special path.

[Anonymous No.20750799]

>>20750549
>you're supposed to imitate Christ spiritually, not materially
He told the rich man to go and sell all that he owned, give it to the poor, and follow Him. Obviously He hopes for us to at least move closer to such a manner of living, as best we are able.

[Anonymous No.20750813]

After the corinthians snoozefest galatians really slaps. Paul was the GOAT

[Anonymous No.20750961]

>>20750799
>He told the rich man to go and sell all that he owned, give it to the poor, and follow Him.
That's precisely what monks do.

[Anonymous No.20751081]

>>20750961
No, they put their lights under baskets and are not out serving as lights among the people in the situations where they are. Only people who know about monks go to them.

[Anonymous No.20751107]

>>20751081
If you say so

[Anonymous No.20751128]

Why is millennialism so popular? And I guess perverted forms of it?

[Anonymous No.20751160]

>>20751107
Yes, I say obvious absolute facts.

[Anonymous No.20751267]

>>20751128
Maybe because you're american and there are a lot of protestants around you?

[Anonymous No.20751374]

>>20743551
no one ever cared about 2 Enoch at all though

[Anonymous No.20751395]

>>20744643
>groomercore priest

[Anonymous No.20751411]

>>20751267
That doesn't really answer the question

[Anonymous No.20751470]

>>20739272
bible stole everything is has. it is utterly retarded

[Anonymous No.20751483]

>>20751470
>literally debunked nonsense from Zeitgeist
lol

[Anonymous No.20751498]

>>20751470
almost none of those things are true about the other gods though. like without any religious bias whatsoever theyre literally made up.
not a christian btw just not a retard either

[Anonymous No.20751509]

>>20751470
99% of that are all false, though.

[Anonymous No.20751573]

Thoughts on the Tree of Life Version?

[Anonymous No.20751588]

>>20751573
>>20745774
Go make a jewish general

[Anonymous No.20751657]

Jews who followed Christ were based and redpilled. The rest of them were filtered by their own textbook, have been seething ever since, and it's on wonder they switched from Judaism to Atheism seamlessly because they never believed in anything else other than the antichrist.

[Anonymous No.20751761]

>>20751588
>a jewish general
Ok. Why though?

[Anonymous No.20751771]

>>20751761
you didnt make that

[Anonymous No.20751776]

>>20751657
We believe in one G-d and the Law of Moses. I must have skipped the day we worship demons, money, the antichrist and so forth.

[Anonymous No.20751795]

>>20751776
you people lie like you breathe

[Anonymous No.20751864]

The Psalms don't do anything for me

[Anonymous No.20751972]

Form criticism bros... how can we recover?

[Anonymous No.20752411]

Tell me why I SHOULDN'T, as a classically Orthodox protestant, join and even seek ordination in a mainline denomination? They're generally wrong on issues like homosexuality while erring on the side of tolerance, while conservative evangelicals are generally wrong on issues of the state, Israel, and fundamentalism. Either way the figureheads make bad statements that don't represent me, but the legacy and liturgies of mainline churches are superior.

[Anonymous No.20752441]

>>20752411
>me me me me
My brother in Christ, when you're more concerned with what you believe and how the Church disagrees with you than you are with submitting to the teachings of Christ and his Church, the problem isn't with the Church.

[Anonymous No.20752453]

>>20752441
You're projecting your own unrelated question onto mine

[Anonymous No.20752756]

>>20748406
I feel the same. There is no way God would want us to congregate on a porn site that has 20 boards dedicated to porn and sexual depravity. Even on supposedly blue boards anyone can post porn and it will take ages before its deleted untill they IP-hop and post it again.
If only I wasn’t so stupid I would be able to find a good substitute but all imageboards are either dead or with the same problems as for imageless message boards I have no idea how to find a good one.

[Anonymous No.20752898]

>>20752756
i like it here, even with the trolls and whatnot. A curious and lost anon might stumble upon this thread, and find Christ; they wouldn't go out of their way to visit a Christian message board.

[Anonymous No.20752927]

>>20752756
>>20748406
I feel the same way. It's nice but I can't use this site in fully good conscience as a Christian. Someone needs to create a ChristianChan.

[Anonymous No.20752940]

>>20752898
Same. I stick to a very small handful of boards, and almost exclusively only Bible/Christian threads. It is pretty rare that I ever have to see any porn and whenever I see a thread in the catalog that has a lustful woman I hide it. I hide ones with gay imagery also, not because of temptation, just disgust. Exactly as you say, perhaps we will be able to serve, however faintly or clearly, as a relay of the voice of the Shepherd to someone here. There are also enough knowledgeable Anons here that I gain valuable insights, so there is legitimate edification which occurs. I have no other social media whatsoever and am here forever, so might as well cope with the negatives.

