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[Anonymous No.20727396]

mosaic edition
Prius fīlum: >>20681793

Latin/Greek MEGA: https://mega(dot)nz/#F!9o4QEIIK!P3piz8Bfw-z7jgb7Q8NWDg

ANE MEGA: https://mega(dot)nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg

[Anonymous No.20727404]

>non-sequitor

[Anonymous No.20727427]

Daily reminder Latin uses words from Greek and not the other way round. Greeks win.

[Anonymous No.20727466]

>>20727396

>>20726563
>>20726982
>>20727009
>>20727036

[Anonymous No.20727514]

>>20727396
quomodo valete amici?

[Anonymous No.20727516]

>>20727427
I wish we could dab on Latin more but this just isn't true. Greeks didn't call Augustus βασιλεύς.

[Anonymous No.20727523]

>>20727516
Caesar never said "veni, vidi, vici." Nor did he ever say "E tu, Brute?"

[Anonymous No.20727527]

>>20727523
How do you know that?

[Anonymous No.20727539]

>>20727523
i tried to make the point that the greek word for caesar was καῖσαρ; taken from Latin vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.20727598]

Threadly reminder that Newton wrote his Principia in Latin. Latin won.

[Anonymous No.20727605]

Also threadly reminder that nobody here knows Latin and the only person who knows Greek seems to be a based frog/apu poster.

[Anonymous No.20727608]

>>20727427
are you the esperanto tranny?

[Anonymous No.20727615]

>>20727598
>Newton
Wasn't he a schizo, who mostly dabbled in alchemy and attempts at finding and cracking secret code messages from the bible?

>in Latin
Latin - is medieval lingua franca. Most texts are written in it.
Ancient Greek - is the language of the ancient elite. Most texts actually worth reading are written in it.

[Anonymous No.20727686]

Has anyone here tried reading medieval latin?
How difficult is it compared to the vulgate or caesar typically?

[Anonymous No.20727694]

>>20727686
ive read the summa
pretty easy

[Anonymous No.20727707]

>>20727615
one of the most pathetic copes I've seen in my life

[Anonymous No.20727724]

>>20727686
Syntactically much easier. Vocab is a bit different though.

[Anonymous No.20727798]

>>20727516
Gyro, theologia, mango etc

[Anonymous No.20727797]

>>20727598

[Anonymous No.20727804]

>>20727686
Its just normal latin with funny spelling occasionally. Like writing natio as nacio because they said palatally so it was the same.

[Anonymous No.20727811]

>>20727797
>comparing a self-help book to the most important book on history

[Anonymous No.20727865]

>>20727686
does the vulgata count as medieval latin?

[Anonymous No.20727869]

>>20727865
No.

[Anonymous No.20727922]

>>20727686
in a sense it's a self esteem booster as you can get a taste of real fluency and "read without thinking" proficiency more easily than with classical texts
if you ever get discouraged or burned out getting through some ancient text, take a pause reading some simple medieval gesta or something like that

[Anonymous No.20727983]

>>20727598
>>20727811
Principia was released in Latin because that had become the universal language among academics. Even Newton wrote his notes in Greek.

[Anonymous No.20728000]

>>20727983
>>>20727811 #
>Principia was released in Latin because that had become the universal language among academics
yes that's exactly the point
latin won

[Anonymous No.20728019]

>>20728000
oh right, sorry, forgot to congratulate you on that. the point i was making was that that greek remained the language of the elite all the way from the roman empire to the death of classical education in europe.

[Anonymous No.20728050]

>>20728019
which is false

[Anonymous No.20728063]

>>20728019
No one spoke greek in Western Europe from the 400s to the 1500s

[Anonymous No.20728090]

Do comma splices not exist in Latin? I'm reading Lingua Latina per se Illustrata and it keeps splitting two independent clauses with only a comma.

[Anonymous No.20728099]

>>20728090
i think punctuation marks didn't exist back then

[Anonymous No.20728104]

>>20728063
yeah aside from the intellectual elite

[Anonymous No.20728126]

>>20728104
No. Even Roger Bacon said there were no more than five men in Western Europe who could read Greek.

[Anonymous No.20728135]

Greeks were gay

[Anonymous No.20728168]

>>20728126
do you have the exact quote? I'm interested

[Anonymous No.20728176]

>mentally ill faggots find another way to derail the thread
don't feed the trolls

[Anonymous No.20728285]

>>20727523
He obviously didn't say et tu brute but why do you say he didn't say veni vidi vici

[Anonymous No.20728728]

>Anno quadringentesimo septuagesimo septimo, cum iam
>clarum urbis Romae nomen esset, arma tamen extra Italiam
>mota non fuerant. Ut igitur cognosceretur, quae copiae
>Romanorum essent, census est habitus. Tum inventa sunt
>civium capita ducenta nonaginta duo milia trecenta triginta
>quattuor, quamquam a condita urbe numquam bella
>cessassent. Et contra Afros bellum susceptum est primum
I may be going crazy, maybe it's the hea or the Wikipedia text is wrong?
Eutropius says here that a census was had in the fourth hundredth seventieth seventh year (ab Urbe Condita) and the number of citizens found was some 292 thousand, 334, and then the first Punic war started
but shouldn't the computation in AD give 277AD, while the first Punic war started in 264AD? I even found https://www.jstor.org/stable/41246122?seq=3#metadata_info_tab_contents which indeed confirms this census from Eutropius for the year 264AD

[Anonymous No.20728741]

>>20727608
Why is everyone so obsessed with me? I haven't posted on here in a while, I just got back last thread.

[Anonymous No.20728761]

>>20728728
>AD
I meant BC of course

[Anonymous No.20728767]

>>20728741
because the thread goes to shit as soon as you show up. You ruin it just like you ruin everything else. No one wants you here, no wants to be around you, no one wants to talk to you. You are a man with mental problems. Your very presence makes these threads worse.

[Anonymous No.20728789]

>>20728767
Except of course for my posts in the previous thread, which were generally well-received.

[Anonymous No.20728808]

>>20728767
and you take the bait every time

[Anonymous No.20728998]

>>20727514
non male sed non bene. nimis calor.

[Anonymous No.20729325]

Filii Dei, quisne optimus versus divinii Vergilii est?

[Anonymous No.20729362]

>>20728728
to expand on this, Book II, chapter 15
>C. Fabio Licinio C. Claudio Canina consulibus anno urbis conditae quadringentesimo sexagesimo primo legati Alexandrini a Ptolomaeo missi Romam venere et a Romanis amicitiam, quam petierant, obtinuerunt.
>C. Fabio Licinio C. Claudio Canina consulibus anno urbis conditae quadringentesimo sexagesimo primo
yet according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_consuls#Third_century_BC_(300%E2%80%93201) these consuls held office in 273BC, which should be 481AUC, not 461AUC
wat hapen

[Anonymous No.20729425]

>>20729325
primus quia unicus qui legi est

[Anonymous No.20729432]

>>20729362
timeline shift

[Anonymous No.20729440]

>>20728728
>>20729362
> Aufgrund seiner zahlreichen chronologischen und sachlichen Ungenauigkeiten und Fehler sank das Ansehen des Breviarium zusehends.
> Due to its many chronological and factual inaccuracies and errors, the standing of the Brevarium continued to diminish.

It's fine to read it for the Latin, though.

[Anonymous No.20729482]

>non-sequiter

[Anonymous No.20729600]

>>20729440
thanks, should've checked the German wiki, I guess I'm not going insane after all

[Anonymous No.20729941]

>>20728063
>>20728104
>>20728126
>>20728168
Everyone here is wrong (mostly).

It's true that knowledge of Greek disappeared in the middle ages, but to say that 5 people knew it is not quite accurate either depending on the time period. Ancient Greek was rediscovered in the West after the fall of Constantinople in 1453. Greek refugees by way of Venice brought manuscripts as well as their own knowledge the language to the Western Europe. It's unlikely that Erasmus or Newton would have known much Greek if they had been born 3 centuries earlier. But by the 16th and 17th century knowledge of Greek was not anywhere near as rare as it was in say the time of William the Conqueror or Charlemange.

[Anonymous No.20730803]

>the grammar annoying with reading is
Why do ablative supines exist?

