which bible version is best?

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Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:10:48 2022 No.20645041 [Reply] [Original]

which bible version is best?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:16:05 2022 No.20645072 One with texts in the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:31:15 2022 No.20645144 >>20645072 which is?

Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:37:24 2022 No.20645170

>>20645041
It depends on your intentions and your point of view. The thing about the Bible is, it is so widespread and so copied and so translated that specific editions and variants become noteworthy in their own right.
The original Old Testament is Hebrew (the Tanakh) and the original New Testament is Greek (Koine Greek).
The most common Hebrew version comes from a Jewish group known as the Masoretes. This Masoretic text is the basis for almost all translations of the Old Testament, and is still the common Bible used for Jewish people.
In the first century there was a group of Greek-speaking Jews who made a Greek language version, the Septuagint. This became the common Bible of the eastern churches. It's also the Bible of the early church, who wrote the New Testament in Greek. When they quote the Old Testament, they quote the Septuagint.
The Greek Septuagint and the Hebrew Masoretic text differ from each other in some places, so which is closest to the original? Well, in the 20th century an ancient collection known as the Dead Sea Scrolls was discovered, written in Hebrew. In some parts, it agrees with the Masoretic readings, in others, it's closer to the Septuagint. All three are used in making new translations nowadays, and all three are historically significant in their own way.
Saint Jerome, in the 4th century, translated the Bible into Latin, what is known as the Vulgate. This version is significant, as it became the major Bible of the entire western church for centuries.
Douay Rheims is noteworthy as a very literalist rendering of the Latin Bible into English. It was the English-speaking Catholic's Bible of choice for centuries before Pope Pius XII's Divino afflante Spiritu, which encouraged Roman Catholics to translate the scriptures from the Hebrew and Greek texts, rather than from Jerome's Latin Vulgate. Then the Jerusalem Bible (and then the New Jerusalem Bible) replaced it.
The King James Version is beautiful in its own right, and an example of a very noteworthy translation. It's not my Bible of choice, but I've read it in full (twice) and I think everyone should read it at least once if you are into English lit. I don't know German, but I hear the Luther Bible is similar in that regard for that language. It's so beloved there is even a movement of "King James Onlyists" among certain English speaking Protestants, who declare the King James to be the most perfect Bible in existence, superseding and correcting even the original texts
Anyone, this has become a VERY long answer to a very short question. Here is my recommendation
If you are interested in spiritual guidance, you should go to an actual church. Don't look for it on online communities, which are often poisoned by bad actors and internet trolls and people very good at hiding their stupidity in text. Your church will provide you with a Bible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:37:44 2022 No.20645172 >>20645041 NLT

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:38:13 2022 No.20645173 the mormon one

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:39:25 2022 No.20645181 >>20645173 The Mormon Bible is the King James. The book of Mormon is its own second book, that they accept in addition to the King James

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:39:56 2022 No.20645183 >>20645041 My personal Bible of choice that I like is the RSVCE, the Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition, also known as the Ignatius Bible

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:42:17 2022 No.20645202 >>20645041 The NABRE reads rather easily. I prefer the paragraph format to the verse by verse format in something like the KJV as well.

Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:03:34 2022 No.20645317

>>20645041
>>20645072
KJV or Greek only with no Alexandrian texts. The dead sea scrolls (and other sources) prove the masorectic text (and other hebrew manuscripts) is corrupted but the parts in the KJV that come from the masorectic usually have a trabslation from the sptuagint where the MT gets it wrong. Not everything but KJV is still the absolute best english bible we have tiday. ESV us a scam with heaps of redacted verses to push calvinism. It's not that hard to read the older english if you try. The Aramaic seens to be more in tact though so look up those parts when doing more deeper study. If you just want to read it first or only, KJV is enough.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:04:54 2022 No.20645323 >>20645170 >When they quote the Old Testament, they quote the Septuagint. They don't quote the Septuagint. The septuagint is just more accurate to what was being quoted.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:09:06 2022 No.20645342 >>20645181 polygamist detected

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:09:35 2022 No.20645344 >>20645317 >>20645323 https://preachersinstitute.com/2015/08/31/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/ https://preachersinstitute.com/2016/09/02/bible-beatdown-the-septuagint-text-vs-the-masoretic-text/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:10:36 2022 No.20645350 >>20645317 Apologies for the spelling errors. I am a phonefag and forgot to proofread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:13:45 2022 No.20645369 ESV. King James was an occultist

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:13:57 2022 No.20645371 >>20645041 hardly matters. you should read it in latin though for the larp

Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:15:25 2022 No.20645382

>>20645317
>>20645344
>>20645323
Here is an argument that the NT was quoting the Septuagint because it was more common then. I still believe otherwise however because of other hebrew sources. Please come to your own conclusions. Including in those previous basedrces I posted, read them and then consider them and don't just copy "facts" into your head as ultimate truth. Even if I'm right, you can't be sure unless you put in the work.
https://bibleauthenticity.com/the-septuagint-use-in-the-new-testament/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:16:56 2022 No.20645392 >>20645371 >not larping in gothic >>20645382 >basedrces lmao thanks dyslexia.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:42:07 2022 No.20645502 >>20645041 There are no "versions", only the Authorized King James Bible. Anything else is a mere "bible" at best.

Anonymous Fri Jul 8 03:34:27 2022 No.20645699

>>20645181
>The Mormon Bible is the King James
They also have the Joseph Smith Translation (also called the Inspired Version), which is a revision of the KJB.

>"In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God." (John 1:1 JST)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 03:46:16 2022 No.20645739 >>20645072 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 03:55:33 2022 No.20645764 >>20645369 >King James was an occultist Based I'mma get my cabal on

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 06:26:54 2022 No.20646169 >>20645699 True but only flds weirdos use that

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 10:15:22 2022 No.20646764 >>20645041 kjv

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 10:43:18 2022 No.20646848 >>20645041 2011 New Norwegian version with Knausgaard and Jon Fosse contributing with the translation

Anonymous Fri Jul 8 10:53:16 2022 No.20646880

>>20645041
Robert Alter's translation.
It is a compromise between retaining the poetical quality of KJV Bible, and the accuracy of translation.
Also, it comments on Hebrew wordplay puns (such as between "human/adam" vs "earth/adamah"), and other interesting philological observations (for example, on Cain's connection to the metallurgy profession as the reason he was included in the Bible narrative).

Anonymous Fri Jul 8 11:15:46 2022 No.20646952

Our King James which came down from Heaven,
Hallowed be thy Fame,
Thy Version come
Thy Works be done on Earth as it is in Heaven
Give us this day our Johannine Comma,
And forgive us our mistranslations as we forgive those who mistranslate against us,
and lead us not into Communion,
But deliver us from Rome,
For thine is the Power, and the Glory, and the King James, forever and ever,
Amen

Anonymous Fri Jul 8 13:20:37 2022 No.20647356

>>20646880
If it uses alexandrian manuscripts, it's not accurate. The Hebrew annitations are welcome however. Even though I'm KJV/Greek primarily, the parts of the Hebrew bible you can't really corrupt as much for an agenda such as names and other hebrew wordplay is interesting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 13:37:36 2022 No.20647409 >>20647356 Robert Alter is an Old Testament and only Old Testament translation. So… no Alexandrian Manuscripts but those are manuscripts of the New Testament, it wouldn’t apply here

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 13:43:05 2022 No.20647421 >>20647409 Sorry I forgot hebrew bible and bible were different for a sec. https://theorthodoxlife.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/ now here's some more contrary opinion. I'm not orthodox myself btw

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 13:44:06 2022 No.20647425 >>20647409 I want to also ask, how does Alter treat the acrostics?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 14:09:55 2022 No.20647494 I've been using the Oxford Annotated Bible, but I don't know whether it's considered good. Any opinions?