[Anonymous No.20753518]

I come in peace, I simply want to know how we explain this one in Deuteronomy.

[Anonymous No.20753583]

>>20753518
You are horribly misguided. Repent.

[Anonymous No.20753595]

>>20753518
>NIV
It's a mistranslation of premarital sex.

[Anonymous No.20753616]

>>20740073
Burn in hell pedo scum, may God have mercy on your soul

[Anonymous No.20753708]

>>20752756
>>20752927
I don't see the issue honestly. Jesus was eating with prostitutes and thieves. I'd worry more about the quality of the posts we make rather than what others in other threads do.

[Anonymous No.20753819]

>>20753518
tfw no gf...

[Anonymous No.20754213]

Alright bros tell me what are your top 3 favorite books in the OT and in the NT?

[Anonymous No.20754307]

Aussie anon here, looking for a good KJB (1611 version). It'll be my first physical bible. My requirements are it has the apocrypha but I can bear if it doesn't have things like maps though i would prefer it. I just want a good one that will last.

[Anonymous No.20754359]

Just conducted an informal inquisition into a 'Christian Scientist' 'Church' via interview with the staff.
Their principal work by Mary Baker Eddy says that "God is a woman". They also expound Gnostic heresies at great length: for example, the material is evil, and the spiritual good; they don't believe in evil spirits, do not recognise the Trinity, and posit that men can become as gods.
>>20754307
If you live in Sydney, Abbey Road Bookstore has Oxford printed (with the same 1611 typeface) KJ Versions with Apocrypha, but they're paperback and quite unwieldy due to their size owing to the high GSM paper.
You can also get the KJ Version Apocrypha stand-alone in the original 1611 typeface as a hard-cover from BookDepository.com for $20 AUD which is pretty handy.
RCIA also hands out Jerusalem Study Bibles (CTS) for free, but I prefer KJ Versions too, and it's a hassle finding a pocket, Gideon's-Size KJ Version with the Apocrypha.
Amazon has everything, but you have to know how to use advance search and filters, even "Inverted_Commas".

[Anonymous No.20754377]

>>20749043
Separate want from lust. Separate craving from desire. Set up measures for yourself avoid anything that leads to it while your dopamine systems repairs itself. I only go on this board now and only ever use the fit sticky elsewise. Part of it is understanding and effort and the other part is working the science. The answer is just to not fo it and to not do things you know to be wrong. It sounds naive but I'm in the same struggle as you and I went 3 months after years of not going more than a couple days. I only stopped getting better because I fell to despair and stopped struggling. I was impatient and impudent. I was making excuses out of external struggles and confusing them with inability to triumph over them. I can do it, you can do it, we can do it. We have the biggest guy on our side, we can't lose.

[Anonymous No.20754387]

>>20749246
Part of it is autonomous function that cleans your system or checks it out. If you intentionally try to spark these dreams, then you are sinning. Otherwise, they are perfectly natural but should not be held in any regard or desired. Just don't get mixed up in them and move in with your day. Learn from them, even.

[Anonymous No.20754400]

>>20751470
The debunking is in the chart mega

[Anonymous No.20754415]

>>20753518
1) Consider the time and land
2) Possible faults in translation

[Anonymous No.20754440]

>>20754359
I don't care about pocket size so much. It's like 80 books. Of course hardcover would be the go to if i want a long lasting one. I'm in Brisbane btw. Thank you for the suggestions. I try to avoid amazon but I think I'll probably go that route since using amazon to buy a bible isn't the worst thing you can do.

[Anonymous No.20754458]

>>20753518
>discovered
I think this is basically pregnancy. Keep in mind, a single mother with a child who had never been married was never going to get married and would've been poor and an outcast. This was to protect the woman. The spirit of this is also interesting because the primordial image of baptism is in a sense being perfectly raped by the logos, which is to say that the logos penetrates you in a way you didn't expect and didn't know would happen and kills you to this world and yet you become married to it. Additionally, it speaks to the idea that love can triumph over hate if we commit ourselves to one another via God.

[Anonymous No.20754464]

>>20754359
>Go to bookdepository.com
>search bible
>first result is the satanic bible
>second result is a book about rocks called the crystal bible
Yeah I'm staying away from that site

[Anonymous No.20754496]

>>20747248
>>20747466
>>20749072
>>20749061
>>20754377
Thank you for your wisdom.
I pray that by whatever miracle of mercy, lust becomes a mere memory.
I use to be so greedy, yet I lived on the dole, so proud, yet had no reason to be, so wrathful, yet I hated what I could not see. All those have greatly reversed, and I was never one for envy in such a world of plenty.
I can only be patient, but the problem with having so much knowledge is that sometimes we think we can preëmpt the Will of God, pre-dict it, like someone who finishes others' sentences. I must find a purer humility, I must find a way to fill my every thought and monologue with the Logos of God, that every distraction from that be seen as temptation. If only there was a formula to this.