[Anonymous No.20730822]

>>20730803
Pig

[Anonymous No.20730826]

>>20730803
sussy pic

[Anonymous No.20731459]

>>20729941
So westerners learning Greek was an enlightenment fad?

[Anonymous No.20732371]

Can anyone recommend a Latin podcast or audio course that's focused on learning Latin and not simply someone speaking only Latin?

[Anonymous No.20732412]

>>20731459
>westerners learning Greek
We need to differentiate 2 things:
1. The ancient Roman empire world - the Greek was the language of the educated people. Most of the coolest ancient texts were written in Greek.
2. Renaissance - the Westerners started learning Greek again, because they wanted to apply methods of comparative philology to the Septuagint, and dethrone the Pope.

[Anonymous No.20732439]

Thoughts on Dumbarton Oaks Medieval library?

[Anonymous No.20732515]

>>20732439
Good for dual-language texts. you asked this before

[Anonymous No.20732582]

How would you translate this sentence?

[Anonymous No.20732586]

>>20732582
Damn it.

Aliquid numquam ante auditum cerno.

[Anonymous No.20732595]

>>20732586
I perceive something never before heard

[Anonymous No.20732806]

>>20727514
valetis

[Anonymous No.20732856]

How difficult is it to learn Greek to read the Iliad?

[Anonymous No.20732923]

>>20732856
What languages do you know already?

[Anonymous No.20733056]

>>20727869
What is it? Late Latin? It uses things like quia + subjunctive instead of infinitive clauses for example, or some vocabulary like manducare instead of edere/esse so I suppose it's not exactly classical latin (I'm reading the Nova vulgata btw)

[Anonymous No.20733191]

would it be a good idea to make an anki deck of the entire vocabulary of a short text and start doing reps while working on other stuff before tackling it?

[Anonymous No.20733267]

>>20733191
See for yourself if it works for you. I used to do it when I started reading authentic texts and had a relatively small vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.20733283]

>>20733056
it's kinda its own thing, remember it's a translation not an original work, one that tries to also imitate the features of the OG biblical languages to a certain degree(e.g weird expressions like "morte morietur" which IIRC try to imitate an emphatic feature of hebrew)
good medieval Latin is more like classical Latin since the model to follow was explicitly Cicero and other golden era writers

[Anonymous No.20733562]

>>20733283
> good medieval Latin
Any recommendations for good medieval prose? Preferably on the easier side, but I realize that this clashes with the follow Cicero part.

[Anonymous No.20733683]

>>20733562
I enjoyed Gesta Francorum and Vita Karoli Magni, fairly linear.

[Anonymous No.20733717]

>>20727427
no

[Anonymous No.20733830]

>>20733717
Yes?

[Anonymous No.20733850]

>>20733683
Thanks. I've been planning to read both of them, but good to know they're well written.

[Anonymous No.20733858]

>>20733830
no

[Anonymous No.20734252]

>Familia Romana chapter 8

[Anonymous No.20734302]

I started LLPSI. I supplement the readings with colloquia personarum and fabellae latinae and I supplement the pensa with the exercitia and nova exercitia. I write out full sentences when I do the exercises and I mark the long vowels. After I'm done with a chapter, I check out what the companion has to say about it.

If I'm doing something wrong, tell me.

[Anonymous No.20734311]

>>20734302
Ranieri's 7-step method™

[Anonymous No.20734393]

>>20734311
this would be funny is it was only a meme

[Anonymous No.20734890]

>>20734311
I'm more of an Arguelles® guy. Now that's a real polyglot.

[Anonymous No.20735499]

>>20734302
>>20734252
Study group anyone?

[Anonymous No.20735526]

>>20734890
you do your squats?

[Anonymous No.20735584]

>>20727466
Ω!, so Epictetus was an ἀνδράποδον;!

[Anonymous No.20735687]

How to you transliterate words/names into Latin syntax? Consonant endings in 3rd declension, the rest vowels?

[Anonymous No.20735723]

>>20727404
>ad nauseam

[Anonymous No.20736218]

[Anonymous No.20736356]

>>20727527
Because those are both quotes from Shakespeare you fucking black person

[Anonymous No.20736372]

>>20734890
>>20735526
Ahh, men of culture I see.

[Anonymous No.20736498]

Why the FUCK does Marcus cap so hard in LLPSI?

[Anonymous No.20736619]

>>20736498
If one of my children said cap unironically I think I might smack them. Absolute niggerspeak.

[Anonymous No.20736726]

>>20736619
No cap fr fr

[Anonymous No.20736934]

Are Plautus and Terence worth reading?

[Anonymous No.20736940]

>>20736934
how about you see for yourself, buddy?

[Anonymous No.20737352]

>Cuidam alii principi persuasit ut idem faceret.

I am still trying to figure out how the hell the community answer was:

>He persuaded this man to do the same for the other chiefs.

'Principi' is dative singular right?

[Anonymous No.20737463]

>>20736218
Yes no one ever spoke classical latin

[Anonymous No.20737539]

>>20737352
The translations seems wrong to me, it's just
> He persuaded a certain other chief to do the same.

[Anonymous No.20737581]

>>20737352
>community answer
what the fuck is that

[Anonymous No.20737601]

>>20735687
the best way is calques of course, stuff like Fischer -> Piscator, Bauer -> Agricola etc is based especially when it's uneccessary Greek like Schwarzerd -> Melanchthon or Neumann -> Neander (compounds sound nicer in Greek) so look up the etymology first
translate names if possible so like John, Ivan, Jean -> Johannes
patronymics I would render as genitive so Thompson -> Thomae, Jackson -> Jacobi
for place names, use the traditional Latin name if known, saying Irlandia instead of Hibernia is lame, lots of European places have one even if they were never roman like Hafnia, Cracovia or whatever
if the name already ends in -a,o,e or vowel+s just use the paradigm that fits
otherwise slap on a 1st or 2nd declension ending that kind of suggests the natural gender, 3rd declension -es is also a common ending for male names (Greek influence)
if all the above fails just leave it indeclinable, Vulgate has David and many other Hebrew names with no case endings for example, jesuits did this too with most Chinese names

[Anonymous No.20737696]

>>20735687
you don't. unless the name is already in latin you just write it normally.

[Anonymous No.20737870]

>>20736934
Yes. Both have a much more conversational tone to their works than other authors. Good sources for colloquial Latin.

[Anonymous No.20738020]

anyone else here who used to read/listen to Nuntii Latini when they were still broadcasting?

[Anonymous No.20738289]

>>20737870
>Good sources for colloquial Latin.
Interdasting.

[Anonymous No.20738606]

>>20738020
I listen to Radio Vaticana now. It's basically the same thing, just Ecclesiastical.

[Anonymous No.20738636]

>>20734890
have you used his "15 Minutes a Day" method? seems like it only works with Assimil.

[Anonymous No.20738654]

Have any of you ever read something about the Greek civilization being the most sculpture producing culture in mankind's history? There's a proper quote about it, but I can't find anything and I read it many years ago.

[Anonymous No.20739021]

>>20737539
Thats what I thought

>>20737581
A translation some guy uploaded to wikibooks of an exercise in a grammar.

Glad i'm not the only one who thought that was off.

[Anonymous No.20739479]

>>20727396
Latin has no native alternative to words like theologica.

[Anonymous No.20739664]

>>20739479
>θεολογεῖν
absolutely nefas
>Verum tamen hoc dico de toto genere Graecorum....testimoniorum religionem et fidem numquam ista natio coluit, totiusque huiusce rei quae sit vis, quae auctoritas, quod pondus, ignorant.

[Anonymous No.20740012]

I'm taking traditional latin classesin my university this semester. How do I complement it with LLPSI? I've heard about the Raineri's method but I think this is different because I'll be receiving classes from a teacher and will not be just self teaching.

[Anonymous No.20740050]

>>20740012
Just read it bro. Figure out what works for yourself.

[Anonymous No.20740493]

>>20739664
Wasn't religion for Roman just a collection of contractual rituals?

[Anonymous No.20740948]

>>20740493
that's kinda the joke, how Rome's relation to gods is stereotypically quite dry, practical and pious in that sense, not so much intellectual though, at least until they were heavily Hellenized

[Anonymous No.20741033]

Well, I took the greekpill. After having a beginner's level of Latin I'm now reading Gavin Bett's book. First chapter in and it's not as hard as I thought; I can read Cyrillic so reading Greek is just a few adjustments.