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 15:43:44 2022 No.20647835 >>20647494 Not for a first read through.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 15:54:20 2022 No.20647873 >>20647835 Yeah, but I just use it as a reference or for occasionally re-reading a particular book. I was raised Catholic / Episcopalian so I definitely won't be working my way through the whole thing again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 16:51:41 2022 No.20648040 >>20647873 It’s just so bad for a first read through. I don’t suggest it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 17:03:30 2022 No.20648079 >>20647829 This should be the OP in every Bible thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 17:05:45 2022 No.20648084 >>20647494 Is it the RSV or NRSV? As far as I know the commentary is much more uhm... secular in NRSV

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 17:37:21 2022 No.20648179 >>20648084 Actually it turns out I'm a moron. What I have is the Oxford "New English Bible with the Apocrypha" from 1970.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 17:50:46 2022 No.20648227 >>20645041 Biscuit Tin Bible https://www.loc.gov/item/2021667087/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 17:54:42 2022 No.20648231 >>20645041 Quran. Surah 3 & 5. Al-Imran, Al-Maidah. When you're done with these, make another thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 17:57:31 2022 No.20648240 >>20648231 OP here. Im not a degenerate nigger lover. I shit on bigger babies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 18:19:58 2022 No.20648341 >>20645041 ESV or King James Bible Everything else is a meme.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 18:21:12 2022 No.20648346 is this the new bible thread?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 18:23:03 2022 No.20648353 >>20648346 Yea

Anonymous Fri Jul 8 18:30:35 2022 No.20648384

>>20648353
good.

So I don't get how the Church condemns homosexual acts but allows using "natural family planning" as counterception. There is a subtle metaphysical distinction between them, alright, but the intention is the same, realizing one's lust in an unnatural way (without procreation), and we will be judged by our intentions won't we? Further, our bodies are also fallen now that the first parents sinned, and I don't buy the excuse that God willed to give us free sex via the ovulation cycle.

Anonymous Fri Jul 8 18:38:19 2022 No.20648404

>>20648384
>unnatural way (without procreation)
Huh?
>Here it becomes evident that the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church differ in their understanding of the purpose of marriage. In orthodox theological thinking this is firstly the reciprocal love, the relationship and the help between the marriage partners with view to their completion in Christ. Only subsequently comes the restraining of their sexual passion[7] and the reproduction of the human race.[8] It is remarkable that in the New Testament we find no reference relating marriage to reproduction. In the Roman Catholic Church it is evident that the ultimate purpose of marriage is “procreation” or reproduction. To see reproduction as the principal purpose of marriage is a narrow perspective on the conjugal life of man and wife. What value does sexual intercourse have between man and wife in the case of sterility or after the menopause, or if the wife is medically unable to have any more children? It is certain that the married couple have precedence above the family, however praiseworthy the purpose of family is. The story of the establishing of marriage is found in the second chapter of the book Genesis, which deals with the fact that “a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh”, without mention of reproduction. The Holy John Chrysostom refers to this: “There are two reasons for which marriage was established …to cause the man to be satisfied with one single wife and to give him children, but it is the first which is the most important…As for reproduction, marriage does not necessarily include this…the proof is to be found in the many marriages for which having children is not possible. This is why the primary reason for marriage is to regulate the sexual life, especially now that the human race has already populated the whole world".

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 18:49:48 2022 No.20648446 >>20645739 Sick of you losers. As if you can read any of those languages well enough to interpret the fucking bible of all things.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 22:27:19 2022 No.20649377 >>20648446 whats the best catholic bible?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 23:23:12 2022 No.20649519 >>20648341 ESV is a meme. It purposely leaves out heaps of stuff. At least KJV has the excuse of not having all the sources availiable in modern times.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 23:25:22 2022 No.20649522 >>20649519 I agree, but can you provide examples?

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 23:48:41 2022 No.20649599 >>20645041 Obviously KJV or NKJV, use Bible hub to see ancient Hebrew and Greek origins when in doubt.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 23:55:09 2022 No.20649623 >>20649519 ESV is the Bible thought in the south. Discrediting ESV is discrediting the last bastion of Christianity in the US.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 23:56:13 2022 No.20649628 >>20645202 Wow, I thought I was the only one who read the NABRE.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 00:18:05 2022 No.20649693 >>20649377 New Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 00:22:38 2022 No.20649715 I like the NRSV best It's one of the only Bible translations that's accurate with Isaiah 7:14

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 01:17:38 2022 No.20649883 File: 41 KB, 749x821, 1606459200661.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Which version actually distinguishes between Judahites, Judeans, etc...?

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 02:52:49 2022 No.20650275

Here is the answer simplified.

King James Version + The New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha if you’re interested for literary reasons. You’ll need to read both to be clued into great fiction like Ulysses.

Whatever your leaning is will decide the best Bible otherwise. Example ESV if you’re southern Baptist. No real right answer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 04:45:19 2022 No.20650736 >>20649628 It's still the default Catholic school study bible, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 04:46:18 2022 No.20650744 File: 131 KB, 1280x1024, DOUAY-RHEIMS.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Douay-Rheims

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 04:47:27 2022 No.20650748 >>20650744 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6zaAwes4K8

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 04:55:27 2022 No.20650776
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>20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
>21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 06:01:11 2022 No.20650940

>>20649623
>ESV
>last bastion
Absurd, almost everyone I know used the King James and most homes have a few generational copies. I have KJBs from my great grandfather, both grandfathers, and one grandmother. Even people who are at best nominal Christians have a KJB laying around somewhere. We have no need for piles of Satanic modern dung with great marketing.
t. deep southerner.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 07:20:18 2022 No.20651110 File: 193 KB, 1192x1438, Luther.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20650940 >KJB

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 09:48:44 2022 No.20651450 >>20651110 Orthodox priests can have sex And what's this about bug wafers? I thought most prots just used actual bread rolls or something else similar, not wafers like Caths do

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 09:51:46 2022 No.20651465 NIV, NASB, KJV, CEV, Young's, MSG

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 10:15:21 2022 No.20651520 >>20651450 Lutherans don't believe in Transubstantiation.

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 10:34:30 2022 No.20651553

>>20645170
>I don't know German, but I hear the Luther Bible is similar in that regard for that language.
Yeah, the language is excellent. It's what all the Bach passion oratorios are based on for instance. But even Lutherans sort of agree by now that Luther's translations are pretty lacking by modern standards.

For instance take Mathew 26:7:

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/Deutsch/Matth%C3%A4us/26/7

"a woman came to Him with an alabaster vial of very costly perfume, and she poured it on His head as He reclined at the table."

Luther translates this into "köstliches Wasser" or "delicious/precious water". In the following verse the apostles reprimand the woman for wasting the water when it could have been sold. Even in the 1st century I don't think water would get that high a price.
The original perfume/ointment makes a lot more sense and more modern German translations fix this.

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 11:30:03 2022 No.20651720
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I have a question about Church history / theology / philosophy.

My understanding is that in the early AD centuries there were basically 3 main schools of thought:
>Christianity: based on the Holy Scripture as well as middle/neoplatonism
>Gnosticism: Eastern mysticism + some heretical interpretation of the Scripture
>Neoplatonism: Developed from middle platonism / neopythagoreans / the main intellectual legacy of Greek philosophy.
Firstly, were there any other major metaphysical schools? I guess Stoicism/Epicureanism but they don't seem to have a rich metaphysical tradition.
Secondly, what happened to them throughout the medieval period until modern times? Christianity split into West and East, but do neoplatonists have any legitimate heirs after people like Proclus and Damascius? What happened to gnostics in this period? Did things just peter out until the Renaissance? There seems to be a break and honestly a huge drop in quality starting with the Renaissance. People like Machiavelli, Hobbes, Descartes, Kant seem almost completely divorced from the philosophical tradition, throwing away most of everything since the Greeks. From there, the Western philosophy seems to just die out and fully succumb to sophistry like Nietzsche, Wittgenstein, Russell, etc.

Are there any strands still alive that continue the tradition proper? Did the germanic people just kill off the intellectual tradition?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 11:32:21 2022 No.20651724 שְׂרַף

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 11:32:33 2022 No.20651725 >>20651720 Made a thread on >>>/his/13607273 to ask there too because I get banned if I make the thread here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 11:35:06 2022 No.20651730 >>20651724 Seraph?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 11:40:25 2022 No.20651741 >>20651730 זמר

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 11:46:09 2022 No.20651757 >>20651720 >Are there any strands still alive that continue the tradition proper? Eastern Orthodoxy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 11:47:56 2022 No.20651761 >>20651757 What about Oriental Orthodox?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 11:49:15 2022 No.20651766 hispa

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 14:47:44 2022 No.20652480 >>20651761 Who?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 14:49:03 2022 No.20652486 Are there any genuine Christians left or is it all a LARP? Am I such a broken bugman that I can't conceive that anyone would have a shred of actual faith in this era?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 14:51:32 2022 No.20652502 >>20652486 >Am I such a broken bugman that I can't conceive that anyone would have a shred of actual faith in this era? Seems like it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 14:55:00 2022 No.20652523 >>20652502 How do I fix this?

