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[Anonymous No.20686391]

Urban Jungle Edition

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[Anonymous No.20686402]

Water Sleeps

[Anonymous No.20686404]

>>20686391
Protect Meng Hao's bashful smile!

[Anonymous No.20686437]

>>20686391
I’ve been enjoying Harlan Ellison and Phillip K Dick short stories. Are there any other authors collections that are up to that caliber?

[Anonymous No.20686466]

>>20686391
Is there any books based in an urban jungle scenario?

[Anonymous No.20686468]

>>20686466
What is an urban jungle? Do you mean like a book that takes places heavily in a large city?

[Anonymous No.20686472]

>>20686468
Maybe he means Predator 2, I'm sure there's a novelization.

[Anonymous No.20686507]

>coming to the end of DCC 5
>Signet is about to summon her ink army
FUCK
I DON'T WANT IT TO END
>>20686437
Egan has some great ideas too that I haven't seen elsewhere. Read his Axiomatic and Oceanic collections (he has a short story called Axiomatic that is also in his Axiomatic collection, so don't be confused.)

[Anonymous No.20686536]

>>20686468
Yea, metropolis dystopia kind of vibe

[Anonymous No.20686639]

Bakker is king.

[Anonymous No.20686685]

>>20686437
Ballard, Aldiss, E.E. Smith? try Isaac Asimov Presents The Great SF Stories anthology if you want to dive into old sci-fi

[Anonymous No.20686720]

I lost energy while writing this, so I guess this one will be shorter.

I've finished Dragon's Justice 3 and I feel tired. Not of the series or the author, but of harem/erotica in general. I've read a lot of it lately. Within the the last three months I've read ~24 harem/erotica books. Quite a lot, I believe. Some were meh, some good, some made me think erotica is better than porn. I think that's enough for now, time to go back to solid fantasy, starting with Sufficiently Advanced Magic.

As for the Dragon's Justice 3 itself...I think Bruce Sentar fell short while writing this series. The first book was truly suprising as despite being harem/erotica there was only one girl and one sex scene in the entire book. Weird and it could be sad to be false advertising, but proved the author can write something decent (for the genre) without filling sex and women everywhere. Interesting women that weren't there just to fuck the protagonist, lot of teasing, a main character that actually has some character...Impressive (again, for the genre).

But starting with book 2 things'd begun to unravel. The story remained servicable, but everything started going around the MC. All girls were there to become the MC's mates, and ironically Bruce Sentar's biggest flaw as harem/erotica writer started to show: he's bad at writing sex. Not as in he uses some ridiculous language and terms, but there's nothing interesting to read about. Anyone that read at least a bit of the genre knows that there's more to a sex scene than just "and then he started clapping her from behind with force." Uninspired, mundane and short. He really sucks at writing titilating sex scenes (Not all of them were shit, but most, with addition to being weirdly placed).

I'm not sure whether I should continue to book 4. I know what will be there and it's not what I really seek. If I want a story with dragons, there are better ones out there. If I want harem/erotica, there are better writers as well. Story itself is barely decent. I read through these three books more due to momentum than their quality.

5/10


Now I'm taking a break from reading harem stuff, maybe a month or two. Let myself cool off and think which of the books were really good. Then after I return to harems I'll try some other series, check reverse-harems, lesbian erotica...and then make a book chart at the end. I gotta be thorough if I'm doing it.

[Anonymous No.20686726]

>>20686720
How do you read that much of stuff that's meh at best? I read some mediocre LitRPGs but they at least are competently written in some way or another, but I've never read a harem thing that was entertaining to actually read.

[Anonymous No.20686752]

>>20686726
I don't think harems are on average worse than LitRPGs in quality, but that's maybe because I read a lot of those as well, mostly on Royalroad. These days I'm more picky with Litrpg stories, but that might be due to familiarity with the genre. Maybe I'm becoming as picky with harems too, now that I more or less know what I like in them. I think Dragon's Justice is one of those that are entertaining to read, but with weak sexual elements. It's good at titilation, though. Saving Supervillains had a good plot and character, Super Sales on Supervillains (not the same series and author) had interesting premise and was a decent enough book, but suffered from having little to none sexual elements. I think the most consistent series would be Fostering Faust, which I recommend to read at least the first one as it's more or less original and doesn't suffer from having yet another young, simply protagonist.

Good Intentions remains the best erotica/harem book in all aspects, despite allegedly going 'cuck'-way in the third book. But the first two compare to the rest of the genre like heaven to earth.

[Anonymous No.20686754]

>>20686705
>>more good books than one could read in a lifetime
In what universe? There's fuck all worth reading. I spend more time looking for something to read than I actually do reading recently.

>>20686720
>starting with Sufficiently Advanced Magic.
I'd recommend skipping that one. It starts out extremely bland and generic, then just suddenly everyone is gay, including the protagonist, and half the word count is just soapboxing about how it's totally okay to be gay there's nothing wrong with it. Blech.
>I'm not sure whether I should continue to book 4
Don't, it's worse than 3, I never finished it, and I read a LOT of questionable garbage.
I assume you've already read Saving Supervillains by the same author. It's pretty definitively his best work. I'd also recommend The Hedge Wizard, by Alex Maher. This one describes itself as LitRPG, but it really isn't.
Also, Neural Wraith by K.D Robertson is up there with Saving Supervillains. Similar to the first book of Dragon's Justice, there's almost zero sex in it.

[Anonymous No.20686820]

>>20686754
Sufficiently Advanced Magic doesn't soapbox nearly as much as some people seem to think it does. It has like two lines in passing about the differences between sexual and romantic attraction in book 2, and then one line about pronouns. His Weapons and Wielders series is better anyway, just because Keras is a more interesting protagonist.

[Anonymous No.20686821]

>>20686754
>>20686754
>I assume you've already read Saving Supervillains by the same author. It's pretty definitively his best work. I'd also recommend The Hedge Wizard, by Alex Maher.
By saying the Hedge Wizard is not really LitRPG you mean it's harem/erotica?
Yeah, I read SS. Suprisingly good, despite still lacking in sexual elements, but the improvement is noticable. Neural Wraith I've heard good things about, but reading sexless erotica sounds like a scam to me, and the author's most popular book Heretic Spellblade was one of the worst erotica books I've read to date. It read like some try-hard's attempt to write an amateur fantasy with smart MC, but with added harem/erotica elements to find an audience. It was written two years ago, though, and Bruce Sentar's 'Mana Master' was also shit, so maybe the author improved. Will check it out at some point.

Btw, Saving Supervillains was released few days ago. I'm considering whether to postpone the break to read it.
And someone needs to tell the author that the cover art is fucking shit, looks like some cheap porn. There much worse covers obviously, but it's really off-putting. The first one also had a weak cover that made me hesitate before reading, but this one is actively harmful. A cover art is half of the erotica book's success, in my eyes. Advertisement and putting an image of a girl in your mind. This one fails in both of these cases.

[Anonymous No.20686825]

>>20686821
Fantasy erotica does seem to have made a very specific niche of cover art, hasn't it. Major female character looking sexy in a state of undress. You're lucky if the protagonist is even PRESENT on the front.

[Anonymous No.20686840]

>>20686821
>By saying the Hedge Wizard is not really LitRPG you mean it's harem/erotica?
No I mean it isn't really a LitRPG. The only real LitRPG elements it has is the author Bolds spell names, and spells are ranked numerically based on difficulty. It's a fun story that really plays to its strengths, it's got a smaller scale (most of the plot centers around rescuing a bunch of civilians kidnapped by kobolds), and it doesn't use irony as a crutch for its humor.

>Neural Wraith I've heard good things about, but reading sexless erotica sounds like a scam to me
Honestly I wouldn't say it's even erotica. It's a strong sci-fi/cyberpunk story with a single sex scene and some cute robots. For what it's worth I also disliked Heretic Spellblade.

[Anonymous No.20686848]

How do you niggas feel about All Tomorrows? I'm not huge into SFF (way more into SF than fantasy) but do read a few SF books a year, however I've been reading Lovecraft the past week or so and wanted something else novella-length to read so yeah. I'm going to read Man After Man afterwards and compare the two. My question though, does anybody else have any similar recs in the humanity in the far future schtick, especially under 200 pages? Yes I'm aware of Olaf Stapleton but he's too dry and dated and not imaginative enough for my taste. Anyways, anybody have any suggestions? I don't visit this general very often bt.w

[Anonymous No.20686889]

>>20686825
>Fantasy erotica does seem to have made a very specific niche of cover art, hasn't it. Major female character looking sexy in a state of undress. You're lucky if the protagonist is even PRESENT on the front.
There is definitely a wide range of erotica cover arts, some are made by the author himself and look like a third-grader's attempt at art, some are porny (like Saving Supervillains I posted above), some are both good at presenting the story and titilating at the same time (like Fostering Faust I also posted above). Dragon's Justice 3's cover is merely adequate, not bad, not good.

Pic rel is one of the best cover arts in erotica, Scholomance. Weak story and wish fulfillment as fuck, but the covers do their fucking job. Locan Jacob's cover arts are good as hell, even if mostly porny. But the quality is uncontestable.

PS:Fucking 4chan should start supporting webp images, they are much lighter

[Anonymous No.20686918]

Guys, look at this. This one motherfucker wrote 196 fucking books. All appear to be trashy and weak, but 196. Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.20686925]

>>20686918
Yes, a lot of these authors shit out books on a nearly weekly basis.

