Has anybody checked this guy's videos?

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Has anybody checked this guy's videos? Anonymous Mon Jul 18 14:27:15 2022 No.20696525 [Reply] [Original]

I have recently came across this guy, Gregory B. Sadler. He made a playlist on Youtube with over 300 videos explaining The Phenomenology of Spirit in short half hour videos. I was considering checking them out, just wanted to know if someone is familiar with him and can provide an opinion.

This is the playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4gvlOxpKKIgR4OyOt31isknkVH2Kweq2

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 14:30:07 2022 No.20696531 >>20696525 Mr. Sadler is a vocal supporter of truth and masculinity. I found it brave and inspiring that he supported his son's transition into a woman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 14:30:12 2022 No.20696532 His videos are alright, but that guy is such a sensitive know-it-all cunt. Awful person, good teacher.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 14:31:20 2022 No.20696539 He was a meme on here for a while, that's all I know about him. I'd probably suggest Rick Roderick or Michael Sugrue instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 14:32:20 2022 No.20696544 >>20696525 He used to be well liked here until his son got the trans and he cucked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 14:32:36 2022 No.20696545 >>20696531 That's Dr. Professor Emeritus Adjunct Sadler, Esq. to you.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 14:39:38 2022 No.20696577

>>20696539
I was already familiar with Sugrue, didn't know about Roderick but I'll sure check out his lessons.

I think I'll check out the first videos since he seems to have a good reputation here besides his personal life. Thanks for the feedback and I'll keep an eye on this thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 19:09:15 2022 No.20697818 >>20696539 Sugrue's lectures are great as introductions to a thinker but their target audience is not uni students but autodidacts. That said, his three lectures on the dramaturgy of The Republic are great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 19:11:41 2022 No.20697834 File: 41 KB, 584x384, trans.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20696525

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:23:14 2022 No.20698228 >>20697834 Based Sadman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:30:42 2022 No.20698266 >>20697834 JUST

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:35:28 2022 No.20698281 >>20697834 how unfortunate

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:36:54 2022 No.20698291 File: 125 KB, 600x600, 1613087782822.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20697834 I don't get 4chan's LGBT hysteria, I guess its just autists being more likely to be conservatives due to hatred of change.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:39:36 2022 No.20698300 >>20696525 is that the Minotaur of Minnesota?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:39:59 2022 No.20698302 >>20698291 youre a freak of nature. kys tranny

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:47:30 2022 No.20698328 >>20697834 How does he Absolute idealist accept silly post mosdernist idea like lgbtp

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 20:54:11 2022 No.20698355 [DELETED]

>>20697834
Fair enough, I knew a trannie in school who completely freaked out at their mother for an accidental misgendering and had them crying in front of everyone.
I usually find that any extended contact with the outside world cures most of my phobias. women, pocs, and leftists are never as obnoxious in the real world as they appear online but every trans person ive ever met has been as neurotic and demanding as they appear on twitter or reddit. I think for a lot of these people the illusion is created and maintained in their little internet hugboxes and so any sort of contact with the real world is completely unbearable.

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:07:01 2022 No.20698398

>>20698291
it is just laughable how atheists, ie sex and drug addicts, cant stop babbling about sex because their fake dichotomy classical liberalism - new liberalism turned out to be a huge scam which didnt even last long and now there is 100% unadulterated mercantilism. It turns out the women and the atheist bugmen deeply believe in the newest atheist idea : being moral (ie supporting humanism) merged with mass cooooomsumming. This is why in 2022 the average atheist is a roastie or tranny addicted to virtue signaling on instagram

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:07:09 2022 No.20698399 >>20697834 How old is his daughter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:23:47 2022 No.20698444 >>20698399 He doesn't have a daughter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:27:42 2022 No.20698461 >>20698444 He’s got two daughters and one is trans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:29:23 2022 No.20698469 >>20698461 he's got one daughter then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:41:28 2022 No.20698508 >>20698399 >teachers she or him or wtever the fuck must be under 21.These people are just late bloomers. It's all very strange. My worldview was way too childlike to make such decisions to be "trans" or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:48:38 2022 No.20698541 >>20697834 >get your shots >2019 wut

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:53:41 2022 No.20698561 >>20696525 Sadler is pretty good in terms of content, you always have to put him on 1.5x speed though. Also check out Arthur Holmes, great stuff

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 21:59:56 2022 No.20698575 >>20697834 I like how this subtly shows that the teachers (tendrils of the managerial apparatus) are the real parents now "I am learning to obey my children's apparatchik overseers more effectively. Turns out a penis is really a big clit and 2+2=5"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:05:22 2022 No.20698591 >>20696525 Yes greg. I found your channel because it came up with I searched for bakker

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:08:31 2022 No.20698602 >>20696525 >stoic >spends all day raging at YouTube comments >catholic >supportive of transgenders Odd

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:09:43 2022 No.20698607 >>20697834 >have a son to pass on your name >it's a tranny Life must be miserable for dads like him

Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:17:54 2022 No.20698636

>>20698607
I used to think you need to have at least a couple sons in order to have a legacy, because something might happen to one of them, and daughters are a 4/5 chance of a dud. But now you need to have like ten sons and a thousand daughters for a 50/50 shot of having a legacy, since all your sons will be fags and all your daughters will be self-harming BPD e-girls.

At this point I'm just going around town telling anybody with a moustache that I hate his paintings and he should go into politics instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:20:34 2022 No.20698644 >>20698602 The Sadler lifestyle is admittedly not for everyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:23:49 2022 No.20698656 >>20698636 >At this point I'm just going around town telling anybody with a moustache that I hate his paintings and he should go into politics instead. kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:35:19 2022 No.20698697 File: 98 KB, 750x739, 1580997518875.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20696531 Are you serious

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:36:03 2022 No.20698700 >>20698697 >nooo not a supportive father

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 18 22:38:32 2022 No.20698707 File: 55 KB, 600x450, 1601984412010.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20698700

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 01:21:35 2022 No.20699229

>>20698291
Being disgusted by the self enthrallment required to be trans is not exclusive to conservatives. Our world is dying and yet you waste your precious time becoming an uglier version of yourself, and not just that one that requires more maintenance than the rest of the populace.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 01:29:05 2022 No.20699254

>>20698291
Anyone who hates self-indulgent freaks, decadence, degeneration, and decay will hate trannies with about the same degree of intensity as they hate someone willfully spreading disease. Homosexuals are hit and miss. If they were "just gay," it would be fine by me. I don't even mind if they're a bit flamboyant or different. But they are being used by larger forces to promote the aforementioned decadence, in the same way black people's cultural problems are being exacerbated to promote degeneracy.

I am laissez faire by nature, as long as you can also show that you are responsible enough to wield it with dignity and without sacrificing other important values. Trannies are the radical inversion of value itself, they are satanic if anything was ever satanic. But gays could be fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 01:39:53 2022 No.20699285 >>20696525 He helped clarify Descarte for me when I thought I must be interpreting him incorrectly because there was no way Descarte could believe something so retarded. Sadler confirmed it was in fact Descartes contention.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 02:06:13 2022 No.20699374 >>20698398 Humanist-hating anon, can always recognize your posts. Have you read anything by E. Michael Jones? Seems right up your alley. His Monsters from the Id was a great book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 03:09:55 2022 No.20699578 >>20698700 >being supportive >indulging your son's mental disorder Pick one

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 03:22:29 2022 No.20699645 Xer son is a tranny

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:13:07 2022 No.20699832 File: 66 KB, 985x885, 1636419620694.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:21:15 2022 No.20699867 >>20698541 Current display name, old tweet. Make sense? It should.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:22:02 2022 No.20699868 >>20699832 Goddamn Noyan is a fucking idiot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:26:29 2022 No.20699884 >>20699578 The 41% suicide attempt rate is drastically lower with the support of friends and family. Simply having a parent who support their transition lowers trans suicide rates by 94%.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:28:18 2022 No.20699894 >>20698328 It's his kid. You love your kid, no matter how stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:30:09 2022 No.20699900 >>20699832 Very reasonable >>20696544 What do you expect the man to do? Cut off contact? Continuously misgender the guy until he cuts off contact?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:33:15 2022 No.20699905

>>20699900
>Continuously misgender the guy until he cuts off contact?
Are you a cuck or something? Either let him know that his publicity stunt isn't gonna work or let him fuck off, its better than legitimizing tranny cultist propaganda literally killing your son.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:36:20 2022 No.20699911

>>20698291
In general, I am fine with trans people. If my son or daughter transitioned, I would try my best to be supportive. On the other hand, I absolutely DESPISE those who seek to get rid of grammatical gender in gendered languages. I genuinely struggle to think of anything as twisted as that. Is that where autism kicks in? Maybe, but I’ll be damned before I just smile as our languages are destroyed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 04:39:59 2022 No.20699929 >>20696525 >I have recently came across this guy, Gregory B. Sadler. How do I stop being an oldfag?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 06:36:52 2022 No.20700202 >>20699911 Back to weddit with you kommie satanist >>20699884 Then for the betterment of the world you shouldnt support them now should you? They dont add anything to society except burden.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 06:44:12 2022 No.20700228

>>20696525
He's been known here since before the start of the Half Hour Hegel series started.

>>20698355
>who completely freaked out at their mother for an accidental misgendering and had them crying in front of everyone.
Nearly all are autism spectrum with a super majority having a BPD mother doing quasi-Munchausen's By Proxy shit. Wages of sin ect. ect.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:29:15 2022 No.20700671

>>20699884
>indulge them
>they suddenly depend on having a hug box otherwise they will kill themselves

>actually treat their issues rather than indulge them
>they become normal and not dependent on others showering them with undue praise and adoration

You are not being supportive. You are creating a dependent. This is not love. It is psyoping your child into feeling like everyone around them needs to validate their illness. Very telling that you were the one to bring up the suicide rate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:39:40 2022 No.20700691 >>20698291 OK Groomer

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 09:46:09 2022 No.20700706

>>20699884
This happens because they want to be something that they can NEVER be, and the reality of that finally catches up with them. You are delusional.
>support of friends and family
That isn't being supportive, it's being patronizing. They require pathological degrees of patronizing from all people around them at all times or they'll literally go psychotic and hurt themselves.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:05:23 2022 No.20700750

>>20696525
His videos are painfully braindead and entry-level. He's basically regurgitating the texts with protracted quotes, explaining what it says on the face of it and never chancing anything even resembling interpretation.

I once read The Genealogy of Morals, quickly and with little attention, skipping over the harder parts, just to read it. I then listened to his three hour series on it and I learned NOTHING new. His videos are only useful if really suck at reading and philosophical texts scare you.