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 15:00:15 2022 No.20652536

>>20652523
I would start by going to the church as you may get to observe other believers. Other than that, it's likely a long and personal journey, so I would experiment with reading, praying, and generally hope that God has mercy on you and shows you the light.

Jeremiah 29:13
>You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.

It's worth it anon.

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 15:17:14 2022 No.20652582

>>20652536
>I would start by going to the church as you may get to observe other believers.
This is exactly what made me believe that it's ultimately all a LARP. Reading, praying etc. didn't help me with faith. I think I'm legitimately unable to believe.

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 15:27:20 2022 No.20652617

>>20652582
>I think I'm legitimately unable to believe.
I thought so too, but, unlike you, I didn't question others' faith so perhaps I had a more open mind/heart. I do wonder where this belief of yours comes though. Have you really never seen religious people? Do you come from a secular background?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 15:31:27 2022 No.20652634 >>20645041 EOB.

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 15:33:28 2022 No.20652652

>>20652617
>Do you come from a secular background?
Yes, heavily. I was also unlucky in that virtually all the religious people I've met were some of the biggest cunts and hypocrites. How do you know if someone has faith? People seem to all behave the same outside of chuch attendance.

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 16:05:47 2022 No.20652776

>>20652652
Hmm, perhaps due to our upbringing we have complete opposite attitudes to the whole thing. Having been raised in a religious household, I just assume everyone who says they're religious have faith while you seem to assume that they're lying. I can't even begin to understand what would be the purpose of lying when it's clear that we'll be judged by the secrets of our hearts.

Romans 2:16
>This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

I also work in academia where I don't even disclose my faith because I'd be judged negatively for it (e.g. my colleagues are celebrating UK Pride now), so there's no incentive to lie about being Christian.

>People seem to all behave the same outside of chuch attendance.
I do agree with this though: that too many of us don't preach the Gospel through our actions, which always concerns me as it seems to drive away willing people like yourself. One thing that I remind others is Bishop Berkeley's words: that Christianity doesn't say that Christians are good people and atheists are bad people. It's more that Christianity makes good people better and bad people less bad. There will still be plenty of bad Christians, and it's a shame that this acts as an indictment of Christianity.

But seeing that your main concern seems to be that you distrust other Christians, I still think a good approach is to try different churches. I'm Eastern Orthodox, so I would recommend giving the Divine Liturgy a try even if it may be in a foreign language. Just look up an Orthodox Church near you, check the time for the liturgy, and turn up tomorrow to observe others. It's quite different from the Catholic Mass and Protestant services, so I'd approach with an open mind/heart and see what happens.

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Anonymous Sat Jul 9 17:16:34 2022 No.20653099
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>>20652523
Humble yourself before God, study the scriptures (all of it, not just the NT, the bible starts "in the beginning" so read from there).
https://www.openbible.info/topics/humble
https://www.openbible.info/topics/seeking_God

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 17:41:41 2022 No.20653194

>>20652652
This is my experience with most people from Protestant / Evangelical churches. I attend a small Eastern Orthodox parish there and the people are really serious and dedicated to their faith, and aren’t LARPers at all, even if many of them are converts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 17:42:42 2022 No.20653199 >>20653194 I should clarify that there are many very faithful Protestants who try their best to follow Christ, I’m not dismissing all of them at all. It was Protestants who helped me find Christianity

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 17:44:02 2022 No.20653204 >>20653099 Those verses aren’t in the original text.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 18:21:18 2022 No.20653360 >>20647829 I still don't understand the omittance of apocrypha in many protestant bibles. Isn't the idea that while they aren't canonical, they can still be useful in guiding one's faith?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 18:25:20 2022 No.20653381 >>20653360 They can be used to justify the Purgatory and other controversial things AFAIK.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 18:27:55 2022 No.20653398 >>20645502 >putting a translation over the original languages Very retarded

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 19:04:29 2022 No.20653579 >>20653099 So you're saying KJV added random shit which isn't in other translations?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 20:15:56 2022 No.20653936 >>20647829 wait what’s wrong with reading the apocrypha

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 20:26:29 2022 No.20653986 >>20653936 There's nothing wrong with reading the Apocrypha

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 20:31:08 2022 No.20654010 just got the Penguin Classics version of the Bible (KJV translation) as a gift. what am i in for?

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 20:43:45 2022 No.20654070

>>20652776
>>20653194
>>20653199
Bit late but thanks for the answers. I've leaned Orthodox and attended for a while before realizing that I had no faith and I couldn't fake it till I made it. It just felt wrong. I never talked to anyone about faith outside of this place because it's anonymous.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 21:54:09 2022 No.20654379 >>20654070 What is it that gives you the most doubt?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 22:31:00 2022 No.20654568 File: 595 KB, 1366x768, eob vs kjv.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20653099 lol not in the Majority Text

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 22:38:50 2022 No.20654600 >>20653099 lol, that pic really sets them off huh read the KJB once and you see right through satan's lies in his fake christian churches and right through apostasy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 23:03:37 2022 No.20654702 >>20653099 All those verses are in the Douay, and Jerome also correctly translated Genesis. Now do penance :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 23:18:28 2022 No.20654735 The best bible is the one in the trash.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 01:38:51 2022 No.20655255 >>20645170 Personally I am looking for two versions: >1. The most accurate to the original text. >2. The one which is the most well written (which seems to be the Kings James Bible from what I am hearing)

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Anonymous Sun Jul 10 06:28:21 2022 No.20655982

>>20654379
The entire discourse is founded on having belief, all right, then both OT God and Jesus in the NT used miracles freely to "prove" things so that people would have faith. I take it that this was an effective way of proving things to people, and according to the NT this ability to perform miracles was transferred onto the Apostles and then Saints and other blessed people. OK. Now we live in an era of great spiritual turmoil but we also have modern medicine doing what long ago was considered a miracle. If Christianity is still active as a religion why are miracles pretty much impossible to come across? Why are there no Saints going around lifting people from their graves like Nicholas the Wonderworker? In order to rationalize this in any way other than "it's all made up, miracles never happened" I'd have to do Olympics tier mental gymnastics. If God doesn't want miracles to happen any longer because nobody in this era deserves to be saved, then what's my point in believing then? Most people are raised as atheists, fair and square. Institutionalized Church is filled with pedophiles who diddle kids. What fault to people have if they're moving away from Christianity and religion in general? If I make a comparison with Buddhism, Buddhism holds much more coherently before modernity. There's no benevolent God that wants me saved in Buddhism, there's just Samsara and the Hell-world we're forced to live in again and again until we personally break away from it. Buddhism doesn't ever attempt to prove that Samsara exists, but the Buddha performs miracles as well, because in the end all religions are founded on "hey, miracle, look!" basically magic, but now there's science, modern medicine, so why doesn't an Angel come down from the sky to remind people that God is real? It's not like it never happened before.
Same with Creation and other things that obviously didn't happen. If I'm supposed to look at certain things as allegory then how do I discern? How do the people in institutions discern what is to be looked at as allegory?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 09:28:30 2022 No.20656350 >>20654010 Saving your eternal soul.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 11:04:55 2022 No.20656492 File: 77 KB, 1078x1151, 1642693260915.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20645041 Niche question: which type of italian bible is the most loyal to the original texts?