[Anonymous No.20741107]

>>20734890
Based. He's one of the only honest ones.

[Anonymous No.20741177]

>>20740012
Read Familia Romana and Colloquia Personarum as much as you can fit in each day
I'd suggest doing all the Exercitia as well

[Anonymous No.20741250]

I had a dream about Old English, I saw some manuscripts and one of them was on fire
Having woke up I've decided that Old English is not worth spending time learning

[Anonymous No.20742624]

>>20727396
Answer key for Wheelock's if anyone wants it
https://www.reddit.com/r/latin/comments/ly29t2/answer_key_for_workbook_for_wheelocks_latin/

[Anonymous No.20742625]

>>20742624

[Anonymous No.20742646]

>Classical Armenian word for 'mutter' is 'kʰrtʰmnjem'
Is this an onomatopoeia since it's fucking impossible to pronounce?

[Anonymous No.20742895]

>>20742646
Kurt-humnuhjem
Simple as

[Anonymous No.20743430]

>>20740012
Go talk to your instructor about Ranieri. They will not laugh at you because of their professionalism, but if they could laugh, they would. No one with any standing takes that hack seriously. Forget about Ranieri. Just do more vocab and more paradigms when you want to study more.

[Anonymous No.20743560]

What's your take on the bald guy's readings of LLPSI (the new ones)?

Might be my inexperience, but it seems artificial as fuck. He ignores the accent and still pronounces every long vowel too long. Not to mention that enunciating every word separately completely murders the rhythm. Pretty sure he occasionally gets some sounds wrong too.

[Anonymous No.20743589]

>>20743560
Everyone here loves to complain about him, but no one ever came up with a better recording, as expected. If don't even care if its LLPSI or some other work, but it needs to be complete, not just a couple of sentences here and there.

[Anonymous No.20743601]

>>20743560
It's very weird how he draaags the soooound of eaaach syylaaable for so long.
It's like each word has two or three tonic syllables.
I'm not sure if this is actually accurate, or if he's exaggerating for didactic purposes (somehow maintaining ellipses between words), but it sounds awkward as shit. You can respect vowel lengths without sounding like a complete spazz.
Being a Romance chad, this becomes doubly evident. It's not how people talk at all. He sounds closer to a Norwegian.

[Anonymous No.20743602]

>>20743589
I'm not saying I could do a better job. Might be that nobody can recite Latin well anymore. I'm just asking if I'm correct that it's not supposed to sound the way it sounds.

[Anonymous No.20743605]

>>20743601
>I'm not sure if this is actually accurate, or if he's exaggerating for didactic purposes
yeah that's precisely what I'm wondering about

[Anonymous No.20743644]

Homo calvus faciem stupratoris habet.
Risus eius semper incommodus me facet.
Immo non me placet ut videos suos inundent Youtubem cum videos super Latinitas ibi quaero. Discede, calvus!

[Anonymous No.20743698]

>>20743602
I mostly agree with >>20743601
> he's exaggerating for didactic purposes
He does at the beginning, but tones it down in later chapters. Unfortunately his acting also gets sillier.
> Being a Romance chad, this becomes doubly evident. It's not how people talk at all. He sounds closer to a Norwegian.
Latin spoken by Romance speakers sounds nice, but it often falls into the other extreme. There's a reason why people commonly think that Ecclesiastical (= Italian) pronunciation has no long vowels in unstressed syllables at all, which becomes a problem for classical poetry.

But generally, I wouldn't obsess too much about pronunciation. It's not like watching his videos makes you imitate him to every last detail, you'll rather automatically shorten the long vowels as much as required to sound like a human. Just internalize the structure of the words, not the exact length of the long and short vowels.

[Anonymous No.20743708]

>>20743601
>>20743605
He's stated that he does it on purpose in the comments and for this exact reason

[Anonymous No.20743768]

>>20743644
Aspera grammatica, fra.

[Anonymous No.20743850]

>>20743644
basus postus

[Anonymous No.20743959]

>>20743768
Asperus sum. Pugna me, fra

[Anonymous No.20744013]

>>20743959
> Asperus

[Anonymous No.20744220]

>>20744013
Asperus Pubicus Maximus sum. Nonne es oblectati??
O Anone, merdapostandum te salutat!

[Anonymous No.20744294]

>>20743708
This is just a cope. His understanding of what a long vowel should sound like seems to come from Japanese. If you listen to his recordings of Athenaze you'll hear that he has no idea what he is doing.

[Anonymous No.20744366]

>>20744294
Could you post a vocaroo? I want to hear someone who knows what he's doing since I can't find any valid references.

[Anonymous No.20744369]

>>20727396
What is the middle voice and why do pseuds keep saying Greek is based for having it? Is it truly the key to unlocking the power of das volk?

[Anonymous No.20744432]

>>20744366
I think Podium Arts gets pretty close what attic greek most likely sounded like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN5ltc7pK-U

[Anonymous No.20744454]

>>20744432
Sorry but I have some difficulties trusting the opinion of someone who can't prove he "knows what he's doing". Thanks for the resource anyway, I guess.

[Anonymous No.20744455]

>>20742646
The "r" and the first "m" are probably syllabic. That's the only way I can think of to make it pronounceable.

[Anonymous No.20744456]

>>20744369
>Is it truly the key to unlocking the power of das volk
Nah, anglos really hyped it up to be something extremely difficult

[Anonymous No.20744462]

>>20740012
The most important thing is to just read LLPSI and do the exercises.

[Anonymous No.20744465]

You can't pronounce the Classic Chinese. Sad part of it.

[Anonymous No.20744469]

>>20744294
Is there something wrong with Japanese vowel length? I genuinely didn't realize.

[Anonymous No.20744479]

>>20744369
It's not really that different from 'se' in Spanish, as in 'comerse', 'enojarse', 'quejarse'...

[Anonymous No.20744481]

>>20744465
At least the poetry is based on syllable count, so it still works. Right?

[Anonymous No.20744491]

>>20744465
What do you mean? You can use modern reading traditions as pretty much everyone does; you can also use reconstructions, though those of Old Chinese are much more uncertain compared to Middle Chinese.

[Anonymous No.20744504]

>>20744454
My native language is pretty big on vowel lengths so I'm quite sensitive to it. Not able to provide a vocaroo now though, sorry.
>>20744479
There is something wrong with transferring that knowledge to a language like ancient Greek. You can judge for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnkKZW_dAyg

[Anonymous No.20744505]

>>20744491
> you can also use reconstructions
How does this work? The don't simply map Mandarin syllables to reconstructed ones, right? They'd rather have to come up with a reconstruction for every Classical Chinese word. Is there a giant database of reconstructed pronunciations for every character somewhere?

[Anonymous No.20744509]

>>20744479
meant for >>20744469

[Anonymous No.20744514]

>>20744491
That would be like writing a book with Indo-European. A study done on reconstructing Latin from French, Spanish and Italian found that 20% of reconstructions were wrong. I can only imagine how much more of this would be.

[Anonymous No.20744515]

>>20744481
Well, sort of. A lot of medieval poetry is based on tone patterns that don't work in modern pronunciation. But the medieval pronunciation is a lot less uncertain than the ancient; we have books that basically lay out the phonemic system of medieval Chinese, it's only the exact phonetic values that you have to reconstruct.

[Anonymous No.20744539]

>>20744505
Basically, yes. For Middle Chinese we have rhyme dictionaries and other traditional philology that basically describes the phonemic system, it's only the exact phonetic realizations that are uncertain. This is the pronunciation that the phonetic annotations in classical commentaries are usually based on. For Old Chinese, the evidence is more fragmentary but includes phonetic components of characters, rhymes in poetry, modern descendants, loans to and from Old Chinese, and comparison to other Sino-Tibetan languages. Wiktionary lists two different reconstructions of the latter and several of the former; the Old Chinese reconstructions are often quite different from each other, but those of Middle Chinese basically look like different accents of one language (and some are more recent than others and based on better scholarship.)
>>20744514
For Middle Chinese much less so than on Old Chinese.
I'd be curious to see that study. For one thing, if they were restricting themselves to Spanish, French and Italian they're excluding some of the best data, e.g. from Sardinian and Romanian. For another, Classical Latin is not identical to the common ancestor of the Romance languages.