He's also a thin skinned loser with no self awareness and living proof that stoicism is a cope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:14:47 2022 No.20700760 >>20696577 >I was already familiar with Sugrue, didn't know about Roderick but I'll sure check out his lessons. Sadler is just a discount Rick Roderick. Forgett the half measures, learn from the best.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:15:30 2022 No.20700761 >>20699900 I mean I would. but he's probably a better man than I am

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:16:47 2022 No.20700765 >>20698291 we are legion

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:30:22 2022 No.20700789 >>20699832 I don’t see what he did wrong here.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:47:53 2022 No.20700827

>>20699900
>>20700789
Yeah, this is a bad example that only shows his attitude to those who have already seen it. You need to understand that he always responds to every comment within minutes, whether it was addressed personally to him or not. He frequently gets very dismissive at best and pissy at worst if he thinks that the comment is "wasting his time". It's insane.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 10:49:56 2022 No.20700831

>>20699900
I would support my trans kid if he had genuine gender dysphoria, which statistically is extremely unlikely, but if he's just doing it out of autism or because he got brainwashed into it by a groomer teacher then I'm not going to entertain his delusions. Sadler cucked beyond just accepting his trans kid though. He didn't go full woke, but there's a stench of wokeism on him now that is off putting at times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:07:30 2022 No.20700872 >>20698328 https://youtu.be/W2jtkakoWG4

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:08:21 2022 No.20700876 >>20698291 >change is le good

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:28:16 2022 No.20700941

>>20698328
>silly post mosdernist idea like lgbtp
Dude gay people have been around since ancient times. So have trans and non binary people. Some cultures used to even have an elusive third gender, such as the Hawaiian Māhū. lgbtq people have always existed, it's just only now that people are talking about it

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:37:26 2022 No.20700967

>>20700941
This
Biology saying that women have two X chromosomes and men one x one y is a fact
But biology making that the definition of gender was a choice
Adorno is proven time and time again to be right in saying that even science can never escape the narrow cultural views it came from

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:40:42 2022 No.20700978 [DELETED]

>>20700941
>it's just only now that people are talking about it
foucault covers this in history of sexuality volume one. the rise of science elevated the importance of sexual identity. before victorian science if you drilled some dude dressed a chick in the ass, that's an act of sodomy, but it didn't change the fundamental state of your being. now it makes you "a gay".

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:46:41 2022 No.20700995

>>20698328
Because that's his daughter, bratan. Most parents, even while disagreeing and not seeing the logic, go along with the wishes of their children to some degree. If it makes your child happy and allows both parties to have a relationship then people are relatively relaxed in general. The average person on 4chan does not represent the average individual in real life and most people generally speaking don't find fault in every single individual they come across.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:49:35 2022 No.20701004 >>20698328 Pretty sure he doesn't believe in Hege's idealism. Just a poser materialist who knows how to explain Hegel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:52:14 2022 No.20701011 >>20698291 I don't really get this whole "change is goos for its own sake" or even the historicist concept of "change". Like, what do you mean, things are changing all the time, that doesn't mean a man will ever be a woman.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:53:56 2022 No.20701020 >>20700967 Define woman.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:55:30 2022 No.20701024 >>20700941 Trans people and "non-binary" is purely a form of modern mania. And you didn't ever choose your gender.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:56:08 2022 No.20701026 >>20701020 Doesn't have a penis

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 11:57:07 2022 No.20701028 >>20700827 Not even gender dyaphoria is a real provable thing. These people need to get out of their heads.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:01:19 2022 No.20701039 >>20701026 Eunuchs are clearly not women. Be more precise.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:02:11 2022 No.20701042

>>20701024
>And you didn't ever choose your gender
You're absolutely right about that. Trans people can't choose their gender. That's why it's so hard for them. If a transwoman could simply choose to be male they would do so, as it's a million fucking times easier than being trans and being treated as subhuman by over half the world's population. Things would sure be easy if you could simply choose your gender

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:29:39 2022 No.20701133 >>20701042 Or just accept who you are instead of forcing others to coddle you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:32:09 2022 No.20701137 >>20701133 That's what trans people do you fucking dumbass. And how about you don't go and decide for other people who they are and how they should behave based on something as nebulous as chromosomes

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:33:35 2022 No.20701146

>>20700671
>>actually treat their issues rather than indulge them
Transitioning is currently the only somewhat effective treatment. That's not saying much, and hopefully in the future it can just be resolved with a few pills, but this is the best we can do for now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:46:44 2022 No.20701187 File: 204 KB, 500x374, 1658223343986735.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I decide whether or not a philosophy prof. Is shit or not based entirely on their explanation of aristotles categories m, and this guy is an aggressive 3/10.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:47:25 2022 No.20701194

>>20701042
>>20701137
I don't mean to offend, but I just find it hard to believe that going through such a risky and problematic transition has to be the only solution for those people, the health detriments (physically and sometimes mentally too) are life long, are they not?

Is there a reason for why people end up caring so much about how they "look"? Ultimately they will never be able to truly become what they really want, or think they want (and I don't mean this as a diss), so to me it doesn't make sense how that would satisfy people. The impression I get is that many, especially young people, end up doing it without considering the consequences or truly understanding what they want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:47:26 2022 No.20701195 >>20696525 if you're ugly, don't do video reviews

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:49:00 2022 No.20701202 >>20701137 I don't necessarily base it on chromosomes as females can be xx or of the other zw. But atleast I have a base, and that base is adult human female. You have nothing and expect me to listen to you.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:50:11 2022 No.20701205

>>20700750
So do you think there is room for another PhS podcast?

I had one planned and didn't think any existed because I only looked for podcasting sites.

I do plan to make it more accessible than other sources (written commentaries or recorded graduate courses), but sort of in a different way. I feel like PhS is a great book, but it's also taught as a static work of the early 19th century. I wanted to more intensively tie it in to modern ideas than any work I've seen, looking at the contemporary ideas it has influence. I planned to do this in two ways:

1. Review more than one commentary. You have people who say PhS is all epistemology, the most popular take is a neo-Marxist take that focuses heavily on the social-historical factors and even goes as far as to deny ANY religion in the book. Then you have people who say it is all religious (either way, it has a massive effect on theology, which Marxists tend to just ignore). So, I was going to compare and contrast:
>Harris's Hegel's Ladder, a source that focuses on the religious symbolism quite a bit, and finds it in places it is much less direct.
>Hyppolite, very popular more neo-Marxist influenced reading.
>Kalkavage because he has a more accessible commentary already and focuses more on the pedagogical side of PhS
>Kojeve because he is so influential, and you need to include why he might be missing things since he is the standard
>Dorrien for an entirely theologically focused take.

The other idea I had was to tie the book into modern philosophy and science more than I've seen it done. A lot of people think idealism is dead. It was an interesting concept that was killed by the successes of science, which are evidence for physicalism. I feel like any introduction to make Hegel broadly interesting needs to cover the current status of idealism. So, I wanted to cover Hoffman's The Case Against Reality as an example of the new scientific idealism that has been making a comeback. Arguments for idealism from the cognitive neuroscience space make the most sense for PhS but I figured I'd briefly cover other non-physicalist ontologies coming out of physics ("It From Bit," Tegmark's mathematical ontology, etc.). Hegel has also had a resurgence as of late in cognitive neuroscience and biology, particularly biosemiotics and information theoretic approaches to biology (partly through his influence on Peirce) and this can be tied in.

But now I feel like the project is already dead because someone already did it.

IDK, I do want to do something that ties philosophy more to the sciences. The way philosophy is taught today makes it seem totally dead, disconnected from current debates. It actually has plenty to add, e.g., information theoretic approaches are a total mess across fields because no one works on a definition of information except Floridi. But positivism is still haunting philosophy, keeping is cut off from modern debated where it could be helpful.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:50:41 2022 No.20701207 File: 610 KB, 592x715, 1658134764428743.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If a single pro-tranny post is made after my post I swear to God that I will unleashed a mathematical proof that transsexuals are illogical at the fundamental level.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:51:48 2022 No.20701212 >>20701137 >>20701202 What's more, you still insist on using that eord which you can't even define. You who you arr and there was no cosmic mistake in the allocation of your essence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:53:15 2022 No.20701218 >>20701212 You are who you are*

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 12:59:39 2022 No.20701239

>>20696539
>I'd probably suggest Rick Roderick or Michael Sugrue instead.
For what reason?
>>20698561
>Also check out Arthur Holmes,
What does he specialize in?
>>20698291
aren't trannies disproportionately autists? Isn't that why so many of them (and furries too - I'm sure it's all connected) are coders or work in IT?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:02:44 2022 No.20701252
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>>20701194
>The impression I get is that many, especially young people, end up doing it without considering the consequences or truly understanding what they want.
Definitely true. Sadly lots of groomers and autogynephiles have taken complete control of the movement and now it's no longer about treating people with an unfortunate mental condition, and instead just a social fashion choice that far too many kids and lonely autists fall victim to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:03:14 2022 No.20701256 He likes Bakker which I found amusing

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:06:38 2022 No.20701269 >>20701212 >You are who you are and there was no cosmic mistake in the allocation of your essence keep religion out of this please. No one wants to be told how feel and behave based on someone else's religious ideas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:13:33 2022 No.20701296 >>20701269 I wasn't being religious, just making a philosophical point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:14:50 2022 No.20701299 >>20701239 >aren't trannies disproportionately autists? They are, a pamphlet on autism I was given had a section about it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:17:14 2022 No.20701313

>>20701252
I think you're highly underestimating the role of endocrine disruptors. In 2020, half of all plastics had been produced in the past 12 years. Growth in plastics is increasing exponentially. Even back then, the average American consumes an entire credit card of plastics every week.

These have pretty well documented effects on the endocrine system. Then add in the amount of birth control and medications in current water supplies.

You'd think cities would be the worst for this, but a lot of rural areas are even worse. Agriculture now uses absolute fuck tons of chemicals. New crops are immune to the popular (and cancer causing) formulation Roundup. Farmers plant these crops and then pour Roundup across the entire thing. Crop rotation is abandoned in favor of just using petroleum based fertilizer and fuck tons of chemicals.

Rural areas also have shit enviornmental protections and water treatment. I live in rural Kentucky and there is literally no place to dispose of vehicle batteries, oil, paint, solvents etc. You can call around and find stores that will take some products but the state agency doesn't really exist and many counties just say "throw it in the trash lol." Landfill standards are much more lax than many areas, and dumping is endemic anyhow, so all this shit just seeps into the ground. Not to mention the clouds of single use shopping bags that fly off into the wind every year.

Any attempt to fix the trash issue is labeled as enviornmentalism, thus liberal, this bullshit. So people screaming about trannies taking over will fight tooth and nail to avoid anything that might take tranny juice out of their kid's food and water.

Also look at the absolute plunge in sperm count, which is not fully explained by obesity by a long shot, even though that is asspulled to explain it. No one wants to look at what saturating your water and food in plastics and industrial chemicals does.

