Is this legit? Or there is a better Norse mythology audiobook that I can listen to in my jogs? I would also be thankful if you guys recommended an audiobook on Greek and roman mythology.

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Anonymous Sat Jul 23 20:19:00 2022 No.20724664 [Reply] [Original]

Is this legit? Or there is a better Norse mythology audiobook that I can listen to in my jogs?
I would also be thankful if you guys recommended an audiobook on Greek and roman mythology.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 23 20:22:50 2022 No.20724686 >>20724664 Why not just listen to the Eddas? They're our main source for Norse mythology.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 23 20:31:34 2022 No.20724724 It's pretty good. I listened to it on a vacation/road trip around Iceland. The origin stories are a bit slow but then it livens up. The voice actor was good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 23 20:37:27 2022 No.20724750 >>20724664 The introduction is already pretty cringe. He knew Thor because of Marvel comics lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 23 20:41:16 2022 No.20724771 >>20724664 Just read it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 23 20:43:10 2022 No.20724780 >>20724664 >or there is a better Please, I know you’re esl, so just learn from this experience. It’s “or is there a better” Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 23 20:48:32 2022 No.20724805 >>20724724 Thank you. >>20724771 Difficult thing to do while running. >>20724780 Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 23 21:01:59 2022 No.20724874 >>20724780 You should be more aggressive towards the negroes ruining your language with their disgusting ebonics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 23 21:15:13 2022 No.20724924 >>20724874 Like the barbarians who ruined Latin and turned it into French and Spanish and Italian? I don't hear anyone insisting that you must say "ego sum" instead of "yo onions" in the modern day.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 01:22:36 2022 No.20725903 >>20724664 It’s decent, the way it chronologizes Norse mythology is enjoyable

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 01:32:13 2022 No.20725926 >>20724664 Edith Hamilton's Mythology for Greek and Roman

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 01:55:15 2022 No.20725998 >>20724924 That's because they didn't ruin it. They evolved it. Negroes are devolving the English language.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 01:55:57 2022 No.20726003 >>20725998 How do you determine or measure whether a given language change is an evolution or a devolution?

Anonymous Sun Jul 24 08:10:12 2022 No.20727146

>>20724664
I read this after a long depression and reading drought. It's fun and lightheaded with just enough wistfulness and a tiny bit of melancholy that made it perfect after not reading anything for almost 2 years. Can't comment on the audiobook however. It's a good read.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 11:44:59 2022 No.20727629 >>20724664 It's not my favorite renditions of any of the tales, but listening to Neil Gaiman read it was a treat nonetheless.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 13:44:32 2022 No.20728009 >>20726003 I notice that they never responded. Maybe that's because they don't have an answer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 13:51:39 2022 No.20728033 >>20724686 >Eddas Who?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 13:55:50 2022 No.20728044 >>20728033 The Eddas, our main surviving source for Norse mythology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edda

Anonymous Sun Jul 24 17:47:00 2022 No.20729172

>>20724664
I've recently been listening to audiobooks to overcome my active lifestyle that doesn't allow the ability to read more than 2 books a year. What are your audiobook site recommendations? I've found some goodies on spotify but it is hit or miss.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 17:49:32 2022 No.20729184 >>20729172 Honestly, LibriVox is actually pretty good, though the quality can be a little hit or miss. If you don't mind pirating, r/piracy's wiki has a section for audiobooks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 17:51:47 2022 No.20729197 >>20724664 Neil Gaiman is an excellent source on ancient mythologies. It's literally all that he can write, stories and characters that were already written thousands of years ago.

Anonymous Sun Jul 24 17:58:09 2022 No.20729243

>>20726003
Evolution is just change, it doesn't mean "better". If a devolution is a change that makes a thing inferior, then a change that makes a thing superior would be something like an advolution. All languages are caught in a tug-of-war between ease of perception and ease of production. Thus, something like an advolution would be Modern English's grammatical word orderings (for example adopting VSO or VO in questions or imperatives respectively). Meanwhile, a devolution would be something like dropping the grammatical auxiliary and particle system (like combining "I have eaten", "I'd eaten", "I have already eaten", "I had eaten [when/but/if]", "I was eating" into just "I ate"), or worse, introducing convoluted or nonsensical personal grammatical constructions with nonce words ("I will eat" = "I habs bes boutta finna gonna be boutta eat").

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 17:58:30 2022 No.20729250 >>20729184 >LibriVox Thanks friend, I just downloaded LibriVox's app, looks super sick! Can't wait to try it out tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 18:07:00 2022 No.20729306 >>20729243 AAVE actually distinguishes more tenses/aspects than Standard English. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Vernacular_English#Tense_and_aspect

Anonymous Sun Jul 24 18:08:41 2022 No.20729315

>>20729243
>Meanwhile, a devolution would be something like dropping the grammatical auxiliary and particle system (like combining "I have eaten", "I'd eaten", "I have already eaten", "I had eaten [when/but/if]", "I was eating" into just "I ate")
Isn't it arguably inefficient to make a distinction mandatory if it's usually obvious by context and can be specified when needed?