Anonymous Sun Jul 10 12:28:54 2022 No.20656651

>>20655982
Wonderworking saints still exist. Read about people like St. Paisios the Athonite, St. Nektarios of Aegina, St. John the Wonderworker, etc. All of these people lived within the last century, some of them dying only a few decades ago. There exists abundant testimony about these people in the forms of books, interviews and much more, especially about St. Paisios. Most people who have ever believed have never seen miracles. Miracles are exceptions that are brought about at very specific times. The Bible teaches as well that the natural world itself is sufficient proof of God as well, as many philosophers and scientists across the centuries have repeated, and that thus there is no excuse for anyone to deny the existence of God in our ordered and harmonious universe. This is all discussed in Romans 1 and 2, as well as in many of the Psalms which say that the heavens declare the glory of God. This is something that can often be hidden from modern man, who lives in a world of artifice, concrete, asphalt and apart from God’s yet untamed creation. God is a being that is humble enough to give you the freedom and the room for doubt, so that you are never coerced into believing him, because that would not be genuine faith and love for God. This is not to say that God cannot and will not act for you though if you pray about it consistently, it was in prayer for me that God first made himself felt, and it was at that point that I genuinely believed in God more than just having some intellectual conception of God that was the product of a syllogism. Starting a habit of prayer is the most important thing you can do if you want faith, even if it feels silly and like you’re talking into a void at first. Trust me.

Anonymous Sun Jul 10 12:33:42 2022 No.20656672

>>20655982
I can only provide my perspective.
>miracles
Firstly, no matter how many miracles God would do, there would still be unbelievers. They would say it's fake, photoshopped, aliens, hallucinations, etc. So personally I don't see why God would keep performing miracles to this day as it's sufficient that He already sent the Son to die for us and resurrect. There's a written record of it, there were witnesses, converts, etc. For me that's pretty much as evidence as one can get.
Secondly, I believe Berkeley's explanation makes sense: God made the world in such a way that it follows predictable patterns. That way, humans can use the God-given rationality to predict future events and protect themselves. If miracles kept happening, there would be no way for science to properly develop because everything would be unpredictable. Science was born out of the Church, so if God gave us science to replace regular miracles, I don't see any issue with it.
Thirdly, remember that Jesus wouldn't perform miracles for unbelievers. Once you have faith, you start seeing the work of God regularly, and what were previously seen as coincidences are seen with a better understanding. I know very well that the secular explanation is that this is just confirmation bias, but that can apply to any almost act of God and only makes sense from an atheist perspective.
>creation
I agree with your concerns about what's an allegory and what is not. The Orthodox Chuch has no official position on this matter as far as I know, so I interpret Genesis literally. I believe everything happend as was described and archeological evidence is just a means for God to provide the patterns for understanding the universe described earlier. I can see how this may seem unintuitive to non-believers, but that's my understanding of it right now. Maybe as I read more from the Church Fathers I can understand better, but this has never been an obstacle for my faith. Considering that science can not even begin to explain who created the material world if there is no creator (first cause problem) or solve the mind-body problem, I see materialism as a nonstarter. You can't explain the most basics things of reality, so I can't believe in it at all. Once you accept that physicalism is untenable, believing in miracles is not an issue.

While this my not convince you, that's my understanding. I prayed for you this morning at the church.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 12:55:49 2022 No.20656729 >>20645041 Mandatory reading for all those hoodwinked by Jewish mythology: http://ancient-spooks.de/texts/10-commandments.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 14:55:14 2022 No.20657172 >>20656729 >ancient-spooks.de kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 15:22:43 2022 No.20657294 Latin Mass should only occur if they give the homily in Latin.

>>	Carloncho Sun Jul 10 15:27:42 2022 No.20657309 La biblia del Oso.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 17:40:13 2022 No.20657768 >>20654070 So you think all the people at the church and all the people in this thread that tried to help you only pretend to believe in Christ?

>>	Dirk !!hGWqjxceevY Sun Jul 10 17:41:16 2022 No.20657769 >>20649525 Was this made before the ESV Catholic edition came out? It's better than 2CE

Anonymous Sun Jul 10 18:23:54 2022 No.20657928

>>20657769
Yes, and no it's not. The ESV is still inferior to the RSV71, and the Catholic Bible Condorance list, which shows all the changes from the CE to the 2CE, shows the 2CE plucked from the ESV and NASB in places that mattered for updating, so it already gains from the ESV's claim of updated scholarship. I don't actually know any serious scholars who use the ESV--typically the ones I'm aware of prefer the NASB and the CSB over it and call the ESV bland. Personally, the ESV replacing "nor" with the grammatically incorrect "or" in several places should be enough for any competent English reader to toss it into the trash.

The chart shilling the "Refuge of Sinners" Haydock is wrong, though; theirs has the abridged Haydock notes whereas the Loreto Publications Haydock has the unabridged notes. That said, just go to an antiquarian dealer and buy the real Haydock for the full experience.

>>	Dirk !!hGWqjxceevY Sun Jul 10 18:27:11 2022 No.20657946 >>20657928 It can't gain from the esv's updated scholarship if the ESV has been improved thrice after the 2CE was made

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 18:35:36 2022 No.20657975 >>20657946 It can because the 2CE was quietly updated during the same time, with the changes appearing in the aforementioned concordance volume, the most recent edition of the concordance being from this past March, 6 years after the last ESV update.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 18:41:23 2022 No.20657996 >>20657769 >newer means better The NASB77 is better than both the 95 and 20.

>>	Dirk !!hGWqjxceevY Sun Jul 10 18:49:51 2022 No.20658029 >>20657975 Thank you

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 21:18:42 2022 No.20658711 File: 291 KB, 1280x1436, 2E07133C-7C84-4C4F-8C59-AD2452DA1037.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is pacifism the correct understanding of this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 21:25:47 2022 No.20658745 File: 83 KB, 900x1200, bible.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is the Oxford edition of the KJV (with Apocrypha) readable? Seems like a favorite amongst literature students.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 21:27:15 2022 No.20658754 Geneva 1599

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 02:54:55 2022 No.20660153 Bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 03:04:14 2022 No.20660188 >>20658754 >not the 1560 fake

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 08:01:48 2022 No.20661058 >>20648446 You don't read the bible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 09:15:41 2022 No.20661311 Where's the real bible general? Only newfags still talk about translations

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 09:52:36 2022 No.20661409 >>20651465 O yeah

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 10:31:13 2022 No.20661486

Join the end game with us based Catholics and get the Revised Standard Version Second Catholic Edition along with a Catholic Edition of King James.

If you need an autistic Bible for citations just use the NET Bible. If you’re going autism mode then you might as well go full autism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 10:52:15 2022 No.20661533 >>20661486 you pray to men

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 10:56:01 2022 No.20661548 May we come again?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:20:02 2022 No.20661744 >>20658711 The Sermon on the Mount is about interpersonal relations

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:21:49 2022 No.20661748 >>20661744 I'm guessing you don't really know anything about the Sermon on the Mount/

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:32:22 2022 No.20661764

>>20661748
I’m willing to be corrected, it’s just the conclusion that I have come to. The whole Sermon seems to deal with the individual and his interactions with others, as well as things such as his internal state (looking at a woman with lust is akin to adultery, etc.). We can also see Jesus praise the faith of a centurion in Matthew as well, but he never condemns his profession or says that he has to quit being one. When we realize that Jesus was the one who instituted the Law of Moses in the first place, and that he was the God of the OT, it’s impossible to believe in radical pacifist Jesus. Jesus also teaches to render unto Caesar, which is an affirmation of government. Now is it true that war is undesirable, or that we should seek violent solutions as a society or especially as individuals? Yes. Some sort of radical Tolstoy-tier pacifism has never been the prevailing interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount.

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:34:37 2022 No.20661769

>>20658711
No. The Sermon on the Mount covers several different topics, and they're not subsumed into "pacifism". If we were to summarize the Sermon on the Mount in a single sentence, it would be something like this: How to live a life that is dedicated to and pleasing to God, free from hypocrisy, full of love and grace, full of wisdom and discernment. It covers:

Matthew 5:3-12 - The Beatitudes
Matthew 5:13-16 - Salt and Light
Matthew 5:17-20 - Jesus fulfilled the Law
Matthew 5:21-26 - Anger and Murder
Matthew 5:27-30 - Lust and Adultery
Matthew 5:31-32 - Divorce and Remarriage
Matthew 5:33-37 - Oaths
Matthew 5:38-42 - Eye for an Eye
Matthew 5:43-48 - Love your enemies
Matthew 6:1-4 - Give to the Needy
Matthew 6:5-15 - How to Pray
Matthew 6:16-18 - How to Fast
Matthew 6:19-24 - Treasures in Heaven
Matthew 6:25-34 - Do not worry
Matthew 7:1-6 - Do not judge hypocritically
Matthew 7:7-12 - Ask, Seek, Knock
Matthew 7:13-14 - The Narrow Gate
Matthew 7:15-23 - False Prophets
Matthew 7:24-27 - The Wise Builder
Matthew 7:28-29 concludes the Sermon.