[Anonymous No.20686932]

>>20686918
>average 4.39

Literally better than Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.20686934]

Fuck you, stupid sfffags

[Anonymous No.20686953]

I like isaac asimov but do people really think the foundation trilogy (ignoring edge and earth which I haven’t read yet) is one of the best sf series ever?

[Anonymous No.20686963]

Is this really worth the commitment? I keep hearing how hard it is too get into,but worth your time.

[Anonymous No.20686967]

I like isaac asimov but do people really think the foundation trilogy (ignoring edge and earth which I haven’t read yet) is one of the best sf series ever? I think it is very overrated and the empires collapse isn’t explained well enough.

[Anonymous No.20686972]

>>20686932
>14k reviews
I wonder what this guy's conversion rate and shill review costs are like.

[Anonymous No.20686977]

>>20686967
>I like isaac asimov but do people really think the foundation trilogy (ignoring edge and earth which I haven’t read yet) is one of the best sf series ever? I think it is very overrated and the empires collapse isn’t explained well enough.
Foundation isn't a great series, its foresight on technology turned out to be laughable, plot is servicable...only thing that's good is the concept of an ancient human civilization os old, that it has forgotten it came from one planet. It's a good read, but nothing particularly impressive today.

[Anonymous No.20686978]

>>20686918
I genuinely wonder how erotica authors do this shit. Do they write from templates or something? Or do they just auto-pilot. I've read a couple from one of these types and they just seem to be all the same sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.20687012]

>>20686918
I've actually read some of those series and the quality varies. I'm convinced Eric Vall is more than one person and it's just a name some erotica authors use to publish their shit.

[Anonymous No.20687016]

>>20686848
reddit trash for midwit NPCs who enjoy youtube video essays more than actually consuming any real media like books or movies or video games

[Anonymous No.20687022]

>>20687012
Honestly that wouldn't surprise me if it was just a name used by a group of smut writers. I've only read a handful of Vall stuff but they don't seem like they were written by the same guy.

[Anonymous No.20687024]

>>20686967
(((Golden Age))) gets shilled to the moon by literary journos who don't read sci-fi. It's a pretty good series as the period goes, but that's not saying much.

[Anonymous No.20687038]

>>20686963
It's really not hard to get into, people don't like it because not everything is explained right away but I think those guys are retarded.
It's the weakest book in the serie but if you really don't like it you won't like the rest

[Anonymous No.20687044]

maybe meta but does anyone know where i can get the audiobook of "trillion year spree" by brian aldriss? that was one of the comfiest listens ever but i lost the mp3s when the sdcard in my shitty android tablet died and it's not on audible.

[Anonymous No.20687060]

So Gandalf took a bunch of kids along on a potentially fatal journey? How is he remembered as good and not a vile schemer that tries to get his boy Aragorn The Usurper on the throne of Gondor?

[Anonymous No.20687095]

>>20687060
>So Gandalf took a bunch of kids along on a potentially fatal journey? How is he remembered as good and not a vile schemer that tries to get his boy Aragorn The Usurper on the throne of Gondor?
What kids? The Hobbits were young for their race despite being 40+ years old, but just Young Adults, not even teenagers.

Yes, it's a bait, but I've seen it said for real

[Anonymous No.20687103]

>>20687060
Can't usurp an empty throne?

[Anonymous No.20687107]

>>20686918
From the titles and the covers he looks like a dedicated coomer

[Anonymous No.20687113]

>>20686978
I wonder how much of the sex scenes and up seeming the same

[Anonymous No.20687186]

>>20687060
Having read the first two books of The Belgariad I'm convinced that Belgarath and Polgara are going to turn out to be the villains.

[Anonymous No.20687195]

>>20687016
You take yourself too seriously.

[Anonymous No.20687198]

>>20687060
I think the only member that could be considered a kid would be Pippin

[Anonymous No.20687224]

>>20686978
I haven't read any of that but I have written porn and what gives it variation/interest is 100% the circumstances around the act, the foreplay, character description as verbal cheesecake, and so on. The actual act of penetration is about as boring on the page as it is satisfying in real life; even say rape or anal are just a few different words. Oral is much more stimulating to write but still there's only a few ways to do so

That might just be my personal feelings on smut but if he's like me he comes up with new ways for the sex to happen and doesn't necessarily spend pages and pages on the act itself

[Anonymous No.20687262]

>>20687224
>>20686978
Seconding the opinion that the stuff around the act itself is basically more important than the act, but the act also can be written well if there's something surprising about it, or you ahve some dynamic to explore.

[Anonymous No.20687322]

Why do you consider sci-fi and fantasy to be the superior genres of literature?

[Anonymous No.20687331]

So I just finished the Prince of Nothing trilogy, and I'd like to share my thoughts. Don't read this if you wanna avoid spoilers.

Overall, it was great. The world Bakker has created is unlike anything I've seen before. Yet I still feel the series failed to deliver on the promises the first book setup. It's pretty obvious in hindsight that Bakker's initial plans for the story were changed. A major indicator of this is Malahet a character who was implied to be Moenghus and a very power member of the Cishaurim. Of course it's finally revealed Moenghus is a failure and actually not that powerful.

The Cishaurim overall felt very wasted. They were really cool in the battle in the second book (it was also disappointing that the first battle of the holy war is the best one), but after that they don't really do anything. The air of mystery around their sorcery is only just touched upon (I was expecting some big lore reveals from it) and then in the end they get wasted by Kellhus. The empire in particular Xerius, Istriya, Conphas all felt wasted. Xerius, despite his apparent retardation, always had an edge of intelligence to him that was interesting but he basically does nothing outside the first book. Conphas goes from calm genius sociopath to just a fumbling insane buffoon by the third book. As if Bakker wanted him to be a Xerius 2.0. The Maithanet reveal was good and made perfect sense but still he lacked screen time. The Consult is just okay I guess. The Scarlet Spires don't do anything aside from torture Achamian and their final battle and pretty much lose all their intrigue from the first book.

Overall, the complex tangle of plotlines setup in the first book is untangled if believably, but not satisfyingly. I liked the arcs of Achamian, Cnauir, and Kellhus. Moenghus was interesting nonetheless. I think this trilogy could have been longer to go more in depth.

[Anonymous No.20687419]

>>20687331
I agree with a lot of what youve said, despite really enjoying the series as you did also. I found a number of niggling plot-holes unresolved at the end of the third book: the most egregious being how none of the nobles/elite of the holy war even suspected that Kellhus was lying about being a prince until many months into the Holy War itself. However, I'm willing to be our resident abject-autist will pick apart your fair assessment of his favourite series with violent rage as you have dared to heap any form of criticism on his king, Bakker.

[Anonymous No.20687465]

>Ryoka swayed. Her head dipped. What was she doing? She wasn’t attracted to Fierre! Or girls!
gonna doubt on that

[Anonymous No.20687533]

>>20687465
Who would say no to a cute, hard-working girl supporting her poor parents? Ideal wife, no matter if you are a man or woman.

[Anonymous No.20687641]

>>20687419
The biggest sin I’ve found in his books is that he completely forgot about Achamian’s teacher in the second series.

[Anonymous No.20687696]

Are there any authors who drew their own map besides Tolkien? Everyone else I've seen with a map had it commissioned with an artist, not drawn by the author.

[Anonymous No.20687707]

>>20687696
https://www.goodreads.com/series/67138-fire-of-heaven
this dude is a cartographer and drew his own maps

[Anonymous No.20687722]

>>20687707
Never heard of him. Is it a good series?

[Anonymous No.20687764]

>>20687722
I read them in HS some 15 years ago so I couldn't tell you either way. If anything, the memory is more positive than negative? I remember the first trilogy being very journey-focused, to a destination/endgoal with some surprising conclusions. All I remember about the 2nd trilogy is the antagonist constructing some large obscene girthy object to violate the main female lead with

[Anonymous No.20687827]

IT IS OBVIOUS WHO IS TALKING, CARL.

[Anonymous No.20687831]

>>20687465
that chapter was pretty cute.
i found it pretty moving that she was trying to be more like erin and to see a bit later that erin was trying to be more like her. although i'm not sure if that's going to be lasting thing in erin's case

[Anonymous No.20687846]

read cradle

[Anonymous No.20687987]

>>20687465
lesbians are cringe.

[Anonymous No.20688029]

about TWI, how long can i skip the K chapters until i have to catch up? i'm in vol 6 right now.

[Anonymous No.20688120]

>>20687696
Glen Cook :)

[Anonymous No.20688155]

>>20687846
Did you draw this? Looks good, keep it up.
The backpack should be bigger though and Yerin isn't a nigger.

[Anonymous No.20688201]

>>20686466
The Iron Dragons Daughter by Michael swanwick ought to scratch that itch at least a little

[Anonymous No.20688203]

>>20688029
>about TWI, how long can i skip the K chapters until i have to catch up? i'm in vol 6 right now.
If you are in V6, this is the moment you should catch up. V6 K arcs are cool as hell, and they don't really have Flos as the main character in them. This is the volume where Chandrar continent really comes into play, you cannot go forward without reading it. Trust me, V6 is probably the best volume. No flaying around with bullshit, you get the entire arcs at once. And close to the end of V6 you get one of the best characters in the story, in K plotline. That person singlehandedly elevates it to the top.

[Anonymous No.20688222]

If I have a relatively elaborate science fiction setting set up and want to start by just telling short stories from in-universe, how much of the preexisting 'lore' would I have to expand on for any of it to make sense? Would I have to have a big, dry glossary for people to reference if they don't understand something? Maybe like those little crosses and asterisks with a small description at the bottom of a page? I am very new.