[Anonymous No.20754498]

>>20754464
What is the default filter: most popular, or most 'relevant'?
They have a few books that even Amazon doesn't have.

[Anonymous No.20754499]

>>20754359
>Just conducted an informal inquisition into a 'Christian Scientist' 'Church' via interview with the staff.
>Their principal work by Mary Baker Eddy says that "God is a woman". They also expound Gnostic heresies at great length: for example, the material is evil, and the spiritual good; they don't believe in evil spirits, do not recognise the Trinity, and posit that men can become as gods.
What? What is that? Why did you interview with them? What do they do?

[Anonymous No.20754523]

>>20754499
I just sat down and talked with an emphasis on informal.
Apart from what I said above, they deflected most questions with tangential statements.
"Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures" is there text that they read -alongside- the Bible at they're service. Even us Catholics don't read the Catechism at Mass.
"Hiddekel: the source of wisdom" is what was said in the glossary badly-placed in the middle of the book.
Fun fact: the building was 100 metres away from the nearest Masonic Lodge.

[Anonymous No.20754544]

Why did the jannie delete my dream =(

[Anonymous No.20754558]

>>20754544
Yeah that's odd. I guess it wasn't related to the Bible?

[Anonymous No.20754562]

>>20754213
>OT
Genesis
Isaiah
Job
>NT
John
Romans
Revelation

[Anonymous No.20754583]

>>20754496
Calm down dude. You're human. You don't need to become a christ conduit to be good. You're human, you're a Christian human, you're a Christian. The issue isn't that challenfing to overcome when you face the simple truths.

[Anonymous No.20754587]

>>20754558
Yeah wasnt really related. But jannies are so weird with this kind of shit. Remove random posts but then leave offtopic shit post threads up.

[Anonymous No.20754590]

>>20754583
>t. satan

[Anonymous No.20754715]

>>20754590
Aiming to be like christ isn't the same as obsessing over having logos in your internal voice constantly. Jesus was human too. He had regular thoughts and he combatted temptation as well. The fear us part of the issue as to why it's harder to stop.

[Anonymous No.20754729]

>>20754715
So it's ok to masturbate?

[Anonymous No.20754804]

>>20754729
No? When did I say that? I said calm down and stop obsessing.

[Anonymous No.20754825]

>>20754804
What does that mean? You should be more relaxed about sinning? You should care less?

[Anonymous No.20754970]

>>20739272
Thoughts and opinions regarding "Sola Scriptvra"?

[Anonymous No.20755057]

>>20754970
Debunked
>Sola Scriptura was never believed by any of the apostles, let alone Jesus Himself, who referred to non-Biblical Jewish traditions such as the Seat of Moses without condemning it. The fact that Jude quotes from Enoch despite it being extra-canonical is another point as well, not to mention the Old Testament references to books such as Jasher. The canon isn’t known apart from tradition, which is established by councils and the living history of the Church. The priesthood comes from the position of Elder or Presbyteros, which is right in the Epistles of Paul, and is mentioned in early documents such as Ignatius of Antioch as well, and is not the same as the typical Greek word for priest, which is hiereus—“ Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest [archiereus] in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.” Deacons, presbyters and bishops are a clear part of the New Covenant, and Christ is the one High Priest.

[Anonymous No.20755323]

>>20755057
Out of curiosity, whom are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.20755351]

>>20754970
It's real. King Josiah was able to restore proper worship when the Scriptures were found in the neglected temple while doing repairs. After reading what was found it was clear that what was being practiced had been corrupted.

[Anonymous No.20755386]

>salvation by faith
How do I know if I believe "enough"?

[Anonymous No.20755406]

Paul literally retconned Christianity and told you guys to never masturbate or marry.

[Anonymous No.20755512]

>>20754825
It means that you should focus on doing the things you need to do instead of obsessing over your failures or despairing for not being perfect enough. Beating yourself up for failing on your way or seeing yourself as already damned for not already being a saint won't do anything for you. Going to confession, attending mass/liturgy, being charitable, helping your fellow man, praying consistently, and reading scripture will.
No one ever told anon that it was okay to keep sinning, only that working himself into a panic over being an imperfect being was counterproductive and can lead to another trap of the adversary (scruples).