You're crazy to not have a high end reverse osmosis filter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:18:26 2022 No.20701323 >>20701299 I unsure how to respond to that... do you remember what the pamphlet said about it?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:21:14 2022 No.20701332

>>20701313
Oh, and we have a county where more than 1/5 people aged 18 and up either had cancer or has had cancer. Very heavy mining activity.

Industry brought in their own "researchers," and shock, the endemic cancer is tied to genetics! And this was met with, "meh, guess we got cancer genetics." IDK, maybe putting a coal elevator over the roof of a school to save constructions costs in a bad idea...

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:22:54 2022 No.20701338

>>20701296
No you were being religious. If you were making a philosophical point you could have argued that "there was no cosmic mistake in the allocation of your essence" could also include being trans and therefore we should not judge someone for being born the way they are born. Instead you use this argument to support your own belief that trans people are in the wrong for trying to transition, despite the fact that this provably makes them happier. You've said that I don't have a "base", however I've yet to hear a source from your end. Here's one from me

https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/#:~:text=How%20Many%20Trans%20People%20Regret,detransition%20statistics%20are%20for%202022.

Science is largely in support of lgbt issues and should be too

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:29:36 2022 No.20701354
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I am so sick of seeing pro-tranny arguments that I've decided to prove them indubidubly illogical.

1. Monadic substances are those which exist without reference or relation to any other substances; consider the qualitative property of a specific shade of red as existing solely as a potentiality, this is a monadic substance. Like aristotles example of destroying all circles in the universe failing to destroy the possibility of a circle becoming materially instantiated; neither then does a monadic substance such as a potential quality being materially instantiated somewhere in the phenomenal world preclude the simultaneous existence of a corresponding potentiality free of any relations to other objects and substances. Indeed, it necessitates.

2. Dyadic objects are those wherein two subjects comprise the totality of a single object through their necessary relation to one another. Consider the left and right sides of your body, the left and right sides of a spiral, large versus small, fast versus slow, heavy versus light, etc. These are abstract or concrete objects that only exist as a consequence of two distinct subjects coming into relationship with one another. Big can't exist without small, nor can the left side of your body without the right side, etc.

There are very few true concrete dyads extant in the material world that do not depend on a conscious observer relating qualitative and quantative properties between the substances being contemplated and compared.

However, one of those is sex. Male and female are two distinct subjects that come into relation with one another in the moment of their creations so as to necessarily manifest the totality of the concepts we assimilate to "human." Whatever it is that you are, if you're a human, necessitates it be one of two things: male or female.

Male and female are in a dyadic relationship. What this means is, contrary to your illogical tranny beliefs, transsexuals are, in essence, claiming the equivalent that the left half of their body is actually the right half of their body, that big is actually small, that fast is actually slow, that heavy is actually light, that the left half of a spiral is actually its right half, and that they're really women and not men.

You're men.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:37:38 2022 No.20701387

>>20701354
>However, one of those is sex. Male and female are two distinct subjects that come into relation with one another in the moment of their creations so as to necessarily manifest the totality of the concepts we assimilate to "human." Whatever it is that you are, if you're a human, necessitates it be one of two things: male or female.
Completely illogical argument. Your hypothesis requires the conclusion to be true. Go back to logic 101 before you embarrass yourself again

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:38:10 2022 No.20701391 >>20701354 Can't even tell if this is bait or just genuine stupidity

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:43:24 2022 No.20701406
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>>20701387
How can two monadic substances come into relation with one a other without producing a dyadic relationship, retard? Of course the conclusion is necessary.

Unless you're willing to argue that big can exist in a universe without small?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:49:24 2022 No.20701432

>>20701354
next you're going to prove homosexuality isn't physically possible using magnets. Complete rubbish laddy

>Whatever it is that you are, if you're a human, necessitates it be one of two things: male or female.
What's your source on this? What are you basing this on? What about intersex people?
Moreover you're talking about sex. Trans people aren't saying they want to change their chromosomes. they believe that gender and sex are separate things, the first being based on your biology the second, though still scientifically less understood, is mostly based on your psychology. Trans people aren't saying they want to change sex, they're saying their gender doesn't match their biological sex and that they would be happier using a different set of gender expressions and inhabiting a different body.

And what about bees? or any other animal that has more than two sexes? Why would humans necessarily only have two genders? Because of reproduction? Why would reproduction between two sexes exclude the existence of a third? You do realize intersex people exist right?

>You're men.
Forgetting that trans-men exist. That alone should prove how little you actually understand what you're talking about

How about you first try and learn what the other side is saying before making a counterargument?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:51:26 2022 No.20701441

>>20701432
>What's your source on this? What are you basing this on? What about intersex people?
What about birth defects, huh? You ever think that maybe we all actually have three arms? Checkmate.

Explain atistotles categories to me in two sentences or shut the fuck up retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:53:50 2022 No.20701454 >>20701432 Bees are haplodiploidy, moron.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 13:57:35 2022 No.20701464

>>20701432
Pro tip: For there to be a human a female needs to reproduce with a male.
>Trans people aren't saying they want to change sex
They are, they believe that through chopping of their genitalia (a physiological structure formed through the expression of genetic data) their specific sex would change, regardless of their gender identification, otherwise why would they even bother?
If gender is social construct, an entirely psychological thing, there would be no need for them to engage in hormone replacement therapies, nor extreme and experimental surgeries.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:05:00 2022 No.20701488

>>20701441
>What about birth defects, huh?
Why is this retarded argument always the response to someone bringing up intersex? Who is saying that intersex is super common and not a defect? If you make a comment like "you can only be either male or female, XX or XY, simple as that", no shit somebody is going to bring up an exception to that.
>You ever think that maybe we all actually have three arms?
Some people do. Some have three, some have one, some have none. Saying "if you're a human, you have 2 arms, end of story" would be an equally retarded statement, because exceptions do exist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:06:07 2022 No.20701493 >>20701488 How can a human come into existence without a male and a female?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:08:24 2022 No.20701499 >>20701493 They can't. Did you even check what post you responded to? Dumb nigger

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:11:28 2022 No.20701508

>>20701464
No that is what they are saying. They want to change their body because they feel uncomfortable in their own. This is called body-dysmorphia and is a separate thing from being trans, though obviously often comes with being trans. If you have ever worn a toupee, dreamed of being taller or having a larger penis, or whished you were more attractive or athletic, you've experienced body dysmorphia. Though it would be nice for people to be able to be happy in their body, this isn't in the card for lot's of people with body dysmorphia. And no, transitioning is not the same thing as changing your sex and trans people are not arguing this. Nor are they arguing that gender is entirely a social construct, simply that it is partially affected by culture (for example make-up, heels under your shoes and the colour pink used to be considered manly things in some cultures in history). If gender what a social construct and therefore entirely taught, there wouldn't be any trans people.

Please don't base your counterarguments on shit you've read on facebook

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:12:03 2022 No.20701510

>>20701499
If an aberration in the genetic structure of a human leads to them being incapable of reproducing, and thus incapable of coming into relation with the opposite sex in such a way as to dislocate their being from the great chain of being, barring that they resemble one of the two sexes themselves, then they are disconnected from the necessary functions of their respective sex or sex presentation.

Note where your mind goes the second I explain that male and female are fundamental natural categories? "What about people who are born with horribly disfigured genetics that render them incapable of reproducing!" Yeah, what about them? They have no relation to either sex in so far as they are disconnected from the great chain of being through infertility.

This is why the Greeks considered eunuchs "women", which to them, in the fashion they used the word, actually meant more like "femboy faggot"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:13:24 2022 No.20701514 >>20701441 >Explain atistotles categories to me in two sentences or shut the fuck up retard. You're the one who's trying to explain how Aristotle's three categories prove transsexuality isn't real, not me buddy. And you've done a shit job

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:14:41 2022 No.20701523 >>20700706 >they can NEVER be The two trans people I know transitioned so effectively that I didn't know they were trans until I knew them better. So plenty of them can, in fact.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:19:34 2022 No.20701535

>>20701354
This is a shit tier argument. There are animals and plants that can choose between reproducing sexually or asexually. There are animals that can switch sexes. There are plants that can represent either sex in reproduction. Sex is obviously not dyadic in nature. There is no reason evolution couldn't benefit from allowing multiple partners to produce one offspring.

It's dyadic in terms of reproduction in humans but hardly in phenotype since long before surgeries you still had manly looking women and feminine men.

Nature produces trannies. There is a fish with two distinct types of males. One type is big and aggressive and guards a harem of females to get their eggs to himself. Another group of males look just like the females and slip by the males this way, cucking them by fertilizing by stealth.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:22:56 2022 No.20701546

>>20701510
>They have no relation to either sex in so far as they are disconnected from the great chain of being through infertility.
So if a man suffers testicular cancer and loses his fertility he's what, no longer male because he can't reproduce? He just magically changes to a new third group with no sex? Is this reason you're writing all these walls of text because deep down you're actually no different to twitter trannies after all? LOL

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:24:42 2022 No.20701551

>>20701546
He's no longer capable of reproduction. Just like trannys who cut their cocks off. That doesn't make them genetically inhuman, that just means they're disconnected from the possibility of participating in the great chain of being. Just like trannys.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:25:05 2022 No.20701554

>>20701508
>If you have ever worn a toupee, dreamed of being taller or having a larger penis, or whished you were more attractive or athletic, you've experienced body dysmorphia
No i do not think that is how it works. You are making shit up. I am pretty sure, wishing to be taller is not the same as chopping off your dick so you can become a woman.
>trans people are not arguing this
They are, you can easily find people on the internet that argue this very position.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:34:32 2022 No.20701592 >>20699900 He should have beaten the degeneracy out of him.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:37:57 2022 No.20701603

>>20701554
>No I do not think that is how it works
Yes it is. That's what body dysmorphia is. Did you know that some people go through months long limb-lengthening surgery, just to gain a few inches? and that they do this despite this being known to often lead to years of agonising pain? Doesn't sound so different to cutting of your dick does it?

Also cutting off your penis isn't necessary to be trans. Nowadays plenty of trans people are happy to live with their member and many governments that allow you to change your registered legal gender are scrapping laws that require this type of surgery to legally change your gender, because we shouldn't be pushing people who are confused and uncomfortable in their body to irreversibly change their body to conform to what society expects of them. This is also why people support puberty blockers for trans-children. Because it's reversible and leaves the choice till later. Being trans and cutting off your penis are not the same thing. Being trans simply means you don't think your gender matches your biological sex.