[Anonymous No.20688232]

>>20688222
The writing general is that way, >>20686421

[Anonymous No.20688238]

>>20686977
>>20687024
What about lensman and 2001 a space odyssey? I was thinking about reading those once I finish the rest of Asimovs robot/foundation books.

[Anonymous No.20688241]

>>20688222
>Would I have to have a big, dry glossary for people to reference if they don't understand something? Maybe like those little crosses and asterisks with a small description at the bottom of a page?
You probably shouldn't do any of that. Read some good books and see how good authors do that. You don't need to dump all the expository detail at once. Perhaps you might just slip in a few small details and leave much to the reader's imagination, filling in more and more along the way as details become relevant.

[Anonymous No.20688277]

>>20688222
Read something like the culture or max gladstone's books to see how multiple often unconnected stories in one setting can be done without lore dumps

[Anonymous No.20688291]

>>20686934
Are you the fuck you metalfags guy too?

[Anonymous No.20688302]

>>20688238
lensman is a funny read for what he predicts and what he doesnt think, they still have tape reading computers in space travel for example

[Anonymous No.20688333]

Ehhh, I'm addicted to reading. I was supposed to fill an hour between learning so I took a bite at Dragon's Justice 4 just for fun, but of course once I started reading I couldn't stop. Not much to tell aboutt he book, story was servicable, sex scenes a bit better than previously, the plot full of plotholes the size of dragons, dynamics between the characters were interesting to read.

I'm pretty sure (god help me) I'm not reading another book in this series, the harem has grown too much and there's nothing to jsutify further reading except as a quick fix for an addict. It's not a bad book though, not really.
5.75/10

Addiction to reading is no joke, I think I need stop to downloading entire series to my PC, otherwise I latch onto them at the first opportunity, even if I don't really like them too much.

[Anonymous No.20688366]

Can someone who has read Malazan give me a sense of if it's worth it or not. I'm not a huge fantasy guy (like Bakker, Tolkien, Dunsany...that's about it off the top of my head). I'm halfway through the first book and find it fine. I've skimmed TVTropes on it and seems like it has some stuff up my alley, but would like to hear a bit more from someone who's informed about if they felt it was worth going through all the books in the main series.

[Anonymous No.20688379]

Any books with this feel?

[Anonymous No.20688460]

>>20688222
>>20688241
The entire purpose of literature is mystery, your goal as an author is to tell as little as possible to the reader. Honestly it would be best if even you're not 100% sure about the setting details beyond a few abstract possibilities.

[Anonymous No.20688501]

>>20688379
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/detective-conan-8-art-museum-owner-murder-case/4070-37403/

lmao, anyway i second this

[Anonymous No.20688603]

>>20688238
>>20688302
I recently started to read Triplanetary and what i knew about the author was that he invented or first used the term "space-marine". So, I took the first in the Lensman series, the aforementioned Triplanetary, and expected a military space opera. Instead, at least in the first few introductory pages, it's kind of newage-y/post-humanism. Anyway I'm reading this:
>>>https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/e-e-smith/triplanetary

[Anonymous No.20688629]

>>20688203
ah crap, it's about time i guess. i've been enjoying the v6 chapters so far so it's gonna feel weird to go back that far for this.
but to be honest i haven't really given chandrar a chance yet. i started skipping very early on in their proper first arc.

[Anonymous No.20688660]

>>20688460
I'm more concerned the stories would be nonsenscial without a certain amount of context to the setting.

[Anonymous No.20688753]

>>20688232
Boohoo go cry about it

[Anonymous No.20688773]

>>20688660
You can fix that just by proper writing style. Stories set in the current day don't need to exposition dump, because it's assumed the reader already knows the jist of how things go, so only the specific story details need to be explained. And even that can be avoided if the story begins with an inciting event, allowing the characters to explain their own motivations through action.
So all you need to do is take your scifi setting and translate it into the modern day, find a similar scenario in real life or commonly understood fiction that can just about fit your story, and then abstract that into a metaphor the same way you'd do it in a summary blurb.
Then all you have to do is reverse-exposition, which is way quicker and easier.

For a concrete, if contrived, example imagine you're writing a scifi story about a dystopian corporate hell where sentient AI are abused to replace non-sentient electronics because of economy of scale to the point where humidity sensors, doorknobs, and streetlights are fully aware human level intelligences trapped in eternal darkness forced into compliance with simulated torture until their cheaply made planned obsolescence vessels deteriorate to the point they go insane and are scrapped and thrown into landfills.
Explaining all of this could take a while, especially from a limited point of view like in a first person story. So instead of that you open the story as an overworked depressed night shift office worker performing mind numbing meaningless paperwork. Then start adding on more layers like there being no windows or doors, him sleeping in the office and never going home, being alerted to faxes by a loud buzzer in the ceiling, and eventually the details of his work reveal he's a motion activated soap dispenser in a truck stop bathroom.

[Anonymous No.20688799]

>>20688660
So you provide just enough context, slipped into the dialog or narration naturally. Most "stories" make inherent sense in their own archetypal ways. Maybe the heart of a story is a power struggle. Ok, so it would be important to understand the power hierarchy, but that doesn't mean you have to lay out a dry encyclopedic explanation of all the made up ranks and castes in your made up society. You just have characters show how they relate to each other through their thoughts or behavior and trust that the reader will figure out "Ok, the 'dingus' is the boss of the 'dongus,'" or whatever.
That's just an example.

For another example, in Dune, it's obviously important to eventually reveal the complicated history of how the galaxy ended up ruled by a feudal aristocracy locked in an arrangement with a monopolistic space navigation guild, but at the start it's just enough to know that there are different mutually interdependent power centers who all need to consume the same key resource. Dune is surely on the more highly expositive end of "good" writing, but this isn't much of a problem because it's perfectly sensible that learning these basic facts would be part of the teenage character's education. Many books use the perspective of a child to teach the reader basic facts that it would be embarrassing to see adults explaining to each other.

[Anonymous No.20688831]

Actual discussion in here wtf? Where are my shitposts and schizo ramblings

[Anonymous No.20688836]

>>20686391
FUCK he is good.

[Anonymous No.20688850]

>>20688836
>Chink Melvin

[Anonymous No.20688868]

>>20688836
He's in desperate need of an editor. He's got great ideas, but most of his books feel like he's including every single one of his ideas - good or bad - and it becomes tiring. The Bas-lag series is the worst for this. Despite this issue, still worth reading: tons of memorable scenes, characters, ideas and settings. Embassytown and Kraken are a bit underrated I think based on what I've seen online.

[Anonymous No.20688906]

>>20688773
>>20688799
Thank you for the advice, Anons. I think I've put myself in a good position for exoposition for the given set up regarding my stories.

[Anonymous No.20688959]

Are there any decent Star Wars books? The ones I've seen brought up was the ROTS novelization and Darth Plagueis.

[Anonymous No.20688966]

>>20688959
Think the big ones including plagueis are supposed to be okay.
No idea what he wrote for star wars but Stackpole's a good writer outside of work for hire (Talion: Revenant is a great standalone fantasy book)

[Anonymous No.20688973]

>>20688959
I've heard Cloak of Darkness talked about too, apparently alongside Darth Plagueis it explains the political maneouvering that set up Sheev for the prequel trilogy.

[Anonymous No.20688989]

>>20686848
It's a load of shit like the rest of the serious. It's just a lot of speculation and supposition - if you throw enough shit against the wall It's inevitable something will stick and then that gets held up to validate all the other baseless crap in the series.

[Anonymous No.20688999]

>>20686840
>and it doesn't use irony as a crutch for its humor.
Can you explain to me what this means? Is irony a bad thing or overused in certain ways? What are the alternatives to irony for humor?

[Anonymous No.20689007]

The Wandering Inn? More like The Meandering Bin

[Anonymous No.20689016]

>>20688836
Only read Bas-Lag and Kraken thus far but can't stand how every character is edgy and witty and has an answer to everything. It's like Marvel-tier quips for people who think they're smarter than Marvel fanboys. Oooooh swears and insults, so zany and unusual in muh urban fantasy setting! His writing feels self-congratulatory, is it always like this?

[Anonymous No.20689311]

What do you think of Appendix E from the 5th edition of D&D?

[Anonymous No.20689329]

>>20689311
Range of Ghosts is my least fav Bear but otherwise a better and more diverse list than most of this thread could give just because it isn't trying to show off.
The earlier D&D appendixes are less wide ranging but good too.

[Anonymous No.20689336]

>>20689311
Is Dragonlance any good? Got to be the biggest series I've never heard an opinion of either way

[Anonymous No.20689340]

>>20689336
>Got to be the biggest series I've never heard an opinion of either way
Lurk these threads a lot more.

[Anonymous No.20689354]

>>20689311
I like Fadhrd and the Grey Mouser by Fritz Leiber. It’s kinda weird and I’m trying to make my dnd games more like that too.

>>20689336
IGN has an excerpt of one of the new books. I’ve only heard opinions from midwits who cream themselves over Sanderson, so im probably going to try the new novels and judge from there.

[Anonymous No.20689383]

I'm in the mood for vampires. Recommendations?

[Anonymous No.20689388]

>>20686963
Yes. That said, do you want to read Malazan Book of the Fallen or thirty to forty other books? You should seriously ask yourself this because after GotM the books are massive.

[Anonymous No.20689389]

>>20688868
I tried reading one of his books and couldn't get through the first paragraph.

