/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20645028]

Are there books that explain the conditions that produce mass shooters without resorting to smooth-brained "society bad" or "muh eros" non-arguments?

[Anonymous No.20645058]

>>20645028

I'm sure that some reasoned studies exist by this point, but I couldn't name any. I don't consume current-year non-fiction. I also reject your blithe dismissals of the two points you named, just because the two causes (social malaise, lack of sex) are mentioned all the time to the point of being annoying/banal/trite, does not mean that they are void of truth content, which is what you're saying. You're just sick of hearing about those two points and you want to hear about others.

I suspect that a major problem which isn't being touched (and won't be) is single motherhood. It would be worth doing a chart about a hundred or so high-profile mass shootings (we certainly have the data by this point) to investigate whether dad was in the house or not, and the general climate in the household. Probably not a silver bullet, but worth looking at.

[Anonymous No.20645060]

>>20645028
HOLY FREAKING CRAPP THAT IS SO FREAKING WES ANDERSON!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.20645147]

>>20645028
The condition is called "being a yankee on prescribed medication"

[Anonymous No.20645154]

>>20645058
nice theory except the latest shooter's dad signed off on the permit for him to buy the gun he used, and the columbine og shooters both had fathers with successful careers in their home.

[Anonymous No.20645159]

>>20645028
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent

[Anonymous No.20645192]

>>20645154

Fair, I suspected that the Columbine kids had dads around but couldn't be fussed to check, because they're only two data points. You seem to have missed the point of "statistical study". I suggested putting together something resembling a sample size (n=100).

The youth and race of the shooters are also categories of interest. Some weird white tranny looking kid does a few dozen on the north side and it's national news, meanwhile the same number die on the south side of a weekend (by multiple black perps) and it's just another weekend. The "school shooting" phenomenon as opposed to mass shootings in general (a much larger sample size is kept for the broader category) seems to be bound up with young, non-black men, or at least that's how it's imagined.

[Anonymous No.20645204]

>>20645192

The post which I just replied to, and which has since been deleted, read as follows:

nice theory except the latest shooter's dad signed off on the permit for him to buy the gun he used, and the columbine og shooters both had fathers with successful careers in their home.

[Anonymous No.20645242]

>>20645204
i didn't want to get bogged down arguing with an autist as i predicted you'd nitpick, i'm sure you understand.

[Anonymous No.20645612]

>>20645242

Yes, I understand very well that you, as an underaged* normie, are content to cherry-pick a mere three data points, not actually do the analysis, and personally make a lazy anecdotal conclusion about a sociological phenomenon. Fortunately (in a way), the problem has gotten bad enough that some people seem to want to turn serious attention to it, though I doubt any helpful policy will result.

*It's another nitpick, but your failure to capitalize both posts' first letters indicates underage/ESL posting. Even idiots fluent in English know to capitalize the first letter (especially the personal I), even in casual text exchanges.

[Anonymous No.20645626]

>>20645612
>*It's another nitpick, but your failure to capitalize both posts' first letters indicates underage/ESL posting. Even idiots fluent in English know to capitalize the first letter (especially the personal I), even in casual text exchanges.
touch grass

[Anonymous No.20645725]

>>20645028
We need to talk about kevin

[Anonymous No.20645728]

>>20645060
But the picture on the wall isn’t Owen Wilson

[Anonymous No.20645773]

>>20645028
No

[Anonymous No.20646487]

>>20645728
>Owen Wilson
Who?

[Anonymous No.20646505]

>>20646487
The guy with the broken nose in every Wes Anderson movie

[Anonymous No.20646517]

>>20645028
Society bad.

[Anonymous No.20646521]

I think it's because Americans take high school way too seriously. It forms such a massive part of their identity even into adulthood. Watch Americans argue online and it always returns to high school shit "me jock, you nerd", "you unpopular" etc.

[Anonymous No.20647862]

>>20646521
Don't the Japanese and the Koreans do this too with elite high schools?

[Anonymous No.20647914]

>>20647862
No, completely different cultures.

[Anonymous No.20647927]

>>20645028
Yeah, Americans have way too easy access to guns.

[Anonymous No.20647937]

society bad

[Anonymous No.20649344]

>>20645058
>>20645028
samefag

[Anonymous No.20649367]

Might have something to do with them getting notoriety and attention given to them by the media/social media... but I can't be completely sure.... Are we retarded?

[Anonymous No.20649520]

>>20647914
>No, completely different cultures.
Completely different races
FTFY

[Anonymous No.20649531]

>>20649367
>Are we retarded?
quite

[Anonymous No.20650066]

>>20646487
Lightning McQueen

[Anonymous No.20650216]

Unironically, Americans are psychopaths and your, and the, culture of capitalism supports and encourages this. I genuinely think that if burgers had access to mental healthcare without any sort of stigma it'd eliminate some of your problems. There is a lot to fix with America. I'd start with a nuclear weapon and go from there.

[Anonymous No.20651482]

>>20650216
Therapy and antidepressants fail to make the depressed unrepressed. It won't do shit for the psychotically violent.

[Anonymous No.20651486]

Colour tones

[Anonymous No.20651504]

>>20645147
Rent free

>>20645159
NPR are a bunch of idiots

[Anonymous No.20651511]

America is the phallus-head of the world so obviously its sociosexual selection pressures are going to be the severest. It's basically a rage of the shudra phenomenon, excremental underclasses lashing out at *-typicals for being cruel and cool, except there is no caste system to mitigate that rage. I wouldn't even say school shooters are a failure of American culture, they are its very condition.

