/wg/ Writing General

[Anonymous No.20653140]

The "get ahead" edition

Previous thread: >>20643840

For General Writing
>The Rhetoric of Fiction, Booth
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway
>Steering the Craft, Le Guin
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>How Fiction Works, Wood

YouTube Playlists for Writing
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay Robert Butler
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc

Technical Aspects of Writing
>Garner's Modern English Usage, Garner
>What Editors Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Editing, Ginna
>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, Tufte

Books Analyzing Literature
>Poetics, Aristotle
>Hero With a Thousand Faces, Campbell
>The Art Of Dramatic Writing: Its Basis in the Creative Interpretation of Human Motives, Egri
>The Weekend Novelist, Ray

Note to anyone posting a sample of your writing for critique:
>IF YOU HAVE NOT PERFORMED A CURSORY PROOFREAD, DO NOT EXPECT TO BE TREATED KINDLY. EDIT YOUR WORK FOR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR BEFORE POSTING.

Traditional Publishing
Pros:
>you get to focus mostly on writing
>you must write a proposal to the publishers and sell your story to them
>you make 10-15% profit max, but they also eat all the risk and the costs
>self publishing is basically like running your own company
>you only need to do some simple marketing and reach out to readers
Cons:
>you make 10-15% profit max
>self publishing you make 70%+
>they’ll still require you to do all the leg work of a self published author anyways

Self Publishing Options
>https://archiveofourown.org/
>https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/
>https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/writinglife
>https://www.royalroad.com/
>https://www.scribblehub.com/
>https://www.wattpad.com/

Self Publishing How-To
>risky, but much more profitable
>you must pay for everything yourself
>if you do, you will spend more time on running a business than writing, but can be worth it
>https://selfpublishingwithdale.com/

Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, Mason

Anime Writing (^･o･^)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on26mKakgs
>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-Story

For advertising
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg

AI-generated book covers
>https://nightcafe.studio
>https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini
>https://app.wombo.art/
>https://penguin.jos.ht/
>https://beta.openai.com/playground

/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

Other forums
>https://reddit.com/r/writing
>https://writing.stackexchange.com/

[Anonymous No.20653150]

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence.
Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
The slogan 'Press On!' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
-Calvin Coolidge

[Anonymous No.20653178]

>>20653150
Dr. Phil will rip off your nipples with his favourite pair of Jimmy Choos. I am not telling you this to scare you. I just want you to be prepared when it happens. I talked to him yesterday. He is not pleased, neither with your actions or your thoughts.

[Anonymous No.20653214]

I'll post this again.
I've got about 4000 more words that still need to be edited, but let me know what you think so far and I'll post the rest when its ready.
Thank you.

https://pastebin.com/K1tHeGuA

[Anonymous No.20653215]

>>20653178
This is an amazing paragraph

[Anonymous No.20653216]

I’m making a living off of writing now, a small one for side money, but soon it will blossom more and more until it eclipses my current income.
Writing is earning me just barely under $1,000 a year now if it stayed flat the whole year.
By years end that’ll be closer to $5,000 a year.

[Anonymous No.20653244]

>>20653178
Zippy The Pinhead is back!

[Anonymous No.20653284]

>>20653216
How the hell you get even close to $1000. I only made $50

[Anonymous No.20653298]

Any tips for communicating nonverbal language? Consider the example of Anakin here as the camera pans to him: https://youtu.be/9indFzlY7qg

There's a lot in such a small moment, which I'm sure we've all seen and done thousands of times over, but it's difficult to capture the essence of it with words. You could say he was surprised, or flabbergasted, or flummoxed, but that ranges from too simplistic to too purple and unusual depending on the overall style. But it's also more than surprise, it's confusion, disgust, anger, disbelief, all at once. And to describe all of this is likely just too lengthy to state outright, and might ruin any attempt to convey the situation. And of course there's the physical aspect - the hesitation, the deliberate outstretching of the arms as if to ask the world "What?", the specific comedic beat to it.

How do you generally get such physicality across?

[Anonymous No.20653306]

>>20653298
write it out as best you can
keep revising it until your happy with it
even if it takes a month to do

[Anonymous No.20653310]

>>20653298
>You could say he was surprised, or flabbergasted, or flummoxed,
You're gay, why are you worried about being a good writer? Just tell them you're gay.

[Anonymous No.20653325]

>>20653284
$50 a year? Let me guess, only friends and family bought your stuff, in other words you got a couple pity donations.
I was making $50 a month through patreon just writing fanfiction. You need to market yourself better.

[Anonymous No.20653350]

https://workspace.google.com/marketplace/app/bulk_docs_find_replace/57575149967

bulk find and replace for google docs so you can break your story down into 50K chunks or whatever

[Anonymous No.20653366]

i like courtney's videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m5z1fe1kjE

she makes over 100K a year writing romance. she gives great business advice like what makes a good book cover, how to advertise, how to get reviews, etc
she's a finance, economics major
her best videos are the weekly questions and answer videos, imo

[Anonymous !!vp9sf+fhCh2 No.20653367]

>>20653325
>$50 a year? Let me guess, only friends and family bought your stuff, in other words you got a couple pity donations.
you're such a cunt. this is why everyone hates you meerkatters. you're cumming in your pants to the point where you brag to complete strangers about how much m*ney you're making from advertising. just shut the fuck up. alternatively, post some writing and prove that you're actually worth even $1k a year.

[Anonymous No.20653378]

>>20653367
I agree with you, but seething so hard only proves that statement true.

[Anonymous No.20653384]

>>20653378
proves that statement true? what the fuck are you even talking about?

[Anonymous No.20653387]

>>20653366
>she
operative word here

[Anonymous No.20653389]

>>20653367
Anon, this here is by a top seller on fiverr charging $30 to write 500 words. $1k a year isn't "worth" much at all.

[Anonymous No.20653394]

>>20653216
>making a living
>$1k a year
do you live in ghana? just what we need, scum brained marketers trying to squeeze out money by pumping out erotica and formulaic cozies by the dozen.

[Anonymous No.20653396]

>>20653384
The pity donations, that is.

[Anonymous No.20653401]

>>20653367
Just using some harsh honesty, if your making $50 a year its not even worth trying, just write for fun and forget the money until you come up with a plan.
If you want some of my writing I'm this anon and I'm not actually making any money at the moment, for disclosure. >>20653214

[Anonymous No.20653408]

>>20653396
how does that prove, beyond and to the exclusion of any reasonable doubt, that some random anon received "pity donations" from friends and family? unfuck yourself.
>>20653401
jesus tittyfucking christ. you make money with THAT? you must be a marketing fucking genius to convince anyone to read that, much less give you money for it.

[Anonymous No.20653420]

>>20653325
Meerkating skum
>OUT!

[Anonymous No.20653421]

>>20653408
>jesus tittyfucking christ. you make money with THAT?
Not yet, maybe one day.

Do you have a paypal or something? After that I feel kind of sorry for you and want to send you $5

[Anonymous No.20653434]

>>20653401
It's funny, I followed a meerkaters advice and haven't made any significant increase in sales. Everytime I ask for help, no meerkater actually gives out advice, it's just
>Market yourself better bro!
Even Patreon dollars aren't getting anything. Twitter, tik tok, Facebook, Instagram and nothing works. No examples of advertisements they use, no samples of genres they write. Nothing but the excuse
>I don't want to be associated with 4chan!!!
Reddit doesn't help either

[Anonymous No.20653449]

>>20653434
>I don't want to be associated with 4chan!!!
yeah, at a certain point it comes time to put up or shut up. none of the meerkatters are willing to put up. to be fair, they don't seem inclined to shut up either, but the time to do so is long past due. it's hilarious that in a writing thread people need to come in here to brag about how much money they make, as if we're on /biz/ discussing how to make money off of products. it's just sad. they're like the palsied and syphilitic version of those sad 50 year olds driving glitzy sports cars because they think anyone gives the slightest shit how much money they have.
>verification not required

[Anonymous No.20653452]

>>20653434
Well, you have to build a following, which takes time. Which means, outside of writing good stuff you also have to not be an ignorant human being so people actually care to hear what you have to say. Then play the social media game a little.

I'm only guessing, I've only ever made $50 a month from patreon and that was years ago.

[Anonymous No.20653461]

>>20653408
So was it not your family then?

[Anonymous No.20653466]

>>20653452
>outside of writing good stuff
this is the problem. in a general thread full of beginners and hacks, the focus is always and strictly "outside of writing good stuff." try actually fucking writing good stuff. if what you write is actually-good, it will do the rest on its own. it it's not actually-good, why the fuck are you advertising it? why are you going so far out of your way to promote something? i guarantee you that EVERY SINGLE ONE of us is better served by focusing on the "writing good stuff" part, and letting the rest of the chips fall as they will.

[Anonymous No.20653480]

>>20653466
Agree 100%, but unless you get picked up by an agent or something you'll also need some marketing skills to get your work out there.
Obviously, don't waste advertising dollars (or effort) on shit writing that no one wants to read.

[Anonymous No.20653486]

>>20653449
>the time ... is long past due
Mmm please post your writing, I need a laugh.

[Anonymous No.20653497]

>>20653452
But these people write absolute garbage and claim they're making $2000 a month

[Anonymous No.20653499]

>>20653497
Does it make you seethe?

[Anonymous No.20653507]

>>20653486
>Mmm please post your writing, I need a laugh.
fuck off, retard. you're a gigantic leech. you come here only to brag to strangers and get some weird narcissistic energy boost from it.

[Anonymous No.20653537]

>>20653499
Incredibly

[Anonymous No.20653538]

>>20653507
I make $2000 a week and I just love coming here to see you failures seeth with anger over it. No, I won't show you my writing, you are not worth the effort of proving anything. You are worth posting this so I can laugh at your rage once you read it.
The only thing I love more than all of this money is knowing that peons like you will never have it yourselves, you would suck a dick for breadcrumbs while I enjoy the full meal every single night.