Anonymous Sun Jul 24 18:23:39 2022 No.20729388

>>20729315

>>20729306
No, it doesn't. The charts cited are not based on population studies, they're based on a single Negro's personal idiolect, sometimes the author's own. Fickett 1972 paper is a 3 page paper based on an excerpt from a speech given in 1970. Fickett 1970 is locked behind ERIC, so I can't see the sample size that Joan Fickett used to make this determination. Secondly, none of those are tenses, they're periphrastic aspect constructions; as a rule English does not differentiate tense, it has to explicitly state when an action took place outside of periphrastic aspect constructions. "I'ma gonna buy it" is just an accentual form of "I'm going to buy it" that has undergone the "going to" vs "gonna" differentiation. This is also found in White American English. Thirdly, the notes of the chart then turn around and admit that this is hogwash, such as listing "I done bought it" as a distinct tense when "done" is just a particle added for affect, and even THAT is just an accentual form of "I did buy it", which, guess what, White Americans do too.

>>20729315
Yes. The problem is when the language loses the ability to make these distinctions when they are needed. An example of what might prevent this is a complex system of constructions to rigidly define when a verb took place temporally rather than aspectually ("Yesterday before noon I ate").

Anonymous Sun Jul 24 18:32:46 2022 No.20729437

>>20729388
>The charts cited are not based on population studies, they're based on a single Negro's personal idiolect, sometimes the author's own.
Sure, but it's evidence that there are at least some speakers who draw these distinctions even if it's not the same for everyone.
>Secondly, none of those are tenses, they're periphrastic aspect constructions; as a rule English does not differentiate tense, it has to explicitly state when an action took place outside of periphrastic aspect constructions.
I did say tenses/aspects, as in combinations of tense and aspect; of course many are expressed periphrastically, that's how English does it.
>Thirdly, the notes of the chart then turn around and admit that this is hogwash, such as listing "I done bought it" as a distinct tense when "done" is just a particle added for affect
It's indicated periphrastically, but it has a distinct aspectual meaning and is used as such more or less consistently.
>Yes. The problem is when the language loses the ability to make these distinctions when they are needed.
You can express any semantic distinction in any language, though some may need more paraphrasing or explanation to express certain concepts. How are you simultaneously so knowledgeable and so ignorant about linguistics?

Anonymous Sun Jul 24 18:44:25 2022 No.20729498

>>20729437
>Sure, but it's evidence that there are at least some speakers who draw these distinctions even if it's not the same for everyone.
That's the entire point. There is no "AAVE", there's just a highly variable dialect continuum that has absolutely zero standards or authority in it. The very fact that a White woman has to go tell Negroes how many tenses their dialect has is a demonstration of this.

>It's indicated periphrastically, but it has a distinct aspectual meaning and is used as such more or less consistently.
No, that's not the point. "Done" is not an aspectual particle, "I done bought it" and "I bought it" are identical, the "done" is just added to confirm the truth of the aspectual content.

>You can express any semantic distinction in any language, though some may need more paraphrasing or explanation to express certain concepts.
And this gets to the heart of the problem: the entire reason that this forced lack of internal prescriptivism is even applied to Ebonics is precisely to maintain it as nebulous and authorityless.

Anonymous Sun Jul 24 18:54:20 2022 No.20729543

>>20729498
>That's the entire point. There is no "AAVE", there's just a highly variable dialect continuum that has absolutely zero standards or authority in it.
Obviously there is linguistic variability within any given dialect. But there are certain traits that are common among most black speakers, though you could argue whether AAVE is a paraphyletic classification and the common ancestor of all AAVE dialects is also ancestral to some Southern varieties not normally counted as AAVE.
>The very fact that a White woman has to go tell Negroes how many tenses their dialect has is a demonstration of this.
The average person not explicitly knowing things about their own language even though they speak it is absolutely normal. Consider how many English speakers think their language comes from Latin, or think that the <ng> in <sing> is two separate consonants /ng/.
>No, that's not the point. "Done" is not an aspectual particle, "I done bought it" and "I bought it" are identical, the "done" is just added to confirm the truth of the aspectual content.
In your dialect, sure. But for some speakers there is an aspectual distinction there.
>And this gets to the heart of the problem: the entire reason that this forced lack of internal prescriptivism is even applied to Ebonics is precisely to maintain it as nebulous and authorityless.
What do you mean?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 20:41:57 2022 No.20730060 >>20729543 And he stopped responding lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 22:16:48 2022 No.20730518 >>20729498 https://web.stanford.edu/~zwicky/aave-is-not-se-with-mistakes.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 22:22:07 2022 No.20730547 >>20724664 I think reading the Eddas dirrectly it's better. Neil has a cute rendition of the stories, but the original simple and direct prose it what gives them soul.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 22:24:31 2022 No.20730556 >>20726003 By the colour of the skin of the people causing the change is usually a good rule of thumb.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 22:24:44 2022 No.20730557 >>20730547 A translation is still someone else's interpretation, though. Unless you're reading them in the original Norse.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 22:25:45 2022 No.20730567 >>20730556 So you're saying you don't have any standard for judging language changes, you're just racist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 22:32:04 2022 No.20730605 >>20730557 Gaiman didn't just translated them. He actively changed the style and rewrote the prose to be more flowery.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 22:32:33 2022 No.20730606 >>20730567 When you come across a heuristic that consistently produces good results you stick with it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 24 22:36:52 2022 No.20730622

