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after being a leftist in my youth, over the years I've embraced rightism for the most part. fascism is starting to seem appealing. what are some essential works dealing with fascism that I can get into?

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>> No.20689505

>>20689487
>Clearly American
>Clearly uses Discord too much
just fuck off to pol

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20689534

I shall fulfill thy needs, noble Anon.

>> No.20689538

>>20689487
Lmao, you have to be 18 or older to post on here.
Don't worry, you'll grow out of it

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>>20689534

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>>20689539

>> No.20689549

>>20689487
You are still in your youth. I would hope so at least.

>> No.20689563

>>20689487
Fascism: The Career of a Concept
Gottfried, Paul
Gentile's works obviously.

Aristotle Kallis' "Fascism Reader" is not too bad.

Fascism is a loose concept. The Romans were fascists perhaps more so than Mussolini. Abraham Lincoln could also be considered a Fascist - even his symbol was the fasces. Fascism is as loose or maybe even more than Communism - many argue they're both downstream from Marxism, but there's obvious deviations.

Start with Hegel, read everything, realize nobody else reads into things that much, and then continue to suffer in preference.

>> No.20689565

>>20689543
Pretty sure Conrad was a comrade

>> No.20689575

>>20689538
What do you grow into?

>> No.20689578

>>20689575
a normal human being that doesn't get dragged into political extremism by internet chatrooms

>> No.20689613

>>20689578
oh, so a boring apolitical/centrist fag? people like you never achieved anything and won't be remembered by anyone.

>> No.20689634

>>20689613
this >>20689494 looks just like you

>> No.20689639

>>20689613
y-you too

>> No.20689650

>>20689613
one:
>doesn't achieve anything and isn't remembered by anyone
>had an unsatisfying and rage-filled life posting on internet forums about fringe ideologies, ideas which are never realized

two:
>doesn't achieve anything and isn't remembered by anyone
>had a satisfying life not obsessed with non-entities and accomplishing successfully whatever is within their power to accomplish

This is not even mentioning that it's not political ideologues who are remembered, it is people capable of leading and commanding, or heroic deeds.

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>>20689487

>> No.20689668

>>20689505
german and i don't have a discord account.

>> No.20689672

I too thought fascism might be cool when my mom stopped cutting the crusts of my pb&j sandies

>> No.20689682

>>20689549
>>20689538
>>20689549
>>20689658
I'm 26 and grew out of leftism. I'm not interested in what you imagine to be fascism. I'm interested in a sophisticated understanding of a major ideology
>>20689534
>>20689539
>>20689543
>>20689563
thank you anons

>> No.20689687

>>20689668
Der Faschismus in seiner Epoche von Emil Nolte oder Der europäische Bürgerkrieg 1917–1945. Nationalsozialismus und Bolschewismus auch von Nolte

>> No.20689703

>>20689687
ich bedanke mich, Anon.

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>>20689613
True, these guys will be remembered for a long time for their political achievements.

>> No.20689722

>>20689682
>a major ideology
Not since 1945 you dork lol.You're too old to be doing this shit man, seriously. Bouncing between extremist political ideology is the behaviour of an 18 year old who thinks he understands the world.

>> No.20689736

If you were a leftist and became a fascist for political reasons, I recommend Alain de Benoist's book on Edouard Berth, Georges Valois, and heroic socialism, if you can read French. If not, read Sternhell's Neither Left nor Right / Birth of Fascist Ideology, and A James' Gregor's Ideology of Fascism (or any of his books where he gives a general overview).

Look into Sorel too, read his Decomposition of Marxism. Also read Primo de Rivera's collected speeches and essays.

These are good to glance over
https://counter-currents.com/tag/breaking-the-bondage-of-interest/

>> No.20689739

>>20689703
>>20689687
Ernst Nolte, not Emil, whoops

>> No.20689763

I read Mussolini’s “The Doctrine of Fascism”, as well as Trotsky’s “What is Fascism and How to Fight It”. While right-wing, I am anti-fascist, so YMMV.