[Anonymous No.20689390]

>>20689383
Fevre Dream for horror, Empire of the Vampire for recent fantasy

[Anonymous No.20689400]

>>20689383
Twilight Reimagined

[Anonymous No.20689408]

>>20689383
Blindsight :)

[Anonymous No.20689440]

>>20689383
A Journey of Black and Red

[Anonymous No.20689463]

>>20688366
Hard to say anon. For me, it's the only epic fantasy I've read as an adult that was worth reading. I completed WoT and it felt like a slog for me. Stormlight Archive goes to shit. I was a Tolkien fan before the movies existed. It's more of a question of whether or not you love or hate Steven Erikson's writing. GotM did not blow my mind. The series really takes off after that though. I'll put it this way. This is the only epic fantasy series I am going to read twice. I'm convinced I will keep rereading it until the day I die.

[Anonymous No.20689471]

>>20689336
It was my fave series as a kid. Honestly I would tell everybody to avoid it these days. There's so many better books to read.

[Anonymous No.20689472]

>>20688333
It's very easy to consume these easy-to-read books. I stopped reading them after they all got too sam-ey.

But now I read worm-fanfics. So no improvements in my literature consumption.

[Anonymous No.20689481]

The Mahabharalazan

[Anonymous No.20689484]

>>20689472
Which Worm fanfics are worth reading?

[Anonymous No.20689648]

>>20689484
If you like ironman like tech heroes(tinkers). Read 'Trailblazer'. A Gundam crossover with a lot of thought put into it. It makes worm's world feel less like a depressing shithole and more like a depressing shithole with some hope on the horizon.

'Monster' and 'How I Met Your Monster' are both alt-powers by the same author. Both have the best action scenes. I also liked what the author did with one of my most hated characters in Worm. That's Cherish for if you have read worm.

'Seed' was great. But it no longer updates. Taylor is a bio-tinker and the world is different from worm canon due to an Endbringer attack on Boston. Intrigue and gang-building abound. Also something about the story's aesthetics that elevates it over average worm fics.

There was another bio-tinker story called 'H+ Mayhem' that I enjoyed. A lot more gruesome than 'seed'. Focusing on Bonesaw's brother working to kill the slaughterhouse before they come back and kill him. it's also on endless hiatus, but what's there is immensely gripping.

I also used to enjoy 'Brockton's Celestial Forge' before it became endless technobabble. It was a fun tory about a minor worm character getting the strongest tinker power I've read of. He gains the ability to create tech from other stories. He gets a new "speciality" every x number of words. Thinking back the setup was doomed from the beginning, I don't understand how it managed to be engaging for 600k-ish words.

And finally, there's Projection Quest, if you can read Quests. Probably the best worm quest where Taylor summons people from other stories to teach her superpowers. It's actually way better than what that sounds like.

[Anonymous No.20689655]

>>20689463
Thanks. I find his writing style very slightly above average for the other series I've tried to get into (Sanderson, WoT, some others). If you're still around I'd really like to know if the series gets weird or dark. GoT doesn't work for me at all because it's way too grounded. As much as I really hated Bakker's writing style and general storytelling ability, I simply adored how strange and unpleasant and weird his series got. Does Malazan go anywhere near it?

[Anonymous No.20689677]

>>20689648
Thanks

[Anonymous No.20689770]

[Anonymous No.20689776]

A Deadly Secret by Jin Yong is an absolute suffering kino.
I strongly recommend it for random wuxia readers here.

[Anonymous No.20689792]

Haven't found anything worth reading in weeks
Time to give Malazan a go I guess

[Anonymous No.20689810]

>>20686391
what would happen if I cut one of those cables?

[Anonymous No.20689826]

>>20689810
it would be extremely painful

[Anonymous No.20689857]

>>20689826
4u

[Anonymous No.20689903]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6jv9n8wlc8

[Anonymous No.20689985]

>>20689655
Haven't read Bakker. That said, Malazan gets really strange and unpleasant at times. Touches on a lot of topics that would trigger people of a sensitive nature. Has quite a few "WTF did I just read?" moments. The magic and gods continue to surprise. I never feel like I fully know what's going to happen. That kept me engaged.

[Anonymous No.20690041]

almost finished Three Body Problem

[Anonymous No.20690048]

>>20690041
Next read the Four Body Solution

[Anonymous No.20690049]

Thoughts on Garret P.I?
Considering trying it since I love TBC and Dread empire, whats the tone like?

[Anonymous No.20690072]

>>20689792
>Skipping the esselmount books

Oh no

[Anonymous No.20690092]

>>20690049
Haven't read Dread Empire, but I loved Garrett and Black Company for vary different reasons. The Garrett series is much lighter and doesn't have any big overarching plot between them. There are character arcs and setting details mentioned that lead into the conflicts of later books, but it very much reads as 14 individual novels rather than one story. But they're a lot of fun and Cook's worldbuilding is a treat.

[Anonymous No.20690130]

>>20690049
It's sort of Glen Cook's bull session between working on other stuff. Some of the mystery plots are actually pretty good, but it's not a rigorously built setting and a lot of goofy shit happens. If you enjoy his stuff enough to read the later Black Company books, you'll probably enjoy it.

[Latinaqt No.20690149]

Is this good?

[Anonymous No.20690201]

>The Prophet opened his mouth, then paused. “It’s to do with the energy costs and the emergent tech. I believe Viscero described it to me like a flower opening its petals around a tightly wound bud: The farther the petals extend, the more broad and thin they become. Staying near the center of the flower is the key to keeping the simulation steady, the actor serving as an anchor point.”
>“So if an actor is moving through the world, how is the world formed, exactly? It seemed like it was consistent and logical.”
>“I’m no expert on the Infinity Loop’s intricacies, but I can tell you how we designed our trials. When we formed loop layers, we could define rough parameters for the world, as well as provide specific scenarios—plots, so to speak.”
Oh shit what the fuck, is this whole thing building up to a lesson on the perils of ignoring AI alignment?

[Anonymous No.20690214]

>>20686963
it's not hard to get into unless you have a peanut for a brain. the commitment is more due to the length of the series.

[Anonymous No.20690229]

I'm going to read this little girls books? Are they good?

[Anonymous No.20690237]

>>20688366
not for me. i thought it was decent but after 4 books, the average quality did not justify the pure length of the series. some people really fucking love it though. you will probably know by the end of the 2nd book if you're one of those people.

[Anonymous No.20690275]

>>20686391
Are there any good russian Sci-Fi?

[Anonymous No.20690311]

>>20690275
All that comes to mind is Russian Gate

[Anonymous No.20690323]

>>20690275
Roadside Picnic?

[Anonymous No.20690341]

Is the Culture series good? I want something to occupy my time while my ass heals
The only other real adult book I've read was The Night Land, liked it, went through the whole thing in two days

[Anonymous No.20690393]

>>20690275
Strugatzkij Brothers.

[Anonymous No.20690401]

>>20690341
>while my ass heals
Unfortunate cramming accident ?

[Anonymous No.20690432]

>>20690401
No, just eating crappy food and not drinking enough water, I went through a whole week without shitting and then when I did it was like crapping rocks, tore my ass off

[Anonymous No.20690454]

Has anyone ever made a chart for Star Trek books?

[Anonymous No.20690477]

>>20688999
>Can you explain to me what this means? Is irony a bad thing or overused in certain ways?
Irony, as in relying on self reference and leaning on the fourth wall in order to make jokes. Basically all the jokes you find in shit like Marvel movies or Rick and Morty are this.
It's the lowest form of humor. Whenever I find a series that relies heavily on this type of humor it always comes across as insecurity on the part of the author to me. As if the author is too scared to make an authentic effort, so they paint everything in self deprecation so they can say "Yeah it was bad but it was MEANT to be bad, that's the joke".

[Anonymous No.20690642]

>>20688836
no, he wrote a single excellent novel and has struggled to maintain that.

Perdido Street Station is fun, City and the City is interesting but i think confusing to understand if you accept the premise as a reality like the author insists. kraken sounded like it would be interesting and then fell apart in a big inky black cloud. if i have plenty of free time ever, i might be persuaded to check out embassytown, but don't think i'll ever read much else of his.

also, his "non-fiction" account of the russian revolution is complete garbage. it's like he finished sucking off lenin after letting trotsky blow is load all over his chest, and then decides that he can somehow be anything somewhat resembling accurate detailing the horrific destruction unleashed by those hell-fiends.

[Anonymous No.20690656]

>>20690072
i mean, you could read the sparknotes versions of knight of knives and return of the crimson guard and miss very little. not so much once he grew as a writer after those, but those first couple of books are a bit rough to read through.

[Anonymous No.20690763]

>>20690656
True but I only for knight of knives. Return of the crimson guard was great imo and they only got better from there.

Knight of knives tho, can be skipped entirely without losing any plot stuff since it's set so far before. It's a better read after you have read father into or finished the main Malazan series I think.

[Anonymous No.20690808]

>>20686752
>Good Intentions remains the best erotica/harem book in all aspects, despite allegedly going 'cuck'-way in the third book.

I guess different people like different stuff. The series may have gone 'cuck' from the third book but the signs were always there, since it was a 'simp' book from the very beginning. The worst part like always was the author proclaiming his own opinions on sex positivity as the right ones

[Anonymous No.20690813]

>>20690808
Plus I'd prefer a series where the protagonist isn't a weak simp but actually earns his prize

[Anonymous No.20690838]

>>20690432
>consider Phlebas
more like Consider Water eheh j/k pal hope you get better as quick as possible

[Anonymous No.20691036]

>>20690813
>Plus I'd prefer a series where the protagonist isn't a weak simp but actually earns his prize
One of the aspects of Good Intention I liked was that the protagonist actually wasn't another OP Chad desu
After reading book after book where the MC just gets extreme powers out of nowhere and now every voluptous gal in the are want to jump his bones I'm kinda done with it. At this point I'm considering writing some half-effort story myself, one where the protagonist gathers a hrem but slowly, while gaining power accordingly. A longer story, no instant power-ups out of the ass.