And no, the fact that some people on the internet aren't up to date with all the facts doesn't mean the whole group is wrong. Trans people don't need to learn everything there is to know about their identity in order to feel the way that feel and look for what makes them happy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:38:37 2022 No.20701607 >>20701603 How does a human being come into existence without a male and a female? You're just talking nonsense until you address this.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:42:21 2022 No.20701614

>>20701607
like I said. Gender and biological sex are different things. No one is saying a child isn't the result of reproduction between someone with a female and someone with a male reproductive system. Please don't act like your smarter than other people because you remember what you learned in middle school biology class. Science is in agreement with lgbt issues and so should you be

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:48:36 2022 No.20701636

>>20701614
>Please don't act like your smarter than other people because you remember what you learned in middle school biology class.
Please don't act like you're smarter than other people because you forgot.

>Gender and biological sex are different things.
They're different words, sure.

You haven't answered the question.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:52:17 2022 No.20701652

>>20701636
NTA but are you blind or something?
>How does a human being come into existence without a male and a female?
>No one is saying a child isn't the result of reproduction between someone with a female and someone with a male reproductive system.
>You haven't answered the question.
?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:55:40 2022 No.20701670 >>20701652 So you're saying that trannys who cut their cocks off are just men who've cut their cocks off and not really women?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:57:16 2022 No.20701685 >>20701670 biological males that cut their cocks off are indeed biological males who cut their cocks off, regardless of whether they are male or female gendered. That is what I'm saying. yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:59:47 2022 No.20701692 >>20701685 So you're just confused about what gender means, I guess? Every cell in a mans body is male right up until the brain, right? lmao.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 14:59:56 2022 No.20701695 >>20701670 Yes men who cut their penises off are still men. I'm not pro tranny it's just insane how fucking stupid every post you've made in this thread is. Blow your fucking brains out you complete waste of oxygen.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:01:06 2022 No.20701701

>>20701603
I will repeat myself, there is a radical difference between wishing you were a little bit taller, and engaging in self harm for the sake of an impossible wish. Do you understand this? Are you really this ill intentioned/retarded?
>Also cutting off your penis isn't necessary to be trans
Never claimed otherwise. What is to be taken into account is that there are people that want to mutilate there own body in the goal of being perceived as a female, that is the core of the argument.
>the fact that some people on the internet aren't up to date with all the facts doesn't mean the whole group is wrong
Why should one take your opinion as the de-facto voice of the fag community?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:08:35 2022 No.20701735

>>20701146
>this is the best we can do
No the fuck it isn't. For a group of people who have preached body acceptance and love for years and years lefties sure seem to be quick to turn to the solution that involves rejecting body acceptance and love for trannies.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:09:09 2022 No.20701736

>>20701692
People use the word gender to refer to a different concept from sex. Even if you use the word gender to mean the exact same thing as sex we would simply use a different word. This argument isn't about what words mean but about what real people really feel and experience

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:18:03 2022 No.20701765

>>20701736
Gender is a word created by a pedophile to justify his person theories about self perception and its social construction that were so catastrophic the two subject he experimented on committed suicide out of sheer trauma. Trauma caused, by the way, in Dr. Money's desperate attempts to demonstrate his retarded ideas as valid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:20:35 2022 No.20701779 >>20701765 Is this the same person who 'invented' the idea that the world is round? sources please

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:21:49 2022 No.20701784 >>20701701 >Why should one take your opinion as the de-facto voice of the fag community? You're right. I only know so much and you only know even less. Instead of arguing, how about you look up actual scientific studies and debunk them?

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:24:49 2022 No.20701795
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>>20701779
Dr. John Money encouraged the parents of a child who's dick was accidentally cut off in the ritual mutilation ceremony of circumcision to mutilate him further, make a fake vagina, and raise him exclusively as a little girl, along with the hormones and everything.

Turns out from the moment the kid could walk he wanted to be a boy, thought he was a boy, and tried desperately to play with boy toys and act in a boyish fashion. So, to correct this, Dr. Money forced the forced tranny boy to perform and simulate sex acts with his twin brother as a means of reinforcing the female gender construct he'd created. He also filmed it. Both kids killed themselves pretty early into adulthood, with the brother of the forced tranny attempting to speak out about his experiences as much as possible.

Anyway, now you know the lovely origins of the concept of gender!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:31:15 2022 No.20701830 >>20701736 So when I tell a tranny that he isnt a woman, referring to biological sex, I'd be correct? He is a man, acting out a crude impression of a female.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:37:11 2022 No.20701862 >>20699900 it's the trannies who are misgendering. Their accusations are usually projection.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:38:50 2022 No.20701878 >>20701523 [Perception 1]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:43:44 2022 No.20701909 >>20701137 >something as nebulous as chromosomes You had me going for few posts, but this gave the game away.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:46:44 2022 No.20701935 >>20701313 >>20701332 excellent posts buy a fucking gravity water filter system

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:47:28 2022 No.20701939 >>20697834 Hegelians are fucking pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:47:45 2022 No.20701941 >>20701269 >No one wants to be told how feel and behave based on someone else's religious ideas. exactly why there is so much hostility to tranny ideology

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 15:55:25 2022 No.20701987 >>20701603 >This is also why people support puberty blockers for trans-children. Because it's reversible and leaves the choice till later. You are delusional LOL

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:03:14 2022 No.20702030

>>20701205
>The other idea I had was to tie the book into modern philosophy and science more than I've seen it done. A lot of people think idealism is dead. It was an interesting concept that was killed by the successes of science, which are evidence for physicalism. I feel like any introduction to make Hegel broadly interesting needs to cover the current status of idealism. So, I wanted to cover Hoffman's The Case Against Reality as an example of the new scientific idealism that has been making a comeback. Arguments for idealism from the cognitive neuroscience space make the most sense for PhS but I figured I'd briefly cover other non-physicalist ontologies coming out of physics ("It From Bit," Tegmark's mathematical ontology, etc.). Hegel has also had a resurgence as of late in cognitive neuroscience and biology, particularly biosemiotics and information theoretic approaches to biology (partly through his influence on Peirce) and this can be tied in.
This sounds interesting, and you don't have to take hundreds of hours to do it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:08:09 2022 No.20702062
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>>20701692
The ‘brain body mismatch’ thing is a shorthand way of explaining a complicated process. As near as doctors can tell, a combination of genetic factors and an abnormal surge of hormones in the womb causes feminization or masculinization of the part of the brain responsible for knowing what sexed organs the body should have. This then leads to first, a subconscious ‘opposite’ sex identification, then eventually an open ‘opposite’ sex identification and a desire to undergo medical interventions to enable the transsexual to live as the sex their brain demands. This is why the APA renamed the diagnosis for transsexuality, since it’s a medical problem and not a psychological one (except insofar as psychological distress arises from transsexuals being forced to live as their birth sex and from society’s prejudice against transsexuals).
>>20701765
>>20701795
See pic related, Money’s perverted experiments were ideologically anti-trans and were debunked by biologist Milton Diamond.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 16:08:10 2022 No.20702063 >>20696525 I really enjoyed hos videos about cicero

>>	Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 Tue Jul 19 16:10:07 2022 No.20702084 >>20696525 Hotep, brothers and sisters in the struggle. He’s right about the JQ and rightly pointed out the Holocaust wasn’t as bad as the genocides in Africa.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 18:17:34 2022 No.20702769

>>20701354
I'm genuinely embarrassed for you and for myself for being right wing and associated with this level of pseudetry. And you thought this was profound enough to make a thread with this as OP?

Even if we take most of your premises as a given, the entire conclusion requires that we already hold that trans-women are not men. You might as well have just said:

>Men =\= Women, trans-women are men and so they are not women

Rather than waste space on the other stuff. Look up "begging the question."

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 18:21:04 2022 No.20702799 >>20701493 IDK, how did the first homo sapiens come to be? It couldn't have been by sexual union between a human male and a human female, because then they wouldn't be the first.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 18:57:51 2022 No.20702985 >>20698291 Lol. Looks like you hit the nail on the head based on the amount of seething in response to this post.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 19:00:22 2022 No.20703001 >>20702985 ok groomer

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 19:07:08 2022 No.20703030 >>20702062 Lol ywnbaw. 42%

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 19:45:34 2022 No.20703173 >>20701187 >I decide whether or not a philosophy prof. Is shit or not based entirely on their explanation of aristotles categories m, and this guy is an aggressive 3/10. Who's your 10/10?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 21:59:31 2022 No.20703808 >>20703173 Me. Or Charles Peirce.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:20:02 2022 No.20703913 >build up small amount of trust with a "trans ally" normie woman >guiltily shares 5 different stories about being sexually harassed and assaulted by trannies

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:29:51 2022 No.20703970
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>>20701523
>So plenty of them can, in fact.
No they can't, xir. And the ones that are slightly feminine looking only remain that way for a couple years. Then they turn as haggard as the rest. But even at their best you can always spot the man hands, man shoulders, warped man voice, man pheromones etc. They will quite literally NEVER be women. Cope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:31:35 2022 No.20703977 File: 643 KB, 2340x1271, 6B8562F1-E0F0-4EC7-94B7-8BA4774AA1B3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20703001

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:32:01 2022 No.20703978

>>20701523
I like how this kind of lying actually just hurts the people you're trying to defend by further insulating them in comforting delusions.
>I-I'll pass! I know I will! Just another 5 years of "voice training" on Youtube as a fat brown man!

Even famous trannies selected to be representatives of the movement, with ample money for surgeries that literally shave parts of your jaw bone off to make you more of a girl, still look like men. It's a fucking fag cult for anime masturbators, dude. You are in a cult.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:33:55 2022 No.20703987 >>20703030 >>20703970 You guys are like a poorly programmed chatbot, but without the novelty of broken English. Do you have any capacity for original thought?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:35:12 2022 No.20703992 >>20703987 >Women can have penises >"No they can't" >Real original response!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:36:25 2022 No.20704002 >>20703987 Their thought is entirely original. Yours is just regurgitation of your socialization.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:38:31 2022 No.20704016

>>20703978
>famous trannies selected to be representatives of the movement, with ample money for surgeries that literally shave parts of your jaw bone off to make you more of a girl, still look like men
A little bit of inside baseball for you: few to no trans people who pass have any interest in being spokespeople for ‘the movement.’ Who wants to get screeched at by 20,000 obnoxious seething babytrans twitter clowns all day for the high crime of refusing to defend ‘catgender’ as a valid identity? Nobody. Thus most trans activists in the public eye are the unpassable trannies who need trans acceptance to live something approximating a normal life. That and the occasional Hollywood celeb who’s already stuck being screeched at by twitter weirdos anyways, like Hunter Schafer. The average passing trans person quietly goes about their post-transition life and stays 1,000,000 miles away from the ‘community’.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:40:24 2022 No.20704024 >>20701338 They will never be truly happy if they have to be coddled. Better to let them struggle on for existence like the rest of us. You are yourself and your circumstances.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:40:50 2022 No.20704028

>>20704016
Yes the elusive invisible secret trannies who pass, that's the real answer to your tranny death cult dilemma. Instead of leaving the cult, just join the super secret cult within the cult, where all the REAL trannies are!