[Anonymous No.20755611]

>>20751470
sounds like great stories uncovering glimpses of the eternal truth, to which christ proceeds to correct and actually live out and in the highest manifestation of every pattern

[Anonymous No.20755612]

>>20755512
>It means that you should focus on doing the things you need to do
What do you need to do that's more important than sinning less?
>instead of obsessing over your failures or despairing for not being perfect enough.
Except that's exactly how you fix yourself.
>Beating yourself up for failing on your way or seeing yourself as already damned for not already being a saint won't do anything for you.
This is just liberal dogma. Be kind to yourself, don't worry too much about your weaknesses, embrace who you are, etc. Your advice goes against all scripture and all church fathers. There's nothing more important in Christianity than becoming more like Christ which necessarily means you should sin less. Suffering is a crucial part of Christianity, not something you avoid so you don't stress yourself out. You're just preaching liberalism and it has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

[Anonymous No.20755728]

>>20753518
>he took the blue pill that women hate rape

[Anonymous No.20755736]

>>20754970
Best debate I've heard on the topic:

>https://youtu.be/LlLlzDBHhhA?t=494

[Anonymous No.20755755]

>>20755386
My guess is that if you acted the same as if God took you into hell for a day or two and allowed you to come back in other words if you acted the same as if you knew

[Anonymous No.20755859]

>>20753518
>tfw can no longer just save up 50 silvsheks while evaluating potential brides to be without concern for their reciprocation

[Anonymous No.20755865]

I don't understand how fasting should be done in Wednesday and Friday. I read that you should abstain from all types from food, then that you should just abstain from meat and cooked oil food while being able to eat fish and it makes it hard for me to comprehend.

[Anonymous No.20755866]

>>20755406
The Pauline gap between the Gospel and Paul's epistles is pretty much the root of most confusion in Christianity. Was he divinely inspired? Absolutely. Does that put him at the same level of authority as the divinely inspiring? No.

[Anonymous No.20755872]

>>20755866
Satan posting

[Anonymous No.20755934]

>>20755865
As far as I know, you're not allowed to eat meat, eggs, cheese, and milk (animal products) on Wednesday and Friday. There are some details here https://orthodoxwiki.org/Fasting

[Anonymous No.20755962]

>>20739272
Suggestion for OP to add this to the next OP

Ephesians 4:29-32
>Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen.
>And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
>Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, outcry and slander, along with every form of malice.
>Be kind and tenderhearted to one another, forgiving each other just as in Christ God forgave you.

[Anonymous No.20756084]

>Wear the mask or you can’t worship God
After trying a Catholic Church filled with horrible modern art and a dead mass, to this Orthodox priest telling me I can’t worship unless I wear a mask (in England nowhere else is mandating this, I can go to the pub, restaurants, work anything…but church)
I think I’ve come to a point where organised religion isn’t for me.
Which made me think; is there any literature maybe by hermits or individuals that sought to live a Holy life just with prayer and doing good rather than attending church?

[Anonymous No.20756090]

>>20753583
All I did was ask a question, respectfully how am I misguided?

[Anonymous No.20756101]

>>20756084
If you're a Christian you need to go to church instead of whining every day.

[Anonymous No.20756106]

>>20756084
So you worship your personal politics rather than God pretty much then.

[Anonymous No.20756120]

>>20756084
>organised religion isn’t for me
>is there any literature maybe by hermits or individuals that sought to live a Holy life
"Just see these superfluous ones! Wealth they acquire and become poorer thereby. Power they seek for, and above all, the lever of power, much money—these impotent ones!
See them clamber, these nimble apes! They clamber over one another, and thus scuffle into the mud and the abyss.
Towards the throne they all strive: it is their madness—as if happiness sat on the throne! Ofttimes sitteth filth on the throne.—and ofttimes also the throne on filth.
Madmen they all seem to me, and clambering apes, and too eager. Badly smelleth their idol to me, the cold monster: badly they all smell to me, these idolaters.
<...>
Do go out of the way of the bad odour! Withdraw from the idolatry of the superfluous!
Do go out of the way of the bad odour! Withdraw from the steam of these human sacrifices!
Open still remaineth the earth for great souls. Empty are still many sites for lone ones and twain ones, around which floateth the odour of tranquil seas.
Open still remaineth a free life for great souls. Verily, he who possesseth little is so much the less possessed: blessed be moderate poverty!
There, where the state ceaseth—there only commenceth the man who is not superfluous: there commenceth the song of the necessary ones, the single and irreplaceable melody.
There, where the state ceaseth—pray look thither, my brethren! Do ye not see it, the rainbow and the bridges of the Superman?—"

"Thus spoke Zarathustra"

[Anonymous No.20756125]

>>20756106
No, the “priests” worship their personal politics more than God, it seems

[Anonymous No.20756136]

I was raised as Christian but stopped believing around 15. I'm 30 now, I started going to a new church just because I want to surround myself with people who care about morals and are trying to be decent people, and I'm really enjoying it. I'm reading the Bible and getting a lot out of it. Genesis I can pass off as being a metaphor, and i do the same with the Gospels. But I understand the Gospels is the main thing, and you kind of have to believe it. How am I supposed to look at it? Why don't I believe? What am I missing?