>>20730605
Sure, but my point is that a translation is still someone else's interpretation even if slightly less indirect.
>>20730606
But a lot of the changes characteristic of AAVE originated in dialects spoken by white people. For example, the habitual 'be' comes from Hiberno-English.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 22:37:52 2022 No.20730624 >>20730622 >Sure, but my point is that a translation is still someone else's interpretation even if slightly less indirect. Agreed

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 22:40:50 2022 No.20730638 >>20724664 >Or there is a better Norse mythology audiobook that I can listen to in my jogs? Prose Edda, Poetic Edda.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 24 23:05:09 2022 No.20730739 >>20730606 But what standard did you use to generate that heuristic in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 02:51:58 2022 No.20731757 >>20730739 I was born racist. A book I read by Schlomo Shekelburgstein said so and I believed him and decided to stick with it. Figure nature can't be wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 03:04:17 2022 No.20731817 >>20724750 99% of people know Thor first from the comics or movies

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 03:09:47 2022 No.20731850 File: 474 KB, 1689x2560, 81ApSu+BejL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20724664 Kevin Crossley-Holland is better https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43511809-the-norse-myths

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 03:34:56 2022 No.20731975 >>20724664 Read the Eddas in the original language.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 05:02:47 2022 No.20732264 >>20729388 Just say you don't have a monkeyspeak amulet

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 07:45:04 2022 No.20732411

>>20724664
>Greek and roman mythology
Karl Kerényi

Instead of the Gay Man's works on norse religion I'd recommend E. O. G. Turville-Petre's "Myth and Religion of the North - The Religion of Ancient Scandinavia" or Dumézil's much shorter "Gods of the Ancient Northmen"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 07:55:43 2022 No.20732417 >>20730557 not all interpretations are false

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 09:48:08 2022 No.20732668 (((Gaiman))) Yes please tell us about our religion, lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 13:11:33 2022 No.20733105 >>20731757 Why do you refuse to give a serious answer? I'm guessing you either don't have one or know it would sound ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 13:13:11 2022 No.20733107 >>20732417 No, but my point is that it's not the original, it's someone else's paraphrase in your language. That necessarily loses something, because different languages are different and there is no perfect translation.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 16:08:45 2022 No.20733305

>>20733105
Why should he? You obviously ask in bad faith, any one of us le "nazis" can see this shit from a mile away.
You aren't asking "Why is it that you do not care for other races?"
You are literally saying "You are (buzzword), why is it you are (buzzword)?"
And you are effectively crying to us, "You're a RACIST!! A BIG RACIST MEANIE!! AND WHAT DID THE INNOCENT PEOPLE OF COLOR DO TO YOU??"
In reality, it's all in an effort to get personal info/material to argue feckless leftist semantics about or pretend he's mentally ill just because he opposes you politically. If you find out he is a man, you attack his manhood, or vice versa, even if you find out he's poor and poverty-stricken you'll go against your supposed leftist values and attack him class-wise.
You don't actually care, that's why.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 16:13:10 2022 No.20733330

>>20733305
>You aren't asking "Why is it that you do not care for other races?"
That kinda is what I'm asking, though? I mean, it's difficult for me to believe you could have any really good reason to, but for all I know maybe you do. But I'll never know if you don't tell me.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 16:21:53 2022 No.20733379

>>20732417
>>20733107
Like hamartia (sin) in the Bible meaning "to miss the target", which has totally different connotations to today.

Along with bios, psykos, and zoe (life, life, life) all being reduced to one word despite having vastly different meanings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 16:26:05 2022 No.20733406 >>20733379 I thought 'psykhe' was usually translated 'soul'?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 16:36:32 2022 No.20733464 File: 865 KB, 2544x4000, 1549549232182.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20724924 >"yo onions"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 16:41:40 2022 No.20733489 >>20733406 "Psukhe" meant 'bile' in the earliest iterations, such as The Iliad. Any more esoteric understandings come from the fact that one's bodily liquids are a lifeline of his. Lose your blood - lose your life.