Pacifism is a modern cocept that has nothing to do with Christ's teachings. His teachings are for our souls.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:35:09 2022 No.20661771 MARK

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:00:33 2022 No.20661871 is there a infographic on bible study planner for a beginner? i'm not sure where to start

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:01:37 2022 No.20661879 >>20661771 Oh hai, Mark

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:05:08 2022 No.20661888

>>20645041
>Athiest
>mom buys my wife and I a "Family Bible"
(for those that don't know, it's a HUGE FUCKING BIBLE, usually made better than others with gold leaf and all the decorations, sometimes illustrations."
>apparently they're like $70 and up depending on how decorative and bombastic you want to be about them and the quality of the material.
>keep it in the same condition and quality as the rest of my books
>is honestly one of my favorite books to own if only because of how nice it fucking is

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:06:56 2022 No.20661895

>>20661871
In case no one is able to provide a good infograph, start on the Gospels, I recommend reading Matthew and then John after that, and then reading Acts after the Gospels, and then reading the rest of the NT epistles and Revelation. After that, at some point, read the Pentateuch + Joshua. The law parts can be hard to get through, but it’s worth it in the end.

Also worth reading at any times are Ecclesiastes, Proverbs and the Psalms. Psalm 1, Psalm 22, Psalm 23, Psalm 34, Psalm 50, Psalm 51, etc. are all very good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:08:06 2022 No.20661899 You are not scriptural, you are not senpai >>20661879 Hello pilly

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:08:33 2022 No.20661901 >>20661888 teenagers don't get this. they just see a Bible and start rolling joints out of psalms to stick it to "the man". Art is art, religious or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:10:37 2022 No.20661906 >>20661901 I drew water guns in my Bible at summer camp because we were all promised a super soaker battle if we were nice and I was 8. The motivations kids have to have to participate in religion...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:18:48 2022 No.20661941 I’ve been using the ESV for years. I’m not sure why I’m attached to it. It just seems like it’s pretty straightforward with minimal bullshitting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:46:55 2022 No.20662054 >>20661895 thanks, as someone new to christianity should i start with the jefferson bible or should i start with kjv?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:59:22 2022 No.20662106 >>20662054 KJV. Don’t read the Jefferson Bible, it’s a literal mutilation created by cutting and pasting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:00:28 2022 No.20663299 Bump

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:05:10 2022 No.20663319

I'll join a monastery and pray for guidance. I have no possessions, I never cared for money, for sex, for the physical world. I only cared about learning and reading but I feel like it has become an impediment to spiritual growth. I don't think I'll become a monk, I just need God to guide me to know how I should use His gifts to worship Him because I'm lost and I've been lost for the past years. God have mercy on me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 19:33:51 2022 No.20663429 >>20647829 The big mistake here is reading deep literature like the Bible in a tranny creole like English. European languages do not have this translation autism

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 20:23:15 2022 No.20663625 File: 321 KB, 518x461, 1656870379246.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why can't jews stop worshipping moloch/baal after exodus unto this day? God gave them so many chances

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:05:08 2022 No.20663793
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>>20663625
>American Protestant religous art is so bland and devoid of color they can’t tell it’s a Latin American folk art depiction of Mary mourning over the Body of Jesus before he was placed in the tomb
Maybe if it had a McDonald’s logo and an explaination in comic sans they would get it
>inb4 “meds”
This shit is why people become orthodox or catholic, the Christian artistic tradition is much more rich than that spikey haired portrait that one kid painted or Mormon Jesus holding up the Constitution
>>20645041
RSV Common Bible Expanded Edition, or the 90’s NRSV with Apocrypha if you can work around the inclusive language. My bias is that I’m Orthodox and it’s easier to carry around a decent one volume Bible than the Lexham Septuagint and the EOB NT. Most people would just go for the NRSV or NKJV anyways since it’s what’s available and they’re not autistic like us

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:17:52 2022 No.20663839 >>20663793 sounds like a cope. Looks demonic to me

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 21:33:21 2022 No.20663902 >>20645041 kjv

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 23:15:58 2022 No.20664281 >learn a little about Jehovahs witnesses >learn a little about Mormons >learn a little about Christian Rosenkreuz and gnostics >begin to see why catholics hated heretics Certainly gives me a new perspective on them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 23:19:33 2022 No.20664291 >>20664281 What did you learn?

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 23:27:08 2022 No.20664317

>>20664291
>jehovahs witnesses believe Christ is Michael the arch angel and his physical body was not raised from the dead, but dissolved and his spirit body presented after
>Mormons believe Christ is Satan's spirit brother
>CR an gnostics think you can basically become God, and in the case of CR Christ was a man who became God, not God became man
Most I've learned about is witnesses. Their Bible "translation" alone is disturbing. And I used to think they were people who just believed something "a little different"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 23:28:37 2022 No.20664322 >>20650744 Tan Books is having a 40% off sale for St. Benedict's day today. I really like their DR version. https://tanbooks.com/catholic-bibles/ The discount shows up in the cart.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 00:35:54 2022 No.20664535

>>20650744
>>20664322
>glued bindings
Sad. I did manage to score a Douay-Rheims concordance by Tan from the 80s, back when it was sewn. I did this after messaging their customer service and learning the current printing of said concordance is glued. BTW, glued bindings should be outlawed desu, alongside "Printed in China" Bibles; if we can print trashy YA novels in first-world countries, Bible publishers have no excuse.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 00:46:19 2022 No.20664569 >>20663319 Perhaps it is high time to stop reading, And start writing.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 00:46:50 2022 No.20664576

>>20664317
>>Mormons believe Christ is Satan's spirit brother
That's barely scratching the surface.
In no particular order:
>God was once a man in another universe with its own God
>God has a wife with equal power and created humanity through divine procreation
>the material universe is uncreated and was "organized" into the world we know from pre-existing elements
>everything is material, including divine beings and the Holy Ghost, and they are composed of particles too fine to be perceived by our instruments
>baptism is mandatory for salvation, even for the dead, and proxy baptism on the behalf of every human who ever lived is an end goal of the church, which devotes significant resources to family history reaearch
>there are 3 levels to heaven, the telestial, terrestrial, and celestial realms (of which the last has another 3 subdivisions), and the worst sinners will still go to a place better than Earth
>Hell is called outer darkness and will be the abode of Satan and his angels as well as those who have a perfect witness of the LDS gospel and reject it
>marriage is mandatory to get into the 3rd and highest level of heaven and those who die unmarried will be able to date in the spirit world (where the dead await the resurrection)
>ancient Jews colonized the Americas with horses
>God lives near a star called Kolob
>Adam is the archangel Michael
>Christ volunteered for the position of savior in a council held before creation, at which Satan volunteered a plan under which man would have no free will and thus everyone would be saved
>in the 1000-year reign of Christ on Earth before Armageddon the Third Temple will be built in Jerusalem, as well as a counterpart in Independence, Missouri
It's wild.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 00:52:08 2022 No.20664595 >>20664535 I actually have the paperback, not one of the leather types. The layout, printing, red text, extras and so on are nice at least.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 02:04:27 2022 No.20664836 >>20664317 Wait until you learn about the links to Freemasonry

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 04:42:58 2022 No.20665392 >>20664535 Brought to you by the people who use styrofoam wafers injected with a tiny amount of wheat fiber for Communion "bread".

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 05:01:18 2022 No.20665458 >>20665392 Daily reminder that nobody in the Apostolic Church believed the Eucharist was just a symbol.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 05:13:42 2022 No.20665499

Which Bible is the most "accurate" to the old texts? Which is also in English. I am not looking for readability or beauty of prose, just the one which abides by the ancient scriptures the most. I am considering writing a book based around the mythology of the Bible and would like to know it in and out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 05:18:53 2022 No.20665511 >>20645041 https://www.worldhistory.org/article/225/enuma-elish---the-babylonian-epic-of-creation---fu/

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 06:23:29 2022 No.20665673

>>20665499
>Which Bible is the most "accurate" to the old texts? Which is also in English. I am not looking for readability or beauty of prose, just the one which abides by the ancient scriptures the most.
An interlinear.
>I am considering writing a book based around the mythology of the Bible and would like to know it in and out.
You should probably write about a collection of mythology instead, then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 12:02:13 2022 No.20666376 bump

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 12:06:29 2022 No.20666388
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Why does YHWH in the OT demand the genocide of Canaanites and other enemies of the Jews? Why does Moses get angry that the Jews hadn't mass murdered ALL the women and children? How do Christians justify this?