[Anonymous No.20756139]

>>20756120
>Be careful not to allow anyone to captivate you through an empty, deceitful philosophy that is according to human traditions and the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

[Anonymous No.20756156]

>>20756136
>What am I missing?
From your post, it seems like you just don't care much about Christianity, so maybe that. At least you're on a good path, but you'll have to work on your pride. You don't decide for yourself what you can "pass off as being a metaphor." Christianity is an ancient faith with a holy tradition, not a toy you play with however you want. I'd say keep at it and start taking it more seriously if you ever want to see any meaningful results.

[Anonymous No.20756180]

>>20756136
>people who care about morals
Psst, kid: when a person tells you it's good to be altruistic, they are reaping a profit from your altruism.
Had they themselves been altruistic, they wouldn't have allowed to reap profits at your expense, and thus they would have never accepted your selflessness as something "good".
But as soon as society accepts altruism and recommends altruism for the sake of its utility, it is using the directly opposed principle, 'You shall seek your advantage even at the expense of everything else'. The motives of this morality stand in opposition to its principle.

[Anonymous No.20756225]

>>20755612
One should strive to overcome sin and become as good as they possibly can in the most prudent, efficient, and prayerful way possible. Encouraging despair is neither edifying nor efficient for growth. It’s a recipe for scrupulously, something which I have seen destroy many people’s faith. One must be genuinely penitent but also keep hope and faith in Christ, remembering that he is our advocate and helps us to overcome sin. Christ is not a distant God waiting for us on the other side of the finish line, he runs with us picks us up when we fall, and when we can walk no longer, he will carry us.

“My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.”
- 1 John

[Anonymous No.20756252]

>>20756225
>Christ is not a distant God waiting for us on the other side of the finish line, he runs with us picks us up when we fall,
"our ego is always hateful, how can we permit and suppose other people, whether God or men, to love it? It would be contrary to all good principles to let ourselves be loved when we know very well that we deserve nothing but hatred"

[Anonymous No.20756267]

>>20756225
>Encouraging despair
Who did that?
>also keep hope and faith in Christ
Who said otherwise anywhere? You've been writing apologetics for watching porn all day for nothing.

[Anonymous No.20756272]

>>20756252
t. Satan

[Anonymous No.20756321]

How were early Christians "stoned"? Did people literally throw medium-sized stones at their bodies and faces? I imagine if someone hits you with a stone in the head you may immediately faint, bleed, lose your teeth, etc.

[Anonymous No.20756341]

>>20756267
No one is apologizing for looking at porn either. Beating yourself up is different from undergoing penance or even just feeling bad for something. What matters is that one sins no more. If suffering or feeling miserable is conducive to that end, then that is what one needs. If comforting and feeling at peace is what one needs to overcome a particular sin, then that is what one needs — and in all cases one needs faith. Counsel must be tempered to the particular person and struggle they are going through — this is a large part of pastoral care. I’m as much as you against people being overly coddled or lacking fear of God, but remember that God’s love came to us even when we were dead in our sins. One must hold this truth before oneself even as one suffers in repentance: God wants us to win and is helping us.

I’m also not the guy you were arguing with above, the post you replied to is my first post in the thread. Let’s not tilt at windmills brother

[Anonymous No.20756342]

>>20756136
Welcome back friend :) I'm really glad you're finding solace in being at church and reading the Bible.

Firstly I would encourage you not to get discouraged. Keep going to church regardless of whatever you're struggling with, and keep reading your Bible even if it challenges you. Just physically being there at church and reading the Word is more important than you think.

Second, open yourself to the idea that the Bible may not be metaphor, but that every single word is very literal inerrant truth. You are correct when you say that this is a prerequisite. It's okay if that challenges you or if it feels uncomfortable - it's supposed to feel challenging, especially at first. But don't get discouraged!

I would encourage you to start praying to God. Pray that God would open your heart and that He would help you see the truth. Pray that He would increase your desire for Him. Ultimately, He's the only one who can help you truly see.

Talk to and befriend people who believe (and act like) the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. Befriend them and share your struggles with them. Hopefully these people are at your church, but if they're not, find and befriend them. These people won't be perfect, but the point is that they believe, and they can help you see the truth too.

>How am I supposed to look at it?
As literal truth.
>Why don't I believe?
It's in our corrupt human nature not to believe.
>What am I missing?
You're missing God. In order to truly believe in Jesus Christ and what the Bible says, God first has to open your heart. The Spirit of God has to be inside you. I know that sounds confusing, but the more you seek God with your whole heart, the more it will make sense. God will open your heart to Him if you truly ask Him.

>tl;dr consistency, prayer, fellowship, salvation.

Best of luck to you, anon. I'm glad God is drawing you closer to Him. Keep going!

[Anonymous No.20756352]

>>20756156
It's hard to take some of the history literally. I see what it's teaching I'm just struggling with my faith. My life has improved since I started going to church and praying, so I'll keep at it. Thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.20756356]

>>20756341
>I’m also not the guy you were arguing with above, the post you replied to is my first post in the thread.
Then perhaps that's why your answers have nothing to do with the conversation.