God I love being so successful.

[Anonymous No.20653547]

>>20653538
god, you want that ego boost SO BADLY, don't you? here you go, little guy. here's your (You)!

[Anonymous No.20653568]

>>20653216
What are you writing that'll allow you to 5x the amount in 6 months?

[Anonymous No.20653588]

>>20653214
>https://pastebin.com/K1tHeGuA
>Black was never her color, which was probably the biggest drawback of her new “part time job.”

The first sentence doesn't work for me. It feels weak talking about drawbacks and using quotes. It weakens the whole sentence. The statement is bold enough that it has to stand alone without the qualifier.

I would go with:

>Black was never her color, but ever since she spilled her blood on that stupid contract every outfit she put on would instantly turn black.

See how much stronger it feels?

[Anonymous No.20653590]

>>20653538
>$2k/week
>successful
Can you afford to buy a house with that "successful" income?

[Anonymous No.20653600]

>>20653590
104k a year is nothing to scoff at

[Anonymous No.20653661]

>>20653588
I'm not sure I agree. Yours is more concise I think but my version shows her personality a little more.
Thank you for the feedback though, I will keep it in mind.

[Anonymous No.20653662]

>>20653590
>only six figures, hff, peasant
t. making $300k as a chef at wendy's

[Anonymous No.20653665]

>>20653214
Additional suggestions I would make are to reduce the use of the dative. Never say anything that can be properly assumed or is implied. You are wasting words and weakening your copy when you do.

Some examples and proposed replacements:

>Luckily her mom was about as observant of her as the residents of their living room’s fish tank.

Luckily her mom was about as observant as the residents of their living room’s fish tank.

>He jumped over to the windowsill then sat on his haunches and looked at her.

He jumped over to the windowsill then sat on his haunches.

(If the guy is talking to her it's always implied he's looking at her.)

>She had no response for that. She knew that was something she could not argue with.

She had no response. That was something she could not argue with.

>she said and looked at herself in the mirror once again

she said, and looked in the mirror once again

One other suggestion is to think carefully about whether you need so many tags. Oftentimes the dialogue by itself is sufficient.

Over all though, it's pretty good with a lot of potential.

[Anonymous No.20653674]

>>20653665
>Luckily her mom was about as observant as the residents of their living room’s fish tank.

Make that:

Luckily her mom was about as observant as the residents of the living room fish tank.

[Anonymous No.20653675]

>>20653600
Maybe not in Arkansas or something.

[Anonymous No.20653683]

>>20653665
Thanks anon! I appreciate the feedback, that's pretty helpful.

[Anonymous No.20653696]

Wooo I seemed to have causes some butt befuddling by mentioning my meager earnings from online writing. I just write online, there’s many avenues, fiverr, medium, substack, e-books, ghostwriting, etc.
It really isn’t hard to make a living from this at all. In 6 months it’ll be 5k a year, in 1 year from that it’ll be enough to make probably make about 5k a month. (Roughly speaking) I make more than this now through traditional work, but this would allow me to go full time. The internet is your playground.

[Anonymous No.20653735]

we're all gonna make it!

[Anonymous No.20653883]

>>20653735
Nope. Only this guy making money
>>20653696

[Anonymous No.20653888]

>>20653696
And yet you still won't post your work or any tips to help the rest of us. Sheesh. Just get followers bro! It's not hard!

The fuck advice is that?

[Anonymous No.20653895]

>>20653888
The only advice you will ever need. If you are too stupid to figure it out from there, then you are never going to make it.

[Anonymous No.20653921]

>>20653895
Let me guess you read a Dummies 101 book on marketing
>Remember you are the product! Sell yourself
>Make sure you're different from others, just a simple way too like always wear orange.
>Be knowledgeable on exactly what you're saying because nothing worse than a fake
>Make sure you subscribe and smash that Like button!
>If you have a marketable skill use it!
>Just gotta tell the world and the follows and Patreon will come!
Yeah yeah heard you the first 20 times.
>Tell others to market
>Never markets on here
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.20653944]

>>20653675
I have no idea where you're living outside of San Francisco that 102k isn't good money. At this point you are the problem and need better financial habits

[Anonymous No.20654028]

>>20653921
I keep $10,000 in hundred dollar bills in my desk so while I'm writing I can take it out and fan myself with it. I wish they still made thousand-dollar bills so I could fan myself with $100,000 in cash instead, but I'll just have to settle for looking at the millions in my bank account and reflecting on how great it is to be rolling in all this awesome fiction money.

I almost feel sorry for losers who can't even figure out how to make minimum wage while writing. Like, what are you even doing? Oh well, guess that just goes to show how great I am at marketing. To think there are so many out there just wishing for a tiny fraction of what I've accumulated. It feels so damn good.

[Anonymous No.20654064]

Is there a single word processor out there that doesn't start to lag after 15,000 words? Even Google Docs does this.

[Anonymous No.20654083]

>"Just turn off your brain and enjoy it."
>"it ain't that serious."
>"Why does it have to take itself seriously all the time."
>"Just have fun."
As a writer myself, nothing pisses me off more than these four phrases and they've lead to the death of good writing in general.

[Anonymous No.20654122]

>>20654028
>fiction money
accidentally told the truth here

[Anonymous No.20654126]

>>20654064
I don't remember Word having any issues back when I used that. I use Scrivener now and each chapter is sorted into its own 'page' in the manuscript folder so it doesn't show all the text at once. I imagine that prevents lag. There's an option to view all the 'pages' at once if you want to do that. Maybe try the trial out anon, I remember it being a long while before I had to buy it.

[Anonymous No.20654128]

>>20654064
A text editor? Writing in Markdown format?
Then use pandoc to convert it to MsWord/LibreOffice/whatever format when it comes time to print it, or generate the e-book?

[Anonymous No.20654136]

>>20654064
write in separate .txt's and use Agent Ransack for text search

[Anonymous No.20654137]

Sixty first for anime.

[Anonymous No.20654141]

>>20653921
>>20653888
The guys been at this shit since like November of last year.
You're not far off in your Dummies 101 assessment. As someone who has an actual marketing degree, I've been looking at his dogshit advice in bewilderment every time it comes up.
The man is a certified retard. He's given such great advice as follow4follow scams on twitter to build an audience, #booktoks where you floss with a copy of your book in each hand and even mailing lists in the current year.
You can safely ignore him.

>>20654064
Pages normally plays nice with it.
I'm currently 5k words into something on Libreoffice and it's already wobbling like a jenga tower so I wouldn't suggest that one.

[Anonymous No.20654170]

Why are people replying to the (You) baiting meerkat faggot? Chirst alive just ignore and report the pseud.

>>20654064
I write in notepad, seperating each chapter into individual .txts and paste them all into one big google doc when I want to review them as a whole / iron out inconsistencies or edit. Haven't had problems til I reached 200k words, docs really shits itself after that point.

[Anonymous No.20654204]

>>20654141
> I've been looking at his dogshit advice in bewilderment every time it comes up.
What the fuck are you talking about m8? Is this a thread of schizos or something?

[Anonymous No.20654216]

>>20654028
>I keep $10,000 in hundred dollar bills in my desk so while I'm writing I can take it out and fan myself with it. I wish they still made thousand-dollar bills so I could fan myself with $100,000 in cash instead, but I'll just have to settle for looking at the millions in my bank account and reflecting on how great it is to be rolling in all this awesome fiction money.

[Anonymous No.20654219]

>>20654204
And now, I'd like to discuss the very important subject of schizoprenia.
No it isn't.
Shut up! Let him talk!
-Robin Williams

[Anonymous No.20654281]

I'm gonna do it lads. No more holding back I must write yuri.

[Anonymous No.20654299]

>>20654281
It's gotta be more unique than than.
Have one of the girls rape the other. It's for marketing. You'll thank me later.

[Anonymous No.20654326]

>>20654281
I support your cause anon

[Anonymous No.20654408]

I'm reading H.P Lovecraft's In The Vault and... Does he have purple prose, or am I just low IQ?

[Anonymous No.20654420]

Is your story bestseller material?

[Anonymous No.20654431]

>>20654420
Wu Zetian was always a massive bitch to me in Civ 5, and it sounds like that story might be consistent with that characterisation. Fuck her.

[Anonymous No.20654463]

>>20654420
Ugh. More femoid, anti-male wish fulfillment.
It was never about the evils of oppression...it was they wanted someone else to be oppressed.

[Anonymous No.20654474]

>>20654408
Yes he does.

[Anonymous No.20654490]

>>20654299
>>20654326
I was planning on it, but the thing is I have so many yuri relationship ideas. What about the yuri version Of Mice of Men. With Lenny as a retarded minotaur girl and with George as a small chested angry tsundre. Is that a bit extreme?

[Anonymous No.20654518]

>>20654490
You lost me at minotaur, but live your dreams anon.

[Anonymous No.20654548]

>>20654474
Is purple prose not inherently bad?

[Anonymous No.20654558]

>>20654420
Ah Iron Widow. I watched the anime years ago.

[Anonymous No.20654565]

>>20654548
no. Everything has a place. If you're writing about a schizo you can write as purple as hell. Look at American Psycho. It goes on and on about absolute nonsense.

[Anonymous No.20654613]

>>20654548
Not really, but it's heavily dependent on context. Can work when the PoV is the type of person to use very verbose language, like most of the people in Lovecraft's writings, especially Delapore and his cat.

[Anonymous No.20654748]

Does anyone have a word count on Gardner's Call series? How much do I have to publish to dethrone the most prolific writer from here?

Or am I mistaken in thinking he's the most prolific?

[Anonymous No.20654787]

Anyone else struggle with volume? Any tips or tricks or mindsets? I have each chapter laid out but when I go to write it down it ends up being 3-4 pages where it should be 20-30. I feel like I arrive at the point too quickly, yet adding anything feels like arbitrary padding. Help! It's frustrating!