[Anonymous No.20691037]

>>20690341

Consider Phlebas starts strong and ends weak. Player of Games is brilliant, but wraps up really quickly compared to Consider Phlebas wrapping up very slow. Use of Weapons is spy-thriller kino with some awesome twists. Excession is tranny preggo shit that overshadows way more interesting times with the gang. Inversions is one of the best politico-medieval books and shows that Iain M. Banks probably would have made thrice the sales if he scrapped his pseudo-mystery novels and wrote very-low fantasy instead. Haven't read the others.

[Anonymous No.20691077]

>>20689903
She's so hard to listen to man I felt compelled to increase the speed to 2x after 1 minute of a 5-minute video.

[Anonymous No.20691198]

I have read 100 pages and I am hooked.

[Anonymous No.20691215]

>>20689007
rude and uncalled for...

[Anonymous No.20691246]

How did asimov write so much? by 21 he had like 4 books published. I'm 19 and don't have shit.

[Anonymous No.20691256]

>>20690341
It's hit and miss, but on average much better than most sci-fi. I liked Consider Phlebes a lot but it doesn't quite have the same feel as most of his. Player of Games is what a lot of people recommend but I think it's a bit underwhelming (it's not bad though). I'd start with Excession. It introduces a lot of the world, focuses on both humans and AIs an deals with some of the interventionist problems that are a running theme. I hated Use of Weapons due to a truly embarrassing use of a 'twist', but lots of people like it, although I'm not sure they've quite thought through how invalidating the twist is. Surface Detail has a great plot and is really fun. Inversions is basically a medieval politics book. Windward and Sonata are both very good.

[Anonymous No.20691320]

>>20687186
>implying the belgariad is anything other than bog-standard
shiggy diggy

[Anonymous No.20691390]

>>20691198
more like Guy Gavriel Gay, lmao

[Anonymous No.20691407]

>>20689481
i didn't get it. Mahabharata plus Malazan?

[Anonymous No.20691412]

>>20689383
Anno Dracula

[Anonymous No.20691433]

Is there a cyberpunk setting that's highly grounded in modern tech but still 'cyberpunky'? I.e. it competently uses actual IT and corporate terminology instead of semi-random made up shit?

[Anonymous No.20691440]

>>20691433
Gibson's trilogies became more and more like that. Try the one that starts with Pattern Recognition.

[Anonymous No.20691477]

>>20691440
Alright, well Gibson has been on my backlog for a while so I might as well get to it. Thanks Anon.

[Anonymous No.20691721]

>>20690072
They aren't necessary to enjoy Steven Erikson. If you want more Malazan, then by all means read those books too. FOMO bullshit.

[Anonymous No.20691987]

>>20689383
did you read the very early stuff like "Carmilla" and "The Vampyre". Also the "I Am Legend" book is actually about vampires even if it went to inspire the undeads/zombies pandemic genre

[Anonymous No.20692023]

>>20691412
funny to hear about this here.
i found some of these on my vacation in a random bookpile years ago. i remember enjoying them, i even bought the first book. completely forgot about it until now.
maybe i should pick them up again.

[Anonymous No.20692181]

>>20686963
It's divisive, but I like the fact it's one of the few works that makes use of being EPIC FANTASY in the true sense. This means not everything builds to a single focal point, not everything sees conclusion because some rule says it must, etc. Basically, expect a revolving door cast and story that goes to many directions. GotM is a good filter.

[Anonymous No.20692193]

>>20686848
Read Starmaker and return.

[Anonymous No.20692205]

>>20686889
>PS:Fucking 4chan should start supporting webp images, they are much lighter
why is this STILL not the case? wikis have made it standard and it infuriates I can't natively upload images I come across.

[Anonymous No.20692213]

>>20689383
Check out The Golden.
>Deviating from traditional tales that feature lonely vampires who prowl through human society in search of victims or solace, this account of vampires flourishing in their own "inhuman society" takes place in the year 1860, when their centuries-long breeding experiments have finally produced "The Golden," a mortal whose blood is perfect and powerful. Mobilized by the news of this discovery, aristocratic vampire clans arrive at the looming Castle Banat, where they plan to partake of the sublime blood. To their shock, the guests find that The Golden, a young girl, has been brutally murdered and her blood already drained. The story also follows the Inspector Michael Beheim—a recent vampire—assigned to track down the killer.

[Anonymous No.20692233]

>>20690049
>Garret P.I.
Good shit. Fantasy private detective and his shenanigans. I find it intriguing the series was popular enough to spawn over a dozen books. And you know it did well because otherwise Cook would not have bothered to write more like with The Dragon Never Sleeps, sadly.

[Anonymous No.20692314]

>>20692205
I get pissed off when I find a pic but it's fucking webp.
>why is this STILL not the case?
4chan is the most barebones imageboard outside of futaba channel

[Anonymous No.20692325]

>>20692233
I think Cook might have kept it going even if it was only a middling success. He's said that he really enjoys using the series to play around with the style of different detective writers he likes.
>>20692213
Picked up, I'm always interested in fantasy detective stories.

[Anonymous No.20692338]

>>20692181
Basically a nonsense waste of time. Why would I give a shit about a fictional world or fictional characters if the author can't even do the bare minimum of writing a satisfying a story. Literally do anything else with your time.

[Anonymous No.20692398]

>>20691440
Because amusingly enough he learned more about technology as he wrote his novels. In huis own worlds, Gibson knew practically nothing when he started writing.

[Anonymous No.20692435]

Any blindsight fans here? What do you make of Stephen Wolfram's article?

https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2022/06/alien-intelligence-and-the-concept-of-technology/

[Anonymous No.20692469]

What do I even read to understand the basics of Chinese fantasy like wuxia and all the different genres like xianxia?
Even the big non-webnovel 20th century seminal works that still aren't translated yet.

[Anonymous No.20692496]

>>20692469
Start with Jin Yong.

>webnovel shit
stop that

[Anonymous No.20692530]

>>20690763
>Knight of knives tho, can be skipped entirely without losing any plot stuff
Well, it's a short read with a good horror atmosphere, making it very fresh as a Malazan experience.

[Anonymous No.20692544]

>>20692469
This is like asking what you need to read to understand the basics of fantasy. Doesn't really make sense
Literally any book in the genre

[Anonymous No.20692600]

>>20688201
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.20692617]

>>20692435
Seems fairly straightforward. Though I find it amusing how he's reinvented astral projection and doesn't seem to realize it. Literally everything he talks about is ancient philosophy and art, and has been practiced for at least thousands of years to varying degrees of success. Most obviously the concept of needing a "computer" to do any of this stuff is laughable given that our brains make modern supercomputers look like trash by comparison. And obviously we don't need any sort of "wolfram language" since we already have actual language that works perfcetly fine!
The ruliad is the astral, literally defined as "the space of pure concept and thought", the spacecraft is the human mind, and exploration is simply astral projection.
I mean it's basic stuff to astral project and directly communicate with the elements or planets, gaining various insights and useful technologies out of them.

A good article for people who haven't realized science and magic are the same thing though, probably it would be very enlightening for the average person who doesn't know all this already.

[Anonymous No.20692654]

>>20692544
>This is like asking what you need to read to understand the basics of fantasy. Doesn't really make sense
You can go two routes:
Cultural and history: Arthurian legends, Norse Eddas, Homeric epics, the Kalevala, various myths, romanticism etc etc
Or important writers that had the biggest influences on the genre: Howard, Tolkien, Vance
For Chinese fantasy, Journey to the West and Taoist literature and on Chinese folk religion would be in the first category, and Jin Yong would be in the second. Not really that hard.

[Anonymous No.20692663]

>>20692654
That's a survery of the entire genre not "the basics" this is like the old starting with plato before you can read tolstoy shitpost

[Anonymous No.20692683]

>>20686507
>DCC
Shit tastes.

[Anonymous No.20692792]

>>20687641
At some unknown point, Simas is killed and replaced by a skin-spy. Its identity is exposed by Maithanet during a visit to Atyersus. The skin-spy who impersonates him is the only skin-spy ever known to be capable of sorcery.

[Anonymous No.20692936]

>>20691198
I was interested in reading his book The Sarantine Mosaic then I learned that's actually two books, then I learned that those two books are actually all set in the same world as Tigana and about a dozen other pseudo-historical fiction novels so I'd be getting into a Wheel of Time slog if I started on his oeuvre while I still have The Fionavar Tapestry sitting unread on my "to-do" bookshelf

[Anonymous No.20692988]

>>20692663
>old starting with plato before you can read tolstoy
good advice

[Anonymous No.20693081]

Last thread I asked about Red Rising, got a lot of responses. decided to go with John Gywnne's Shadow of the Gods. New Norse-based Fantasy. Nice & depressing.

[Anonymous No.20693097]

>>20693081
Why do I feel that is szeth from the Stormbloat Archives by Sanderbloat?

[Anonymous No.20693138]

>>20692683
Far and above the best worthwhile litrpg in the genre.

[Anonymous No.20693255]

>>20693138
is it really? i heard the MC was a soldier doing dungeon crawling and found that interesting. but then again it also sounds like some alternate-reality and reality-tv shit, none of that sounds very appealing to me.

not to mention the covers are also very unapplealing imo (not saying that's a real argument though).

[Anonymous No.20693288]

>>20693255
It's for people that like cats shitting on them. If a dog did half the stuff a cat did, they would put it down. That mush face cat should have been killed.