[Anonymous No.20756372]

>>20756342
>You are correct when you say that this is a prerequisite.
Not really. No large denomination commands to take every word of the Bible literally. Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans don't say that you have to take Genesis literally. This is usually more common among radical protestant sects that are long lost.

[Anonymous No.20756400]

>>20756342
Thank you for the thoughtful response anon. I will continue my journey towards God.

[Anonymous No.20756420]

>>20756342
>open yourself to the idea that the Bible may not be metaphor, but that every single word is very literal inerrant truth
https://inters.org/Bellarmino-Letter-Foscarini
"Third, I say that if there were a true demonstration that the sun is at the center of the world and the earth in the third heaven, and that the sun does not circle the earth but the earth circles the sun, then one would have to proceed with great care in explaining the Scriptures that appear contrary; and say rather that we do not understand them than that what is demonstrated is false. But I will not believe that there is such a demonstration, until it is shown me. Nor is it the same to demonstrate that by supposing the sun to be at the center and the earth in heaven one can save the appearances, and to demonstrate that in truth the sun is at the center and the earth in the heaven; for I believe the first demonstration may be available, but I have very great doubts about the second, and in case of doubt one must not abandon the Holy Scripture as interpreted by the Holy Fathers. I add that the one who wrote, “The sun also riseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose,” was Solomon, who not only spoke inspired by God, but was a man above all others wise and learned in the human sciences and in the knowledge of created things; he received all this wisdom from God; therefore it is not likely that he was affirming something that was contrary to truth already demonstrated or capable of being demonstrated"

[Anonymous No.20756496]

>>20756400
another anon here, i also suggest looking at prophecy. take Daniel 9 for example, predicting the date of the arrival of the Messiah 500 years before it happened, along with predicting the fall of the Temple (after the Messiah's arrival, also prophesized by Christ), and the attack on Israel.
as for every other reply to that anon you replied to, here's what's proper.
The Bible is inerrant and perfect.
as some like to posit otherwise, why would God let it be messed with?
secondly, use common sense for interpreting.
Genesis is literal. stuff like Solomon talking about the sun, and other poetic passages are exactly that, poetic.
the Gospels are absolutely and completely historical and literal (except stuff like parables and other examples; common sense in play).

[Anonymous No.20756547]

>>20756496
oh, and as i should warn, common sense doesn't mean "it isn't literal because i don't like it". the Scriptures are going to break your misunderstandings of things, and you might not like it.
it's a very fine, hard to explain line. after you study enough you get to a point where you can spot the error in someone taking a passage out of context and either taking all sense out of it, or blowing it up into something completely literal (on a passage where it wasn't.)
a simple example here are the people who don't want to be called out on their errors and go "Jesus said you shouldn't judge!" He said you shouldn't judge to condemn, but to correct. not hating the accused, but compassionately wanting them to stop their error.

[Anonymous No.20756567]

>>20756547
and neither does it mean "it is literal and not a metaphor because it fits my agenda on some topic".
you're walking on a narrow path, and there are cliffs on both sides.

lastly, don't let anyone sell you their own "secret meaning" or whatever. there is no such thing. it is even warned about in one of the epistles. (2 Peter 1:20); the Bible is clear on everything it says.

[Anonymous No.20756573]

>>20756547
>a simple example here are the people who don't want to be called out on their errors and go "Jesus said you shouldn't judge!" He said you shouldn't judge to condemn, but to correct.
No, you shouldn't judge people period. You can only judge their actions, not themselves and their souls.

[Anonymous No.20756615]

>>20756573
yes. could've expressed myself better. it's hard to properly avoid any possible misunderstanding of complex sentences.

[Anonymous No.20756743]

3/4 of the Bible down. Excited to finish it next month so I can move on to the church fathers.

[Anonymous No.20756784]

>>20756743
yayyyy anon!

[Anonymous No.20756788]

>the pope is infallible because catholics think peter was infallible
>paul rebuked peter in galatians chapter 2

[Anonymous No.20756806]

>>20756788
the pope is only infallible since vatican 1 it has nothing to do with peter

[Anonymous No.20756816]

>>20756806
But I heard catholics claim that he was always infallibile if you tell them that their faith is not unchanging and keeps adding things

[Anonymous No.20756836]

>>20756806
So they admit Peter himself was fallible but the pope is above him too?

[Anonymous No.20756842]

I really wish Christianity was monotheistic

[Anonymous No.20756849]

>>20756842
i don't, it keeps the spirit of classical europe alive.