>> No.20689870

>>20689722
>Bouncing
I'm not bouncing though, I was basically a leftist from the time I was around 12. I didn't know enough about politics to have called myself one back then but that's what I was. since my early twenties as I read opposing views, my views shifted. I don't bounce around from left to right and every which way like this shit >>20689494 implies. It was a long, gradual process, not influenced by /pol/ or some bullshit like the "alt right pipeline"

>> No.20689876

>>20689487
>>>/lgbt/

>> No.20689886

>>20689736
thanks anon, I'm actually learning french so that's going to be something I'll try to tackle once I'm reasonably good enough
>>20689763
I'll give them a look. I've read some more or less anti fascist stuff that, somewhat unexpectedly pushed me further right, particularly some post structuralists, who I find very valuable

>> No.20689889

>>20689870
>I was basically a leftist from the time I was around 12.
Focus on this part and try and figure out why that's a comically ridiculous statement.

>> No.20689960

>>20689889
yes, very ridiculous that someone has parents who raised their kid with those values. absolutely outlandish idea

>> No.20689967

>>20689960
still not getting it lol. germs really are autistic.

>> No.20689973

>>20689967
explain it to me then, wise friend. I'm clearly just a retarded poltard

>> No.20689975

larping thread

>> No.20690010

>>20689487
Go fight for Ukraine liberal

>> No.20690012

>>20689973
Obsessing over which extremist political box you fit into is the behavior of a very immature and poorly socialised young man. The fact you label your 12 year old self as a "leftist" (12 year olds have no political persuasion, they are literally children with 0 life experience) is even more proof of this. You shouldn't be doing this at 26. You're well and truly an adult with adult responsibilities and it's very telling that you immediately jump to blaming your parents.

>> No.20690026

>>20690012
>Obsessing over which extremist politics box you fit into
you don't even read what I say. I said I was leftist for most of my youth, I read stuff and it shifted. now I'm interested in learning about fascism. where's the obsession
>12 year olds have no political persuasion
you don't even read
> I didn't know enough about politics to have called myself one back then but that's what I was
unless you claim children don't have values, immature or not, you're just not replying to what I'm actually saying
>blaming
I'm not blaming them, i said i was raised that way. I don't blame them or resent them for it.

having said all that, thank (you) anon for your contribution.

>> No.20690116

>>20689487
I agree with your overall sediment, expect for the fascism part. I used be lefty in high school. Look with embracing the left has done to society, the family unit is being bashed, all sorts of faggot degeneracy is being allowed and nogs are given a pass to act like animals because of fear of being called a racist. When I was lefty I just wanted regular gays and all other races to treat each other like equals and kind.

>> No.20690162

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1ALtOsxPf-6TfsEOrkT9-E627f9tJTIb-?usp=sharing

This should have most things you need. Recommend starting with Origins and Doctrine and then Mussolini's Intellectuals. Varieties of Fascism by Weber is good for going over different Fascist movements, and The Birth of Fascist Ideology by Sternhell is good for going over the origins of Fascism. A History of Fascism by Payne is also good.

Also check out Bibliotecha fascista for translated stuff from Italian Fascists and arplan for other Fascist texts from Italian and other Fascist movements.

>> No.20690171

>>20689505
You are a faggot

>>20689538
I'm 40 and I didn't. I got more extreme over time

>> No.20690202

>>20690162
thank you anon, especially for this
>Also check out Bibliotecha fascista for translated stuff from Italian Fascists and arplan for other Fascist texts from Italian and other Fascist movements.
that looks very interesting and promising

>> No.20690278

>>20689494
>refuses to read anything by "the other side"
I remember my fag friend sent me a video about queer representation in media. I never seen such god awful stereotyping, and it was from queers themselves.

>> No.20690315

>>20690202
Np. Also if you want more translated stuff H.R. Morgan's Codex Fascismo books are good.

>> No.20690322

>>20689487
Fascism is a failed ideology, like communism. Just masturbatory pipe dreams.

>> No.20690347

>>20690026
You are failing to understand. Historical curiosities like fascism and communism are a waste of your time, in addition to being anti-life and self-defeating by their nature. It's not normal nor is it healthy to define yourself by them.

>> No.20690718

>>20689487
Chud here, good for you for finally seeing sense. Being a white man and a leftist in The Current Year is completely untenable. It's a pathetic and dishonorable position. But don't get the appeal of these silly ideologies like fascism, it's totally irrelevant as far as i can see, and self-marginalizing to boot.