[Anonymous No.20654824]

There better not be any abstractions in this thread...

[Anonymous No.20654839]

>>20654787
I tend to have the opposite problem. I expect to get to a certain plot point in a few pages, but thousands of words later its still building up to it,

[Anonymous No.20654858]

>>20654748
Hovels of unedited text don't count.

[Anonymous No.20654862]

>>20654787
Have you tried adding description? If you're hitting your plot points in 3-4 pages, you're genuinely just not writing anywhere near enough. Of course, there's nothing wrong with a chapter that's only a few pages long; but if you're planning for 20-30 and end up with 4, you're doing something seriously wrong.

I'm also curious as to what you consider 'arbitrary padding'. Misconceptions on what should or should not be there could be one of your big issues

[Anonymous No.20654932]

>>20654420
Can I really achieve success by stealing other works and adding in woke shit?

[Anonymous No.20654945]

>>20654932
There is an entire series of books called Warlock Holmes. Anything is possible.

[Anonymous No.20654958]

Do you reference other stories in your own story, and how have you done it? I have quoted, paraphrased and challenged ideas from a number of sources. Aphorisms are especially fun to play with, Moby-Dick has lots of them.

[Anonymous No.20654991]

>>20654858
Then what do you set the bar at? How much do I need to (edit and) publish to take the crown?

[Anonymous No.20655002]

why is it that every time I start a thread on any board with a story of something that happened to me, there's always some fucker going ">things that didn't happen xd" and a handful of other retards mentioning that it's "clearly" fake?

[Anonymous No.20655007]

>>20655002
pics or it didn't happen.
i.e.
>A cute girl came over my house and I nutted in her mouth
Without pics, there can be no confirmation.

[Anonymous No.20655011]

What's a better cop last name
Wade Kubiak
or
Wade Maclin

[Anonymous No.20655018]

>>20655011
Maclin Kubiak

[Anonymous No.20655020]

How do I give my characters a unique "Voice"

I want their dialogue to stand out to the point to where if you didn't know who was speaking you could still tell it was them.

(Also if possible mannerisms)

[Anonymous No.20655021]

>>20655018
Mac Kubiak actually sounds kinda cool

[Anonymous No.20655027]

>>20655011
Let me improve it.
Made it Wade Kubilak. Sounds like a real Polish name.

[Anonymous No.20655029]

>>20655020
write the chapter from each character's perspective

[Anonymous No.20655031]

>>20655020
Post your writing and we may be able to tell you.

[nesmer !XfgPwJA7M6 No.20655035]

why hello /wg/...
tell me, what is your plan for publishing your novel?

[Anonymous No.20655037]

>>20655020
Act out the scene in your room.

[Anonymous No.20655041]

>>20655035
get a single copy printed and bound and then put it on the shelf of my local library

[Anonymous No.20655042]

>>20655035
Let a jew fuck me

[Anonymous No.20655047]

what is your plan for publishing your novel, /wg/?

[Anonymous No.20655072]

>>20655047
>>20655035
I will produce something so good that it is impossible to ignore. Then I will self publish it because no jew will publish my words.

[Anonymous No.20655082]

>be a moron on twitter
>just post the first page of my novel
>RETWEET GUYS
>Tons of Hashtags
>2 people actually retweeted
Oh shit. This might work

[Anonymous No.20655123]

>>20654991
You want to be judged on volume?
Why not sales? Or income?
Or being known by the general public, not just 4chan?

[Anonymous No.20655124]

>>20654932
Yeah Pretty much. That's every fan fic authors stick anyway.

It tends to be bad, they normally poop out a woke story then they eat the poop then poop it out again and it goes like this on a loop forever until the fan fic writer grows up or becomes a better writer,

But some? They never change and they will be happy eating woke shit

[Anonymous No.20655224]

Chapter 1 of Death is a Girl is complete.
Please comment here or in doc.
Many thanks.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g9CPDvrMFjW0a6EiF5BtYfOcBbsT3jXeAHMRR4sy6DA/edit

[Anonymous No.20655383]

It's all coming together, I feel it now. Had an epiphany about a key thematic question today.

[Anonymous No.20655450]

>>20655123
all of the above please

Check out the unreal press studio. He's interviewing me tomorrow. Gunna be my big marketing ploy

[Anonymous No.20655564]

I'm totally just putting around here out of general boredom, probably nothing will ever materialize... but I'm curious would anons be interested in a book like this?

[Anonymous No.20655580]

I need writing help and advice.
m tasked to write a script with a deadline and i need help.
I have a story, i got the plot, synopsis, beginning and end, but i just can't get the middle to tie it all together.
It feels weird honestly, i know what i would like to put in the middle but i don't know how to write it. Pretty much a bad case of writers block i guess.

[Anonymous No.20655598]

I used to write a ton as a kid but sometime around 14 it stopped. 22 now and I'm so bored at work that I've considered trying it again.
Should I just jump right in without worrying about things, or would it be better learning some fundamentals?
I know whatever I write will be pretty stilted, it was always my style. I don't mind going for a drier Vonnegut like style, but I worry it's a fine line between that and just being boring shit.

[Anonymous No.20655602]

>>20655564
>autistic list
write something instead

[Anonymous No.20655628]

How do i start a story? I always had some big problem with the first chapter or the prologue, i can, to an extent, keep it going once i have a start, but ive never written a single first chapter ive been comfortable with

[Anonymous No.20655633]

>>20655072
>I will produce something so good that it is impossible to ignore

Lol, nigger. That's a fucking joke. People can ignore anything. They ignore single sentences. If you show 90% of people a paragraph,it's basically like the Ark of the Covenant from Indiana Jones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcR9k8o4I0w

>the Nazis just die
>everybody else is Indiana Jones and closes their eyes
>they command the women to keep their eyes shut

Lol, good luck, champ. Nobody will even read this post. The image contains the lyrics to Gorilla Pimp by Project Pat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYNbSuRnsFM

This is the link. It's a dope track.9.3m views. Find a book with that many views.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books

[Anonymous No.20655636]

>>20655628
Power through it and don't revisit it until you're halfway through the story.

[Anonymous No.20655640]

>>20655633
The bible

[Anonymous No.20655704]

>>20655640
>The bible

Christ almighty, you dummy. Yes, there are a large number of books with over 9.3 million in sales. Maybe like 500+. Do you understand how small of a number this is?

>According to a study conducted by Google Books, there have been 129,864,880 books

This is officially published books. Only 500 have attained sales greater than 9.3 million, comparable to the 9.3 million views on Project Pat's song Gorilla Pimp.

>500 / 129,864,880 = 0.00038% of books
>Roughly 0.0004%
>1 of every 250,000

Have you ever won a contest against 250,000 people? Do you understand how low those odds are? I have a prolific cannon, and I give my books away for free, and all of some 29 people maybe downloaded my new book.

>my highest articles
>Rich people being attractive: 6.2k views; 12% actually read it
>Prostate article: 4l views; 32% actually read it
>Gay smut > 500-1k views; 30% read rate
>then paltry shit (majority of my work)
>Academic articles> avg. 20-100 views 40% read rate
>short stories> 10-20 views; 30% read rate
>books> 4 books, many out for years, 500 free downloads, read rate, probably close to 0%

The expectation that even one person will read anything you write is extremely optimistic. Expecting your words to be "profoundly influential" is pretty much being insane. Text has been replaced with video, and very few people are willing to read anymore.

I write because I'm a delusional egotistical schizophrenic, and I just love to hear myself talk. People are largely illiterate, and even those that can read generally refuse to. 99% of people will read nothing in this thread, they will just shitpost their cry for attention then leave. That's it.

One of my books is 990k words, do you think anyone has ever read that book? No. I highly doubt it. Not even the government. Maybe a text crawler, but even that is likely an overly optimistic expectation.

The irony is that people think that "writing something" will change their life. It won't. It won't accomplish anything. People put faith in writing for the same reason trannys put faith in crossdressing. They want a change, they want something different, so they are forced to believe that the answer to their problems, their suffering, and their discontent lies in something they don't have. They force themeselves to believe that the grass is always greener on the other side because they need hope, they need to believe that something will lift them from their misery and suffering.

Does that work? Look at trannys and tell me that their "grass is greener on the other side", because it's not. Despite this blatantly being true, countless idiots still pursue this path and walk around like ugly men in drag because they NEED something to believe in just to get through their life, even if this belief is completely baseless, dysfunctional, and likely a source of great suffering in their life.

[Anonymous No.20655714]

>>20655704
>all this seethe
I am going to make it because I'm smart.

[Anonymous No.20655716]

>>20655704


If you want writing to "change your life", I would suggest that you find something that will actually produce measurable benefit in your life. Find something valuable to do, writing is just very aggressive shitposting, and nobody reads shitposts.

The only reason I enjoy writing is because I enjoy shitposting, i enjoy listening to myself talk, and it's a form of masturbation for me. It's my form of "jacking off", and I do it for pleasure, not for any "gains". My canon is just my "coom" it's just "ejaculated" onto the internet and I generally walk away and forget about it. It was enjoyable while I did it, now I'm done. That's why I can continue to write at the clip of a crippled donkey and not kill myself due to failure. It's not about success, because finding success as a writer is basically impossible. It's just about enjoying myself, and I do exactly that when I write.

This is page one of my latest book, tell me how much you hate it, or that you don't read it, because I don't care. I've already "finished" the "coom" is all over the internet and I've walked away.. I'm not going to listen to people cry about how they hate my "coom" because I couldn't care less how you feel about it. It wasn't made for your pleasure, it was made for my pleasure, and I enjoyed it.

Regardless, I'm sure very few if any people read the shitpost, let alone the far less coherent jpg image.

>TL;DR

Write for your own pleasure, because likely nobody will read what you write except for yourself. If you are looking to "be successful" or "be a powerful and influential person", then writing is not a very realistic pursuit. Find a way to make something people want, because very, very few people want to read. You can't force people to read, and reading is difficult enough for most people that they will generally refuse to do it.