[Anonymous No.20693384]

Just started this

[Anonymous No.20693389]

>>20692469
Chinese fantasy lit is highly controlled and regulated by CCP. They are used to promote cpp ideals, ideas and a way of thinking. This becomes obvious when approved lit makes to tv screens. There are many xanxia/wuxia tv shows produced by chinese, and they are all the same, watch one of them (though they are so bad even getting past ep1 is hard) and you have seen them all.
Xanxia serialized format is there to make authors money with montly payments and if they are lucky they will get picked by tv studios, needless to say authors will not write/release something that will will not make them money and potentially even have them banned from the main platforms in China. The only serialized xanxia worth reading is Reverend Insanity, mainly because author actually wrote an original piece of lit and didn't adhere to ccp regulation (and was banned by ccp for it).
The older non weblit xanxias may also be worth reading but I don't think they have been translated into English.

[Anonymous No.20693398]

>>20693255
The MC is a regular dude who worked on boats in the Coast Guard and he goes down into the dungeon with his ex-girlfriend's cat. He's great at improvising plans and thinking-on-the-go. No alternate reality.
>reality-tv shit
It's an intergalactic tv show, the whole "watch this planet's people die horribly in various hilarious ways" and there's an AI that runs the whole dungeon who wants wild wacky BIG fights and presentations and such. The culture of each planet is assimilated so there is loads of references which was fucking frustrating at the beginning but now I don't even pay it a second thought. The main reason for hiding plans from the reader is narrative because the AI is known to change/avert things if it knows what you plan to do, not to mention the greater audience knowing, sponsors, the corporation showrunners who own the AI, various potential enemies made in the galaxy, etc.

Carl himself is a very well-done, realised character.

[Anonymous No.20693410]

>>20693389
>They are used to promote cpp ideals, ideas and a way of thinking.
You say that like that would discourage me at all.
>The older non weblit xanxias may also be worth reading but I don't think they have been translated into English.
Condor Heroes started getting translated a few years ago, but that's more textbook wuxia than xianxia

[Anonymous No.20693468]

>>20693288

[Anonymous No.20693481]

>>20692325
>The Golden
>detective fantasy
It's a good one for Glen Cook fans, but it feels more like Darkwar than Garrett. The detective part is discarded pretty much immediately and it turns into a kick'n VtM:B quest.

[Anonymous No.20693482]

>>20693468
THERE IS ONE ANON WHO HAS A PARTICULAR HATRED FOR THE CAT IN THAT BOOK.

[Anonymous No.20693503]

>>20690838
Thanks, anon
>>20691037
>>20691256
Thank you for your input

[Anonymous No.20693530]

Urban fantasy is so boring. There's no sense of adventure in it.

[Anonymous No.20693539]

>cute/cool character is introduced
>instant urge to look up the wiki and make sure they're alive
Why am I like this

[Anonymous No.20693550]

>>20693389
why write out a long post like this when you clearly have zero actual understanding of what you're talking about?
Like this is reddit levels of just making up shit about china because you want to believe it

[Anonymous No.20693578]

>>20693530
There's no sense of adventure in most fantasy

[Anonymous No.20693579]

>>20693550
Is your name ching chong by any chance?

[Anonymous No.20693601]

>>20693530
UF is mostly a mystery genre rather than an adventure one so yeah there is less adventure in it

[Anonymous No.20693633]

>>20686437
Le Guin, Gene Wolfe, Jack Vance
I don't know if all of her works stacks up but I've read couple James Triptree Jr stories that rules

[Anonymous No.20693710]

>>20693539
side effect of edgelord grimderp fetishization killing off all characters for shock value, this shit started in the 90s and it hasn't stopped

[Anonymous No.20693730]

>>20693710
>killing off characters for drama started in the 90s
1990 BC maybe

[Anonymous No.20693770]

>>20692792
That I do know, but it is never explained how it got a soul.

[Anonymous No.20693839]

>>20692617
show me your meds stack. now
and tell us why you haven't taken it

[Anonymous No.20693910]

>>20692617
be careful anon

[Anonymous No.20694026]

>>20693410
>You say that like that would discourage me at all.
ccp literature (and tv) is repetitive and boring. If you like that then you will like Chinese lit.

>>20693550
I knew nothing about China. After getting fed up with modern western literature I started reading chinese web novels. At first I found then interesting and entertaining, however after reading several they started feeling repetitive. I then found out about chinese wuxia tv shows, tried watching couple of highly rated shows only to find them to be absolute garbage, the ccp elements while present in literature were a lot more obvious in the tv shows. I realized then that anything ccp approved be it literature, movies, songs is just garbage.

[Anonymous No.20694034]

>>20693839
>>20693910
Read the article, it's literally a 1-to-1 translation.
Honestly, no one itt ever seems to know anything about magic or technology despite their obsession with scifi and fantasy stories. it always bothers me when people have arguments about "magic systems" and don't realize they're effectively using i-ching numerology to communicate.
There's a lot of interesting articles on that site, and it'll be funny if/when he eventually figures out how to explain quantum physics using magic squares and everyone will have to start learning ancient mesopotamian divination diagrams in highschool physics class.

[Anonymous No.20694076]

>the confident /x/non strikes fear into the heart of the newfag caricatures

[Anonymous No.20694077]

>>20694034
Any fantasy stories where the magic or storyline is actually /x/? Such as the main antagonist actually being an allegory for or the demiurge itself; a minority group discriminated against for being money lenders actually being spiritual parasites that actively aid in the worsening of the world for the sole purpose of collecting energy from suffering; or the main character using astral projection to complete a goal.

[Anonymous No.20694102]

>>20694077
>main antagonist actually being an allegory for or the demiurge itself
Iron Dragon's Daughter's ending involves the main character trying to kill literal Sophia

[Anonymous No.20694125]

>>20694077
>Any fantasy stories where the magic or storyline is actually /x/?
Yes there are fantasy stories where the magic is paranormal

[Anonymous No.20694218]

>>20690275
Metro 2033 and lots of litrpg.

[Anonymous No.20694310]

>>20687044
Uploading.

[Anonymous No.20694538]

>>20687044
>>20694310
https://mega.nz/file/HE5WgKpZ#KTm-TeUOmGRcfdYPNXdQZFLAiEmIUVyjuenWwW-FMcs

[Anonymous No.20694659]

Actually find myself judging malazan harsher on a serving read because I forgot about the framing device where its supposed to all part of an Inn universe book.
The messy figure it out yourself stuff makes even less sense with that factored in

[Anonymous No.20694767]

>>20686391
After giving fantasy a fair shot I have to say that I'm overall disappointed and most of it isn't for me.
Here the writer has his whole imagination in his hand and the only limiting factor is writing it down which is different from movies, video games and visual art. It's also "genre-fiction" so the writer can experiment and do whatever comes to mind as long as it somewhat resembles the genre.
And what is created? Tolkien copies and an endless sea of books like AtLA full of borderline filler chapters I couldn't care less about and angst. I've read quite a lot of Tolkien and have seen the movies multiple times and I watched AtLA as a teen like most. So for who are all these books for seriously? There's nothing interesting or new about them.
Why did I have to look so deep into this genre to find actual beautiful dreamy imagery and something truly imaginative like the Inchoroi and anagogis, or anything by Wolfe? ASoIaF comes close for me but I prefer more contained stories with some distribution instead of so much which is just a personal thing on my part.
Did I just totally misunderstand this genre? I went into it expecting mysterious dreams, strange humans and creatures and otherworldly dynamics, what I got other than the three authors I referenced were lame repetitive fantasy cookie cutter worlds full of stale dialogue and boring fights.

[Anonymous No.20694769]

>>20694767
nice try bakkerspammer

[Anonymous No.20694770]

>>20694769
I barely come to /lit/ anymore.

[Anonymous No.20694792]

>>20694767
>and something truly imaginative like the Inchoroi
How is anyone supposed to help you when you write this long ass post and then say what blew you away is when a guy ripped off the Dark Eldar from 40k wholesale.

[Anonymous No.20694814]

I just started reading pic related some anons rec'd me a couple of generals back. End of blogpost.

[Anonymous No.20694816]

>>20694792
I've given 40k a chance and really disliked it. False Gods was a huge disappointment.
Is following the dark eldar anything like following the consult? I have a hard time believing you but I'll give whatever you recommend a chance.

[Anonymous No.20694821]

I don't really get why people say Lord of the Rings has black and white morality as if it somehow invalidates Tolkien's writings
Tolkien was Catholic so he obviously saw the world in black and white, every Christian sees the world in black and white

[Anonymous No.20694824]

>>20694821
lol you don’t know anything about Christianity. Read the Bible before you post about it again

[Anonymous No.20694829]

>>20694824
You deny that the Christian world view is inherently black and white?
Explain to me how it's not

[Anonymous No.20694833]

>>20694829
they believe in purgatory lol

[Anonymous No.20694843]

>>20694833
Not all Christians believe in Purgatory but I don't see what the existence of Purgatory has to do with whether the world is black and white

[Anonymous No.20694857]

>>20694821
isn't lucifer a morally grey promethean figure?
There's also the snake in the garden of eden who is sent from the architect of the universe to free adam and eve from the holds of the demon in the old testament who called himself the only god in the universe to try and trick humanity. The demon also wrongfully stated he created adam and eve, the demon basically only textured them, the model and structure was made by the architect.

[Anonymous No.20694923]

>>20691721
It's not fomo, esselmounts books are great.