How about you just leave the fucking cult? If you have to throw 99.99999% of your fellow trannies under the bus to defend being a tranny, maybe being a tranny is just being a gay weirdo in drag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:44:36 2022 No.20704044 File: 415 KB, 1920x1080, roadwarrior1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just define the genders and let there be an end to the horror

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:45:18 2022 No.20704046 File: 2.81 MB, 380x284, 1633509397495.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20703987 You can't gaslight me, sis. They will never be women and you need to cope. This is all getting very desperate and sad.

Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:46:26 2022 No.20704051

>>20700941
no they haven't. if you think this, you ignorantly believe your subculture is permanent and eternal, and are ignorant of these historical things. the origins of homosexuality as we know it come from psychiatry, the concept of sexuality, and the taxonomisation of sexuality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:49:34 2022 No.20704064 >>20697834 >get your shots! Even worse than the content of his tweet

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 22:49:50 2022 No.20704065 File: 138 KB, 1074x343, 1658206210811247.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20699884 Speaking of the 41%, /pol/ was having fun with Wikipedia's new article on "Transgender Genocide" last night.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 23:05:59 2022 No.20704129 >>20704028 What cult? I live and work as an average mid 20s woman with no hassle, I have a nice job, good friends, etc. Why is my life bad exactly? Because you think it is? Why should I care what you think? You don’t seem very special to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 19 23:31:40 2022 No.20704242 File: 31 KB, 189x352, her penis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20704129 >I live and work as a >as Keyword. NTA--just stay away from the kids and we won't have a problem.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 00:20:54 2022 No.20704449

>>20699254
>Homosexuals are hit and miss. If they were "just gay," it would be fine by me. I don't even mind if they're a bit flamboyant or different. But they are being used by larger forces to promote the aforementioned decadence, in the same way black people's cultural problems are being exacerbated to promote degeneracy.
The fun part is that the "just gay" people are also completely silenced. Representation everywhere except for people that don't fit in the ideology.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 00:49:45 2022 No.20704566

>>20704242
I’m not sure you really understand what that preposition means. And frankly kids deserve to know what being trans is that transition is an option, if I’d been properly educated on it I would have gotten to live a bunch more years as myself and be even more well-adjusted. It’s a rare thing but it’s straightforward to understand, any idiot can figure out if they want bobs and vagene or beard and benis. There’s plenty of psychological gatekeeping to screen out that rare dumb kid who does get confused.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 00:54:58 2022 No.20704586

>>20701354
This is what happens when you use different words for different purposes. From what I understand, most trans women want to be women as in "being recognized as women in most/all social interactions", and "having a body that fits with their image of what a woman is". You, on the other hand, use a different definition for women. I don't know what it is precisely, but let's go with "can give birth". The issue would disappear if "being recognized as women in most/all social interactions" was called "stealthy crossdresser" and "having a body that fits with their image of what a woman is" was called "not suffering from gender dysphoria/body dysmorphia".
So the crux of the issue is that people are adding a meaning to a word and you don't agree. That's not something you can solve by logic.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 01:04:02 2022 No.20704636
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>>20704566
>And frankly kids deserve to know what being trans is that transition is an option, if I’d been properly educated
Projecting your demented headcanon onto innocent children and trying to force your linguistical nonsense into law is why no one will have sympathy for you in the end. The simple truth is you're defective, your mind is sick, and you've dehumanized yourself more than any hate-motivated person possibly could. Liberals will abandon you as soon as they realize trannies were a bridge too far and all you'll be left with is screaming "her penis" into the void.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 02:03:55 2022 No.20704869
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>>20704566
>And frankly kids deserve to know what being trans is that transition is an option
Just a couple posts in and you reveal yourself as an actual groomer. Wew. The memes were right all along. Anon the cultural pendulum isn't going to be as it currently is for long. In fact it'll change in your lifetime. You ready?

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 02:14:57 2022 No.20704904

>>20704869
nta but trying to suppress the existence of gender diverse people won't make them disappear or 'protect' children from their influence. correct me if I'm wrong but the push to include LGBTQ education in schools has always been about decreasing gender/sexuality based bullying. the idea that educating children on these issues will turn them gay/trans is just a revival of gay panic hysteria. children still aren't allowed to get surgery or undergo hormone therapy, are they? furthermore, studies show that the majority of pedophiles are straight men. you're just projecting your own prejudices.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 02:51:09 2022 No.20705028

>>20704904
>trying to suppress the existence of gender diverse people
Gender dysphoria affects <1% of the population.
>'protect' children from their influence
Sexualizing everything, including children, and preaching mental gymnatics in place of teaching kids they should respect someone based on their inherent humanity is evil. Simple as.
>has always been about decreasing gender/sexuality based bullying
No. It's endgame is utopian nonsense that doesn't live in reality. Hence being surprised when sexual predators show up at Drag Queen Story Hour. If it were just about not bullying people they wouldn't have to mandate things under the penalty of law and engage in character assassination when criticized.
>gay panic hysteria
Moral panic hysteria. Hence mob tactics to supress dissent and bullshit "academic" language games like "Transgender genocide" (>>20704065)
>children still aren't allowed to get surgery or undergo hormone therapy, are they?
That's exactly what's going on now.
>studies show that the majority of pedophiles are straight men
No. Studies show that homosexual men are dramaticly represented in crimes relating to pedophilia. (That's even if you fail to take into account "statutory rape" being classified in with other sex crimes relating to children--subtracting that population really underscores just how much of a problem the gay community has when it comes to pedophila).
>you're just projecting your own prejudices
You aren't living in reality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 02:52:56 2022 No.20705033 >>20705028 >dramaticly represented over-represented*.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 03:26:02 2022 No.20705153

>>20704566
>And frankly kids deserve to know what being trans is that transition is an option
Yeah you keep going around telling kids about chopping their dicks off, I think the general cultural reaction to you doing this may supply the other 60% to your self-inflicted 40% within the next decade or so

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 03:33:37 2022 No.20705185

>>20704904
>correct me if I'm wrong but the push to include LGBTQ education in schools has always been about decreasing gender/sexuality based bullying.
You're wrong. It's about setting up the next voting block. They want to ideologically influence children as young as possible, in order to build up their cultural influence in later years. It's ruthless strategy, masking itself as public concern. A lot of these teachers are childless, and have become miserable due to not fulfilling their biological imperative (this is especially true of women). So they want to "raise" other children as their own, like some kind of generative act by proxy. Each trans kid is "their" child now too. Never mind the fact that an insanely inordinate number of them are legit predators. Never mind the epidemic levels of Munchausen in women that all of this is also hinting at. You're wrong.

Normies are going to switch up big time on all of this eventually. Just fyi. I wouldn't be in a rush to champion it in public if I were you.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 03:37:04 2022 No.20705198

>>20705153
>Normies are going to switch up big time on all of this eventually
>>20705153
>I think the general cultural reaction to you doing this may supply the other 60% to your self-inflicted 40% within the next decade or so

i dont like trannies but this is cope. muh day of le rope fantasies / accelerationism have gone nowhere....it's clear that things can and probably will just continue to get worse

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 03:52:13 2022 No.20705254
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>>20705198
>i dont like trannies but this is cope.
Not really. Normies don't even know about MAPs. They don't know the daily-lived horrors of genital surgery for "trans" people. They don't know the predation rates of same-sex male couples who adopt. They don't know much of anything. You think they're informed and agreeing with it, but they're still in the dark about almost all of it and agreeing with the propaganda. If culture swings over far enough to where some real truth starts to come to light, things will get interesting. Never be too pessimistic, memes shape the world. They want you to feel downtrodden and defeated, like there's nothing you can do. That's all bullshit. It's a magician's slight of hand. Don't fall for it.
>it's clear that things can and probably will just continue to get worse
Not saying it won't. But Weimar years eventually ended, and this shall end in time as well. Very likely we shall live to see those days.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:02:04 2022 No.20705274

>>20705198
Fuck off with your demotivational bullshit; resisting evil has always been part of a forever war. The fact fags and libtards ignore this while trying to build a utopia through a supression of thought and forcing linguistic dissonance through the power of law should be a huge tell any form of natural law isn't on their side. They have to force the narrative and sow disorder because they can't win the real battle of ideas.

Libtards are literally undermining themselves by promoting based on identity instead of competence. Public trust in media has never been lower. Promoting the idea that all is already lost is based on nothing but bullshit propaganda and buying into the liberal hubris that tells them they have the highground and have already won. That's the real cope.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:04:00 2022 No.20705278 >>20696525 I lost all respect for him after he made that passive-aggressive video complaining that people were giving him feedback and suggestions. Unbelievably petty.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:10:40 2022 No.20705291

>>20705278
I think it's just boomer+autism. I've seen this before, the seed of it is something about how they're interpreting "reading text on the internet"

When you or I read text we unconsciously situate it within an internet milieu, we have slightly different rules for internet text and real life communication. Some boomers lack this because their mind automatically translates all text back to visceral "guy standing in front of me, saying it to me" imagery. You and I unconsciously have a high threshold of tolerance for idiosyncrasy online (spelling errors, weird "tone" etc) because our minds are used to processing and reducing text from ESLs and autists to its basic informational content, but Sadler is trying to picture a full human being every time he reads text.

So if some checked out ESL goes
>Hi mr Sadler Just clarifying what edition should I use?
Greg's mind goes
>Ranjeep, first of all, I'm a doctor of philosophy, so please show respect for my title. Second, I answered that question at 1:37:32 of part 2 of chapter 5 of this series, in 2018. Are you even paying attention?
whereas we would have a much wider latitude of tolerance for Ranjeep's idiosyncrasy, reflexively assuming he's retarded or started watching the videos out of order or who cares really, just give him the info or don't. Greg wants Ranjeep to be his fully human friend and shake hands with him

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:34:25 2022 No.20705340 >>20705274 >>20705254 >Very likely we shall live to see those days. you two should hold your breath until this happens

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:36:20 2022 No.20705341 >>20705340 This is what people used to say to me in 2010 when I said that there was going to be a backlash against multiculturalism and progressivism This is Weimar, enjoy the ride

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:37:03 2022 No.20705343 >>20705254 >They want you to feel downtrodden and defeated, like there's nothing you can do But that's exactly what you're doing; nothing.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:39:44 2022 No.20705349

>>20705341
>enjoy the ride
don't you find that a capitulatory stance to adopt? Just wait for the happening, it's definitely coming, two more weeks.....meanwhile continue shitposting on 4chan and acting very above it all. Once things go far enough suddenly everyone will change their views and agree with me. If critical race theory doesn't catalyze this, drag queen story hour surely will

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:41:20 2022 No.20705352 >>20705343 i'm making fun of trannies on 4chan, that has to mean something!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:45:13 2022 No.20705366 >>20705340 >>20705349 Stop acting like a fuckin beta. >>20705343 >But that's exactly what you're doing; nothing. That's why they're panicking and setting up speech rails all over the place now, -- because talking is "nothing". Sure.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 04:55:57 2022 No.20705391

>>20705349
Have you switched from concern trolling to fedbaiting? You wouldn't be doing either, or bothering at all with this, if you weren't in agreement that the (completely normal, widespread, and inevitable) hatred of trannies today is growing, not waning. Congrats on being the shit sandwich that even normies and millennial women couldn't swallow and had to draw the line at.