[Anonymous No.20655717]

>>20655564
That really does not tell me much at all about the book you want to write

[Anonymous No.20655720]

>>20653140
SHHHHHHHHHHHH he sleepin...

[Anonymous No.20655737]

>>20655714
>I am going to make it because I'm smart.

You need to understand how paradoxical that argument is. "Smart" people cannot be successful writers because 99% of people cannot understand what smart people are talking about.

Smart people basically have a horse-cock of an intellect, and when they put this in text, this is a horse-cock dildo that you're trying to shove into the 11-year-old vagina-brain of the everyman.

>54% of American adults read at or below the level of an 11 year old
>88% of American adults read at or below the level of a 15 year old

It's physically impossible to fit the horse-cock sized intelligence into the minds of these people. Less than 2% of people can read at PIAAC level 5, which is College Level, and that is how tiny your audience is if you truly are "smart".

You've reduced your potential audience to one out of every 50 people, 99% of these people being too busy with legitimate academic work to bother themselves with the random screeds of some self-proclaimed intellectual. There's absolutely nothing to be gained by being "smart".

Clearly, judging by your 128-character SMS style phonepost, I presume you have the literacy skills of an 11 year old, and this is a great blessing because your 11-year-old-penis-sized intellect ACTUALLY FITS inside of the 11-year-old-vagina-brain of the common person. Your potential audience is now one of every two people.

By having the intelligence of an 11 year old, now the basic failure rate due to literacy has been reduced to 50%, which is much, much better than 98% if you were actually smart.

>being an idiot; you have a basline 1:2 chance of being read
>being "smart" you have a baseline 1:50 chance of being read

Do you really want to be "smart"? There's nothing to be gained save for the hatred of people. People will see what you write and hate it because they can't understand it. They will condemn you and spit upon you in a blind rage because they see extensive written text which is difficult for them to decipher. You don't want to be "smart". If I could write on the level of an 11-year-old, I would, but it's much harder than it sounds. I just write in the style I was trained to in public school, but apparently 98% of people didn't bother learning how to read and write in school for whatever reason.

>pic related
>lots of words nobody reads
>lots of convoluted meaning and humor hidden behind layers of literary devices
>all of it largely indecipherable by the everyman

If you are "smart" understand that 98% of the world will look at you like you're a shit for brains idiot because they're too unintelligent to actually understand that you're truly intelligent. Intelligent people cannot distinguish between intelligent writing and incoherent gibberish, and their egotism causes them to condemn all writing they don't understand as incoherent gibberish.

>you don't want to be smart
>you want to be a clever 11-year-old

[Anonymous No.20655752]

>>20655564
The issue with trying to get feedback on general lists/pitches is that it ends up being entirely up to the reader to interpret. So, yes, there are plenty of ways to make an interesting story out of that list, the question is if you can actually make one. Not to discourage you obviously, if you have the time I'd say go for it, just leave your expectations until you're finished.

[Anonymous No.20655757]

>>20654064
libreoffice you fucktarded zoomigger

[Anonymous No.20655764]

>>20654420
As a historicalfag: the cunt was too lazy and weak to write historical so she threw in lightsabres and robots, since that's easier than doing research on what ancient china was actually like. kill all blue hairs.

[Anonymous No.20655766]

>>20655704
>people think that "writing something" will change their life. It won't.
It worked for Andy Weir.

[Anonymous No.20655772]

>meerkatters
>>20655564
>genretoddlers
>>20655224
>animewriters

[Anonymous No.20655789]

>>20655704
Maybe no one reads your writing because you write schizo shit like this.

[Anonymous No.20655800]

>>20655737
>>20655789
Yup, that is why no one reads your shit. This is just garbage.

[Anonymous No.20655818]

For tradpubbing, do I do the manuscript of my book first or do I do the entire book already for submission?

[Anonymous No.20655823]

>>20655818
First, you learn to write coherent English.
I'm not even sure what you're asking here.

[Anonymous No.20655829]

>>20655823
I could understand what he was saying just fine you sperg
The answer: I have no clue. Entire book I presume is better.

[Anonymous No.20655933]

>>20655737
I, a different but also smart guy, have tried to explain this to pseuds so many fucking times. They just don't get it at all. You NEED to write as though you're writing for a teenager, if you want to be successful. That doesn't mean you can't use "smart" concepts or have "deep" things, but you need to either break them down into easy-to-digest chunks or make sure they're not mandatory to enjoy the story.

[Anonymous No.20655952]

>>20655818
The manuscript is the completed book. They expect your manuscript to be essentially the finished product. The best way to think about tradpublishing is a bunch of middlemen that technically offer a service but would prefer if you had things handled already. So your book should be fully written, had multiple editing run throughs, and ideally been through a test audience. This is all assuming your US though, I'm not sure about other countries.

[Anonymous No.20656003]

Day 28 editing
Tightened closing and openings
Resisted the craven call to split finale of book 1 into three instead of two
genuinely afraid to start book 2's edit

[Anonymous No.20656083]

>>20655037
Thank God I'm not the only one who does this.

[Anonymous No.20656116]

>>20655933
>You NEED to write as though you're writing for a teenager, if you want to be successful
Why would you want a "success" predicated upon the approval of idiots? Why write for illiterates? Might as well fight a war for peace, fuck for virginity, etc.

[Anonymous No.20656139]

How do I turn my story, still being developed mind you, into a short story.
I want only the meat to remain, it might be very risky considering what I hope to achieve with it but nonetheless, it is what it is.

[Anonymous No.20656167]

>>20655580
Maybe the end is not right? You may have trouble going from the opening to the end. Can you give us more info.

[Anonymous No.20656197]

>>20656139
Oh I dunno anon, maybe open a word processor after jacking off 3x in a day. Surely by then you'll have the motivation to continue

[Anonymous No.20656214]

>>20656116
True intelligence is being able to convey complex ideas in a way that anyone can understand. The younger (or lower reading level) the reader who can understand your work, the better you are.

[Anonymous No.20656222]

>>20656214
>true painting uses only primary colors
>true music uses only major and minor scales
>true writing uses only simple terminology

[Anonymous No.20656226]

>>20656214
T. Repetitive filler no swearing chud

[Anonymous No.20656235]

The Soviets were the most successful architects in human history! Don't you want to be successful?

[Anonymous No.20656242]

Yikes, what a failure! He didn't even finish it before he died! Gaudi died penniless in the gutter! Can you imagine being so unsuccessful?!

[Anonymous No.20656251]

>>20656214
Anon, this isn't true at all, and you're both a pseud and a hack for genuinely thinking this. By your metric, Faulkner is one of the worst writers on the planet because even many adults don't understand what's going on in a lot of his novels.

By all means though, continue parroting reddit tier ideas by people who herald Sanderson as the greatest writer of our era.

[Anonymous No.20656255]

>>20656222
Those other two mediums are completely different than writing.
You don't need to understand the brushstrokes, foreshortening, the color wheel, or all the other finer points of painting to look at a painting and enjoy it.
You do not have to know jack shit about music theory to listen to a complex composition and enjoy it
Reading and writing is different. As a writer if you can get the same message across using 'accessible' terminology than you are a good writer. If you are too heavy handed you are limiting your audience and displaying your own lack of true mastery over the language.

[Anonymous No.20656262]

>>20656251
>By your metric, Faulkner is one of the worst writers on the planet because even many adults don't understand what's going on in a lot of his novels.
I did not find Faulkner all that difficult of a read. Are you sure that is true?

[Anonymous No.20656271]

>>20656262

[Anonymous No.20656273]

>>20656255
>You do not have to know jack shit about music theory to listen to a complex composition and enjoy it
Which is why classical and jazz are such perennial chart-toppers, right? That totally explains the complex and innovative soundscapes and daring experimentalism of top 50 radio jingles! It's almost like the average person is a retard in every single artform. If we took your advice and applied it to every other art, there would be nothing but pop music (b-but the themes are so... EMPOWERING!!!) and corpo art.

What you're couching in all this rhetoric is just aesthetic minimalism. Your entire argument is predicated upon this imagined and objective supremacy of minimalism. That's it. It's a style of art that's in vogue right now. You can pander to the passing tastes of the everyman if you want to. You won't get any argument out of me that minimalism is in — art that showcases the individual talent of the artist is very much out. These are the objective facts. But to try to claim your favored flavor of zeitgeist is somehow a categorical "NEED" is either disingenuous or retarded. There's not much room between them.

[Anonymous No.20656285]

>>20656273
Perhaps my point has gotten a bit off the rails.
Yes, express complex ideas, but the more accessible those idea you can make without watering it down, the more skilled with writing you are.

I'm glad Faulkner was brought up as he is a perfect example. There is an elegance to his narration, but it is also very smooth and, as I said, expresses complex ideas quite easily.

>>20656271
I don't know what this bitch's problem is. Maybe she's retarded.

[Anonymous No.20656289]

>>20656271
>Finally with the audio version, I FINALLY got this book.
That is the most telling part of her review. She has a reading comprehension problem.

[Anonymous No.20656296]

>>20656285
>Yes, express complex ideas, but the more accessible those idea you can make without watering it down, the more skilled with writing you are.
So... present complex ideas with a minimalist aesthetic? Okay. It looks like we've reached the point where we just start restating our beliefs. You're trying to draw a universal based on contemporary attitudes. 500 years ago you'd have been laughed out of any room in which you found yourself saying things so concrete. In 500 years in the future, they'll laugh about that minimalist period of art in the 20th/21st with derision, in the same way we make fun of 80s hair metal. I believe that you think you've found some secret cheat code to writing that just needs to be shared with the "pseuds" who just have no hope of understanding the high-minded and varied ways in which you dress up the idea that Simple Thing is good and Complex Thing is bad. You seem to really believe that. You also seem to be completely unable to separate your beliefs from the context in which they were formed. Literary trends are literally nothing if not transient.