[Anonymous No.20756901]

>>20753518
What seems to be the issue

[Anonymous No.20757077]

>>20756836
This, they just kept making themselves above God while claiming otherwise. They are Satanic Babylonian pagans and God is going to jack them up good after Revelation 18:4. The "Orthodox™" have it coming too for some of the same and some differing things. They are both crypto Ishtar in the guise of Mary worshipers and spend more time concerned with people they allege to have been saints than they do with Scripture.

[Anonymous No.20757092]

>>20757077
Yeah because this is how a Christian talks

[Anonymous No.20757195]

>>20757092
Go lick bishop balls.

[Anonymous No.20757356]

>>20755736
>James White

[Anonymous No.20757452]

I am a Protestant but this question is troubling me anons.
How do Protestants explain how the Bible says that no gates of hell shall overcome the church? This argument is often used by both Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians against Protestants.

[Anonymous No.20757508]

>>20757452
Because the church is only legitimate believers connected invisibly with Christ and not an earthly institution, so it can't be completely overcome.

[Anonymous No.20757520]

>>20757508
Then why did nobody in the 1st century believe what you're saying?

[Anonymous No.20757542]

I have a similar issue to anon above. I originally left the catholic church due part to teenage rebellion but mostly the hypocrisy and fallacy of modernity injecting itself into this church i was a part of, I would say I was smart for my age and possibly still smart now so a saw things a lot of people didn't and it was hard to be in that position so young. I was around 13 and have come back to Christ in my 18s realising it's the right path for everything I believed in and tried to understand as a lost sheep. Everything I figured out pointed to Christ when I tested it. I live in a australia so a lot of the churches around here are cucked and practise the same mindlessness of the church I had left. How can I be a proper christian until I find a proper church or if i was to live in a remote location where there isn't one available? There's so much corruption around us.

[Anonymous No.20757555]

>>20757542
I know that online church mass will never be the same and it too is a slippery slope using the internet like that. But it's probably the best shot I have at joining an honest church and not another peddler for the NWO.

[Anonymous No.20757563]

>>20757452
How are gates going to overcome anything? They don’t even move.

[Anonymous No.20757566]

i think a lot of people take the fact that matthew was a tax-collector for granted
he would have been pretty much a made man with a great career right? just leaving that behind for christ

[Anonymous No.20757618]

>>20757566
>a made man with a great career
Yes and no.

Yes he would have made a lot of money if he stayed a tax collector, but people despised tax collectors back then, they were right down there with prostitutes and idolators. Plus if you were a Jew and a tax collector you were seen as a traitor to your nation since you were taxing your own people.

That's why Jesus eating and talking to tax collectors was such a big deal. Matthew was blessed in his time to be treated so kindly, so it's no wonder he abandoned his profession out of love for Christ. That and also he recognized Jesus as the Son of God.

[Anonymous No.20757623]

>>20757566
>>20757618
It is a great point though and something a lot of people don't think about

[Anonymous No.20757648]

>>20757566
worse yet when you see the roman deal. you had to pay them what they asked, but you could ask as much as you wanted, and keep it. it's the greediest job imaginable.

another thing people take for granted is Paul having studied under Gamaliel. he was head of the Sanhedrin, and Paul would likely succeed him in the position, along with the fact that just getting to the spot of having someone like that as a teacher means Paul was extremely well-versed in Scripture and the Law.

[Anonymous No.20757657]

>>20757648
seems like i'm criticizing Matthew with thr way i worded it. basically >>20757618
but showing that the profession was even worse.

[Anonymous No.20757684]

>>20757356
Yeah, James White is a bit of a knob, yet I still like to listen to him being destroyed by Patrick Madrid.

[Anonymous No.20757685]

>>20756084
>Catholic one is mask-free
Just go to that one, then.
If there're not enough people, you do the hard yards and bring people along.

[Anonymous No.20757690]

Jay Dyer and the rest of the online Orthodox crowd are the only Christians I have seen speaking out against the "vaccine" and masks and all this nonsense.

[Anonymous No.20757719]

>>20753518
My interpretation is that you can't read the bible as unrelated parts and have to consider it as a story where God changes. And God changes his mind a lot in the Bible, he definifely becomes less hardline and more forgiving as time goes on. He goes from the wiping out humanity and cursing us to mortality in Genesis, to some of his laws that we might consider a little strange now in Deutronomy and Numbers. We then get to him helping out in a military conquest with Israel (Could you imagine Jesus helping with a military conquest?) and favouring the Kings of Israel. Not ideal but still more chill than flooding everything.

Eventually he grows into the loving and forgiving Jesus. With Jesus's values so different from what came earlier in the Old Testament, surely you have to take this as evidence God can change.

