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Can any of you esotericists explain the meaning of the “question that could heal the fisher king”? What is this all about? Is it compassion? This is such a central idea in the poem (which has a ton of esoteric symbolism) that I feel like I must be getting filtered.

>> No.20657337

>>20657163
It will make much more sense to you when you realise that Parzival secretly encodes a portion of the history of the bloodline of Christ. The Holy Grail (san greal) is actually just a play of words of 'sang real' (royal blood). The fisher kings are the male sons of the Christ bloodline that due to their lineage are the rightful rulers of all (kings). However, due to the fact that the bloodline needed to be protected, they could not reveal themselves and thus lived secret, idle lives that were mostly spent fishing. Hence, 'Fisher Kings'.

Now that you know this. Everything else about Parzival should slide into place for you.

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>>20657163
Wagner made the theme more central to the story (necessary for a three act drama) by replacing the asking of the question with the return of the spear. Though you will find Wagner changes a lot, the meaning always remains essentially the same. In general Wagner centralises the esoteric themes of the work, such as holy blood and Amfortas' relation to Christ. In his own words on Tristan and the development of his dramatic style: "A glance at the volumen of this poem will show you at once that the exhaustive detail-work which a historical poet is obliged to devote to clearing up the outward bearings of his plot, to the detriment of a lucid exposition of its inner motives, I now trusted myself to apply to these latter alone."

>What is important is not the question, but the recovery of the spear (Cosima's Diary, 30 January 1877).

Another reason Wagner is so enlightening on the source material is how he poietizes in music. Perfectly capturing the young Parsifal's character and adventures:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y309f7HAOrU

>> No.20658060

>>20657163
every body asks "where is the fisher king?" but no one ever asks "how is the fisher king?" /thread

>> No.20658069

>>20657163
Where is the grail?

>> No.20658077

>>20657522
Hello Wagner chad
I enjoyed the Ian Dallas book you recommended two months ago

>> No.20658178

>>20658077
Oh that wasn't me. But I did see that rec and was wondering if it was worth buying. Anything you found particularly interesting in it?