[Anonymous No.20744693]

>>20743560
>>20743589
>>20743601
>>20743602
I did a memorized reading of several Aeneid lines in meter. I even taught myself to sing it. I checked out a video of Ranieri reading some poetry. He completely ignored the meter. If you're going to be some faggot who thinks everyone is learning Latin wrong, except his students, you should be able to read in meter, especially with the tools out there these days.

[Anonymous No.20744744]

>>20744693
post audio or never happened

[Anonymous No.20744795]

bald man wins again...

[Anonymous No.20745060]

>>20744369
it was from the far past of time when IE didnt have the 'passive' yet. it only had 'active' (i do things unto something else) and 'mediopassive' (i do things and the result is unto me). the mediopassive is where the middle came from, same thing basically. later as languages developed the passive it started to be abandoned and diminished.

[Anonymous No.20745223]

>>20744795
vini, calvi, vici

[Anonymous No.20745854]

is '[thing] est meus' ever used over 'mihi [thing] est'

[Anonymous No.20745864]

>>20745854
Perhaps when you want to emphasize that it is, in fact, yours ([thing] est *meus*). The other is more gentle. I base it on my knowledge of another language with flexible word order, not on my knowledge of the minutiae of Latin style.

[Anonymous No.20746149]

>>20744456
>>20744479
>>20744504
>>20745060
I feel like you guys are underselling the vril potential of full-throated middle voice like you find in Attic Greek, not some degenerative mediopassive bullshit which you can find still find in English.

I'm onto you

[Anonymous No.20746222]

>>20746149
Strong Sapir-Whorf is not particularly well evidenced.

[Anonymous No.20746227]

>>20746149
Only one way to find out

[Anonymous No.20746230]

>>20746222
weak Sapir-Whorf is undeniable true. and efficiency defines habit. we lost the middle voice, we lost our vril

[Anonymous No.20746238]

>>20746227
yeah, you can tell me all you know, and when I'm satisfied with my understanding, I will leave this thread and never shit another one up with my autism again

[Anonymous No.20746684]

>>20744294
Which videos are you basing this on? Because as I said he's posted in the comments about how he's exaggerating his long vowels in order for the beginner student to hear them in his LLPSI vids
So what's the cope here?
If you watched his other videos you'd know that he doesn't speak or recite Latin like that

[Anonymous No.20746785]

>>20744795
the sad part is that he doesn't have any competition

[Anonymous No.20746876]

https://medium.com/in-medias-res/how-to-fake-it-till-you-make-it-scanning-plautine-verse-6ca3c23bc7e4
>Hence the first rule, which you already know from Virgil and Ovid: in Latin poetry, you disregard a word’s natural accent and pronounce it the way the verse forces you to
huh? I thought it was kinda the opposite, that the natural accent of the language together with the clever arrangement and choice of words creates the rhythm
I never found myself "mishearing" the rhythm in Virgil's Aeneid if I didn't accent a word in an unorthodox way

[Anonymous No.20748542]

bump

[Anonymous No.20748669]

Are translations bad if you're not reading poetry?

[Anonymous No.20748700]

>>20748669
Yes they are evil. All romans were stupid and knew nothing because they translated greek books into latin. Then all the arabs and jews were stupid translating them into hebrew and Arabic. Then medieval people in Europe were stupid translating them into latin again and all of them didn't understand anything because you cant understand something unless its in the original language.

[Anonymous No.20748878]

>>20748700
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.20748987]

Domino excubante, nec meum formidine Pectus movebunt agmina
Numerosa, nec si saeva feritas omnium Coniuret in me gentium.
Tu, Domine, in aciem ductor, ut me liberes, Prodibus, hostium omnium spacer
Malasque franges, impiorum et conteres
Dentes potenti dextera.

[Anonymous No.20749147]

>>20748700
Correct.

[Anonymous No.20749151]

How difficult is Hebrew compared to Greek?

[Anonymous No.20749156]

>>20749151
No one is fluent in either here

[Anonymous No.20749157]

>>20749151
The have a difficulty of 4.7 vs 4.2 in the Qurbert-Mestrlern scale
But other metrics may differ.

[Anonymous No.20749174]

>>20749151
I don't know Greek, but I posted a comparison with Latin some time ago, much of it should apply to Greek too:
> Grammatically, if you just look at the sizes of the declension/conjugation tables, Latin is much more complex than Hebrew. There's not even a subjunctive, for example!
> Binyanim, while making for impressive tables, is something that makes the language ultimately easier, because in IE languages, you'd have to learn different word stems instead: If "write", "engrave", "dictate" could be derived from a common root, English would have impressive tables as well.
> What makes BH harder is that, unless you speak some Semitic language, you'll know nearly zero cognates, so you'll have to put work in for every single root you add to your vocabulary.

> But one reason why it's hard to compare is external to the languages: Latin learners will want to read Cicero, Hebrew learners will want to read the Bible. And, ignoring the poetic books for now, there's just a huge gap in how fancy these texts are.
> LLPSI part 1 gives you almost 2000 words, adequate for starting to tackle easy authentic Latin. But if you know the 2000 most frequent Hebrew words, you're getting close to the endgame, because the remainder occurs 10 times or fewer in the Bible.
> (This point is moot if you only learn Latin to read the Vulgate, of course.)

> So, what I'm trying to say: if you were Chinese with no knowledge of English, but with access to Chinese resources for both Latin and Biblical Hebrew, then Biblical Hebrew would be far easier. But you're probably a native speaker of some European language, so you're very much not starting from zero in Latin.

[Anonymous No.20749266]

>>20749174
>a good answer on /clg/
what the fuck is happening
thanks, btw

[Anonymous No.20749475]

>>20748669
They're not inherently bad, but you should keep in mind it's someone else's interpretation and not the original. Comparing multiple translations can get you a slightly better idea.

[Anonymous No.20749497]

>>20749174
>If "write", "engrave", "dictate" could be derived from a common root, English would have impressive tables as well.
But don't a lot of of IE languages do just that? It's just that English is so mixed and often has unrelated words for related concepts that would probably be derived from a common root in other languages.

[Anonymous No.20749657]

>>20749497
I should have mentioned (like in the old post) that I'm still a beginner in Hebrew myself.

> But don't a lot of of IE languages do just that?
In my experience, not to that extent. Sure, in Latin you could say "scribere" and "inscribere". But there's tons of other intensifying prefixes: the choice of in- is arbitrary, so it just feels ad hoc.
It seems to be much more systematic in Hebrew, to the point where there's a single entry in the dictionary for each root only.
IE languages have something similar in the passive voice: English speakers would consider "to kill" and "to be killed" to be the same word, Latin speakers "interficio" and "interficior". Hebrew just generalizes this concept to more shades of meaning, pic related.

[Anonymous No.20749661]

>>20744369
>>20746149
middle voice is based

[Anonymous No.20749736]

>>20749657
Maybe I'm being influenced by Esperanto and mistakenly thinking European languages are more like it than they really are.

[Anonymous No.20749790]

>>20749736
shoo shoo troon

[Anonymous No.20749808]

>>20749790
Oh, shush. You guys take my contributions like anyone else's right up until I mention Esperanto.

[Anonymous No.20749908]

>>20749808
You're not the one talking about Hebrew and Latin.

[Anonymous No.20749926]

>>20749908
These comments are mine
>>20749497
>>20749475
>>20749475
>>20746222
>>20744539
>>20744515
>>20744491
>>20744479
>>20744469
>>20744462
>>20744455

[Anonymous No.20749940]

>>20749926
And proof.

[Anonymous No.20749976]

If anyone ever doubts that the esperanto troon shits up these threads just show the posts above. He prides himself on them despite showing his own ignorance on every topic aside from esperanto

[Anonymous No.20749984]

>>20749976
I think I'm unironically one of the more knowledgeable people here about Classical Chinese. If I'm not, feel free to point to counterexamples.