Write what you want. Write it how you want to. Simple or complex. Let history sort it out.

[Anonymous No.20656302]

>>20656296
>Present complex ideas with a minimalist aesthetic?
Yes.... ish.

>in which you dress up the idea that Simple Thing is good and Complex Thing is bad.
No.

Complex good
Making complex accessible is extra good.

You are making this more complicated than it needs to be.

Hair metal is not complex, pop music is not complex. Simple formulas are pushed by corporations because they are proven and easily reproducible, but everyone can appreciate a good piano solo.

[Anonymous No.20656306]

>>20656302
Are you intentionally choosing to dodge the point I'm making or do you just not understand? Honest question.

[Anonymous No.20656314]

>>20656306
I think I get the point you are making but you are inaccurately applying it to what I'm saying.

Okay,

If you can say something and 2 out of 10 people get it, you should find another way of saying it. Unless of course it is SO complex that is impossible.

If someone else can say the same thing where 8 out of 10 people get it, without watering down the core of the meaning, would you not say that person is the better writer?

If you disagree with that then we are just not going to get anywhere.

[Anonymous No.20656319]

Christian morality -"the meek will inherit the Earth" - reduces to the perverted metaphysics that justice means the weak deserve something because they are weak, as if mathematical rules like those of gravitation could be formulated for words like "just deserts", "reaping what you sow", "wages of sin are death" and "sin" that karmically determine how a "good events happen to good people" or "bad events happen to bad people". Even as it asserts that 'in the End', there is guaranteed a Last Judgement that will be physically enforced by omnipotent living arms and hands, the average believer cannot affirm of the second Horn of the Euthyphro dilemma, because it would make them realize that """Justice""" is not enforceable by the weak, but rather is only granted by the strong or the weak who become strong.

Either 'Might makes Right' OR 'the Weak become Mighty and make Right' and they can't handle that.

[Anonymous No.20656337]

>>20656314
>If you disagree with that then we are just not going to get anywhere.
It's not that i disagree as much as it is that you are categorically incorrect about writing. Only one of us is trying to ascribe universality to the art. Writing is not a cheap engineering exercise in which we compete to pack the maximum meaning into the minimum space. Fiction is not something to be callously optimized and reduced — you are not writing lines of code. The standard of what composes literary elegance is not the same as what composes other elegances. Your attitude is more that of an engineer or programmer than it is a writer of fiction.

[Anonymous No.20656345]

>>20656337
>Your attitude is more that of an engineer or programmer than it is a writer of fiction.
There may be some truth to this.

I can say it does seem we have fundamentally different views on writing so all we can do at this point is agree to disagree.

[Anonymous No.20656346]

>>20656314
>If someone else can say the same thing where 8 out of 10 people get it, without watering down the core of the meaning, would you not say that person is the better writer?
And to directly answer your question: no. That alone is insufficient because the writing of fiction is not limited to the transmission of meaning. The way in which you say it is often more important than what you say. To try to force this metric of concision (it seems because in your head it's tied up with ideas of intellect — is this something you think is a strength of yours?) is reductive to the extreme. Writing is art, first and foremost. To distill it into such a trivial rule is reductionist to the point of inanity.

[Anonymous No.20656347]

>>20656345
>agree to disagree
If that's what you want to do, sure. But I'm not just stating axiomatic belief here. I have them, obviously, but I'm proposing logical ideas that can be responded to logically and without retreating back to belief.

[Anonymous No.20656351]

>>20656345
And if we do agree to disagree, can you do me a favor? Try not to propagate and disseminate the directly-quoted "NEED" to do things your way, especially when you have to retreat to belief in the face of arguments. Consider the possibility that your approach as a programmer (pretty sure I've got you dialed in here, but correct me if I'm wrong) isn't directly analogous to writing fiction.

[Anonymous No.20656392]

>>20656346
>Consider the possibility that your approach as a programmer (pretty sure I've got you dialed in here, but correct me if I'm wrong)
I'm sure that analogy does not fully encompass my view of writing, but I'm probably further in that direction than you are, so it's fair enough. I do think adherence to concision is important, but yes, writing should also have a voice.

Perhaps my first post "True intelligence is being able to convey complex ideas in a way that anyone can understand" stated that point too strongly. Just because you've sacrificed concision for voice does not necessarily mean it made it harder to understand and therefore a poorer quality of writing. My thinking is not quite that black and white. You can have the best of both worlds, an elegantly worded passage that is also understanded by the average reader, and I think I may also give a little more credit to what the average reader is capable of.

I believe there is also a disconnect between looking at what more people are reading and assuming that is the depth of what most people can understand. This comes back to my pop music vs piano solo analogy. The simple formula gets pushed by the marketing teams, because it's easier to identify trends and push the formulas that work. However, I believe if you force Faulkner into the hands of someone who showed up to buy a Brandon Sanderson novel, he probably will not have as hard a time understanding it as you might assume.

So, you can have voice and a wide vocabulary, I'm not saying disregard it entirely, but there is a hundred ways you can phrase something and the most concise and easily understood method which also gives the emotion and feeling that you are going for obviously is the best way to do it, if you are skilled enough to have the best of all worlds.

[Anonymous No.20656411]

>>20656392
If you are not skilled enough to have the best of all worlds, it is better to lean towards concision.

[Anonymous No.20656509]

>>20655952
I can publish to US/UK publishers while living on another country, right? I don't see the need for physical presence when publishing a book.

[Anonymous No.20656536]

>>20656273
>All pop is shit
>It must be complex to be great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsHiG-43Fzg

[Anonymous No.20656611]

He understood that it had to be stopped – he needed to stop masturbating. He was called to abstain from all sexuality. He was called to be a eunuch by God. The first day of his life living out as a eunich. Every day he was going to analyse his day, the good and the bad. Evaluate what was done well, what could be improved. Tonight, he had vaped marijuana, and had a couple of drinks. He had also masturbated and watched porn after waking up from his post work afternoon nap. As usual after the deed, he felt guilty and ashamed of what he had done. He went to his room after each failure, and prayed to God confessing his sin and asking for forgiveness from God. He’d smoked weed after his setback. He wants to be Christ-like. Perfectly Christ-like. Not just in righteousness, but in being able to perform miracles and actively heal the world of all diseases and suffering. Bring about peace in the world. Remove every evil thing, and replace it with goodness. Build heaven on earth. Be a leader of the church of Jesus Christ who conquered death and sits at the right hand of the Father in heaven. Jesus Christ living in him. Having the mind of Christ in everything he does in the world. To snuff out all evil so it can no longer pollute the world. Build a heaven on earth, so that when Jesus Christ, the Son of God, returns He will be well pleased. And then forevermore, there will be eternal life. Paradise forever and ever. Everything good in this world will be infinitely greater in heaven, and there will be no evil thing in heaven. We who have chosen life, will be swept up in the universal perfect harmony of absolute perfection, with the God of the universe, with perfect love. There will be no more suffering, no more pain, no more anger, rage, bitterness, jealousy or any evil temper. Anything that stands against this vision, stands against God.

[Anonymous No.20656642]

Okay boys, drafting part 1 of my long-ass fantasy epic and I've started writing out of order because it's four sides of one story. I cut off a section of the chapter I'm working on and thought I should ask for tips, tricks, and feedback. I've rewritten the scenario multiple times so I've censored the characters name so as to not associate them with this draft or anything else I want to show.
QRD, please don't focus too much on how batshit it sounds.
>Fantasy setting with region based religion (this region is judeo-christain)
>This plot thread focuses on detailing the philosophical themes that appear in the other three MCs chapters
>MC forced to join demons
>Satan puts him in charge of watching an immortal saint because he knows he's too much of a coward to try and save/defend her like the others
>Satan and the central antagonist play mind games, trying to break saint for a plan
>MC and saint slowly have their worldview corrupted
>pic related is a snippet from a set of chapters about the nature of futility and weakness .

[Anonymous No.20656763]

>>20656642
1. Watch your dialogue tags. You have a few mistakes in there, and though it's just a draft, you ought to never be making these mistakes.
2. Read up on as much religion as you can. Even in Christianity there are straight up bodies stacked over different interpretations of two or three words in a single Bible verse. It's an extremely difficult topic IMO.
3. Write however you want, but Satan should be an enigmatic and distinct presence in the book rather than a side character. He's written and feels like the latter here, and he sounds a little cartoonish. Maybe pair the MC and the saint with a lesser demon and have Satan come in and show up unexpectedly, making everyone go "Oh shit" in the process.
4. I glazed over the Bible verses. I don't think including them directly in the text like this is good form and would do snippets of call-answer. Bad guy says something nasty, Saint says "[text]. Psalm X verse Y." Then she can get raped or have her neck snapped or whatever it is.
5. I enjoy good dialogue but weaving the theme of a chapter into actions is something you ought to do. For futility and weakness, maybe the MC tries to do something drastic to brighten her day or fails hilariously to follow through because of his weakness, rather than me glazing through dialogue looking for where's the good text to start reading deeply.

[Anonymous No.20656783]

>>20654064
I'm over 300k in an openoffice document. No issues. I'd imagine libreoffice, or any other offline piece of writing software, would be fine.

[Anonymous No.20657033]

>>20655818
I'm a professional editor. I would look at and correct your manuscript for a nominal fee. Let me know if you're interested

[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.20657061]

>>20653140
What are your thoughts on mean/asshole protagonists?

[Anonymous No.20657087]

>>20657033
I have $20

[Anonymous No.20657104]

>>20657061
I like them, my MC right now is a massive ego trip made flesh, she's cool.

[Anonymous No.20657134]

I'll never sell more than 1000 books.

[Anonymous No.20657187]

>>20653140
"When I write I feel like an armless legless man with a crayon in his mouth."

Even with an outline, I still have no idea what I'm doing.

[Anonymous No.20657194]

>>20657061
if it's like the ambercrombe books, i like them
but i've given up on books where the protagonist is too much of an asshole

[Anonymous No.20657209]

>>20657104
why do autistic weirdos feel like they're capable of writing women?