>> No.20690721

>>20690718
>Chud here
this is a tranny false flag. no right winger would call himself this shit.

>> No.20690723

>I was a retard when I was young and today I am also a retard
wow impressive

>> No.20690734

>>20690723
I was thinking more along the lines of,
>I was a contrarian when I was young and today I am still a contrarian
but retard fits too

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>>20690721
>muh false flags
Sadly as a chud these are the kind of humorless and paranoid morons you have to deal with. Nevertheless I trust the plan.

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Anyway what was I saying... oh yeah we're fortunate in some way to live in a time of crisis. It simplifies things a great deal, we have one single issue that must be dealt with before all else... just as in Ukraine right now people have 3 choices: flee, fight against the Russians or support the Russians... quibbling about tax rates and public spending for them is presently not an issue... if your house is on fire you don't start thinking about getting the kitchen redone and getting into labyrinthine arguments about the pros and cons of getting granite countertops... that can wait, first put out the fire, or perish. And that is why OP is an idiot. Thanks for reading.

>> No.20690828

>>20690778
What is this "single issue" you talk of?

>> No.20690840

>>20690778
Meds

>> No.20690888

>>20689722
Good god shut the fuck up you fluoride infested retard. You can have genuine change in beliefs in your life. Mussolini was a die hard Marxist before he became a nationalist.

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>>20689487
Read Karl Marx and Georges Sorel. >>20689578
Work in a factory and start going hungry and you will see how easy it is to get sucked into 'political extremism'.
>>20689763
Trotsky considered the soviet union fascist so he has little of value to say on it. He had no first hand experience with Fascism. Might want to read Gramsci if you want a primary source account.

>> No.20690898

>>20690828
Climate change, sweaty.

>> No.20690899

>>20690888
And he was a fascist before he became a hanged man lol

>> No.20690907

>>20690897
Cringe.

>> No.20690912

>>20690907
Cringe is you.

>> No.20690917

>>20690912
Not an argument.

>> No.20690919

>>20690897
>Work in a factory and start going hungry and you will see how easy it is to get sucked into 'political extremism'.
You first, loser. Are you working at the 4chan factory right now?

>> No.20690926

>>20690917
I wasn't making one.
>>20690919
Your post makes no sense. Are you denying exploited people don't have higher inclination towards 'political extremism'?

>> No.20690929

>>20690926
>he thinks reality is a Dickens novel

>> No.20690934

>>20690929
>one's personal economic situation has no bearing on one's political views
lol

>> No.20690936

>>20690929
You must have a very narrow worldview. Plenty of countries in the third world have children who work 12 hour days in factories.

>> No.20690938

>>20690934
Your gay little marxist larp is considered extreme by no one. You can buy his books in Barnes and Noble. New York Times and the World Economic Forum extol his wisdom. Grow up libtard.

>> No.20690941

>>20690938
?

>> No.20690953

>>20690938
>The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them

>> No.20690960

>>20690953
>Hehehe...the capitalists will sell us the rope with which we'll... ACK!

>> No.20690972

>>20690926
>Are you denying exploited people don't have higher inclination towards 'political extremism'?
No, I think shut in sexless losers on their discord channels are most inclined to extremism.

>> No.20690973

>>20689613
It's a red flag that your evaluation of a political system seems to be whether it stimulates your need for novelty and personal recognition rather than whether it leads to a stable society. Centrists have at least, achieved that, which is why they're hegemonic.

>> No.20690981

>>20690972
Only a shutin sexless loser would think that. Go outside.

>> No.20690984

>>20690981
>no you
Careful Patrick, don't go shooting up another walmart.

>> No.20690986

>>20689889
I was a conservative at 12. Its not uncommon as you think. Some kids get into politics early.

>> No.20690993

>>20690986
what causes this? access to edgy Internet forums?

>> No.20690998

>>20690934
Yeah, exactly. I liked people like Ayn Rand until I lost my job at a factory and had to get on food stamps

>> No.20691000

>>20690984
The IWA had 8 million members at one point. What is 'extreme' or not is subjective. Your close mindedness is far more indicative to being a 'shutin loser' than me.

>> No.20691002

>>20690993
Anti-social kids looking to fit in. No normal child gives a shit about politics, they're too busy being not being a major disappoint to their parents.

