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20658979 No.20658979 [Reply] [Original]

LotR btfo

>> No.20659002

>>20658979
is the series worth the time investment? I've read it's too convoluted and only parts of it are good.

>> No.20659024

>>20659002
>is the series worth the time investment?
No

>> No.20659025

>>20659002
I dropped it a quarter of the way into the first book. Completely incoherent.

>> No.20659029
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20659029

>>20658979
How come it's only available in mass market paperback?

>> No.20659039

>>20659025
Filtered retard.

>> No.20659071

>>20659039
It was right after the magic flying mountain fortress showed up after the wizard battles that I decided I'd had enough.

>> No.20659125

>>20659002
It's post-structuralist, so basically one massive short story anthology, with each book circling a certain event and theme, fluctuating wildly between low & high brow. One of few works of fantasy with truly literary aspirations, but it also asks a damn lot of the reader.

>> No.20659154

>>20658979
>Egalitarianism
Yuck

>> No.20659159

>>20659125
>One of few works of fantasy with truly literary aspirations
Pity it fails so spectacularly at that then. It’s the literary equivalent of a young adult novel. I’ve read children’s novels with more depth.

>> No.20659193

>>20659159
That's why you should read Tolkien, he's the only fantasy author that has any literary merit

>> No.20659202

>there are people on /lit/ who read fantasy other than Lotr
Just play dnd(any B/Xchads here?)

>> No.20659216

>>20659002
its a lot more feminism and sex than LotR if you're fine with that. Overall pretty naive, and politically correct world-view with undertones of ohh look how much blood there is and how though I am in looking at all this blood, and making all these morally ambiguous decisions.

>> No.20659229

>>20659193
>he's the only fantasy author that has any literary merit
Who would you say comes close?

>> No.20659270

>>20659002
The series is so good I don't want to read any other fantasy at this point. It's depressing. There's nothing better than this. First books is weak though.

>> No.20659285

>>20659159
Literally 2deep4you then. Read a postmodernism 101 book and try again.

>> No.20659314

>>20659193
That's not true at all, since Mervyn Peake has more literary merit than Tolkien does. I love Tolkien, but let's be honest here

>> No.20659389

Chain of dogs is one of the best fantasy books I've ever read

>> No.20659461

>>20659029
Paper back is for people that read books

>> No.20659464

>>20659193
Lmao he is a average childrens book author

>> No.20659525

>>20659193
Utterly refuted by Michael Moorcock in his 1978 essay "Epic Pooh".

>> No.20660264

>>20659389
Toll the Hounds is where it's at.

>> No.20660321

>>20659270
>>20659389
listen to these niggas, it's really, really good.

full disclosure, i've read MBotF probably 3-4 times completely, and books 1-4 like 6 or 7 times individually. Gardens of the Moon starts off like a lot of other epic fantasy but doesn't give the readers a lot of clear, black-and-white explanation for the world-building which drives some readers nuts. the characters are real, they have reasonable motivations and reactions, and almost every one of them has a distinct voice (over a cast of hundreds). Erikson gets a bit preachy sometimes, particularly in the last 3-4 books where he let a little too much of his personal life color the writing (death of his father, heavily leaning into leftwing politics, etc.), but it's one of the few completed series of epic fantasy that manages to not only stick the landing, but continually astound through to the final pages. the setting is vast, ancient, and unlike almost anything else i've read. there's a lot of subversion of common fantasy tropes, which felt like an incredible blast of fresh air when these were published in the early 2000's. There's humor, including plenty of gallows humor, but ultimately there's very strong compassion underlying both that and what seems almost endless tragedy.

i find a lot of meaning in these books and will likely continue rereading them every couple of years for the rest of my life. YMMV, but i think the payoff is worth the time commitment.

>> No.20660343

>>20659270
try le guin and wolfe

>> No.20660424

>>20658979
It's my most regretted reading endeavor, and I will not listen to a /lit/ recommendation again. The first book is bewilderingly incoherent and not remotely good, without even the attempt to provide the reader visuals. The rest of the books are a slog. Each book changes the setting and characters until the last couple, so just when you think you might be starting to like someone, they disappear. The stories have no meaning, and whole swaths of text are totally pointless. It's a gigantic waste of time, up there with Game of Thrones, but worse because it's longer.

>> No.20660563

>>20659002
It’s probably the best non-fiction I’ve ever read, even the stupid bits. Really sucks you into the world and makes you give a fuck about the characters.

>> No.20660580

>>20660563
>non-fiction
My iPhones autocorrect just changed fiction to non-fiction. The AI is telling me something.

>> No.20660609

>>20659285
>Literally 2deep4you then
The fact that you can actually compare postmodernists like Pynchon and Dellilo to this tripe that has more worth as toilet paper than literature really says a lot about what a retarded faggot you are. Legitimately contemplate drinking bleach, you are too incompetent to continue living.

>> No.20660841

>>20660580
I have wondered if someone might've isekai'd and came back and wrote their story. (It's also possible that person wouldn't get published because they're a bad writer).

>> No.20661049

>>20660609
He's a genrefag, what else were you expecting.

>> No.20661183

>>20659039
based namefags? they said it was impossible...

>> No.20661219

>>20660264
Nay, Midnight Tides.

>> No.20661229

>>20660609
>iT hAs dRaGoNs iN iT sO it CaNT bE sERiOus LiTTEraTuRe
You reall got me there bud

>> No.20661568

>>20659525
>Michael moorcuck
Opinion discarded.
>>20659464
You clearly have only just watch the movies.

>> No.20661590

>>20659159
Here's the (you), you so desperately wanted. filtered nigger

>> No.20661592

Never gonna happen!

>> No.20661602

>>20660321
tl;dr i disagree and will not expound on why.