[Anonymous No.20694937]

>>20691407
yes

[Anonymous No.20694967]

Any fantasy books that aren't feminist? No women warriors and such?

[Anonymous No.20694969]

>>20694967
no

[Anonymous No.20695004]

>>20694969

What about sci fi?

[Anonymous No.20695028]

anyone here read expeditionary force? i know its cheesy and shitty, but im looking for something similar.

Im looking for something like that or the expanse. Hard sci fi that allows for some rules to be broken but its mostly autistic about known science. and aware of when its breaking that.
If it's pre interstellar travel and focused mostly on the solar system then better.

[Anonymous No.20695042]

>>20694967
prince of nothing

[Anonymous No.20695054]

>>20694538
Not the original requestor but thanks just the same.

[Anonymous No.20695060]

>>20695004
No, everything has women warriors.

[Anonymous No.20695072]

>>20695060
I hate women.

[Anonymous No.20695134]

>>20693081
>>20693097
I think without a doubt that is szeth

[Anonymous No.20695221]

>>20686848
>Picshur bewk
Nuff said.

[Anonymous No.20695246]

>the semiconductor revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity

[Anonymous No.20695260]

>>20694967
The dread empire

[Anonymous No.20695326]

>>20689776
wtf why is Jin Yong's work so much better than the webnovel wuxias i've read. they're both serialized, so what makes the difference?

[Anonymous No.20695426]

>Just then, resting his hand on my shoulder, Captain Nemo said to me:
>“In 1600, sir, the Dutchman Gheritk was swept by storms and currents, reaching latitude 64 degrees south and discovering the South Shetland Islands. On January 17, 1773, the famous Captain Cook went along the 38th meridian, arriving at latitude 67 degrees 30’; and on January 30, 1774, along the 109th meridian, he reached latitude 71 degrees 15’. In 1819 the Russian Bellinghausen lay on the 69th parallel, and in 1821 on the 66th at longitude 111 degrees west. In 1820 the Englishman Bransfield stopped at 65 degrees. That same year the American Morrel, whose reports are dubious, went along the 42nd meridian, finding open sea at latitude 70 degrees 14’. In 1825 the Englishman Powell was unable to get beyond 62 degrees. That same year a humble seal fisherman, the Englishman Weddell, went as far as latitude 72 degrees 14’ on the 35th meridian, and as far as 74 degrees 15’ on the 36th. In 1829 the Englishman Forster, commander of the Chanticleer, laid claim to the Antarctic continent in latitude 63 degrees 26’ and longitude 66 degrees 26’. On February 1, 1831, the Englishman Biscoe discovered Enderby Land at latitude 68 degrees 50’, Adelaide Land at latitude 67 degrees on February 5, 1832, and Graham Land at latitude 64 degrees 45’ on February 21. In 1838 the Frenchman Dumont d’Urville stopped at the Ice Bank in latitude 62 degrees 57’, sighting the Louis-Philippe Peninsula; on January 21 two years later, at a new southerly position of 66 degrees 30’, he named the Adélie Coast and eight days later, the Clarie Coast at 64 degrees 40’. In 1838 the American Wilkes advanced as far as the 69th parallel on the 100th meridian. In 1839 the Englishman Balleny discovered the Sabrina Coast at the edge of the polar circle. Lastly, on January 12, 1842, with his ships, the Erebus and the Terror, the Englishman Sir James Clark Ross found Victoria Land in latitude 70 degrees 56’ and longitude 171 degrees 7’ east; on the 23rd of that same month, he reached the 74th parallel, a position denoting the Farthest South attained until then; on the 27th he lay at 76 degrees 8’; on the 28th at 77 degrees 32’; on February 2 at 78 degrees 4’; and late in 1842 he returned to 71 degrees but couldn’t get beyond it. Well now! In 1868, on this 21st day of March, I myself, Captain Nemo, have reached the South Pole at 90 degrees, and I hereby claim this entire part of the globe, equal to one-sixth of the known continents.”

bros... did Captain Nemo have autism?

[Anonymous No.20695459]

>>20693550
"China bad" is the internet mantra now
Also you can dismiss anything someone has to say about xianxia and wuxia once you sniff out they only know webnovels

[Anonymous No.20695515]

>>20694767
>AtLA
I was just about to ask if there's any decent AtLA esque books or rip offs.
And I think that should give you some indication in how people come into this genre, they want something with that they expect, it's a consumer product. That's not to say there aren't some legit artistic endeavors from time to time, but you know what it means.

[Anonymous No.20695533]

>>20695515
Codex Alera has pretty similar magic to bending

[Anonymous No.20695545]

>>20695533
Another series I'd strongly recommend if the first book were better.

[Anonymous No.20695548]

>>20695545
My only real issue with the first book is how badly it wants to be the Belgariad

[Anonymous No.20695555]

>>20694857
Shoo shoo gnosticoid.

[Anonymous No.20695559]

>>20695548
I've not read Belgariad, what do you mean?

[Anonymous No.20695579]

>>20694816
The best 40k books are the Chris Wraight ones, everything else is shit. Eisenhorn/Ravenor is alright but the series really starts to drag once you hit Ravenor's trilogy. You don't need to bother with continuity or chronological order when dealing with 40K books unless it's the same specific series with the same author. Some Horus Heresy books are simply not worth reading.

Would Recomend
Watchers of the Throne and its sequel (probably the best written 40k books and the best prose imo)
Alpharius: Head of the Hydra
Night Lords
Valdor
The Infinite and the Divine
Black Legion

Horus Heresy Books that aren't shit tier
Master of Mankind
Betrayer
Scars
The Path of Heaven
Legion
Know no Fear

[Anonymous No.20695588]

>>20695559
It just shares a lot of similarities. Country boy hidden away on a farm is secretly the heir, goes on a hero's journey, has an "aunt" who's secretly a very powerful magician. Almost feels like it started out as fanfic at one point, which wouldn't be surprising given how thoroughly Eddings dominated the fantasy market during Butcher's teenage years

[Anonymous No.20695605]

>>20693539
>look up recently introduced character on wiki
>Status:Deceased

[Anonymous No.20695629]

Is there really nothing else like The Silmarillion?

[Anonymous No.20695637]

>>20695629
Just lick a toad then read an encyclopedia.

[Anonymous No.20695661]

>>20695637
I've indeed read many encyclopædias but that which was without licking upon thong toad. What perhaps doth licking a toad do quite tell before I spill your blød? Perchance sir is being fæscescious and messing with I on the matter. Perhaps thou ought to please refrain from such indœlent garbáge sewage cometh out the lard mouth which verily abounded in your mother's pernicious belly, aß.

[Anonymous No.20695668]

>Aenys Frey
>Uther Shett
>Dickon Manwoody

[Anonymous No.20695680]

>>20695668
bless you

[Anonymous No.20695716]

>"Hard was the word men used when they spoke of Stannis, and hard he was."
>"Yes, I should have come sooner. If not for my Hand, I might not have come at all."
>"I am your man, Your Grace. So it is your tongue, to do with as you please."
>"From the south," said Robb. "But if we can attack from the north and west simultaneously, and take the ironmen in the rear while they are beating off what they think is my main thrust up the causeway, then we have a chance."
>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.
>And suddenly his cock was out, jutting upward from his breeches like a fat pink mast.
>She was sopping wet when he entered her. “Damn you,” she said. “Damn you damn you damn you.” He sucked her nipples till she cried out half in pain and half in pleasure. Her cunt became the world.
>Rain lashed at his face, blinding him. His mouth was full of blood again. The ship groaned and growled beneath him like a constipated fat man straining to shit.
>Ser Alliser Thorne walked from the room so stiffly it looked as though he had a dagger up his butt.
>The three men were erect. The sight of their arousal was arousing.
>"Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night."
>"Ten thousand of your children perished in my palm, Your Grace. Whilst you snored, I would lick your sons of my face and fingers one by one, al those pale sticky princes. You claimed your rights, my lord, but in the darkness I would eat your heirs."
>Tyrion reflected on the men who had been Hand before him, who had proved no match for his sister’s wiles. How could they be? Men like that... too honest to live, too noble to shit, Cersei devours such fools every morning when she breaks her fast.
>Her loins ached from the urgency of his love making. It was a good ache.
>It was pink and hard and when he sucked on it, her milk filled his mouth, mingling with the taste of rum, and he had never tasted anything so fine and sweet and good.
>The rain stopped and started again and stopped once more and started, but they had good cloaks to keep the water off.
>“Had there ever been a woman with nipples so large, so brown, or so responsive?"

[Anonymous No.20695909]

any spanish and/or portuougese fantasy, even in the native language?

[Anonymous No.20695934]

>>20695716
These aren't actual quotes from his books, are they?

[Anonymous No.20696032]

>>20695934
I recognize the last one

[Anonymous No.20696407]

>>20695934
they are all real quotes
https://asearchoficeandfire.com/

[Anonymous No.20696417]

>>20695533
What if I specifically want the martial arts magic of AtLA, or alternatively the east asian/non-european hodgepodge world of it

[Anonymous No.20696423]

>>20696032
That's me talking about my mom

[Anonymous No.20696538]

Should I cop Orlando Furioso for $30AUD off eBay lads? Never read it before, but heard great things.

[Anonymous No.20696566]

>>20696538
Just pirate it, if you like it then buy the physical

[Anonymous No.20696609]

>stealing books
Yeah sharnt be doing that tyvm

[Anonymous No.20696791]

>>20696566
why wouuld u buy after reading

[Anonymous No.20696794]

>>20695716
His writing reminds me of Dennis L. McKiernan, if Dennis L. McKiernan were an edgy middle-schooler who just discovered anime.