>> No.20691003

>>20690993
Uh, this was 1994 for me. The internet was in its infancy. My dad did, actually.

>> No.20691004

Georges Sorel
Carl Schmitt
Martin Heidegger

>> No.20691009

>>20691000
Anon strikes again with another wikipedia fun fact. I'm sure the revolution will be here in 2 more weeks.

>> No.20691065

>>20691004
>Heidegger
I read Being & Time in college for a course I was taking and never really made a connection between his work and fascism. I know that he was literally a nazi, but how is he in the same conversation as Schmitt for fascist literature? Is it just the connection between fascism and irrationalism?

>> No.20691067

>>20690899
You sound like a faggot

>> No.20691071

>>20691067
I'm not a fascist, so no.

>> No.20691074

>>20691002
I grew up poor and I was reading Lenin by the time I was 13.

>> No.20691093

>>20689613
Sorry mate, but glass houses - this is just begging someone to ask what it is you think you've achieved. What HAVE you achieved?

>> No.20691099

>>20690026
Damn, man. I hope you get well :(

>> No.20691102

>>20690116
>I agree with your overall sediment

>> No.20691138

>>20689886
Just be aware that just like with a lot of the hard-left stuff, it is very pipe-dreamy and often written to be persuasive. Take Oswald Mosley's "Fascism for the Million" for example - sells the ideology along the same lines as the communist manifesto.

>> No.20691146

>>20691074
Proves my point and being one of "those" kids isn't really something to be proud of.

>> No.20691156

>>20691146
Who the fuck cares what you think is worthy to take pride in.

>> No.20691164

>>20691156
Clearly you do since you felt the need to randomly interject it into an unrelated comment. Congrats on being poor and poorly socialized I guess?

>> No.20691166

>>20690898
https://youtu.be/FRpq7o1mKXY
Wrong answer.
It's the Jews.

>> No.20691176

>>20690347
OP, you need to listen to this anon, it's really time to grow out of this shit - accept your personal failings and move on with your own life.
t. as convicted as you were when I was 20, but I'm 26 myself now and I've removed myself from pointlessly toxic internet environments. Try some introspection.

>> No.20691189

>>20691164
No I just think you're talking out of your ass. You're on 4chan, you're not one to go around making accusations.

>> No.20691197

>>20691189
I'll consider your suggestion
lol nah I think I'll keep saying what I want actually. congrats on reading Lenin dude, I'm sure the teachers used to love you.

>> No.20691217

>>20691197
You sound like someone who needs anally raped

>> No.20691225

>>20691217
touched a nerve?

>> No.20691233

>>20691065
Hölderlin lectures and his rectorate speech from 1933 are sort of in the fascist train of thought, not fully though

But you’re correct, Heidegger can’t be reduced to a label

>> No.20691249

>>20691197
>I'm sure the teachers used to love you.
They did actually, I was quite popular. My teachers were all unionized.

>> No.20691254

>>20690778

You put out the fire with water

Fire cannot extinguish fire, only water can do that

Darkness cannot extinguish darkness, only light can do that

Hate cannot extinguish hate, only love can do that

If you hate me, then I will love you

Then we become brothers united against evil

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>>20689487
Codex fascismo has most fascist works collected.

>> No.20691438

>>20689487
fascism is a dead modernist ideology, the only true form of Rightism is traditionalism as outlined by Evola. Certainly fascism as a philosophy has true elements but nothing that wasn't already established in the world of tradition.

>> No.20691539

>>20691438
Tradition is useless to revolutionaries.

>> No.20691649

>>20689534
>Right wing socialism branch
>No manifesto del partito fascista by Mussolini
>No Mein Kampf

Who the fuck wrote that crap? The reactionary branch instead it's spot on. I'm not enough into memebertarianism to judge the third branch

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>> No.20691712

>>20691698
You OK, bud? Having a bit of an incel moment?

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>>20689487
>what are some essential works dealing with fascism that I can get into

>> No.20692203

>>20690012
>12 year olds have no political persuasion, they are literally children with 0 life experience
speak for yourself retard. maybe you were a braindead little bitch when you were 12 but not all of us were. you're probably the same brand of dumb leftist that will also say children have no sexuality based solely on the fact that you didn't hit puberty until you were 19

>> No.20692227

>>20689494
fpbp

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Why is fascism more censored than marxism? What is it that makes fascism more frightening to western leaders than communism? I don't get it.