Does Islam with it's selective validation of pre-Islamic revelatory texts reject this to be in line with the Quran's Sword Verses that forbid the murder of non-combatants/women-children?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 12:12:50 2022 No.20666405 >>20666388 So the Hebrews survive until Jesus

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 12:17:00 2022 No.20666414 >>20664836 The use of a "scholar" who was a spiritualist (and claimed to consult the spirit realm for his translating) and his wife a medium for their translation is horrifying

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 12:17:13 2022 No.20666415 >>20666405 To survive they needed to en masse murder women and children?

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 12:21:47 2022 No.20666432

>>20666388
> Why does YHWH in the OT demand the genocide of Canaanites
Explained by Leviticus 18, where sexual acts abominable to God are laid out with their penalties. It directly says these things were practiced in Canaan. Incest, adultery, child sacrifice to Moloch, bestiality, homosexuality, etc. God used the Israelites as the instrument of his judgment on Canaan. The righteous decree of God decrees that this demands death.

> How do Christians justify this?
God is sovereign and his decrees are just, end of story. There are things worse than bodily death. Children killed in their innocence are granted heaven, as they have committed no sins. Christ preached in Hades too when he died, so just as those who died in the time of Noah were given another chance (as the apostle Peter says), those of Canaan had every chance in the world from God. We know that in Genesis 15:16 God says that the time of the Amorites had not yet come, and that their iniquity had not reached full ripeness. This was in the time of Abraham. God gave them four hundred years to repent.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 12:24:26 2022 No.20666440

>>20666415
Since they failed to obey God’s commands, they lived in a land filled with idolatry and the remnants of paganism, and became themselves idolators, worshipers of Moloch and Baal. God did not even decree a full-on extermination of everyone for no reason. People like Rahab (an ancestor of Jesus) and her family survived because they helped the Israelites and denounced their degenerate practices. The same could have happened to anyone. Isolating the Israelites from degenerate and godless cultic practices of the nations was vital.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:02:49 2022 No.20666599 >>20666432 It makes no sense killing children in the context of being guilty of sodomy/promiscuity and so on. Because they are innocent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:04:14 2022 No.20666603 >>20666599 inb4 >it was the guilt of their fathers/ancestors that killed them Contradicts one of the laws given in the OT itself where no child shall be guilty of the sins of their fathers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:06:06 2022 No.20666607 >>20645041 Douay-Rheims

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:07:45 2022 No.20666615

>>20666440
>they lived in a land filled with idolatry and the remnants of paganism,
> The same could have happened to anyone. Isolating the Israelites from degenerate and godless cultic practices of the nations was vital.
What were these peoples supposed to do? Jews were not trying to convert anyone, and the God of Israel was just that. There was never in OT an effort to convert pagans to their religion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:08:42 2022 No.20666619 >>20645072 >Amamaic like what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:09:16 2022 No.20666623 >>20666599 Children would've grown up to resent the murderers of their families. Everyone knew this at that time and it was common practice among Greek and Romans too.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:12:17 2022 No.20666630

>>20666599
Do you really expect pre-modern peoples to be able to care for hundreds and thousands of orphaned children when they already have their own children and families to care for? And when they had just spent the last forty years barely eaking it out in the desert wastelands only kept alive by God feeding them? You’re expecting something which would be impossible for them to do reasonably do. God says he punishes sins out to the third and fourth generation—the consequences of iniquity leads to the destruction even of the innocents through the what their parents have done. God doesn’t have to do anything directly. The Bible is very clear that sin brings about its own destruction. At the end of the day, saying that it was wrong to kill the women and children is to say that you know better than God and why he said to kill them all. I will reiterate again that cultic practices would be spread if they were not totally separate. Since women are more superstitious than men this would not surprise me at all. It was Solomon’s foreign wives who made him embrace idolatry and sin, anyway.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:16:43 2022 No.20666640

>>20666615
Rahab and her family were non-Israelites and converted. The entire Book of Ruth is about a Moabite converting to worship the God of Israel and marrying into Israel. In the Book of Esther, in 8:17, we see that “many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.” Many of the Edomites were forcibly converted during the time of John Hyrcanus as well. The entire OT is filled with prophecies of Gentiles coming to worship of the God of Israel, and that Israel would be third after Egypt and Assyria (fulfilled in Christianity)

If you had read the Bible and knew the history of the Israelites, you would know this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:22:39 2022 No.20666651 >>20666640 Show one instance where God told the Israelites to convert pagans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:23:17 2022 No.20666652 >>20652652 >other peoples behavior what are you like at your worst?

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:25:52 2022 No.20666662

>>20666623
That's not a moral argument, and you agree that the Israelites (as they are depicted in the bible) were murderers.
>>20666630
>Do you really expect pre-modern peoples to be able to care for hundreds and thousands of orphaned children when they already have their own children and families to care for?
Yes. In the Quran it is mandated to spare the innocent, and Muslim armies did so at the time of the Prophet Mohammed.
>And when they had just spent the last forty years barely eaking it out in the desert wastelands only kept alive by God feeding them?
Then God who is just would also care for them, as he is God, all powerful, all-knowing.
>God says he punishes sins out to the third and fourth generation—the consequences of iniquity leads to the destruction even of the innocents through the what their parents have done.
"The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son."
>I will reiterate again that cultic practices would be spread if they were not totally separate. Since women are more superstitious than men this would not surprise me at all. It was Solomon’s foreign wives who made him embrace idolatry and sin, anyway.
None of this justifies killing children who have not committed the sin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:26:10 2022 No.20666666 There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:26:43 2022 No.20666668 >>20666666 cringe

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:27:50 2022 No.20666671 >>20666666 I kneel...

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:28:19 2022 No.20666674

>>20666651
I just gave you examples of how the Israelites grew through assimilation, whether through marriage, political / social influence and sometimes force. The Old Testament says that when the Messiah comes that he will be a light to the world and that the Gentiles will come to worship and trust in him. It’s true that Israel was more closed off from the nations pre-Messiah. No one is doubting that. It was not completely hermetically sealed though, and was only intended to (re-)establish true religion and prepare the world for the Messiah

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:28:31 2022 No.20666675 >>20666666 I converted to Islam based on this post

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:29:34 2022 No.20666680 >>20666666 >double number of the beast ALLAH IS SATAN CONFIRMED

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:29:52 2022 No.20666681 >>20666662 God said to kill them, and God’s word is truth (unlike your Qur’an)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:32:29 2022 No.20666690 >>20666681 I won't attribute injustice to God.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:34:24 2022 No.20666701

>>20666662
> "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son."
“ The LORD is slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, to the third and the fourth generation.’”

What one does has effects beyond themselves, as this verse indicates, and as is common sense, even if they are not guilty for it themselves. They won’t be damned for the actions of their fathers though. This is in line with how the Bible describes sin, as a snare one sets and they fall into themselves, or a pit that one digs and falls into themselves, or throwing up a rock and having it land on their own head.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:35:25 2022 No.20666706 >>20666690 God is justice and goodness itself. Who are you to reproach him?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:37:08 2022 No.20666709 >>20666674 So are you disputing my point or not? > There was never in OT an effort to convert pagans to their religion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:38:25 2022 No.20666714 >>20666709 They were not actively called to convert pagans in the Old Covenant, sure. It happened, but wasn’t a priority until the Messiah.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 13:49:01 2022 No.20666761

>>20651110

I was raised Baptist as a German American and love this meme made me lol irl

What a joy it is when fellows in Christ dwell in unity and magnify His name as one, as the holy scriptures commands us to be of one accord despite our petty quarrels and vain theological debates

Lord have mercy on us all and let our deeds be pleasing in your sight

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 14:00:09 2022 No.20666799

>>20652486

God is love, brother

If someone denies the existence of love, they don't need a lecture or condescending debate like the atheists prefer, they need pure and unconditional love direct from the heart

I love you, let us magnify His name together and walk with confidence towards eternity

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 14:05:58 2022 No.20666815 >>20666666 christbros...