[Anonymous No.20757721]

>>20757690
a good intro along with pageau but still too contemporary
of the big online presences met jonah, father spyridon, peter heers are the ones i think we should be moving to

[Anonymous No.20757837]

>>20757719
God is unchanging.
He is merely giving proper judgement where it's due.
He did not curse us, we brought it upon ourselves. He merely states that in our fallen state, we are bound to die.
those laws just need context; that is basically saying, in literal Hebrew, 'if someone takes a woman and lies with her'. so basically if they are found having intercourse, and basically at any other given point where a couple lie with each other, they marry.
>could you imagine Jesus helping with a military conquest
more than that. the Second Coming, where He is coming down with the angels, and the imagery used in the Bible is Him trampling grapes under his feet.(Isaiah 53:3; scroll down to the related passages in Revelation and everywhere: https://biblehub.com/isaiah/63-3.htm#study))
the New Testament forgiveness is because our sins were atoned for, by Christ.
and as it doesn't hurt to emphasize, God does not change.

[Anonymous No.20757850]

>>20757719
God is unchanging.
He is merely giving proper judgement where it's due.
He did not curse us, we brought it upon ourselves. He merely states that in our fallen state, we are bound to die.
those laws just need context; that is basically saying, in literal Hebrew, 'if someone takes a woman and lies with her'. so basically if they are found having intercourse, and basically at any other given point where a couple lie with each other, they marry.
>could you imagine Jesus helping with a military conquest
more than that. the Second Coming, where He is coming down with the angels. it is described in the Bible as Him trampling grapes under his feet.(Isaiah 53:3; scroll down to the related passages in Revelation and everywhere: https://biblehub.com/isaiah/63-3.htm#study))
the New Testament forgiveness is because our sins were atoned for, by Christ.
and as it doesn't hurt to emphasize, God does not change.

[Anonymous No.20757852]

>>20757721
>father spyridon, peter heers
I like them too!!!
I'm not Orthodox though.
But I like their videos.

[Anonymous No.20757868]

>>20757542
Accept that the Church is a divine institution made up of sinners. We are all sinners.

Yes, it's nice to find a good or exceptional community, if Providence allows. But the alternative should not be to avoid Church, but to attend, in accordance with the will of God, who founded the Church and gave it both teaching authority, and the power of binding and loosing.

[Anonymous No.20757873]

>>20755934
What about the time of fasting? Do you have to wait till the sun rises or you can do it at 0am already because it turns into more than 24 hours.

[Anonymous No.20757888]

>>20757542
keep going until you find a good one.
if you can't, i'll answer regularly, and the remote location scenario.
regular answer: attend the best one you can find, go to their Bible study, and try to help other churchgoers properly learn Scripture, avoid error and everything.
remote location answer: try to find other Christians, or even people to preach the Gospel to, and congregate at one of your houses. that's what the earliest churches were like. some had renovations to make a place for congregation even; what was known as a 'domo ekklesia', "house church" to be literal.

[Anonymous No.20757935]

>>20757868
I will try to go to the least pozzed church then. However, I will not attend a heretical church supporting the forces that corrupt society. Seeing the way my old church congregation acted righteous whilst being no different from most atheists and heathens and seeing actual christians that were better and moral people, I know that there are good churches out there and that stand for Christ entirely while bad churches create bad, unenlightened Christians. Most people I encounter who call themselves Christian I have a hard time believing and they attend those churches if not at all. I don't want to be amongst those people since I know the people I do wish to congregate with exist.

[Anonymous No.20757992]

>>20757542
as for being a proper Christian, either while in or looking for a church, study the Bible.
so many doubts, questions, and other things like that were answered the more i studied and learned.

my tip is knowing 'the Bible is always right'. anything sounds weird or whatnot, or you didn't understand; look for explanations, the original languages, commentaries.
it may sound weird, but from all i've learned it literally is like that.

[Anonymous No.20758031]

>>20739272
NEW THREAD >>20758029
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[Anonymous No.20758068]

>>20757520
Paul did.

[Anonymous No.20758205]

>>20757992
Thanks, brother.

[Anonymous No.20758774]

What you fellas think of Jungs Answer To Job and what it suggests about christianity

[Anonymous No.20758919]

>>20758068
Bro Paul literally created the church and instructed the first priests
>>20757452
Just keep lying to yourself, that's what protestants have been doing for centuries

[Anonymous No.20759385]

Why did the Protestant Gideons take out the flag from the pocket editions?
If they wanted to be more non-denominational, they should rather not have claimed that the Bible is composed of 66 books.
Their address is 33 Street, Mawson (take away the W) in Canberra.
[I had to use a CD case to hold down the papers sprung up by the quite elastic binding so I could take a clear photo]

[Anonymous No.20759432]

>>20758031
Pruned again

[Anonymous No.20759488]

What is the superior OT commentary?
>inb4 the NT

[Anonymous No.20759506]

>>20759488
same as nt commentary: church fathers

[Anonymous No.20759605]

>>20739272
janny banned me for baking. please other people help baking.

[Anonymous No.20759618]

>>20739272
new thread >>20759616