I told you, maybe ten years ago "lmao we're boiling the frog on you!!" would have made me feel something. Even in 2016 I was pretty cautious, I was the one saying don't let this minor inconvenience you've inflicted on the deep state go to your heads, and sure enough Trump was absorbed by the neocon system. But the crisis is too deep and not even that stopped the process that is still going.

At this point I'm only worried about the people who use you as a pawn flying off to their bunkers when the world gets serious again. But I know for a fact you and the other useful idiot pawns will be cut loose and left to fend for yourselves, whether in an area turning fanatically conservative, or in some trendy suburb of London that looks like a scene from that movie Children of Men, or in a collapsing Portland or California shithole filled with CHAZ rape dens which your favored politicians are still justifying even when they come for you.

You think the world is going to get more liberal, more progressive, in the 2030s? There are still many losing scenarios for "my side," but you are the cannon fodder for your side even in all those scenarios.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:08:24 2022 No.20705433

>>20705391
lol, go look at the GOP share of the vote in under 55s, this is wishful thinking to the point of being delusional.

The GOP has not received more votes in a national election in a third of a century, except for a win we got with an incumbency earned in an election where we had fewer votes.

The problem is the populism and honestly, people like you, retarded plebs shouting /pol/ slogans. We got 4.5 million less votes and followed that up by losing by 7.5 million and we are going to run the same loser again because the plebs care more about feel feels and drama than policy. Our party was always the party of merit, the best leading, which generally meant the government getting out of the way. No it's a party of pleb populists raging at whatever Tucker tells them too.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:10:14 2022 No.20705439

>>20705391
>fedbaiting?
predictible.....question the failing accelerationist model and you're a glowie. none of the historical events you're referencing happened spontaneously after people sat on their hands complaining for long enough. they required action.
>Congrats on being the shit sandwich that even normies and millennial women couldn't swallow and had to draw the line at.
not a tranny, and not as optimistic that they will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. is that REALLY your interpretation of their reception by western society? i think that would require you to be very echo-chambered
>CHAZ rape dens
thank you for reminding me of this that was a very funny moment
>You think the world is going to get more liberal, more progressive, in the 2030s
i dont fucking know, but if I do my best to extrapolate the current trend of this stupid culture war I really don't see how, with their current strategy, conservates are going to be very successful. i think that moldbug piece "you can only lose the culture war"is proving true

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:13:33 2022 No.20705456

>>20705433
You really think minorities like all this shit? They're using you, stupid. How do you think all those Muslim immigrants feel about you really? What do you think is going to happen to your ilk if you keep bringing them in? Have you thought none of this through?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:19:03 2022 No.20705473 >>20705439 Blackpills are glorified sissy hypno for pseuds, gtfo. You're the one who really thinks he's "above it all". No man wants to listen to mopey rock kickers. This isn't just a culture war, it's an energy war.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:20:23 2022 No.20705475

>>20705433
Who gives a fuck about the GOP? Any number of outcomes could happen, many of which involve splintering or appropriation of existing structures like the GOP, some of which involve balkanization of the United States. Look at the idiot Democrats who were wargaming extraconstitutional "emergency measures" just prior to the 2020 election. Look at how the deep state is simultaneously overreaching and brittle and confused, its own footsoldiers like trannies and minorities and women are attacking it from the inside because they took the propaganda too seriously.

The only people "winning" right now are people whose sole goal is a total collapse, who knows if groups like that even exist or it's all semi-retarded corrupt Biden types all the way up and down the system. As I said, there are failure scenarios for my side, at least in the short and medium term. But there are no victory conditions at all for tranny utopia, since tranny utopia was never a real scenario, only mid-2000s propaganda for total fucking retards whose job it was to destabilize their countries and cultures.

>>20705439
There's no such thing as "conservatives." Action is already taking place in a negative sense, as the managerial class implodes on itself and reveals that it never had any long term strategy, all the technocrats at the top were relying on the mid-level minions to run shit for them and all the mid-level minions were chugging their own koolaid about tranny utopias and turning themselves into retards.

The deep state actually consumed its own propaganda about women and minorities being just as capable and capable of centripetal force within institutions as the white men who created the institutions. Now all of these vital power centers are filled to brimming with confused middle managers with fat asses and stick-on nails. Nobody knows what the fuck is going on anymore.

You should read Baudrillard's "In the Shadow of Silent Majorities." You are not dealing with petit bourgeois classes who can be propagandized to in the yellow press anymore, you are dealing with a managerial class made up of pothead 80IQ average mixed race retards and childless women on three different prescriptions just to continue doing nothing at their fake job at a fake company on corporate welfare. The sheer inertia of this congealed mass of normalized psychotic retards can't be talked into changing its "public opinion," it will just crack up and turn half the planet into CHAZes and the other half into semi-functional breakaway societies trying to survive.

Fuck conservatives, you have to start thinking in much more barbarian categories if you want to see what our lifetimes are going to look like.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:29:36 2022 No.20705507

>>20705473
dont think im really blackpilled anon. not all dissent is cynicism
>>20705475
>Fuck conservatives, you have to start thinking in much more barbarian categories if you want to see what our lifetimes are going to look like.
very true, i hesitated to say conservatives, as i was writing i was thinking of the elves and dwarves evoked in moldbugs culture war essay, and the inadequacy of america's pathological reductionism and dichotomous thinking
>you are dealing with a managerial class made up of pothead 80IQ average mixed race retards and childless women on three different prescriptions just to continue doing nothing at their fake job at a fake company on corporate welfare.
we seem to agree on the unsustainability of this, all i was saying before was that i am sceptical that the fallout from this will be catalyzed by, or eventually characterized by, cultural issues and not economic ones
>Baudrillard's "In the Shadow of Silent Majorities."
ill look into it

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 05:43:48 2022 No.20705543

>>20705507
There is no America at this point. I highly recommend Ezra Pound's essays. America was running on inertia as early as the 1870s. Prior to that it was a real country with distinctness and both a yeomanry and elite capable (in theory) of sustaining its distinctness, after that it becomes a behemoth picked apart by money interests and eventually used as a base by New York Jews (later Los Angeles Jews when they set up their predatory pornographic Hollywood mafia) and other opportunists. As its people were turned into serfs and ownership of land and means of production went from 90% to 0% from 1900 to 2000, the piety and duty of the residual WASP elites was used to turn them into a kind of servitor class, actually run by the self-selected big business elites at the top, half drawn from the cream of the WASPs, half from Jews, nowadays a mix of those and internationals.

It's like talking about "Rome" in 200AD. Rome as an actual distinct entity was sick and shitting itself to death 350 years before that. "Rome" in 200AD was a headless husk, at best it was a husk in which interesting people could find little corners and do interesting things, but this necessarily existed side by side with proverbial levels of depravity and mass mental degeneration, spiritual orientalization and proletarianization. America is exactly the same.

This is why prescient people like Lasch, Francis, and the Southern Agrarians were trying to create a narrative that the South had a distinct agrarian identity that could be used as a social base to cast off the decadence of the Northern financial tyranny, and cause some kind of cultural renewal program. Instead they got Reagan and the 90s-00s uniparty.

America or a chunk of America could still become a social republic in the sense of the Marx and Engels of the 1840s-1850s, but anyone thinking this is the "death throes of capitalism" in the sense that some touchy feely post-national world is going to emerge from it is delusional. Tribal affiliations are all that's going to matter, we're about to go through an Egyptian Intermediate Period worth of shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 06:00:46 2022 No.20705575 >>20703808 >Charles Peirce The guy from the 19th century? If so, what do you recommend me reading of his?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 08:37:56 2022 No.20705946 >>20701195 What do if ugly?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 08:41:16 2022 No.20705958 >>20699900 >What do you expect the man to do? Stone him to death, as God commands

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 11:01:18 2022 No.20706260 >>20697834 If I were him I'd stop identifying as the tranny's father

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 15:04:53 2022 No.20707067 What is the go-to translation for Hegel's Works? Should I just start with Spirit or is there something I need to know beforehand? I rather read the work first before I let some secondary influence me on it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 15:59:59 2022 No.20707265
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>>20696525
Did he learn how to remove noise in audacity yet?
I hate people who can't spend 5-10 minutes editing their video just to make it not have SHSHSHSHSHHSHSHS in the background.
Buy a good microphone if you're a professor and your career is recording videos you fuck.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 16:00:31 2022 No.20707269

>>20705028
> Gender dysphoria affects <1% of the population.
And? About as many people have AIDS as have gender dysphoria, but AIDS is also a standard part of middle/high school sex education.
> Sexualizing everything, including children
GD can onset as early as 3. It has nothing to do with ‘sexualization.’ Also I hate to break it to you but adolescents aren’t children, and when we don’t explain things like safe sex, STDs, being a homo, etc to them, guess what? They still have sex with each other. They just also get pregnant and get chlamydia and bully kids who are gay and trans because they don’t understand that those kids are a normal variation of humanity. I’m sorry that your puritanical school district didn’t give you comprehensive sex ed but it’s just something that teenagers need.
Inb4
>b-but they have a sex ed curriculum for grade-schoolers!
Yes, there’s curriculum on the basics of puberty for older kids (by 6th grade many will have started puberty), and curriculum on bad touches and avoiding getting molested/abused for younger children. Do you support child molestation?
> That's exactly what's going on now
Children have to undergo a comprehensive psychological exam to get puberty blockers, and then be on them for 2 years in order to get hormones. This is all only done for pubescent children btw, since prepubescents don’t need hormones. The only surgical procedure available to minors is mastectomy for FtM transsexuals, and that is only available after the age of 16 and with both the surgeon and a psychologist signing off on it. Here are the WPATH guidelines that all trans healthcare providers follow:
https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc
>you aren’t living in reality
Your definition of ‘reality’ is ‘anonymous posts on /pol/ with no attribution or sources.’