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 20:12:55 2022 No.20734541

>>20733330
Ok, honest answer time. I spent many years in public service working on the front lines of racial integration, deeply immersed in minority communities and came to the data-informed conclusion that integration and continued public investment in their education and welfare will never produce and adequate return on investment, therefore peaceful and permanent separation of the races is the only sustainable solution to many of our social ills.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 21:30:46 2022 No.20734963 >>20731850 This. Gaiman ripped him off (he specifically cites KCH as his source growing up and then decided to write the exact same book, without notes and generally dumbed down).

Anonymous Mon Jul 25 21:46:50 2022 No.20735018

>>20730060
Sorry, not everyone can sit on 4chan all day.

>>20729543
>In your dialect, sure
This is precisely the problem: there is no AAVE. It's not real. It's made up by academics trying to create a prestige dialect where there isn't one. ACTUAL BLACKS IN REAL LIFE do not use "done" to indicate aspect, they use it to indicate evidentiality as that is what Modern English does. They even do it by do-support. There is no prestige dialect here, it's just the general flux of language given privilege because it's coming out of lips about a certain melanin minimum. I don't see what's so hard about this to get, you yourself accept this which is why you'd throw a fit if even a tenth of the money that goes to constructing AAVE for Negroes went to studying "WSVE (White Southern Vernacular English)".

Also, to your point about "Blacks are too dumb to know AAVE", racist and sexist much?

>>20733489
>>20733406
Another good one is "ichor", which originally meant the silver fluid that the Olympians have in place of blood, but Christian authors got really butthurt about the Olympians being too pretty and started using it to refer to pus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 25 22:52:11 2022 No.20735297 >>20724664 If you're serious about the mythology, Gaiman isn't faithful to the sources. He rewrites and twists tales as he sees fit.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 01:26:59 2022 No.20735984

>>20734541
Suuure you did.
>>20735018
>This is precisely the problem: there is no AAVE. It's not real.
What exactly do you mean? Do you mean not all AAVE speakers speak the same or do you mean there's no meaningful cluster of idiolects that the term points to? The former I will not dispute, but the latter seems pretty ridiculous.
>ACTUAL BLACKS IN REAL LIFE do not use "done" to indicate aspect, they use it to indicate evidentiality as that is what Modern English does.
...And you know this based on what exactly?
>I don't see what's so hard about this to get, you yourself accept this which is why you'd throw a fit if even a tenth of the money that goes to constructing AAVE for Negroes went to studying "WSVE (White Southern Vernacular English)".
Er, no, I think the English of white southerners is also a perfectly respectable dialect, or rather group of dialects?
>Also, to your point about "Blacks are too dumb to know AAVE", racist and sexist much?
Where did I say that? I said EVERYONE speaks their own language/dialect without explicitly knowing the rules of its grammar unless taught. You knew how to use do-support and inversion in English long before you had any conscious knowledge of what either of those things were, for instance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 01:36:49 2022 No.20736042 >>20724664 >Neil Jewman no. he is pozzed and subversive. ofc jews love norse mythology and every anti-christian thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 01:40:39 2022 No.20736058 >>20736042 >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 01:52:24 2022 No.20736098 >>20736058 You can literally see anti-christian bias in every single one of his books, especially American Gods, and this norse one is just the latest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 01:57:08 2022 No.20736119 >>20736098 Can you give an example?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 02:05:14 2022 No.20736155 >give me the source prose edda, poetic edda >spoonfeed me, also I want context with the wider world Tales of Norse mythology >I don't care that much, I only have enough money for one book and I want some Greece and King Arthur too Bullfinch

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 26 02:09:18 2022 No.20736173 >>20736119 American Gods is paganistic in it's spiritual setting, Good Omens is subversive to anyone who knows even a little about Christianity, and Coraline gave me nightmares as a kid.

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 02:12:35 2022 No.20736187

>>20736173
>American Gods is paganistic in it's spiritual setting
So being based on a religion other than Christianity is anti-Christian? Or maybe it's just non-Christian? There's a difference, you know.
>Good Omens is subversive to anyone who knows even a little about Christianity
It's unusual but I can't think of anything in particular in it that's obviously contradictory to Christian doctrine, given how vague much of Revelation is. And there's a nod at the end that if the world hasn't ended it must be because God didn't plan for it to yet.
>and Coraline gave me nightmares as a kid
What's that have to do with anything? All scary fiction is somehow anti-Christian?

Anonymous Tue Jul 26 03:30:17 2022 No.20736489

>>20736187
>So being based on a religion other than Christianity is anti-Christian?
Yes. You say it's just non-Christian, but for some reason, Jews are always in love with everything non-Christian.
You're ignorant based on your comment about revelation.
Coraline is just another example, Jews are always attracted to ugliness and horror.

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