[Anonymous No.20657215]

https://philipp.truebiger.com/three-act-structure/
he uses star wars as an example

[Anonymous No.20657222]

>>20657209
Who cares?
I write what I want to write, end of it.

[Anonymous No.20657238]

>>20657209
Writing women (in a politically correct manner) is easy as piss. Just take a male character and genderbend him

[Anonymous No.20657249]

>>20657238
What do you mean by PC? What would be the non PC way?

[Anonymous No.20657267]

>>20657087
deal

[Anonymous No.20657269]

>>20657249
>Women don't have rich inner worlds, they're very algorithmic - not rational, but clever. Throw in a temper and salt with sarcasm to taste.
Like that

[Anonymous No.20657277]

Is there a point where the harem is too big?

[Anonymous No.20657318]

>>20656167
It's a multi season saga. I know the final episode and the first episode and other events but all of the episodes in between them is what i'm having problems brainstorming.
And yes, this is for a cartoon. I already asked /co/ and they told me to come here.

[Anonymous No.20657342]

>>20657033
can you give us a list of books you've worked on?

[Anonymous No.20657352]

>>20657342
I don't want to advertise on /lit/, but email me at [e-mail]

I have nothing to do since I'm moving soon and could use all the money I could get. Plus editing would give me something to do other than day drink

[Anonymous No.20657354]

>you need to learn to write women better because all of yours act like mothers or big sisters
So I guess my writing group is telling me I need more selfish whores?

[Anonymous No.20657355]

I read myself into depression. How the hell do I read my way out?

[Anonymous No.20657360]

Maybe you guys should consider writing on medium or something. You really don’t have to be an author of a book, you can author other stuff and actually pay your rent. Just saying.

[Anonymous No.20657370]

>>20657354
Actually this kind of pisses me off because recently one guy had a story where the lead female character was a rancid cunt and all the women in the group ripped into him for being a misogynist. So what IS the right way to write women?

[Anonymous No.20657409]

>>20656763
Satan is meant to be that way. He's a sub-villain written to be the "holy shit someone's going to die" character in the other three threads with his method of manipulating Morale before exiting driving a lot of conflict. but this thread is his domain where almost everyone is his subordinate. in his spare time, he's a Thelemite whose blithe attitude, (relatively) normal behavior, and large power dynamic make his ideology seem more appealing to the people forced to live under him. fitting with the whole temptation thing.
The primary antagonist, [antichrist] is what you described, enigmatic, and a distinct presence that evokes a fear different from "This person can kill you"

All things that I'm clearly not ready to express properly yet, which is why I value your reply. Going back through my drafts knowing this will help my story be the best it can be and I'm grateful for the advice.

[Anonymous No.20657461]

>>20657370
>So what IS the right way to write women?
Unironically like men, albeit with some behavior modifications. Women are physically weaker than men and they're quite conscious of this fact. Like men, women compete with each other, and fiercely, but the expression of those competitions is different. The way they deal with issues, by and large, is by seeking or creating social consensus.

Smart women are manipulative in little ways that get things done, stupid women are manipulative in more blunt ways, typically manifesting more overtly as sex objects.

[Anonymous No.20657475]

>>20657370
Eudora Welty has some of my favorite depictions of women. Some are compassionate but irrational as a defense mechanism because they are afraid of being hurt. Some well-meaning but due to arrogance and underestimation, make a poor decision. Gossiping bitches that always evaluate the worth of people, conniving bitches that convince men to do what they want by making a man thinks it's what he wants instead, in-charge bitches that yell at everyone, vengeful bitches that make idle threats, shit-testing bitches that push men to despair to see what they will do to prove their love.
In other words, show power and the way women abuse it, how they maneuver through their social life. Show what women fear. Show her tendency to grace. Show how girls act amongst themselves instead of what a woman feels about her lover.

[Anonymous No.20657481]

>>20655772
Post writing.

[Anonymous No.20657547]

I'm having trouble deciding which online name I want to post with. This is something that I'll use for years to come so I don't want to pick something that I'll hate in 6 months.

[Anonymous No.20657569]

>>20657352
Maybe if you didn't day drink you'd have more money

[Anonymous No.20657571]

>>20657061
Not so much an asshole, but my MC starts off as a high functioning alcoholic with massive anxiety issues. No / very little social experience means he ends up making poor judgements and ends up getting manipulated by everyone around him. Bottoms up!

>>20657360
I ghostwrite papers for local college students. Some of these fags are nepotism'd to the bone and will pay out the ass for even simple assignments.

[Anonymous No.20657574]

>>20655224
You need to insert more of the character's personality in the narration.

[Anonymous No.20657585]

>>20657569

[Anonymous No.20657590]

>>20657352
if you were legit, you'd have a list of books you've worked on
authors generally include their editor's name somewhere in their book

[Anonymous No.20657601]

>>20657590
I don't want to dox myself on /lit/. Just send me an e-mail and I can provide material

[Anonymous No.20657640]

>>20655704
>>20655633
why is this guy so angry

[Anonymous No.20657694]

I just learned that spaces on either the side of an em dash is the journalism format, typically no spaces is the standard in literature style guides.

Annoying as I have 40k of book written one way, but mostly I just feel like spaces are far more clear and visually appealing for a punctuation or that kind. It doesn't make sense to me that you're directly connecting two words like a hyphen, as the whole point is it is separating out two related lines like a comma or semicolon (which uses a space).

I might just keep my current spacing style and see if anyone gives me grief for it. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.20657722]

>>20657694
Practically every time I've seen an em dash it had a space on both sides.
It's how I've been using it as well and have never been called out on it.

[Anonymous No.20657723]

querying is killer. "I ONLY WANT A NEO-AFRICAN AZTECA HYBRID RETELLING OF CINDERELLA!!"
I never wanted to self pub but I honestly don't see how I would ever make it in this environment

[Anonymous No.20657735]

"Nas coal tnd" he said with a chuddy smirk;
I looked at him with sheer terror and awe "Yikes, I'll have to report you to the thought police"

[Anonymous No.20657743]

Lol, all you idiots crying against self pub.
I literally never look at the publisher. Not even a single time in my life, and I’ve bought and read close to 200 books now.
KYS

[Anonymous No.20657751]

the definitions of art, science, woman, good, health, beauty, etc. have evolved through ages and now can mean anything as long as the definition aligns with the correct opinion

[Anonymous No.20657753]

>>20655224
Read the whole thing. Enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.20657754]

>>20657743
i have no problem with selfpub, but I don't want my hobby to cross too much into a business

[Anonymous No.20657761]

>>20657249
the wheel of time way.

[Anonymous No.20657764]

>>20657743
consoomer

[Anonymous No.20657766]

can i post a poem?
its dumb love shit

[Anonymous No.20657771]

>>20657764
Ah yes, look at me consume philosophy without paying a corporate mega bucks, waaaaah
KYS shill.
I wish this board had geo flags so I could see the Israeli and American flag next to your post.

[Anonymous No.20657773]

>>20657766
Nope. Read the rules.

[Anonymous No.20657801]

>>20657773
can you cite the "rule" you are referring to? my spelling is correct if you are whinging about the critique rule. the poetry section has recommended books. i see that the actual 4chan rules don't disallow OC as long as it's not fanfic, and my poem isn't. i thought of posting here instead of starting an OC poem thread is all.

[Anonymous No.20657922]

>>20656262
It might blow your mind if you have an IQ above 125, but most normalfags, even "smart" normies, somehow find reading books to be difficult. You need an IQ of like 110 to even actually comprehend a book. They may as well be magic grimoires for 80% of the population.

[Anonymous No.20658008]

>>20657694
you can just do a find + replace. No spaces reads better to me, but maybe I just don't read as much journalism as I do literature.

[Anonymous No.20658123]

>>20653298
>How do you generally get such physicality across?
You don't, or at least not generally. Literature is not a visual medium; on the field of the physical it stands no chance against cinema. It is impossible and absurd to try and describe every tiny gesture we go through moment to moment, so, as writers, we compromise. We describe one gesture, and that one gesture has to stand in for the emotion. It's also important to completely disregard the way real people move while talking and instead describe clean, inpactful activity In your example, it feels something like angry disbelief coated in a comedic sense of propriety. Incredulity? I would maybe describe him clasping his hands together to restrain a wave of nervousness. And not, say, shrugging, releasing his arms from around his torso, extending them disbelievingly down, then turning to Obi Wan like "You seeing this?", etc

[Anonymous No.20658126]

>>20656319
The meek shall inherit the earth because competing groups of "strong" people will kill each other off.

[Anonymous No.20658142]

What phrase should I use instead of "noisy/livng city"?

[Anonymous No.20658144]

>>20657209
Because we got based instructions from Jack Nicholson's character in "As Good As It Gets".
When asked how he writes women so well, he replied "I start with a man, then take away reason and accountability."

[Anonymous No.20658168]

>>20658142
Teeming? Bustling?

[Anonymous No.20658219]

>>20653588
Apologies to both of you, but I don't think either sentence is very strong. Frustrating thing is idk if I could do any better, and it's tricky to actually distill what makes a sentence 'good' or 'bad' anyway. Props to you both for trying, but those are just my 2 cents.

[Anonymous No.20658222]

>>20658168
Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.20658226]

>>20653389
Agreed: the only thing this proves is the abundance of sad schmuck w more money than sense who are willing to pay for this :(

[Anonymous No.20658229]

>>20653298
Less is often more

[The living thesaurus No.20658308]

>>20658222
Glad I could help.

[Anonymous No.20658364]

>>20654748
CotC is like 250 or something pages so probably 50k. I don’t know about the rest.

[Anonymous No.20658388]

>>20657352
>making a scam this obvious
Day drink some bleach, faggot.

[Anonymous No.20658419]

>>20658388
>link to a work email
>"ID'S UHH SCAM"

???