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 14:13:55 2022 No.20666843

אֲֽנִי־אָ֭מַרְתִּי אֱלֹהִ֣ים אַתֶּ֑ם וּבְנֵ֖י עֶלְי֣וֹן כֻּלְּכֶֽם׃

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

-

The faithful are divine, immortal beings and the chosen children of God

-

אָ֭כֵן כְּאָדָ֣ם תְּמוּת֑וּן וּכְאַחַ֖ד הַשָּׂרִ֣ים תִּפֹּֽלוּ׃

but you shall die as men do, fall like any prince.

-

Yet despite becoming vessels of God's power our flesh shall one day perish as any other and we will return to the Lord

Put your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will walk with confidence into His embrace

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 14:19:19 2022 No.20666862 >>20666843 Theosis-pilled

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 15:05:26 2022 No.20667057 File: 20 KB, 514x410, 12098723459082.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20666666 >Double mark of the beast

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:06:50 2022 No.20667344 >>20666666 >double triple six where can i buy a quran bros

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:30:38 2022 No.20667473 >>20667344 Double mark of the beast, because he mentioned Allah (Satan) twice in his post

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:32:33 2022 No.20667487 >>20645041 >the literal word of god has "versions" People are so fucking stupid

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:50:11 2022 No.20667572

>>20667487
The only division worth talking about is the Septuagint v. Masoretic divide, and even then, it is clear that the Septuagint is more authoritative because it is cited most of the time in the NT, and because it matches better with many of the Dead Sea Scrolls than the Masoretic, which is from the 11th century AD. All of this version nonsense comes from textual critics, shitflinging over gender neutrality or lack thereof and theological disputes over the canonicity of certain parts of Scripture. It’s peripheral to the text itself in the originals

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:05:12 2022 No.20667897

>>20667487
Yes, translations are versions. This is why the APA style guide doesn't allow for translated quotations to be enclosed in quotation marks, because they don't recognize them as the original quotations anymore. Glad to see you acknowledge your own stupidity, brother.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 18:45:14 2022 No.20668105 >>20667897 Imagine thinking some godless (satanic) academic referencing standard is relevant enough to bring it up as an argument

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:07:16 2022 No.20668225 >>20668105 >no rebuttal I accept your concession, you filthy papist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:11:47 2022 No.20668252 >>20668225 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:41:44 2022 No.20668428 >>20658745 It's a very plain presentation of the text, doesn't have the headings, summaries, or notes of the earlier KJV editions. There's some short essays in the back but there's far better scholarship covering the same topics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:46:40 2022 No.20668460 >>20667572 >I'm going to justify my faniction with more fanfiction Fuck off, you goddamn cultist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 19:59:46 2022 No.20668548 >>20668460 Kek seething redditor

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:03:48 2022 No.20668574 >>20668460 God loves you

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:28:34 2022 No.20668713

>>20645041
The New American Standard Version from 1995 or 1977 is pretty good. It is the best word for word translation. Some people have a problem with how often it provides alternate translations due to how word for word it is but I don’t mind it. I still holds the flow and sounds good, though I think the KJV is written beautifully. It’s also worth investing time into learning biblical Greek and Hebrew so you can read the Bible in it’s original languages

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 21:06:17 2022 No.20668885 >>20645041 which church should I go to get a wife

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 03:03:43 2022 No.20670409 Bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 03:14:53 2022 No.20670447 >>20665392 >megawealthy institution >very shitty mass produced wafers >literally the body and blood of Christ What a way to honor and remember Him.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 03:19:02 2022 No.20670467

>>20645041
The 1611 KJV unless you have a Greek and Hebrew text written in the days of the Bible. The KJV is the only true translation because it is a direct translation of the Greek/Hebrew texts. The end of Revelation says to not add or take anything away from the Bible, which is what all subsequent versions have done.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 03:28:34 2022 No.20670506 >>20670467 >because it is a direct translation of the Greek/Hebrew texts It's not a translation of the Majority Text, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 06:37:45 2022 No.20671010 >>20666666 You won't trick me, ultra satan

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 07:18:26 2022 No.20671096 >>20652486 for sure man a lot of people I've met in major cosmo areas literally cannot believe anyone has any faith at all. They think it's all a LARP. I don't blame them for thinking this, but my only hope is that they can find faith too

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 08:32:50 2022 No.20671275

>>20671096

Yes brother I share this hope

To bring to the wayward atheist the love of Christ out of pure compassion

To bring everlasting peace into their heart simply because I love them

If they hate you then just love them, it will confuse at first then they will understand

Trust in the Lord above all and the hatred and flawed judgments of mankind cannot even put a dent into your heart

The indomitable warrior, the conquering Lion of Judah, there is no slowing His march to the ends of the Earth

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:15:27 2022 No.20671357 >>20666666 Islamic Allah is the serpent, digits confirm.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:20:29 2022 No.20671372 >>20649522 Just google it and look on youtube for 'ESV Flaws'. I'm pretty sure they have a dedicated wikipedia page as well.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:24:59 2022 No.20671384

>>20650275
>No real right answer.
There are definitive wrong answers, like ESV for example, The Message, Tree of Life, Geneva Bible (it's better than most modern bibles though, if you're calvinist you should really be using that instead of ESV becayse it still has all the deliberate lies, but it's more accurate on all the other parts.), Da Jesus Book, NASB, NKJV

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 09:52:22 2022 No.20671455 >>20649519 >ESV is a meme. It purposely leaves out heaps of stuff. It omits a few verses because they're not in the best manuscripts. Textus Receptus fanatics are insane, you trust printed editions from the 1600s over ancient Christian manuscripts.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:36:13 2022 No.20671541

I'd like to reccomend the Orthodox Study Bible. Its translation alone isn't anything amazing but the notes, annotations and extensive documents make this essential to understanding Eastern Orthodoxy. I'd also reccomend reading Fr. Joseph Gleason's article on Septuagint accuracy and his other writings.

I'd also reccomend the YT channel REAL Bible Believers (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPCDmYOJJ08h-pG8J2iMDjA).). The main guy, Dr. Gene Kim is a funny sounding fast-talking southern Baptist. His sermons are entertaining by themselves. The channels has extensive playlists on Calvinism, Dispensationalism and of course, defending the KJV. Even from a secular standpoint he makes very good cases. I'm not a Baptist myself but they got me back into Christ so thanks.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:45:34 2022 No.20671561

>>20671541
>Orthodox Study Bible
Not even the Orthodox like it bro. It's just cringe Westerners trying to make Orthdoxy as cringe as they made all religions there.
>The work has never had a special approval, nor the blessing of the Ecumenical Patriarchate. It was not produced on the advice of any of the old orthodox Patriarchates. For this reason, the present publication cannot be seen as an official text of the Eastern Orthodox Church as a whole.
>Among the work's critics, Archimandrite Ephrem, writing in the Orthodox Christian journal Sourozh, has stated that the commentary "feels far too much like a piece of evangelical propaganda decked out in the trappings of Orthodoxy."[2] Priest Seraphim Johnson has written in The Orthodox Christian Witness that "the Study Bible reproduces the whole textual apparatus of the NKJV, including many of the doubtful decisions of modern non-Orthodox biblical scholarship."[3] (Both of these reviews review the 1993 edition of the Orthodox Study Bible, which included only the NT and Psalms.)