[Anonymous No.20749995]

>>20749808
>You guys take my contributions like anyone else's right up until I mention off-topic
wow I wonder why
Anyway, are you the same person who talked about methods to learn Latin, but didn't study or learn it, and said that was fluent in Spanish and wrote a couple of absolutely atrocious posts in that language?

[Anonymous No.20750013]

>>20749995
>>You guys take my contributions like anyone else's right up until I mention off-topic
Hey, it's not like I make the discussion about Esperanto primarily, I bring it up insofar as it's relevant to the discussion at hand. One's experience with one language can be relevant to other languages.
>Anyway, are you the same person who talked about methods to learn Latin, but didn't study or learn it
I've learned it to a basic level, but it's gotten a bit rusty. I keep meaning to pick it back up but there are so many other things I want to do. Most of my arguments are based on scientific research, though, to which my personal abilities are not particularly relevant.
>and said that was fluent in Spanish and wrote a couple of absolutely atrocious posts in that language?
I never claimed to be fluent in Spanish, only conversational. And that's rusty too; I spoke it better a couple years ago. I should get back to the idea of dedicating days where I only use the Internet in a certain language.

[Anonymous No.20750033]

>>20749976
The posts are fine, and the ones about Chinese welcome. Just stop taking the Esperanto bait already.

[Anonymous No.20750047]

>>20750033
shoo shoo troon

[Anonymous No.20750057]

>>20750047
Take your meds, I literally called it out as bait instead of defending it like >>20750013

[Anonymous No.20750060]

>>20750013
The lack of self-awareness is astonishing. I do believe this must be a troll because nobody can be so arrogant yet so dumb.

[Anonymous No.20750070]

>>20750060
Where am I being arrogant? I'm aware that my Latin is limited, I'm saying that my personal level of Latin is not relevant to the validity of scientific research on language acquisition.

[Anonymous No.20750107]

>>20750070
Should I take the bait? This is actually gr8 b8, good job m8. One of the best trolls I've seen in years.

[Anonymous No.20750120]

>>20750107
I'm not trolling and I genuinely don't understand why you think I am, though I understand citing scientific evidence is apparently unpopular around these parts.

[Anonymous No.20750144]

[Anonymous No.20750186]

>>20750120
Just try to actually learn Latin, you'll see by yourself.

[Anonymous No.20750198]

>>20750186
That's not an argument against the scientific evidence, which again is irrelevant to my specific abilities or experience.

[Anonymous No.20750406]

>ctrl+f "akkad"
>no results
>ctrl+alt+delete "sumer"
>no results
UUUUUUD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEA

[Anonymous No.20750639]

>>20750406
Try Lexicity for resources.

[Anonymous No.20750710]

>>20749926
>>20749940
Why are you like this?

[Anonymous No.20750727]

>>20750710
Like what?

[Anonymous No.20750833]

>>20750639
my friend, I already know 'em

[Anonymous No.20750853]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino_sine_flexione

[Anonymous No.20750862]

>>20750833
Sorry, figured it was better to mention it in case you didn't, or if anyone else reading the thread was curious about resources.

[Anonymous No.20750863]

>>20750853
It's literally just Italian kek
>Latino es lingua internationale in occidente de Europa ab tempore de imperio romano, per toto medio aevo, et in scientia usque ultimo seculo. Seculo vigesimo es primo que non habe lingua commune. Hodie quasi omne auctore scribe in proprio lingua nationale, id es in plure lingua neo-latino, in plure germanico, in plure slavo, in nipponico et alio. Tale multitudine de linguas in labores de interesse commune ad toto humanitate constitute magno obstaculo ad progressu.

[Anonymous No.20750866]

>>20750863
It's like Romance: Oops! All Learned Borrowings Edition.

[Anonymous No.20750877]

>>20750863
I wonder if something like this would actually be a good idea, separating "virtuous" Latin from "basic use" Latin to encourage acquisition of the latter as a starting point.

[Anonymous No.20750927]

>>20750862
>or if anyone else reading the thread was curious about resources
precisely why I'm here. dumping:

>core
>Cuneiform sign list (free pdf available, google "ksaskova sign list"
http://home.zcu.cz/~ksaskova/Sign_List.html
>ePSD sumerian (sumerograms, akkadian translations)
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/nepsd-frame.html
>Babylonian Verb Conjugator (also has sumerian, I can confirm the BVC is perfectly correct)
http://www.gilgamesh.ch/bvc/bvc.html?&stem=G&verbpattern=3&verbrootx=par%C4%81sum
>online akkadian dictionary (based off the assyrian dialect; an incomplete rendition of the Concise Dictionary of Akkadian, never to be relied on solely but good for quick searches)
http://www.assyrianlanguages.org/akkadian/search.php
>cuneify (latin to cuneiform output)
cuneify.herokuapp.com

>grammar
check academia.edu for huehnergard's akkadian grammar. Be warned, he is insane and requires you to learn cursive babylonian signs first. start with neo-assyrian signs (like in ksaskova)
foxvog's sumerian grammar is decent and available online in pdf form

>literature
>etcsl (sumerian text corpus with transliterations, very useful)
https://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/
>oracc (akkadian texts, lists, royal correspondence - expect later era texts and grammar, especially in assyrian texts. annotations are great and an immense help)
http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/

[Anonymous No.20751051]

>>20750877
Encourage ebonics as a starting point for human English

[Anonymous No.20751062]

>>20750853
>>20750863
And still maybe the only constructed language with a worthwhile original work written in (other than maybe the stuff Tolkien wrote in his languages).

[Anonymous No.20751125]

>>20751062
What work is that?

[Anonymous No.20751152]

>>20751125
Arithmetices principia, nova methodo exposita

[Anonymous No.20751201]

>>20751152
And you consider that more worthwhile than any of the original works in Esperanto? All of Auld and Baghy and Kalocsay and Boulton and Piĉ and Schwartz and Rosetti and...

[Anonymous No.20751217]

>>20751201
Yes.

(But he should have written it in a normal language, Latin or Italian.)

[Anonymous No.20751237]

>>20751217
Would you mind sharing a link to this text so we can judge its quality for ourselves?

[Anonymous No.20751252]

>>20751237
A scan is linked on its Wikipedia page:
https://archive.org/details/arithmeticespri00peangoog

[Anonymous No.20751299]

>>20751237
>>20751252
Oh shit, but I see now that it's just in regular Latin and he only wrote his later works sine flexione.

[Anonymous No.20751534]

"GRAMMARNIGGERS could be here" he thought, "I`ve never been in this blog before. There could be GRAMMARNIGGERS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his muscular chest. "I HATE GRAMMARNIGGERS" he thought. "Clueless White Guy Orders in Perfect Chinese, Shocks Patrons and Staff" reverberated his entire room, making it pulsate even as the 100$ Matt vs Japan Pitch accent course circulated through his powerful thick synapses and washed away his (merited) fear of kanjis after dark. "With an Anki Deck, you can learn whatever you want." he thought to himself out loud.

[Anonymous No.20751566]

>>20751534
>No don't study languages as they were studied for the past 3000 years ack-

[Anonymous No.20751585]

>>20750833
i like sumerian (or whatever it is) wojacks

[Anonymous No.20751620]

What's a good book to pick up if I just wanna learn enough Greek to read the new testament and I don't give a fuck about any other Greek texts?

[Anonymous No.20751636]

"INPOOTNIGGERS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this general before. There could be INPOOTNIGGERS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his muscular chest. "I HATE INPOOTNIGGERS" he thought. "Clueless White Bald Guy Orders in Perfect Latin, Shocks Patrons and Staff" reverberated his entire room, making it pulsate even as the 100$ Latin by the Dowling-Ranieri method course circulated through his powerful thick synapses and washed away his (merited) fear of ablatives after dark. "With a Wheelock's Latin, you can translate whatever you want." he thought to himself out loud.

[Anonymous No.20751677]

>>20751620
https://seumasjeltzz.github.io/LinguaeGraecaePerSeIllustrata/
This is a graded reader for Koine Greek aka new testament Greek

http://bakerpublishinggroup.com/books/reading-koine-greek/326720
This book combines both reading with grammar, can get on libgen if poorfag

[Anonymous No.20751683]

>>20751620
all the good materials are in attic

[Anonymous No.20751704]

>>20751620
>just wanna learn enough Greek to read the new testament
Waste of time desu

[Anonymous No.20751732]

>>20727686

The people who say medieval Latin is easy haven't read much medieval Latin. Something like De Planctu Naturae is harder than any of the "canonical" Latin texts.