[Anonymous No.20658423]

>>20658419
>some random yahoo address
If any of you desperate fags actually contact this guy, you deserve what you get.

[Anonymous No.20658435]

Bros, what are some good motivators for a fantasy hero to kill the big bad king guy in a BotW-like game? I'm also thinking about dropping the bad king thing, but I don't know what to replace it with

I've got a couple here
>money
He just wants to be rich
>power
villain protagonist wants to dethrone him and take his place ( I like this one)
>curse
After being cursed by the antagonist, the guy molds the curse into magical abilities and uses them to kill the antagonist, freeing himself of the curse, but also his powers
>ecology
The main guy is a skilled hunter, the antagonist pushes for industrialization and fucks up the ecosystem of the country, causing a major ecological catastrophe that nearly wipes out the flora and fauna
Having suffered a heavy blow to their trade, hunters, merchants, cafe owners, artisans, etc work together, creating a cabal to take down the king before he destroys the ecology completely
merchants provide info and resources, artisans provide upgrades and weapons, hunters are the armed force, the guy is one of the more skilled ones
I like this one, too

[Anonymous No.20658458]

Hello /wg/

I’ve just discovered a powerful author has their pen name as my actual birth name. There is only a single difference in the spelling of the names so I’m thinking, as a first time author I’m thinking maybe I can capitalize on that authors fame? I don’t fear legal action cause they can’t stop me from using my actual name. Is there anyone who can give me guidance on this? Should I just use a pen name? I’m getting ready to publish with the next 1-2 months after my cover is done.

[Anonymous No.20658467]

>>20658435
Your player's motivation will always be the achievement of mastering the difficulty curve of your mechanics, so any narrative motivation is a waste of time and will always be dissonant from what the player wants. The motivation in a video game needs to be like I Wanna Be The Guy—diegetic mechanical mastery. It's the only way for any kind of video game story to be effective.

[Anonymous No.20658469]

>>20658423
then give me your address and I'll email you, how else are you supposed to communicate, carrier pigeon?

[Anonymous No.20658485]

>drunk posts
>unopposable
>feel invincible
>post sober
>fucking retard
>stfu
>you'll never make it, etc.

I'm a weak POS until I abuse substances.

[Anonymous No.20658499]

>>20658467
Yeah, but I'm not gonna write walls of text and exposition. I think having a base premise is important in a game, it makes it more interesting. I want an in-universe reason for the actions of the protagonist, something more than just "save the princess".

[Anonymous No.20658527]

>>20658467
Good shit, by the way, I agree, but still want a more-or-less interesting premise for the game

[Anonymous No.20658531]

>>20657722
This conforms to my biases so I'll say you're based and let's stick to our guns

>>20658008
Agree it's a very easy change to make, I'm more just surprised I never noticed it before as a reader. Same thing happened when I learned a lot of British writers have dialogue in single quotations - I'd read a lot of writers that did this but it was invisible to me as a reader.

[Anonymous No.20658607]

>>20658467
>>20658435
anon is right in that it must be related to your game mechanics, and from your post I assume your game is like BOTW in that it has no real story/gameplay besides being an open-world.

As such, I would tie it into your conflict. What summoned the big bad? Is he nobility? Was he appointed? Is he a thief-king, corrupt?

[Anonymous No.20658619]

>>20658458
You'll be asked to use a distinct name.
David Bowie was born David Jones, but that was too close to Davey Jones, already famous for being in the Monkees.
So he had to come up with a different name to be in the music business.

[Anonymous No.20658625]

>>20653140
Just write everyday and try to keep your first book under 400 pages (this part doesn't necessarily matter but I saw an Anon on here saying he had spent 10 years writing a 10,000 page novel he didn't think was even halfway done yet and that's a No-no.)

It's really the only way. I write 4 books in two years this way. None of them got published, but it did give me the ability to just sit down and write whenever I want. Writing is like hitting the gym. It's hard at first but the more you do it, the easier it gets to reproduce. Also keep in mind Stephen King's advice that the easiest sessions tend to produce the worst results and the best results tend to feel like "shoveling shit in a sitting position."

[Anonymous No.20658628]

>>20658619
The thing about pen names is that you have to copyright or go through some legal loopholes correct? I’m going $0 in cause I’m poor. I don’t have money for fees. Maybe they’ll pay me off?

[Anonymous No.20658632]

>>20653367
Don't listen to him. No one makes money until all of a sudden they do. The only way to start off making money is by having connections and that usually fizzles out because they're not actually good and just nepotism hires.

[Anonymous No.20658664]

>>20653497
They're probably lying and just trying to rope you into some pyramid scheme. Marketing would help if you had a good book and you were buying ad space instead of just relying on a generic algorithm and word of mouth, but that's about it.

The other thing would be making a bunch of videos on TikTok or something but that would take just as much if not more of your time and probably isn't worth it.

[Anonymous No.20658669]

>>20653696
I feel like there's a level of nuance you might be missing here. Most of these people want to make money from writing original fiction, not just ghostwriting a manual or article for some magazine.

[Anonymous No.20658673]

>>20658499
Having a conceit is important, not necessarily a premise in the narrative sense. The heuristics of narrative just aren't the same—there are more impactful things that give the player momentum through your experience like flashing lights or achievements or whatever. Remove the need for momentum from storytelling and what is left? Honestly not much, just themes and symbols and a vague sense of ramp up towards connecting all your themes and symbols together.
If your game is a ball smashing game it should probably take place in the ball smashing factory, and if your ball smashing mechanic is good enough then the only narrative you need to drive forward is a character who desires to be the best ball smasher on the planet.

[Anonymous No.20658687]

>>20654748
F Gardner is definitely the most prolific. I have no idea how many words his books are though.

[Anonymous No.20658697]

>>20658687
>F Gardner is definitely the most prolific.
For now.

[Anonymous No.20658701]

>>20654420
That sounds like Darling in the Franxxx.

I'd read it, but the whole reason that blew up is it just happened to be what the literary agents think is vogue right now. And they get all their ideas from Tumblr blogs (not kidding.)

When I was querying my fantasy novel everyone was parroting that Tumblr post saying: "I'm looking for books about trans character and people of color, as well as stories about gnomes and pixies."

If you wrote something like that, they'd eat it up for sure.

It's better to write what's inspiring you, though. There's an Anon on here who has a story about writing a dark fantasy novel about an assassin on an island. Got rejected by literally everyone, then when Game of Thrones first blew up and an Assassin's Creed video game was being meme'd 10 years later he sent it back out and had like 10 offers in a week.

The writing game is plagued by gatekeeping incompetent trust fund kids who don't know shit about shit. You have to keep throwing rocks at them until you land one, then all of a sudden whatever you're writing is gold.

The only way around that is to self publish on and buy ad-space on social media but you don't really see overnight successes there because people are less likely to take a chance on an ad on social media than they are something with a poster in Barnes & Noble/ on a magazine article. It's the same principle, though. If you blow up on there you'll gradually develop a following and can theoretically start taking in the big bucks or at least mention that in your query letter which will get a literary agent to start representing you because they'll think they have a guaranteed paycheck.

[Anonymous No.20658722]

>>20654420
That sounds like an elaborate shitpost that someone on here would come up with to point out how dumb publishing is in 2022.

Mechas in ancient China with females rebelling against the patriarchy? Is that really where we're at now?

[Anonymous No.20658726]

>>20658458
It's go for it. I'm not completely certain how the law works, but there are some authors with the same name out there. I'd make them try to make you cease and desist or possibly pay you off and see how it goes

[Anonymous No.20658731]

> As they left they saw the boy up on the roof of the car. He was reading a comic book and had something in his mouth, probably candy. When they got back from the walk the boy was still there, although he wasn’t reading anymore and his candy was gone.
R8 please.

[Anonymous No.20658735]

My first chapter is at around 17k, and is nowhere near finished. Is this way too long? I don't know how to divide it up, other than make the first few segments into a "prologue", but even then the rest of the chapter would be significant in length.

[Anonymous No.20658737]

>>20658687
This reminds me. Alright prepare yourselves for this, guys.

>In class
>Professor asks "What's everyone's favorite book?"
>Classmate says Call of the Crocodile
>Several students chuckle at his response
>Teacher smirks
>They talk about F Gardner for a bit

I almost shit my pants. That no talent hack has actually memed himself to becoming somewhat famous. I very much doubt any of them actually read Gardner’s atrocities. Fuck that guy. He’s become a fucking plague on this board. The worst people sometimes succeed and it pisses me off.

[Anonymous No.20658751]

>Middle of getting interviewed about my self pub novel
>Guy's internet cuts out
What a disappointment, but we're on for tomorrow theoretically.

[Anonymous No.20658757]

>>20658485
Drink less bro. Go to AA.

[Anonymous No.20658759]

>>20658737
completely real story

[Anonymous No.20658774]

>>20658737
I have some friends who are aware of Call of the Crocodile. Is it really that much of a surprise? Also, what’s your problem with F Gardner? He could be a completely normal and nice guy.

[Anonymous No.20658780]

>>20658774
Well allow me to break you of that delusion. The man's retarded. He believes space is both fake and gay, the earth is flat and will @everyone in every single discord server he is in for the most inane shit.

[Anonymous No.20658791]

>>20658780
Kek. That only proves he’s weird and possibly crazy. He could still be nice. Are you LARPing or do you actually know him?

[Anonymous No.20658794]

>>20658731
>, although
1/10

[Anonymous No.20658798]

>>20658735
17k words is definitely way too long for a chapter, anon. You definitely need to figure out how to break that up

[Anonymous No.20658807]

>>20658791
I suppose it's true he doesn't intentionally antagonize people, but I'm not going to let him off the hook for his failure to comprehend basic rebuttals to flat earth.