>> No.20692296

Hey OP, actual National Socialist here, I'm gonna give you some thoughts.
The WORST thing you can do when getting into this is focusing exclusively on theory and reading things like Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism or Karl Schmidt etc. That's a huge mistake and leads to people that are massive pseuds doing very silly edgy things like defending fascism/national socialism AS THE BOOGEYMAN IT IS PRESENTED AS. Unbelievably cringe and wrong.
What you need to do instead is focus on fully understanding the history and policies of the actual historical regimes in question and how their ideas apply to modern politics in a very practical way. Read some histories that are friendly to the Third Reich, read up on anti-semitism and holocaust denial. DO NOT get caught up in metaphysical theory sperg stuff until you have a firm pragmatic foundation. You need to understand how Jewish power works, the fundamental innocence and goodness of Hitler's government, and the Machiavellian ruthlessness of liberal democracies.

Here are some books
>Hitler's Revolution, Tedor
>Culture of Critique, MacDonald
>Hitler's War, Irving
>Debating the Holocaust, Dalton
This is a small list of books that will provide political and historical grounding that isn't too long or intimidating. Good luck!

>> No.20692355

>>20692277
Westerners are shit scared of both and you're delusional if you think otherwise.

>> No.20692375

>>20692355
Nobody is afraid of the politically toothless and ideologically castrated communists except for confused boomers who confuse Jewish degeneracy with communism. The federal government and the ADL and the SPLC are not concerned about communist political organization. "Communists" in today's west can hardly even be called that for their subservience to the radical liberal social program overtakes all other planks. They're utterly dominated by liberals. Furthermore, universities and institutions are crawling with self-proclaimed communists and radical leftists. Obviously institutions are not scared of them.

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> Ban all immigration
> Ban having more than one car unless required for work purpose. If you live in a major central urban area you just cant have one unless required for work purposes.
> Nationalize real estate, expropriate all landlords who aren't renting parts of their houses.
> Housing is attributed based on family size and work location.
> Nationalize all large scale general stores such as Walmart, Costco, etc, and use their price prediction system to manage the demand and cost of all small value/necessary goods.
> Establish a merit system based on family sized were larger families can establish permanent housing and ownership.
> Wait
> Wait
> Wait some fucking more
> Restart immigration, but only on the basis of strong shared cultural affinity and virtue of character.

>> No.20692605

>>20692355
go to your nearest university campus and proclaim you're a marxist. you'll find people who will support you and maybe some tranny might even offer "her" hole to you.
do the same thing but proclaim you're a fascist and not only will you be lambasted, fellow fascists of which there will no doubt be some in attendance, will not come to your help because they are smart enough not to expose themselves in public

>> No.20692670

>>20692355
I used to think Marxism was revolutionary, but then I realized >>20692605 is basically right. Communists are not a threat to the system. If they were, one would not be able to promote communism as easily as they do. Go on Twitter right now, you'll see countless communists. Hardly an oppressed movement. (This is not to say that fascism is good, simply that it is a threat to our current order, and that communism is not).

>> No.20692701

>>20692375
Reading comprehension sucks, Westerners are scared of communism/Marxism, not "communists".
>>20692605
True in a way, however, university campuses are 1% of the population. Denied.
>>20692670
Again, Westerners are scared of communism/Marxism, not communists, or twitter trannies larping as communists for that matter.

>> No.20692711

>>20692605
>>20692670
If this was true, you could simply establish a political party and have Marxism as the main ideology. But would that party get votes? Not really, no.

>> No.20692726

>>20692701
>Westerners are scared of communism/Marxism
This is just not true anon. If it was true, Marxist works would be censored, claiming to be a Marxist would be something that would get you cancelled. But that's not the case. I use marxists.org all the time. Many influential people in America claim to be Marxists.

>>20692711
PSL and CPUSA both exist, as do more fringe parties like IMT and SA. The fact that these guys don't get votes is a testament to their platform being unpopular, not them being seen as a threat.