There were different registers and styles of medieval Latin, not to mention different periods, geography, genres, etc. Some medieval Latin is pretty much the same as classical, some is very basic and heavily influenced by romance languages, and some is completely bizarre and goes out of its way to be difficult, like the authors that represent the so-called "hermaphroditic style".

Very ignorant to paint medieval Latin with one brush based on looking at a handful of things (scholastic stuff, chronicles, hagiographies, etc).

[Anonymous No.20751778]

Since the lipsi read along didn't work, would someone be interested in doing the same but reading the Vulgate instead? The difficulty of the New Testament is not that high and doesn't increase like lipsi does.

[Anonymous No.20752012]

>>20751566
The idea that languages have been taught for 3000 years how they were in 19th century Prussian schools isn't true at all, though.

[Anonymous No.20752047]

>>20751620
http://www.drshirley.org/greek/textbook02/contents.html

[Anonymous No.20752059]

>>20751732
Is there a good archive of medieval Latin text? Perseus doesn't seem to have much outside of the classical era.

Also, what is your favorite medieval text?

[Anonymous No.20752074]

>>20752059
https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/Categoria:Latinitas_Mediaevalis

Pick a century and go crazy. You can also download the text as an epub and read it on a tablet

[Anonymous No.20752092]

>>20751051
The correct analogy would be if English were taught to ESLs via 18th century belles lettres.

[Anonymous No.20752103]

>>20752012
just let him regurgitate his favorite e-celeb's top ten things he wish he would've known before learning a language list in peace

[Anonymous No.20752112]

>>20752092
>just watch tv shows in latin bro
>just talk with natives in latin bro

[Anonymous No.20752128]

>>20752112
Huh? I'm saying that it's an interesting idea to teach Latin as a lingua franca again by emphasizing a solid base of composition skill that is more focused on communicating than communicating elegantly (at first).

The obvious end goal would be to create a community of people who read and write "basic" Latin well, which would encourage them to use it more, which would then organically create the conditions for more elegant Latin, maybe even a Latin renaissance.

I'm not advocating for input/LLPSI methods, I said nothing about either. I said, do you think making a distinction between functional + fancy Latin would make laypeople more likely to take the plunge and learn it as a lingua franca.

[Anonymous No.20752339]

>>20752128
well, the first step is to learn Latin ourselves

[Anonymous No.20752344]

>>20751677
>>20752047
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.20752466]

>>20746230
>vril
The race of white people, maybe giants, in Antarctica?

[Anonymous No.20752490]

>>20750013
If I learn Esperanto, will I chop my dick off, or will I become a globalist, like George Soros? Does it depend on the person, or is it one of those "you don't know till you try it" things?

[Anonymous No.20752501]

>>20750406
If you learn either language, please post resources here.
t. Ethiopianon / Semitic Mega Chad

P.S. I had two friends tell me that Mega is filled with pedos and childporn. I haven't heard of that before. Have you guys?

[Anonymous No.20752504]

>>20752490
You will likely remain much as you are, though interacting with people from other countries on a neutral basis formed by a neutral language may expose you to new ideas and perspectives. There aren't really all that many trans people in my experience; out of a few hundred people I've met I could only name one or two. And I don't understand why people keep making 'chop your dick off' jokes when I don't even want bottom surgery. (Never mind that most of the material is kept, just rearranged.)

[Anonymous No.20752543]

>>20752504
>he calls it "material"
>he thinks it's ok because the "material" is merely rearranged

[Anonymous No.20752563]

>>20752543
Hey, I'm aware it's a pretty drastic measure, but for some people with sufficiently severe dysphoria it may be the only option. I'm glad I'm not one of them.

[Anonymous No.20752830]

In what order should I read these:
Iliad/Odyssey
Ovid Metamorphoses
Plays by Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides etc.

[Anonymous No.20752862]

>>20752830
Hesiod if you've never read Greek literature
Iliad
Odyssey
Plays
Metamorphoses

[Anonymous No.20753420]

>>20751778
I would be interested for sure

[Anonymous No.20753623]

>>20752059
https://www.hs-augsburg.de/~harsch/a_chron.html
here you go lad

[Anonymous No.20753736]

>>20752012
Is this adhd combined with autism?

[Anonymous No.20754002]

>>20727396
is there an alternative to LLPSI for self-studying?

[Anonymous No.20754036]

>>20754002
no. you HAVE to use LLPSI.

[Anonymous No.20754271]

>>20754002
Latin: An Intensive Course supplemented with as many readers as you can get a hold of. Try on Archive.org search "latin reader" and you'll find a bunch. You can alternatively use Wheelock's Latin if you find the Intensive Course book to be too difficult, too expensive, or difficult to find. It's not as good, but still works fine.

If what you mean is something like LLPSI that isn't LLPSI, then I guess try Reading Latin by Sidwell & Jones. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.20754289]

>>20751566
Why learn Latin the same way that John Milton & Thomas Jefferson learned it when you can learn the same way my favorite e-celeb claimed to learn it after 7 or 8 years of Italian experience as well as having lived in Naples for a time?

[Anonymous No.20754297]

I'm kind of intellectually shrinking since I started studying Latin and Greek. Before this I read almost the whole Greek canon in translation, but in the last 2 years or so I was spending most of my time with Dikaiopolis and Marcus. My reading speed is picking up to where I can read about 15 pages of original Greek prose a day but I feel like there's a long way to go where I can actually seriously start studying those texts again, because I'm completely depriving myself of translations out of pride. Anyone else experiencing this?

[Anonymous No.20754301]

>>20754297
Nobody here can actually read any of those languages.

[Anonymous No.20754361]

>>20754297
te sentio fratre

pic non rel

[Anonymous No.20754514]

>>20754297
anon discovers that reading things in their original languages doesn't actually make you understand things better

[Anonymous No.20754537]

>>20754289
because I speak Italian better that him

[Anonymous No.20754750]

>>20754289
/clg/ actually thinks this as well. Loads of them also have invented some myth that people never used grammar to learn languages until the 1800s as well.

[Anonymous No.20755028]

Is Mare Liberum by Hugo Grotius an easy read?

CAPVT I: Iure gentium quibusvis ad quosvis liberam esse navigationem
Propositum est nobis breviter ac dilucide demonstrare ius esse Batavis, hoc est, Ordinum Foederatorum Belgico-Germaniae subditis ad Indos, ita uti navigant navigare, cumque ipsis commercia colere. Fundamentum struemus hanc iuris gentium, quod primarium vocant regulam certissimam, cuius perspicua atque immutabilis est ratio; licere cuivis genti quamvis alteram adire, cumque ea negotiari.

Deus hoc ipse naturam loquitur, cum ea cuncta quibus vita indiget, omnibus locis suppeditari a natura non vult: artibus etiam aliis alias gentes dat excellere. Quo ista, nisi quod voluit mutua egestate et copia humanas foveri amicitias, ne singuli se putantes sibi ipsis sufficere, hoc ipso redderentur insociabiles? Nunc factum est ut gens altera alterius suppleret inopiam, divinae iustitiae instituto, ut eo modo (sicut Plinius dicit) quod genitum esset uspiam, apud omnes natum videretur.
Poetas itaque canentes audimus:
Nec vero terrae ferre omnes omnia possunt.
Item:
Excudent alii,

et quae sequuntur. Hoc igitur qui tollunt, illam laudatissimam tollunt humani generis societatem, tollunt mutuas benefaciendi occasiones, naturam denique ipsam violant. Nam et ille quem Deus terris circumfudit Oceanus, undique et undique versus navigabilis, et ventorum stati aut extraordinarii flatus, non ab eadem semper, et a nulla non aliquando regione spirantes, nonne significant satis concessum a natura cunctis gentibus ad cunctas aditum? Hoc Seneca summum Naturae beneficium putat, quod et vento gentes locis dissipatas miscuit, et sua omnia in regiones ita descripsit, ut necessarium mortalibus esset inter ipsos commercium. Hoc igitur ius ad cunctas gentes aequaliter pertinet: quod clarissimi Iurisconsulti eo usque producunt, ut negent ullam rempublicam aut Principem prohibere in universum posse, quo minus alii ad subditos suos accedant, et cum illis negotientur.
Hinc ius descendit hospitale sanctissimum: hinc querelae:

Quod genus hoc hominum? quaeve hunc tam
barbara morem
Permittit patria? hospitio prohibemur harenae.