[Anonymous No.20658808]

>>20658458
Agents will not fall for it, and anyone who buys you thinking it's the other guy only to find out it's not will be pissed. Stop meerkatting in repugnant, morally bereft ways. Being a used car salesman is just as skeezy and makes much more money.
>>20658735
5k is the upper limit for a chapter. It's supposed to provide a convenient bundle for the contents into one theme/section/time period, and give the reader a convenient stopping point.

[Anonymous No.20658822]

>>20658735
Yeah. I would run into this problem, too. Don't worry about it until you've finished the whole rough draft, but you're going to have to go back and figure out how to break it up. If you can't find a good spot then you'll need to restructure/rewrite it to be in better contained segments.

[Anonymous No.20658830]

>>20658737
Sometimes people want to watch a trainwreck.

[Anonymous No.20658835]

>>20658673
>>20658607
Thanks for the perspective, bros. The medium does have tools to express ideas and story elements in a more kinetic manner - animations and SFX, but also the feel, weight and movement of the character, the basic gameplay flow. I like how Dark Souls handles the storytelling - bits and pieces, subtle hints and clues in item descriptions and dialogue, although I wouldn't go full Carmack.
Connecting the motivation to the conflict is a good approach, it will allow to intertwine it with gameplay elements as well. Yes, fleshing out the antagonist will make the game feel more alive, while the player could be more of a faceless self-insert. Thanks, anons.

[Anonymous No.20658839]

I think I'm gonna pull the trigger and just self publish on Amazon. Should I send my short story collection to agents first?

[Anonymous No.20658858]

>people always go on about how we are all going to make it
>someone from here makes it
>talk shit about how much of a hack he is and how stupid he is
Just be happy for the guy and let him do his thing instead of being jealous of his success.

[Anonymous No.20658861]

>>20658808
How is it morally bereft? Its my name. I don’t care if we share a name. Its them that will be pissed not me.

[Anonymous No.20658867]

>>20658839
Just post it here dude, and then repost every week or so due to a frustrating lack of responses to previous posts.

[Anonymous No.20658874]

>>20658858
This. Holy shit what is wrong with this place. I haven’t even read Call of the Crocodile but this makes me happy to hear.

[Anonymous No.20658884]

>>20658867
oh word

ok yall Im the new Gardner yeah check me out kill me I want to die I hope I die tonight everyone but my book or else Ill kill myself you don't want that to happen noooooooooo don't let me die buy my self-published amazon book ok you seem to have mistyped the CAPTCHA please try again im trying you fucking retard jannie scum cum sucker

[Anonymous No.20658885]

>>20658858
People don't dislike Gardner because he "made" it. People dislike him because of his endless shilling of his novel on this board, as well as an extremely cringe personality.

If I woke up one day and saw that some anon made it onto the bestseller list, I'd be extremely happy for him. But I'm not about to congratulate Gardner just because he managed to meme his poorly written novel long enough for it to have caught on

[Anonymous No.20658888]

>>20658858
its a bunch of psueds that havent made or completed anything that bitch and moan about CotC

[Anonymous No.20658893]

>>20658885
He bought ads on 4chan. I doubt every single post about those books are him. It’s always only Croc. Why wouldn’t he spam his new books?

[Anonymous No.20658895]

yall like my tags/keywords for my new self-published amazon book of short stories.

I hate trannies btw

[Anonymous No.20658899]

>>20658839
How many short stories do you have? What's the total word count? Also good luck. I feel like I have enough connections and patience to get an agent and I'm sitting on a small list of men (less than 10) that are looking speculative fiction but I might have to turn to one of the many women.

[Anonymous No.20658901]

>>20658885
This sounds like when anons would sperg about Tao Lin posters all being Tao Lin. Tao Lin never even had ads here like Gardner did. I’ve never even seen Gardner in /wg./

[Anonymous No.20658906]

>>20658901
Congratulations. You’re not retarded.

[Anonymous No.20658911]

>>20658895
What does the "How do I choose keywords?" thing say? Seems like a pretty strategic choice you need to make for your target audience right?

[Anonymous No.20658914]

>>20658895
>>20658895
>>20658899
Its about 18 or so. Word count is 40k. Page count is 120~ish. I've reached out to one agent before but that's it.

My book is a total scam too. Im pretending to be woke to get people to read it. My pen name is Kelsie Glass and the book is called "Two Lesbians Eating Pizza" I've posted one or two of the stories on here before and always got either "really good" or "garbage never write again"

>>20658911
Search keywords help readers find your book when they browse the Amazon site. You can enter keywords or short phrases that describe your book and are relevant to its content. The best keywords are those that do not repeat words in the title, category, or description, as these are already used to help readers find your book. Some types of keywords are prohibited and may result in content being removed from sale. Learn more about KDP's keyword rules.

[Anonymous No.20658923]

>>20658901
I have no idea where to start with Tao Lin, he is one of the first 4chan authors right? He's got a million damn books but I only see people post about "Leave Society." Nice that he stuck with it, his early titles look very sketchy.

[Anonymous No.20658935]

What should I price my book at? Free or 4.99?

[Anonymous No.20658953]

>>20658914
Thanks on the keywords. I wonder then what my book title might get changed to if a publisher picks it up because they sometimes will. The title I gave mine is a reference to the morning but also from a poem that's very sad, which fits the irony and setting of the story but other than that, keywords and back cover blurb as well as the first 13 sentences are going to be key to getting the contents of the book across to people.

[Anonymous No.20658961]

How's your Royalroad book doing anon?

[Anonymous No.20658970]

>>20658961
>catgirl
>marble races
>dungeon
>pizza
>700 followers
Sounds about right. I'm working on a new project for RR, but I know it won't be anywhere near this popular since it has neither catgirls or anime aspects. More of a project to improve my writing and to get myself to write on a consistent basis

[Anonymous No.20658972]

>>20658961
Not doing that well, not by a long shot.

[Anonymous No.20658975]

>>20658735
You have to finish it before you figure out how you will breat it down. Chances are that you can delete a lot of it and it will come in at a more reasonable length.

If the length is still too long you can use subchapters (assuming that everything belongs in one chapter).

[Anonymous No.20658977]

>>20658961
im not gonna make it no matter how hard i try

[Anonymous No.20659010]

Well it says it takes up to 72 hours to show up. But I did it. Love you all

[Anonymous No.20659016]

>>20658858
/thread. I hope the next /wg/ thread is another Gardner/CotC edition just to spite the doomers.

[Anonymous No.20659027]

>>20659010

[Anonymous No.20659035]

>>20653298

"Nonverbal language" implies communication, meaning you are not in the head of the person doing the gesture. You are the other person watching in which case you don't know what's in their head. You can only guess. Just as in real life, so you just describe the gesture and leave it to imagination and interpretation.

If you are in the head of the person, then the gesture itself is irrelevant as you have everythign in their mind to work with, the actual thoughts behind the gesture, which is what you describe.

[Anonymous No.20659036]

>>20659027
once it shows up can you post the link so i can add you to the /wg/ pastebin?

[Anonymous No.20659047]

>>20659036
ofc. Sheeesh what an honor I would love that. I've only put stuff in Flash Fiction before. I love /lit/ so fucking much you guys are the best

[Anonymous No.20659052]

>>20659010
Best wishes. I remember you posting it before, but I don't think I read any. Are you starting another project?

[Anonymous No.20659058]

>>20659052
literally no idea. Those short stories just kind of fell out of me over 3ish years, and they aren't even good. I priced it as cheap as it would let me lol

[Anonymous No.20659064]

>>20658774
>what’s your problem with F Gardner
You mean, outside of being a prolific spammer with no self-awareness, whose books are pre-first-draft quality?

[Anonymous No.20659068]

>>20658972
Just checked. Lost a follower today. Down to 66

[Anonymous No.20659070]

>>20659064
>buy 4chan ads for years
>people talk about the book
>claim all posts are him

Lmao. So people actually believe this?

[Anonymous No.20659072]

>>20658839
Nobody publishes short stories anymore.
Nobody buys them either.
Just post them to an appropriate short-fiction sub-reddit and watch them get ignored there, too.
That's what I do.

[Anonymous No.20659079]

>>20659070
Of course not. I just meme it.

[Anonymous No.20659084]

>>20658774
stilted writing and dialogue, constantly switches tenses like a fucking spastic, unironic flat-earther

[Anonymous No.20659085]

>>20659072
bet I'm really looking forward to not ever seeing any success its the dream fellow redditor

[Anonymous No.20659093]

>>20659084
His stories are kino so who cares. Flat earth shit is idiotic as fuck. But I couldn’t give less of a shit about “muh tenses!” If you unironically believe this you probably haven’t finished any of F Gardner’s books.

[Anonymous No.20659094]

>>20659072
When people ask me how to start reading I always tell them to read one short story a day. More people should.

[Anonymous No.20659098]

>>20659070
Yes, I believe his books are pre-first-draft quality. No one will contradict that.
Also, he's spamming at the moment: >>20652544

[Anonymous No.20659100]

>>20659094

[Anonymous No.20659111]

>>20659098
>this random post is F Gardner.

Retarded. Prove it, faggot. Or quite spamming your conspiracy theory. Gardner has been a meme here for years and there are usually daily fucking threads.

[Anonymous No.20659112]

New thread >>20659110
since our time here is short...

[Anonymous No.20659118]

>>20659111
He already admitted it was him... >>20653308

[Anonymous No.20659157]

>>20659118
There’s a dude named “Gardner Larper” in that thread lmao. You fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.20659174]

>>20659157
>Anon's names are definitive evidence
You fucking retard

[Anonymous No.20659185]

>>20659118
>Gardner was Patrick S. Tomlinson the entire time
It all makes sense now.

[Anonymous No.20659194]

>>20659174
>Trying this hard to not be retarded by thinking anonymous posts are evidence.

Suddenly F Gardner isn’t seeming so retarded.

[Anonymous No.20659252]

>>20658735
Call your chapters "part/book #."

[Anonymous No.20659273]

>>20659194
He's still a clueless, obnoxious spammer.
I rest assured I'm not.