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 16:22:46 2022 No.20707365
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>>20707269
>And?
The point was about "suppressing their existence," retard. Also, since you decided to slide: homosexuals and trannies are more likely to get AIDS and spread parasites. Pic-related. Let's teach that.
>Also I hate to break it to you but adolescents aren’t children
I hate to break it down for you but we aren't talking about adolescents. Nice strawman. You're not stopping the spread of disease by normalizing sexual hedonism and centering sexual identity as the most important aspect of someone's personality, faggot.
>bully kids who are gay and trans because they don’t understand that those kids are a normal variation of humanity
Always the poor victims. You aren't normal.
>Inb4 b-but they have a sex ed curriculum for grade-schoolers!
Strawman. I'm not against sex education. Cope.
>Do you support child molestation?
Faggots are over-represented as pedophiles and MAPS are part of your community. Also, nice projecton; it's pretty telling that you digressed into an extended rant about touching children (you probably came a little).
>Children have to undergo a comprehensive psychological exam to get puberty blockers...sperg sperg sperg
Don't care. Stop grooming kids.
>Your definition of ‘reality’ is ‘anonymous posts on /pol/ with no attribution or sources.’
Your definition of reality is headcanon and verbal gymnastics in order to justify forcing people to say "her penis." Also, stop being so afraid of /pol/ you crying faggot. Kek.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 16:44:36 2022 No.20707470
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>>20707365
>homosexuals and trannies are more likely to get AIDS
That’s a standard part of the curriculum. Have you ever like, actually looked at health curriculum? I actually teach 9th grade health as part of my job (it’s farmed out to my subject area at my high school).
>we aren't talking about adolescents
We are though. That’s the age at which kids actually learn what being gay or trans is beyond ‘David has two mommies and Sally has two daddies’ and ‘sometimes boys become girls and girls become boys.’ Again, your knowledge of actual existing classroom curriculum is appalling. You have no idea what you’re talking about. I can show you some state content standards if you’d like.
>You aren't normal
You can seethe about it all you like, but we’re a normal part of human variation.
>MAPS are part of your community
Objectively untrue, you fell for your own psyops lol.
>it's pretty telling that you digressed into an extended rant about touching children (you probably came a little).
Yeah you’re the only one associating child molestation and orgasms weirdo. Very amusing that you accuse me of projection and then write something like that. BTW most heterosexuals support grooming as long as the child is a teenage boy and the groomer is a straight woman. (>>20703977) The straight community is truly disgusting.
>stop grooming kids
The only person advocating for grooming kids here is you. You just want to groom innocent gay and trans kids to be ‘normal’ with no regard for their long term health and happiness because your ape brain has an atavistic hatred for all that is unfamiliar to you.
>Your definition of reality is headcanon
My definition of reality is material. It is a simple fact of human biology that sex is malleable, especially with the tools of modern medicine. You blind yourself to that reality in the name of ‘normality,’ which in reality is just your own superstition. A ‘headcanon’ we might call it. I won’t bother to comment a second time about how you claimed that I was ‘projecting.’
>crying faggot
Oh boy, another thing that totally isn’t projection.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 16:51:51 2022 No.20707504 >>20705575 Honestly, his work on semiotics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 16:56:36 2022 No.20707519 >>20707365 >Giardia lamblia >gives you diarrhea for a few days and then clears up Don't care, still eating women's asses.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 17:36:54 2022 No.20707658

>>20707470
>That’s a standard part of the curriculum.
You don't link it to hedonistic lifestyles and normalize it as a natural outcome of sexual activity. I noticed you ignored the parasites. Kek.
>We are though.
No. You're expanding the scope of the argument so you don't have to address the actual criticisms that were made. It's a common trait of ideologues who don't want their core beliefs brought under criticism. There's a clear difference between talking to sexually active teenagers about the physical realities of sex and forcing grade schoolers to choose their gender on a daily bases. Further, the characterization of sex isn't promoted in a way that's individualized toward understanding the personal emotional connection such entails (and that specific element's link to mental health and stability). Basically, you gloss over risks (and promote bandaid solutions) while normalizing extreme cases of behavior through rhetoric and ideological indoctrination.
>Again, your knowledge of actual existing classroom curriculum is appalling. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Instead of discussing childhood hormone therapy and the damage done to impressionable youth, you slide into cherry-picked specifics from whichever sexual education curriculum is most palatable in terms of general discussion. You then focus solely on that as if it's the entirety of the conversation at hand while projecting a bunch of nonsequitur arguments toward a caricature of a chud.
>Objectively untrue
Objectively true. Homosexuals are overrepresented as pedophiles. Your community won't own that reality and engage in mental gymnastics relating to your own victimhood. That's the truth. Cope.
>The straight community is truly disgusting.
Yeah, it's great we have someone like you teaching children. Thanks for the colour show, faggot.
>You just want to groom innocent gay and trans kids to be ‘normal’
It's a well-established fact that abuse breeds abuse (i.e. someone who has been molested as a youth has a higher likelihood of becoming a pedophile themselves). I don't care how you became a homo or why you're mentally ill--just stay away from small children. Imagine thinking it's cool to take young children to pride events full of people handing out cock lollipops and naked men having simulated (and something unsimulated) sex with one another in public. That's the reality. Own it faggot.
>My definition of reality is material.
It's ideological.
> It is a simple fact of human biology that sex is malleable, especially with the tools of modern medicine.
See. A key part of ideological indoctrination is maintaining malleability through vagueness and claiming a root of scientific fact. Reality is that there are gender norms evident in our closest animal cousins but you project your own theory-laden ideal in order to ignore these facts and amplify ambiguities (which are more subject to fringe theory and nebulous scaffolding).

Keep crying.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 18:26:44 2022 No.20707872

>>20707658
>normalize it as a natural outcome of sexual activity
We actively warn students to use safe sex practices in order to protect against it.
> You're expanding the scope of the argument so you don't have to address the actual criticisms that were made
Well you criticized things that don’t actually exist. I’m just talking about reality, not your delusional fantasy world.
>forcing grade schoolers to choose their gender on a daily bases
This, for example, does not happen. You made it up.
>Further, the characterization of sex isn't blah blah blah
The characterization of sex presented in a safe sex focused curriculum is as an intimate activity to be carefully considered as part of a partnered relationship, when a person feels emotionally ready for it. I have no idea what religious gobbledygook you’d rather have me teach.
>Basically, you gloss over risks (and promote bandaid solutions)
If anything we exaggerate the risks, since teenagers are prone to underestimate them. Or are you really going to pretend that birth control, condoms, committed relationships, and std testing are ’bandaid solutions?’ What solutions do you suggest we should be promoting in their place?
>Instead of discussing childhood hormone therapy
Again, that isn’t a real thing. You have made that up. I linked you the guidelines for WPATH, nowhere in the standards of care does it have any protocols for hormone therapy for children. Just for pubescent adolescents. The only children who ever receive hormonal therapy are cis children who suffer from precocious puberty, which is entirely unrelated to trans medicine.
>You then focus solely on that as if it's the entirety of the conversation
Correct. I refuse to discuss your bizarre fantasies with you, that’s your therapist’s job. I’m here to talk about real life.
>Homosexuals are overrepresented as pedophiles
And? The true proportion of straight pedos to gay ones is 11:1. Should we draw the conclusion that straight men should never be left alone with children, given their clear propensity for child rape? I would say no, because child molesters are a tiny minority of straight men, and so it would be unfair to judge them as a group instead of as individuals.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/
> I don't care how you became a homo
Both being gay and being trans are caused by combination of genetic factors and womb hormonal environment. This is why gay and lesbian people and trans people have odd cross sex properties; gay men are more likely to have female digit ratios, indicating high womb estrogen levels, lesbians vice versa. Brain scan studies also show partial feminization and masculinization of different brain structures in gays and transes. This is why the biologist Milton Diamond theorized that sexual orientation is fixed at birth and biological, and that transsexuality was the result of an intersex condition of the brain.
https://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2015to2019/2016-transsexualism.html

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 18:37:54 2022 No.20707927

>>20707658
>>20707872
> Reality is that there are gender norms evident in our closest animal cousins
Homosexuality is also evident in those animals. Or is your position that animal behavior should only guide our understanding of humans when it suits your agenda? I also feel obliged to point out that our closest animal cousins are social animals, so there’s no real contradiction between the idea that gender roles are socially constructed and the fact that apes have them. Further still, your claim that gender roles in apes means humans should strictly abide by certain gender roles that you feel are beneficial begs the question, why? Apes rape and murder each other, are you suggesting that we should accept such behavior as moral and correct just because our closest animal cousins do it? In summary, you accuse me of ideology, but every claim you make is so steeped in layers and layers of it that your criticism comes off as absurd. For all your talk of ‘theory laden ideals,’ you engage in quite a bit of theorizing.
>keep crying
You keep claiming I’m upset by your submental babble, but I don’t see any evidence of that. Perhaps you’re crying because a tranny is revealing your pseud nature to you, and projecting your own discomfort onto me? Or maybe your bloated ego has led you to assume that I must find you upsetting.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 19:08:44 2022 No.20708054
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>>20707872
>warn students to use safe sex practices
Do you want a medal? Again, you ignore the most important part of the criticism: centering/over-amplifying (a politicized) sexual identity as character-defining, normalizing extreme sexual behaviour without linking them to extreme outcomes, and failing to emphasize individuals' emotional aspect of sex in favor of normalizing the idea of "fun." You don't protect against STDs and harm to mental health by paying lip service through false narratives.
>Well you criticized things that don’t actually exist
Gee, it's awfully convenient when an ideologue can just claim something doesn't exist instead of meeting the criticism head-on. What did I say that doesn't exist? Because...
>You made it up
Nope. There was a tranny grade school teacher in the US who had children choose their gender daily basis.
>The characterization of sex presented in a safe sex focused curriculum is as an intimate activity to be carefully considered as part of a partnered relationship, when a person feels emotionally ready for it.
Kek. Did you regurgitate that out of your official manual? See first point.
>I have no idea what religious gobbledygook you’d rather
You're the ideologue. Cool that you direct hate towards religion though. Again, that's for the colour show.
>Or are you really going to pretend
Again, ignoring that actual criticism and begging the question.
>Just for pubescent adolescents.
AKA children. Another trait of ideologues is the attempt to monopolize semantics to prevent criticism from reaching their ideological core and redefine such in their own terms so it can be dismissed instead of discussed. "THEY AREN'T KIDS! THEY'RE PREPUBESCENT ADOLESCENTS!" Listen to yourself for fuck's sake.
>I refuse to discuss your bizarre fantasies with you
A tranny refusing to discuss "bizarre fantasies." Oh, the irony!
>proportion of straight pedos to gay ones is 11:1. Should we draw the conclusion that straight men should never be left alone with children, given their clear propensity for child rape?
Again, homos are overrepresented as pedophiles. The population of homosexuals is much smaller than straight men. Statistically speaking, if I select a random straight man on the street he is far less likely to be a pedo than a random homosexual. That's the reality.
>This is why the biologist Milton Diamond
The guy who created and popularized your conceptualization of gender identity was a pedophilia advocate who forced a sexual reassignment surgery on a child who later killed himself. He also had children simulate sexual activities with one another and took photographs. In short, you're views on gender aren't based on fact and I'll repeat the same criticism again since you failed to meet it:
>gender norms evident in our closest animal cousins but you project your own theory-laden ideal in order to ignore these facts and amplify ambiguities (which are more subject to fringe theory and nebulous scaffolding).