>> No.20692734

>>20689487
https://www.academia.edu/10354251/_On_Fascism_by_Alain_de_Benoist

"Innumerable definitions of Fascism have been proposed. The simplest is still the best: Fascism is a revolutionary political form, characterized by the fusion of three principal elements: a nationalism of the Jacobin type, a non-democratic socialism, and the authoritarian call to the mobilization of the masses.
<...>
At its foundation, Fascism is based upon the modern trilogy: State-People-Nation. All its effort is directed to making synonyms of these three terms, which are nowadays separated. Born over the sign of the Fasces, before anything else Fascism has wanted to appear like it. Thus it had wanted to bring together the social classes and the political families, opposed in another epoch, to consolidate the unity of the nation. This was at the same time its strength and its weakness. Obsessed by the unity, it has been the centralizer.
Pretending to avert the specter of civil war, it has engendered absolute hatreds, left as a fractured, irreparable heritage. Its Jacobinism, its subjective nationalism, is the source of all its failures: the one who tends to that unity necessarily excludes that one who does not allow himself to be driven to the unity.
That spirit of community, which has profoundly marked Fascism, does not permit Fascism to characterize it as its own. Fascism has not produced anything more than a particular version. In Fascism, the idea of community is vitiated by the conviction that that it must be animated and directed from the above, in a statist perspective, whereas a true community spirit is incompatible with statism.
The 20th century has without doubt been the century of Fascisms and of Communisms. Fascism was born of war and died in war. Communism was born of a political and social explosion and died in a political and social implosion. It could not have been Fascism if not in a given stage of the process of modernization and industrialization, a stage which now belongs to the past, at least in the countries of Western Europe. The time of Fascism and of Communism is finished.
In Western Europe, all “Fascism” today cannot be anything other than a parody. And the same occurs with the residual “anti-Fascism,” which responds to this phantasm with even more anachronistic words. It is because the time of the Fascisms has passed away that today it is possible to speak of it without moral indignation or complacent nostalgia, as one of the central pages of the history of the century which has just ended."

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>>20689487
>what are some essential works

>> No.20692758

>>20689487
Same, I have been leftwing most of my life but I'm starting to think egalitarianism is largerly wrong and poisonous. I still think fascism is retarded though.

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>>20692701
the only time i've heard of a book by a marxist being banned by amazon recently was one by someone from worker's world party which is a leninist group active in nyc because they questioned the medical lockdowns during covid. if they had published a book questioning the right of amazon to exist as a company or the united states to exist as a democracy, it would still be for sale, but since they said maybe these lockdowns are just going to benefit the rich and hurt the poor, poof book gone. make of that what you will.

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>>20692768
never mind it's back for sale only $16.00 order your copy today comrade

>> No.20692821

>>20689487
You're on the right path, anon. You can tell by the types of people throwing insults at you, and the kinds of things they say. Keep reading, and never let anyone scare you away from finding the answer.

>> No.20692842

>>20689487
have sex

>> No.20692844

>>20689487
You've already read the antifa literature, you're a certified fascist.

>> No.20692846

>>20692701
>True in a way, however, university campuses are 1% of the population. Denied
go to your fucking city center then. it would play out the same.

>> No.20692855

>>20692758
>I still think fascism is retarded though.
don't worry, you'll come around

>> No.20692909

you know what, after looking at this thread I'm starting to think rightism isn't for me.

>> No.20693077

>>20692277
>Why is fascism more censored than marxism
Because Fascism is Marx's theories applied to the real world.
>>20692726
All 'Marxist' parties are demsoc and pose no threat, that's why they're allowed.

>> No.20693096

>>20693077
>Fascism is Marx's theories applied to the real world.
based and redpilled

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>>20692277
It works. A people unified in values, purpose, blood and creed are difficult to harm and can endure all manner of difficulties if they are not artificial and caused through negligence on the part of the ruling class.

Much of the ruling classes in Europe and the West have no common cause in morals, values, blood and history with those they rule. Ergo, a sudden rediscovery of blood and soil nationalism would spell the end of their time here.

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>>20693077
Class collaboration works, an aristocratic hierarchy based on the original meaning of the word, the best, the bravest, the most educated and the wisest at the top is the natural order. We are not all leaders, it takes a very specific set of life circumstances to produce effective, moral leaders you want to follow.