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:50:52 2022 No.20671574

>>20671561
Guess I read the wring articles. Thanks for the heads up.
What do you suggest instead to help learn about orthodoxy? I'm interested because originally I left the Catholic Church and after hearing about the difference between the east and west, it's reinvigorated me to look towards the other side of orthodox tgeology.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:59:27 2022 No.20671591 >>20671574 We don't sperg out about translations as much as the West. We care more about commentaries from the Church Fathers, sermons, sacrements, praying https://catenabible.com

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:00:10 2022 No.20671593

>>20671561
Nice shilling. Tons of actual Orthodox in real life recommend the OSB to inquirers, catechumens and converts. I even saw some normalfag-looking mom with her children walking into divine liturgy carrying an OSB once, showing that actual Orthodox families are using this Bible. The OSB had lots of priests and not a few bishops working on it. It is an introductory work for those interested in Orthodoxy and basic teachings, and it does this job admirably. It doesn’t matter if it has ‘muh official approval’ because no one pretends that it is the official Bible of the Orthodox Church, but people recognize it as it is, a helpful book some clergy put together. Also ‘muh EP’ doesn’t matter either, the dude is not the pope.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:03:31 2022 No.20671601

>>20671593
Ok bro
>Despite positive endorsements2 by such prominent bishops as Metropolitan Maximos of Pittsburgh (a general editor) and Metropolitan Philip of New York (Chairman of the Board of Directors), most scholars and commentators have criticized both the translation (not so much a LXX translation as a Masoretic / LXX hybrid) and quality of the study notes of the OSB. Representative of most reviews are the following excerpts:
>"If my comments seem harsh it is because the OSB could have been better, and should have been better. As I've mentioned before, if the OSB had managed to package an Orthodox approach to Scripture within the limits of a Protestant-style study bible, I'd be much more gentle in my criticism. That the OSB should prove to be so deeply foreign not only to the ethos of Orthodox Christianity, but to its doctrine and teaching as well is simply unforgivable." [1]
>”The notes to the New Testament are on the whole straightforward and some readers will find them a help in understanding many of the words and ideas in the text. Most of them though are dull and many of them jejune in the extreme. As a friend put it to me, they remind one of the notes to some school editions of Shakespeare. ‘King Lear plans to divide his kingdom between his daughters’, or ‘Hamlet wonders if it would be a good idea to commit suicide.’ In this book we find similar notes all too often, such as that on Luke 16:11: ‘True riches signify spiritual treasures’, or that on Luke 16:25 ‘This conversation is not between God and the rich man, but between Abraham and the rich man.’ The level is that of a not very bright Sunday School class. Critical questions are avoided by simply not being discussed at all. This is unsatisfactory, since many readers will be seeking help on just these questions. What should have been provided is an article setting out clearly how an Orthodox reader of the Bible should approach these problems. The solution adopted here is a further instance of what I call the attitude of the double-headed Byzantine ostrich." [2]

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:04:33 2022 No.20671605

>>20671601
>"The tragedy of the OSB is that, as Kevin Edgecomb once put it privately to me, it should have been better, and in fact was once better. Kevin has recently sent me a number of early drafts of the OSB that were once available online for all to see; these show that the OSB was once an honest-to-goodness translation of the Septuagint, and a rather satisfactory one, at that. However, somewhere along the line (and in all likelihood on account of Thomas Nelson's–the same company headed by an Orthodox deacon, I might add–overriding pressure to market the NKJV by making this an 'Orthodox NKJV' or some such beast), the project became the dubious, embarrassing 'translation' that we all have seen. One only need ask Father Patrick Reardon what happened to his translation of the Psalms; other contributors have simple become too jaded by it all and prefer not to speak of the subject. I think your observation that the people responsible for the OSB have simply ignored most of the criticism of the OSB is very important. One only needs to re-read Fr Ephrem's review to realize that nearly nothing that he rightly criticized in the earlier volume has changed in that later one. This inability to take constructive criticism, which smacks of the hubris of the Americanist brand of convertitis, is surely a major cause that the OSB isn't better that it is." [3]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:12:09 2022 No.20671624 >>20671601 >>20671605 Still gonna use it and recommend it, lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:48:24 2022 No.20671709 >>20671624 Ok

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 18:50:08 2022 No.20673321 >>20666666 Muhammad was the Anti-Christ confirmed

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:18:53 2022 No.20673451 >>20645041 How about study bibles?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:20:27 2022 No.20673456 >>20645072 >Masoretic text >Original

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:27:41 2022 No.20673491 >>20673451 Haydock, unabridged.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 19:51:04 2022 No.20673595 >>20673451 NOAB is too secular historical critical. ESV is reformed. All the catholic and orthodox seem shitty. I like the word on fire bibles but there are only a few volumes out and i’m hesitant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 20:10:09 2022 No.20673715 >>20673451 ESV Study is the most jam packed single volume there is. It covers a lot of ground.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 23:47:35 2022 No.20674430 >>20673451 Orthodox study Bible, Ancient Faith study Bible

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 23:58:26 2022 No.20674462 >>20673451 I'm not an atheist

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 00:15:19 2022 No.20674524 >>20673451 App. I reccomend AndBible. But I also reccomend just reading with introductions to each book for historical/cultural context and not focus on studying yet.

Plotinus Thu Jul 14 00:31:13 2022 No.20674586

>>20651720
Your "three main schools of thought" are incredibly misleading.

In the early centuries after the crucifixion of Christ, there were largely no distinctions between Gnosticism and Christianity at large, at least for ordinary people. It is incredibly important to remember that many of our sources are polemics, i.e. Iranaeus, Justin Martyr, &al, and they are largely trying to /construct/ an image of orthodoxy, not reinforce a distinction that already existed. Even then, "Gnostic" is (1) almost certainly not what they called themselves, and (2) the Church Fathers probably had specific schools in mind, not a wider "religion" of Gnosticism.

Further Gnosticism is not really "eastern" mysticism at all, whatever that means. It comes from the same cloth that Christianity does: Middle Platonism and Judaism, with some important influence from Zoroastrianism and perhaps Semitic paganism. But this same sort of influence can be seen in proto-orthodox Christianity.

>Firstly, were there any other major metaphysical schools?
Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Hermeticism, Manicheanism post-third century AD, various Hellenic philosophical schools (Skeptics, &c.), initiatory mystery religions (i.e. Mithraism), and an overall background of various indigenous paganisms (Egyptian, Semitic, Hellenic, &c.)

The Levant in Late Antiquity was a complete clusterfuck of philosophy and religion.

>Secondly, what happened to them throughout the medieval period until modern times?
Judaism and Zoroastrianism would survive to the present. Manicheanism would survive very closely to the present, but eventually fizzle out in China (of all places.) Hermeticism and other philosophical schools would experience a revival in the Renaissance. Mithraism and indigenous paganisms extinct.

>Christianity split into West and East, but do neoplatonists have any legitimate heirs after people like Proclus and Damascius?
Neoplatonism would be a prominent current in Christianity after Pseudo-Denys introduces Athenian theology very close to that of Proclus in the fifth or sixth century AD. Neoplatonism largely survives in Christian mysticism and neoplatonic authors (especially Porphyry) would be well-read after antiquity. Plethon attempted a pagan revival of neoplatonism in the Late Byzantine era.

>What happened to gnostics in this period?
If you consider Manicheans Gnostics, they went to China and stayed there for a millennia. There are some echoes of Gnosticism in Kabbalah and Islam, strangely enough. Most importantly, the Mandaens are the only "Gnostic" sect that have survived to the present day. They predate Christianity, it seems, and they trace their foundation back to John the Baptist.

>There seems to be a break and honestly a huge drop in quality starting with the Renaissance.
Midwit

>People like Machiavelli, Hobbes, Descartes, Kant seem almost completely divorced from the philosophical tradition, throwing away most of everything since the Greeks [...]
Midwit [2]

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 01:02:16 2022 No.20674679 >>20645041 the lolcat bible

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 08:23:16 2022 No.20676042 >>20674586 Meds

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 08:29:23 2022 No.20676055 >>20676042 Anon is clearly more intelligent then the person he comments

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 08:38:16 2022 No.20676065 >>20676055 Samefag

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 08:42:32 2022 No.20676077 >>20676065 So what? I can very well pass an objective assessment of my own intellect

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 08:45:11 2022 No.20676081 >>20656729 Some of these etymologies are pretty far reaching.

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 09:11:58 2022 No.20676148

Can't speak to the OT and Hebrew/Aramaic but Biblical Greek is really easy to learn for a native English speaker, you really have no excuse to be reading the NT in translation
Within that, note that the Critical Text is reddit and the Majority Text is 4chan

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 10:45:32 2022 No.20676358 >>20676148 Is it better to learn Koiné straight up or Modern Greek first the that? What’s the oldest complete and unfragmented manuscript of both the Septuagint and the NT, and are they still on print?

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