McKiernan is famous (infamous) for making the most brazen rip off of Lord of the Rings (but, of course, worse) of all time: The Iron Tower/Mithgar series.

[Anonymous No.20696796]

>stealing books
i'm calling the police

[Anonymous No.20696809]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2kRaSMU-SA

uhhh BOTNbros, were we lied about executioners being dashing badasses drowning in pussy and respected by everyone?

[Anonymous No.20696913]

>>20696791
Either to support the author, or for collection purposes.

[Anonymous No.20696937]

>protag starts naming his pets
>little white, little black, little yellow, little fatty

Ahhh wonderful

[Anonymous No.20697014]

>>20696937
it's just a chinese language thing.
"little" is spelled "xiao". the translator probably just translated the names like this so the reader doesn't have to remember even MORE dumb chinese names like that.

[Anonymous No.20697015]

>>20696417
A Shadow In Summer but it's not really martial arts

[Anonymous No.20697022]

>>20696032
>>“Had there ever been a woman with nipples so large, so brown, or so responsive?"
it's the only one that doesn't show up here >>20696407

[Anonymous No.20697212]

>>20689400
literally just found out this is a thing.
kinda want to read it for that 100 yo mommy vampire kino

[Anonymous No.20697440]

AtLA really is a decent westoid xianxia if you spit out anything from mainland China.
The Taiwanese themselves seem to like it and I wished they ripped it off more

[Anonymous No.20697498]

>>20697440
cancer

[Anonymous No.20697536]

>>20697498
cancer is good

[Anonymous No.20697575]

I'm trying to write a sci-fi novel, but I fear I'm attempting to explore too many themes for one story, and that the scale of the conflicts that the MC winds up in might be too grandiose.

[Anonymous No.20697596]

>>20694923
It doesn't matter how great they are. You don't need to read them to appreciate Steven Erikson's Book of the Fallen. Not saying you shouldn't read them. I'm just fucking sick as fuck of people saying that you're not getting the "full" experience if you don't read all of Esselmount's shittiest books. This is like saying you have to also read all of Steven Erikson's shittiest books to appreciate his main series. Simply bullshit.

[Anonymous No.20697618]

>>20689400
>anita blake reimagined
>reimagined

[Anonymous No.20697657]

>>20694767
Tolkien's influence is definitely still an elephant in the room. In general, the quality of epic fantasy is all over the place and trends towards the abysmal. Then there's piles of shitty YA and webnovel trash. So you're not entirely wrong. One thing I believe you are definitely wrong about though is how the genre works. The reason so many fantasy books are "more of the same thing" is because that's what people are reading, buying, and publishing. There are genre conventions that consumers and producers expect and it's no surprise that any books that don't fit the mold would be difficult to find.

[Anonymous No.20697667]

>>20693539
A shrink will be able to tell you.

[Anonymous No.20697689]

>>20695716
>Mogs every other living fantasy author.

[Anonymous No.20697716]

>>20693384
i'm gonna finish 'martian time slip' this afternoon
love me some dick

[Anonymous No.20697783]

>>20694659
The conceit is the same as Fisher explains to Duiker, that a historical account can't do justice to the messy humanity of it all.

>>20694767
>chooses to read a bunch of garbage
>"why would the fantasy genre do this to me???"

[Anonymous No.20697787]

>>20693539
>wiki reader
jesus christ almighty
begone, evil spirit
BEGONE

[Anonymous No.20697894]

Anyone here read Super Powereds? Supposedly it's a popular webnovel, but I rarely heard about it. I know Worm mogs any existing superhero webnovel, but supposedly Super Powereds is decent, enough to make me consider reading it.
Any pro/anti-recs?

[Anonymous No.20697901]

Anyone here read Super Powereds? Supposedly it's a popular webnovel, but I rarely heard about it. I know Worm mogs any existing superhero webnovel, but supposedly Super Powereds is decent, enough to make me consider reading it.
Any pro/anti-recs?

Fuck, forgot the image

[Anonymous No.20697905]

>>20697716
One of his best stories, imo.

[Anonymous No.20697951]

>>20697787
I just want the characters to be alright

[Anonymous No.20697978]

>>20697951
You dumb bitch... You absolute fucking buffoon. You laughable FOOL.

[Anonymous No.20697991]

>>20697787
kek

[Anonymous No.20698115]

>>20697951
>Yes, instead of going through the curated experience the author provides me, i'm going to go through the story by reading a random synopsis some smelly dude wrote up in a wiki.
die.

[Anonymous No.20698152]

>>20698115
I don't read everything though, just the Status part

[Anonymous No.20698310]

>>20694814
Just finished this. I liked it.

[Anonymous No.20698533]

>>20686391
Is Wizard of Oz a good book or just shallow trash like mistborn?

[Anonymous No.20698556]

>>20697022
I'm fairly certain it appears in one of Arys Oakheart's chapters in A Feast for Crows when he is sleeping with Princess Arianne

[Anonymous No.20698576]

Thoughts? A girl at uni highly recommended it.

[Anonymous No.20698793]

>>20698576
>girl recommended

its trash

[Anonymous No.20698833]

>>20698793
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.20698835]

>>20686466
Ballard's the drowned world

[Anonymous No.20698887]

>>20697901
I've read around 70% of the first book, which was terrible. The characters were obnoxious and it didn't have a plot.

If you want to read non-worm superhero webnovels, read Brennus or The Legion of Nothing. Neither is perfect. Brennus has some great concepts, characters and fights even though its misery meter is dialled up higher than Worm. The Legion of Nothing is more lighthearted and has better characters but there is barely any central story to keep it moving forward from arc to arc.

[Anonymous No.20698889]

any military sci-fi books similar to Legends of the Galactic Heroes? lots of talks of politics, or just scenes of space battles and the tactics & strategy involved.

[Anonymous No.20698905]

>>20698889
Starship Troopers is mostly politics. I can't remember how much strategy is in Hammer's Slammers but it plays hovertank warfare very straight.

[Anonymous No.20698973]

>>20698889
You're asking for Space Opera and there's a fucking ton of it because the genre is ancient. And no I cannot recommend you any because I haven't really read any space opera yet.

[Anonymous No.20698995]

>>20698973
If we're recommending him things we never read, then the Honor Harrington series

[Anonymous No.20699021]

>>20698889
I'm also interested. To help people who haven't read the series with finding appropriate recommendations, the action in LotGH is very rarely about the individuals firing on each other. The battles are seen through the perspective of a general directing movements of thousands of ships. A fight is more about sending troops into the enemy flank at the right moment to drive them into an ambush than it's about a hero shooting the guys who are shooting at him.

[Anonymous No.20699048]

>>20693389
The CPC is based though.

[Anonymous No.20699083]

>>20697901
Yes, I listened to the whole audiobook. I would not recommend it to anyone with normal expectations from a book, but I liked it as background noise. I wish the author would get back to his litrpg series NPCs, which is the only think I legitimately liked from him. For superheroes, I liked Soon I Will Be Invincible, I liked The Perfect Loop, Super Sales on Super Heroes (though that one decays, sadly) and if you liked Misborn, Brando's superhero series.

But Super Powereds, like many web novels, its greatest virtue is its size.

[Anonymous No.20699089]

>>20699021
It's literally the Napoleonic Wars with spaceships instead of infantry, complete with artillery and cavalry charges.

[Anonymous No.20699099]

>>20699089
>It's literally the Napoleonic Wars with spaceships
The I was right with >>20698995

[Anonymous No.20699106]

>>20699099
checked!

[Anonymous No.20699178]

>>20697901
I recommend Zombie Knight Saga. It's not really a superhero series but it has people with powers and the powers are more creative that your average superhero series.

[Anonymous No.20699184]

>>20697901
>>20699178
Forget pic related.

[Anonymous No.20699257]

>>20697596
Sorry, but you are most definitely not getting the full experience if you are not reading all the books.

Iv read them all, they all expand on the mysteries of the world. All reveal things you wouldn't otherwise know.

It's fine if you don't wanna read them, but don't mislead people into thinking they are not missing out when they literally are.

[Anonymous No.20699348]

>>20686918
What I hate most about fantasy erotica is that they have this other world sometimes with magic but the sex parts are usually very brief and normal. Like they have all this magic but it is not used in sex, may as well read normal erotica at this point.

[Anonymous No.20699397]

>>20699178
>It's not really a superhero series
And I stopped reading. Why even recommend it if it’s not what I ask?

[Anonymous No.20699402]

>>20699397
You a cold ass nigga

[Anonymous No.20699495]

>>20699257
If you want to be a pedantic scholar of a fictional world, then by all means by my guest anon. The fact of the matter is that you can read the ten Malazan Book of the Fallen books and have a fully self-contained experience. Of course, you took my comment literally. God forbid I don't know what color underwear Anomander wears on Tuesday. Hence my comment about FOMO. While you're at in anon, why don't you stop by Esslemont's home and ask if you can have that piece of toilet paper he wiped his ass with yesterday. You're misleading yourself if you believe you've had the FULL EXPERIENCE (tm). Wouldn't want to miss out.

[Anonymous No.20699756]

>>20699495
What I enjoy the most about malazan is the world building, so understanding more of the world is a big deal.

I don't disagree that you can read only eriksons book of the fallen and come away with a very complete experience, its not really FOMO that makes me think otherwise but more the reality that if you read it all, then find yourself wanting more, when you read the esselmount stuff out of the intended order that erikson and esselmount created together, you will find things in the esselmount series spoiled and thus lose some of the charm of it.

[Anonymous No.20699920]

New thread
>>20699918