Et alibi
. . . . . litusque rogamus
Innocuum et cunctis undamque auramque patentem.

[Anonymous No.20755137]

>>20755028
based on that yes, it is straightforward and fairly simple.

[Anonymous No.20755463]

>>20753736
That's not an argument.

[Anonymous No.20755472]

>>20754750
There's a difference between 'grammar instruction was involved' and 'they were taught in the same manner as 19th-century Prussian schoolchildren to break down the sentence's grammar and decipher it into their L1 in lieu of understanding the original'.

[Anonymous No.20755487]

>>20755463
Freedom Radio

[Anonymous No.20755500]

>>20755487
What? You're making no sense.

[Anonymous No.20755516]

>>20755500
not an argument

[Anonymous No.20755524]

>>20755516
No, it's not an argument, it's a statement that I can't understand what you're trying to say.

[Anonymous No.20755557]

>>20755137
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.20757046]

>page 10

[Anonymous No.20757539]

Legere et scribere linguam Latinam possum, quamquam nulla opera magna scire possum. Haec sententia mala est.

[Anonymous No.20757711]

>>20757539
Praemium in discendo ipso est.

[Anonymous No.20759323]

I will single handedly handedly save this thread. So, what regulars do we have here? There's Ethiopianon, of course; Esperanto Tranny is always lurking in the shadows; the LLPSI read along poster is still here I'm sure. There's that one anon who actually knows and posts in ancient Greek. My mind draws a blank on others. I'm Jack, btw :)

[Anonymous No.20759359]

>>20759323
You forgot me, I'm the guy that lists the numbered questions.

I stopped posting because no one here actually knows any classical languages outside of Latin and Greek, so my questions about Sanskrit, Syriac, & Coptic etc usually go unanswered. I quit Latin for now, I'm learning modern languages for a while. People are far less autistic and more helpful.

This place was just a depressing distraction and think the slower threads are just evidence that other people are also realizing this.

[Anonymous No.20759549]

>>20759359
Bombarding the thread with banal questions was not as good a way to keep the discussion alive as you seem to think. People didn't respond to your questions, not because nobody here knows classical languages, but because everyone found you annoying.
A lot of people want to treat this general like it's textkit or reddit but I'd rather see more sneedposting in greek than fighting about LLPSI.
Good luck with your language learning though, I hope you return to Latin some day.

[Anonymous No.20759555]

>>20755472
You are an adhd autist freak allergic to work

[Anonymous No.20759559]

>>20759549
>Bombarding the thread with banal questions was not as good a way to keep the discussion alive as you seem to think.
If you actually paid attention, then you would know I didn't do that when the thread was dying to "keep it alive", I did it to break up arguments and it largely world by resetting the thread. The problem was it didn't get as much interaction because people didn't have anything interesting to say, which pretty much sums up these threads.
> everyone found you annoying.
Random ad hominem for no reason.
>A lot of people want to treat this general like it's textkit or reddit but I'd rather see more sneedposting in greek than fighting about LLPSI.
I was trying to derail senseless tranny arguments about "what is a woman" and "is esperano a classical language". You are seriously over-psychoanalyzing me when I'm consistently one of the 4 or 5 people in these threads that actually talks about classical languages. But because I'm not doing it the way you want me to, I'm "annoying".

Fuck you, I don't want your good luck wishes. I'm out.

[Anonymous No.20759576]

>>20759323
There's probably a couple of regulars like me, who are not distinctive enough to even self-identify. I'm >>20749174

>>20759359
> This place was just a depressing distraction and think the slower threads are just evidence that other people are also realizing this.
Yeah, the latest round of pointless bickering about teaching methodologies was the last straw for me. I'm not giving up any language, but one can't even shitpost in this thread without someone sperging out about pidgin Latin. There seem to be more people capable of writing Latin in /int/'s /lang/ than here.

[Anonymous No.20759757]

>>20759576
I'm not quitting any language either, but I'm definitely taking a break from studying for a while. /lit/ has become so toxic in general with an influx of immigrants from everywhere from /co/ to /pol/. It's just a bunch of shitposting kids who wanna frog post and fight about textbooks. This is left such a bad taste in my mouth for classical languages, that I really have to question the company that I am in. If this is a community of like-minded people, then I must not be well and I probably need to get my shit together ASAP.

[Anonymous No.20759784]

>>20759323
I recognize pic rel.

I updated the Semitic Mega yesterday based on an anon's post about Akkadian and Sumerian. More updates to come.
t. Ethiopianon

[Anonymous No.20759839]

>>20759784
You're learning Ge'ez right? How's that going for you?

[Anonymous No.20760033]

>>20759839
Yes, I am still studying Ge'ez, but the grammar course has been completed. I'm now in a reading group hosted by the instructor. Yesterday, we finished a short reading of Jubilees; Monday, we will be reading Jonah from a manuscript, which I'm looking forward to. Apparently, Jonah is the number one book in the Bible for Ethiopians, not Enoch nor Jubilees.
I was told at the beginning of the class that Ge'ez is an easy language, and while I am very far from mastering it, I am beginning to agree with that statement after spending many hours grinding through it. The one caveat is that Ge'ez is as starved for resources as Ethiopia is literally, which ends up making Ge'ez much harder in practical terms. That means there are massive opportunities for enterprising scholars.

[Anonymous No.20760069]

>>20759359
If you have any questions about Classical Chinese I'm willing to try to answer them.

[Anonymous No.20760071]

>>20759559
For the sake of setting the record straight I should say I never claimed Esperanto is a classical language. I don't think I ever would claim that. What I did claim is that experience learning one language can be relevant to another.

[Anonymous No.20760211]

>>20760069
In terms of raw sneedposting potential (RSP), how does it compare to other classical languages?

[Anonymous No.20760259]

>>20760211
I'm not sure how to measure that. I can tell you I've translated the Navy SEAL Copypasta into it, and proceeded to be shown up by a much better translation done by someone else.

[Anonymous No.20760270]

>>20760259
Post it
Quidnam dixisti modo mihi, cinaedule? Ego te certiorem faciam me exiisse e Phocis Classiariis optimum meae ordinis et in frequentibus incursionibus occultis contra Al-Qaeda expertum esse, et plusquam trecentas caedes probatas habere. In bello guerilla educatus sum et ego sum optimus ictor in totis UC viribus armatis. Tu es nil mihi praeterquam aliud destinatum. Ego te, scelus, conteram adamussim ut numquam usquam visum est in orbe terrarum, annota mea, catamite, verba. Arbitrarisne te posse illas contumelias dicere impune per interrete? Iterum arbitrare, nequam. Etiam cum colloquimur advoco meum secretum rete curiosorum per totas UCA et tuum IP excipitur, iamiamque ita potius est te parari procellae, vermis. Procella quae omnino perdit illud miserandulum quod tu tuam vitam nominas. Per deos immortales tu es mortuus, puercule. Ubivis, quandoque esse ego possum et novi te trucidare pluribus quam septingentis modis - et illis meis manibus solum. Non solum sum educatus plurifariam in proeliis inarmatis sed usu ego fruor toti armentarii Unitarum Civitatum Marini Corporis et eo utar effuse ut detergam tuum miserum os de facie telluris, caenulum. Si novisses quam defamatam ultionem "callidum" tuum dictum inlaturum esse fortasse retinuisses tuam linguam. Sed non poteras, non fecisti, et nunc poenas solvis, fatue miselle. Ego furiam cacabo super te totum et tu in illa merges. Per deos immortales tu es mortuus, puercule.