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 19:15:59 2022 No.20708104

>>20707927
>Homosexuality is also evident in those animals.
Never said it wasn't and I stopped reading right there. My guess is that you're going to ignore the actual reason that was brought up (i.e. that patterns of behavior related to sex exist) and project a strawman that characterizes what I was saying as should behave just like animals do. The point is that your ideological conceptualization of "gender" is nebulous and amplifies outliers at the expense of general patterns.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 19:19:11 2022 No.20708127 >>20696525 >Gregory B. Sadler Who?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 19:21:50 2022 No.20708145 File: 208 KB, 960x960, unclesbazooka.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20698399 Uncle is that you

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 22:13:32 2022 No.20709131 Mr. Sadler is a great teacher. People under 25 who consider themselves to be the other gender aren't to be taken too serious. Amazing how simple things can be.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 23:24:32 2022 No.20709493

>>20708054
> failing to emphasize individuals' emotional aspect of sex in favor of normalizing the idea of "fun."
Literally what are you talking about. That’s not what’s in sex Ed curricula. Pure fantasy.
> Gee, it's awfully convenient when an ideologue can just claim something doesn't exist instead of meeting the criticism head-on
If it existed, surely you would have some evidence of it.
> There was a tranny grade school teacher in the US who had children choose their gender daily basis.
Which is why you linked me an news article about it, right? Because it really happened exactly as you say it did?
> Did you regurgitate that out of your official manual? See first point.
No, I just summarized my understanding of my state’s content standards.
> You're the ideologue
Are you sure? You’re the one raving about things that don’t exist and citing examples for which you fail to provide proof. Note that I’ve linked you several peer reviewed publications and the standards of care of an international medical association, while you’ve cited exactly zero sources to back up your claims.
> "THEY AREN'T KIDS! THEY'RE PREPUBESCENT ADOLESCENTS!" Listen to yourself for fuck's sake.
I know that on top of being a histrionic ideologue, you’re also illiterate, but do read carefully. I wrote pubescent adolescents. Not pre-pubescent. You’ll note that in your own quote you got my wording correct. Your stupidity is endlessly entertaining.
>homos are overrepresented as pedophiles. The population of homosexuals is much smaller than straight men
So you tell me: if 11/12 pedophiles are straight, and straight men are 99% of the male population, then which group of men is doing the most of the kiddy diddling? I don’t think the average abused child gives a rats ass about this anodyne idpol issue of ‘overrepresentation’ you keep screeching about like a broken record.
>John Money invented gender identity
Money was fundamentally anti-transsexual, I have no idea why morons like you think that he’s even relevant to the discussion. Milton Diamond actually extensively critiqued Money, as was discussed here (>>20702062). If you want to actually find out about trans history and thinking then you should take a look into Magnus Hirschfeld and Harry Benjamin.
> I'll repeat the same criticism again since you failed to meet it
It was a very nebulous criticism. How does the existence of ‘gender norms’ in other species predetermine that humans should not change their gender exactly? Why should that even be evidence of anything? It seems like a rather naked and empty appeal to the naturalistic fallacy. What is natural is not always good, as I already discussed by way of replying to this specious ‘criticism.’
> The point is that your ideological conceptualization of "gender" is nebulous and amplifies outliers at the expense of general patterns.
How so? Why does mentioning the existence of outliers harm general patterns?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 23:27:14 2022 No.20709510 >>20709493 Hello, please define woman.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 23:29:44 2022 No.20709520 >>20698291 But trannies are autists

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 23:30:35 2022 No.20709523 >>20709493 John money was not anti-trans you delusional silly. You are equating one set of tranny ideology(that is neutrality at birth) with another(born in the wrong body) both are in favor of tranny mania.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 23:33:56 2022 No.20709543

>>20709493
>>20709523
In short you are attempting to control the debate by postulating only two actual theories. You retards van't even define the word woman and expect people to pretrnd the emperor is wearing clothes because you are narcissistic control freaks.

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 23:40:49 2022 No.20709567

>>20709510
>Woman (noun): adult human female
What were you expecting, exactly?
>>20709523
>neutrality at birth
>pro trans
How on earth is the idea that gender identity is entirely malleable pro trans? More importantly, do you think any trans person alive today would endorse such a theory?
> you are attempting to control the debate by postulating only two actual theories
If you have another theory you’re entirely welcome to talk about it. It’s hardly my fault that every seething poster on 4chan just mindlessly regurgitates Money as though he’s some sort of highly influential figure in trans politics. Very funny that you immediately leap to accusations of narcissism though, as though your hyperfixation on how normal you are and how abnormal transsexuals must be is not a much more straightforwardly and evident narcissistic one. It’s ironic that everything you accuse trans people of, you yourself are infinitely more guilty of doing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 23:46:10 2022 No.20709587 >>20697834 What’s the point in studying philosophy to just act the same and spout the same shit as everyone else?

Anonymous Wed Jul 20 23:55:49 2022 No.20709623

>>20709567
>How on earth is the idea that gender identity is entirely malleable pro trans?
when the guy thinks that men can be women.
There is nothing normal about hating your body so much that you want to mutilate it in order to become something that you are not. Atleast with that definition you admit that men can not be women. Now you'd have to explain how men can somehow "become" women via mutilation and for that I am eager to hear. My theory is just truth really. I don't have to go through mental gymnastics to justify some modern mania.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 23:57:06 2022 No.20709631 >>20709567 also, there is no difference between sex and gender, Money was one of the first to try and establish a difference through retarded theories.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 20 23:58:08 2022 No.20709637 >>20709567 Also, I forgot to ask another thing. Define Transwoman.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 00:02:17 2022 No.20709659 >>20709587 fear and delusion/peer-pressure

Anonymous Thu Jul 21 00:19:40 2022 No.20709727
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>>20709623
>My theory is just truth really. I don't have to go through mental gymnastics to justify some modern mania
That’s right anon! You’re so good at identifying those shadows on the wall. Maybe you should tell me more about how the sun obviously goes around the earth and how the earth is flat. My fancy mental gymnastics can’t defeat your folksy common sense!
>>20709637
Trans woman (phrase) an adult human female who was born male
This defining game is fun, I’d like to get in on the act. Define male and female for me.

Anonymous Thu Jul 21 00:25:10 2022 No.20709748

>>20709727
>Define male
of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.
>inb4 muh sterile
that would be a sterile male, funny how adjectives work.

Now, how can this become the opposite? Do transwomen produce ova, can they get pregnant naturally?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 00:27:58 2022 No.20709759 >>20709748 the best stuff Is when we can add stuff to my definition. Like how human males are characterized by their XY chromosome, penis and scrotum as well as typically developing facial hair at puperty

Anonymous Thu Jul 21 01:01:00 2022 No.20709896

>>20709748
>that would be a sterile male, funny how adjectives work
So how do you determine the sex of an organism that doesn’t produce gametes?
Hint hint, you might think that
>the best stuff Is when we can add stuff to my definition
But you actually want to take a hardline position that only chromosomes and birth genitalia matters. The second you start talking about the nitty gritty of human physiology like hormones and secondary sex characteristics, it’s over for you. Do you know that if you give properly medicated trans women ‘male’ doses of medications, you’ll overdose them? Funny how that works. You see, dear anonymous, sex chromosomes actually don’t do all that much. The Y chromosome specifically contains very few genes, only really enough to instruct the fetus to produce a cock and balls. Some trans women don’t even have a Y chromosome, but are in fact XX and had a condition called De La Chapelle’s syndrome, wherein a copy of the SRY gene was mistakenly included with their second X chromosome, triggering the formation of male genitalia. After birth, the Y chromosome sits around doing basically nothing. The second X chromosome does the same thing: in any given cell with two X chromosomes, one is inactive. So I assure you, to maintain your position you really do not want to add things in. You want to be as autistically minimalist as possible.

Anonymous Thu Jul 21 01:54:03 2022 No.20710170

>>20709493
>If it existed, surely you would have some evidence of it.
I remember you! You're the faggot who kept asking for sources and when another anon gave you one you ignored the line about how homosexuals have a higher incidence of child molesters and quoted back the 11:1 ratio! You did that here too (>>20707872)! It was literally on the news, retard. You can do a Google search and stories about it will pop up. I'm not providing you with any more information because you simply lie and mischaracterize it! I'll provide a link to that thread if you try to deny it.
> You're the ideologue
>>Are you sure?
Yeah, 100%. I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your bullshit.
> I wrote pubescent adolescents. Not pre-pubescent. You’ll note that in your own quote you got my wording correct.
And I wrote: "Another trait of ideologues is the attempt to monopolize semantics to prevent criticism from reaching their ideological core and redefine such in their own terms so it can be dismissed instead of discussed." Which is exactly what you're doing. Cope. You don't have a monopoly on semantics, faggot. Besides, they don't prescribe puberty blockers unless you haven't gone through puberty you disingenuous fag.
>So you tell me: if 11/12 pedophiles are straight, and straight men are 99% of the male population, then which group of men is doing the most of the kiddy diddling?
Imagine being this retarded. 3.5% of people identify as LGBT. That means that the ratio should be 29:1 hetero pedos to homo pedos. However, you faggots account for over 1/11 (not 1/12 you mathematically illiterate retard) which is >9%. Now, if you're not too retarded and follow along--this fact combined with the fact your population is smaller means that there is an overall HIGH percentage of homosexual pedophiles. Get it now?
>Money was fundamentally anti-transsexual, I have no idea why morons like you think that he’s even relevant to the discussion.
Oh! Someone's afraid of the fact. I told you: "The guy who created and popularized your conceptualization of gender identity was a pedophilia advocate who forced a sexual reassignment surgery on a child who later killed himself. He also had children simulate sexual activities with one another and took photographs. In short, you're views on gender aren't based on ...

Cope you disgusting retarded faggot. Cope and seeth.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 02:20:01 2022 No.20710296 >>20696531 He sounds wholesome.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 21 02:37:28 2022 No.20710376 >>20709587 People don't become academics out of some pure desire to find truth and knowledge,, blah blah. They become academics because they want social status and prestige.

Anonymous Thu Jul 21 03:28:44 2022 No.20710567

>>20709493
Hey, would you mind telling me your thoughts on how the development of capitalism is the only way you can live this lifestyle? And would you mind telling me why the capitalist controlled media is always painting people such as yourself as a victim? Have you ever thought that you are nothing more than a pawn for capital, being taken advantage off as we witness the shift from the development/creation of tangible goods to an economy relying on fintech and goods that don't even exist(and when they do exist they fall apart quickly and promote a continual consumerist lifestyle)?

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