[Anonymous No.20760283]

>>20760270
Finally 6 months of learning Latin has paid off

[Anonymous No.20760296]

>>20760270
This is my translation, with some minor corrections by another person:
汝何言哉小犬吾使汝知吾班頂海豹而卒業數秘攻基驗殺三百被練猩戰美軍狙兵頂也汝的耳吾為汝滅天下未嘗有縝此言以為可乎當更考之吾今方聯全美諜網網址見踪將飆此飆滅汝所生亦必死矣吾無不在誅汝方七百以上手也既習拳亦可以悉陸戰兵庫以滅汝若知此言將引可默然今不默為其反吾乃汝怒而溺焉亦必死矣
And here's the other, much better, culturally adapted version:
匹夫出言何其無禮若茲?殊不知,乃公為本朝名將,今上信臣也。嘗奉君命,百征戎狄之寇,千剿蠻夷之匪;社稷大事,國家機密,吾皆知之;立功之大,譬如泰山。我乃武舉狀元,深諳九變之利,明瞭八卦之陣,孰習騎射之術;功力蓋世,天下諸士,莫我能敵;所斬賊首,豈止千百!爾於我,如刀下草介耳矣。
利哉!殛爾之術,世所未嘗睹也!爾孰記之!謬哉!爾之以予為可辱而能免也。吾手下死士數百人,分駐四方各地,為我耳目。女之行止出入,焉能瞞我!爾命在旦夕,無時不危,靡處不殆。古人有云:「天網恢恢,疏而不漏」其我之謂也已!蛆蠅之輩!爾且備吾滅爾之勢!是勢也者,能賽猛虎惡狼,勝似飆風湧潮,乃至山崩地坼,亦為不及也。雖虎兕豹象,尚為所殲,況爾犬彘之流哉!
吾戕女之法,若殺若剮,若烹若宰,若坑若醢,共九九八十一術;赤手尚然,況以兵乎?禁軍干戈之器,悉我所有,羽林兵馬之眾,惟予是從;將以斃女,爾馬糞狗矢之屬,雖有烏獲之力,賁育之勇,騏驥之馬,管商之謀,孫吳之略,孔明之智,以求生路,其能諸?四海之内,豈有容爾之處!
初,爾以村鄙匹夫之智而出是狂妄不遜之言,今知命之將盡而莫能救者也,何悔之晚邪?「早知今日,何必當初?」然爾未之能知,未之能止。詩云:「人而無止,不死何俟」爾之謂也。我之怒爾也,若淹女於溺矢之下。豎子!爾命休矣已!

[Anonymous No.20760306]

>>20760296
Oh, yes, and someone else came up with this, but it's not really in Classical Chinese, just olde-timey-sounding Mandarin.
你這廝小犬言甚麽?我釋你知,我這:
畢海軍校佔鰲頭,沙賊群受我萬擊
由我亡者過三百,猩戰狙擊都無敵
你這廝,成我臬,槍向你百發百中
我彈準,破你命,我攻全球曾未見
網上駡我預無害?你這臭獸必改思
我對盟間諜求助,尋你這廝蛆住所
必備風,必備雨,暴風狂颳毀你命
我無所,不可在,東西南北都殺你
知七百赤手殺法,手脚戰功我都會
為洲上抹你屁蹤,美軍萬器都可用
若你早知你巧論,造甚麽焚如之禍
你早休舌避萬難,你卻學禍從口出
我怒中你淹無救,這廝小童命已休。

[Anonymous No.20760363]

>>20760270
> guerilla
Quid correxisti ridiculum mendum pristinum? "simiae" verbo vel simile uti oportet.

[Anonymous No.20760617]

R-Ranieri bros?

[Anonymous No.20760690]

>>20760296
大笑矣,名作也。

[Anonymous No.20760893]

>>20759784
God's work anon
t. that anon

[Anonymous No.20760987]

>>20760690
宜乎哉!

[Anonymous No.20760995]

>>20760270
>>20760296
and they say /clg/ is dead

[Anonymous No.20762406]

>>20760617
pbuh

[Anonymous No.20762966]

if writing things down by hand is meant to help with forming ideas and memorisation, would copying out each chapter of LLPSI by hand be helpful before moving onto the next one?

[Anonymous No.20762983]

>>20727427
How come learning greek is so hard, nobody told me it was its own branch of indoeuropean, why didn't the romans invade them and fuck their asses so they would all come out latinx like the rest of us? Wtf is even this: βλέπω?

[Anonymous No.20762997]

>>20762983
How do I learn bros? The reading greek that appears on a strt w greeks chart didn't help.

[Anonymous No.20763004]

>>20762966
Yeah I do that on my 3rd and last read. 1st time I read it silently, 2nd time read it out loud, 3rd time write it out by hand.

I don't listen to those dogshit audios available online. Everyone who has ever used them and recommended them sounds like a typical GED burger ordering Mexican food in a drive-thru. I don't recommend using audio from anyone outside of Italy, Spain, Portugal, or Latin-America. I used to use these audios from Americans and I eventually realized it was making me sound worse. If you insist on using audio for a dead language, at least get as close to a native speaker as you can with living descendants who speak a related language natively.

[Anonymous No.20763048]

>>20762997
Try Athenaze.

[Anonymous No.20763066]

>>20763048
What is that

[Anonymous No.20763078]

>>20763066
A textbook. You should be able to find it on libgen.

[Anonymous No.20763082]

>>20763066
basically Greek version of LLPSI
most suggest the Italian version if you can, supposedly richer than the anglo one(I say supposedly because I haven't tried the anglo version)
I used it and thoroughly enjoyed it, though already knowing Latin helped certainly, not sure how it would feel from 0

[Anonymous No.20763115]

>>20763078
Thank you man, I will. A. M. I. G.

[Anonymous No.20763123]

>>20763082
Cool, thank you, latin isn't hard, I'm a Spaniard.

[Anonymous No.20763127]

>>20763115
O fuck I am completely retarded

[Anonymous No.20763893]

rate my stack /clg/ bros

[Anonymous No.20763899]

>>20763123
>latin isn't hard, I'm a Spaniard
why are Spaniards so retarded

[Anonymous No.20763901]

>>20763893
Good stack.
That dictionary will do but it is the weak point of your stack. Get one that has quotations and references to authentic works. Cassell's is superior and fairly cheap, also Lewis & Short

[Anonymous No.20763904]

>>20763901
yeah that dictionary was like $7 and I only picked it up cuz I saw I saw the price and it has a little English to latin section in the back which I thought was neat.
I'll check around for Cassell's thanks

[Anonymous No.20764132]

>>20763893
Bound in duct tape

Quid?

[Anonymous No.20764148]

>>20763082
Have you read both volumes? How's your Greek after reading them? I went the grammar translation route for 6 months and after that I got the first volume of the Italian Athenaze. Currently at chapter 8. Only now I feel like I'm starting to understand Greek.

[Anonymous No.20764263]

>Spatium pila in hostis coniciendi breve fuit.

Something like: the space for(of) throwing javelins at the enemy was short?

[Anonymous No.20764269]

>>20764132
I got those two off Amazon and the quality of the binding was absolute dogshit like to the point where I hated touching them. The paper itself is shit too but passable cuz you can't really fuck up paper but the covers were like...sticky but covered in shit that wouldn't come off. I tried wiping them down with rubbing alcohol which helped a bit but they still felt terrible and I realized "Hey wait I own these fucking books and they're not worth anything to resell and I got them for less than $20 I'm going to just fucking put duct tape on them so I don't have to deal with these disgusting feeling covers" So I sat down and did it. Took my time a bit more with metamorphoses which actually turned out half decent, Caesar I kinda rushed and the tape has blobs on the side and top but I don't think it'll really matter and even if it does start peeling or something I can just re-do it

[Anonymous No.20764317]

>>20764269
>"this book is sold subject to the condition that it shall not, by way of trade or otherwise, be lent, re-sold, hired out or otherwise circulated without the publisher's prior consent in any form of binding or cover other than that in which it is published and without a similar condition being imposed on the subsequent putchaser."

Definitely can't resell them now. Good job though.

[Anonymous No.20764359]

>>20764269
I like the duct tape. On the spines of the first picture, your writing looks great. I didn't realize they were duct taped until someone pointed it out. I thought it was the typical Greek font for English, like pic rel.

[Anonymous No.20764458]

>>20764269
just curious, what editions are they? publisher, etc.

[Anonymous No.20764467]

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[Anonymous No.20764958]

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