Muh gun control, muh armed security guards just misses the point so hard.

[Anonymous No.20651512]

>>20645028
Propaganda, nationalism/religion, corruption and politics.

[Anonymous No.20651514]

>>20651511
Womb actually

[Anonymous No.20651559]

>>20645028
There are cultural differences (e.g. US mass assault perpetrators will more often time their attack to the news cycle and potential coverage) but there are many different societies which have some tradition of mass assault and your best starting point is running amok in Malay culture. It's usually an honour culture problem.

[Anonymous No.20651940]

>>20645028
SSRI's

[Anonymous No.20651949]

cópaк дзéвяць

[Anonymous No.20651973]

>>20646521
Based. I was a jock and bully in school and no matter how bad things get I remind myself that I went to parties every weekend and crushed virgin teen puss and most lameos were stuck eating corn syrup snacks in their basement playing vidya in a sausage party. It's what sustains me through the long, dark night of the soul that came after I got out of college (where I also got to party all the time).


It's ok, we all end up in the same place.

[Anonymous No.20652100]

>>20645028
Tails gets trolled.

[Anonymous No.20652112]

Any books on social rejection, really. However, what elevates someone to shooting is that they're also severely lacking in attention they think they deserve.

[Anonymous No.20652204]

>>20645028

[Anonymous No.20652239]

>>20645028

Probably the best insight into this is the Breivik Manifesto, seeing as how it provides a lot of information and was written over the course of years; but it's a brutal read, and Breivik's story alone won't give the full picture.

Look into the actual, serious studies that've been done on the shooters and go from there.

>>20649367

This is a part of it, but there are ways to get attention for yourself that don't involve both mass murder and, best-case scenario, the guaranteed maximum sentence you can attain in your shooting location of choice.

>>20650216

Implying mass murder doesn't happen in commie countries?

[Anonymous No.20652318]

Literally everything that gets to the public nowadays is designed as a stressor. All acts of noncompliance toward an increasingly nonsensical system are punished. The less tame people react to this in various ways including flipping out and shooting places. Ideally, society wants them to destroy their brain with antidepressants or kill themselves quietly. Literally nobody cares about suicides if they're not actively celebrating that white people are killing themselves in droves, then they're surprised and outraged when someone takes his anger out on the very people he perceives as enemies.

[Anonymous No.20652328]

>>20647927
as opposed to not having any and getting stabbed instead?

[Anonymous No.20652339]

>>20652239
just ignore foreigners. they're dicks. nothing can change them. I might be pretty far right but I'm at a point where I don't even care about Europe anymore.

[Anonymous No.20652361]

In the end the result of all this is that being an unhappy straight white male will be criminalized because you might do some crazy act of hatred. So you'll habe to get mandatory profiling and you'll be forced to take brain destroying drugs if you are not entirely enslaved. They might show you a tranny and if you can't say that's a woman and actually believe it you'll be profiled as a problematic element who needs to be broken. I'll have to kill myself soon.

[Anonymous No.20652484]

>>20652361
this is a kind of antisocial impulse that infects the elite classes. read Lasch.

[Anonymous No.20653742]

>>20652239
Name one "commie country" that has a mass shooting. Why are you doing whataboutism in the first place? We're talking about America and its hyper individualism.

[Anonymous No.20653765]

>>20652361
I want /pol/ and its retarded conjecture off this board. This post is nothing but babbling with, and I say this heavily, buzzwords in it. Straight white male. Antidepressants. Trannies. Enslaved.

Are you this fucking dense? Is this really what you think triggers burgers to shoot up their school, or places in general? My God, you cannot be this stupid.

[Anonymous No.20653779]

>>20645028
Young Guns 2 the OST

[Anonymous No.20653822]

>>20653765
how the fuck is "antidepressants" a fucking buzzword you stupid fuckface?

[Anonymous No.20653837]

>>20653742
I'm from Venezuela where there are mass shootings* literally every single fucking day

*going by the cucked American definition of a mass shooting which is "three victims in a short period of time"

[Anonymous No.20653843]

>>20653742
Can't smoke your local bureacrat if you can't have guns comrade. That's what the Soviet supreme said.

[Anonymous No.20653857]

>>20653837
Negro vete de ese país, te van a matar jaja

[Anonymous No.20654097]

This is “conspiracy theory” territory but William Cooper’s “Behold A Pale Horse,” as well as an interesting apocryphal supposed speech and predictions of a Dr. Richard Ray from decades ago (can be Googled and found online) give some interesting speculations about it. The fascinating similarities are in that they’re both supposed “whistleblowers”, people who somehow became or got close to the “insiders,” the “insiders” of course having rather sinister plans and methodologies they don’t want made public. And both these texts, from decades ago, rather accurately predicted modern trends, but even saying this I don’t take both as necessarily 100% true, but still interesting to talk about.

And similarities in both — specifically such as in a supposed leaked manifesto, “Silent Weapons for Silent Wars” which Cooper included in the book — again, you can be skeptical about it — but it independently is rather similar to some of the concepts in Day’s speech. And that’s the war-of-attrition-style of the so-called “elites” against the masses. So it’s not immediately something open like gulags, concentration camps, armed guards in all neighborhoods and the like — this is too crude, too obvious, leads to revolt.

Rather, it’s about total spiritual and psychological warfare on multiple levels. Economic warfare, lowering the quality of life for everyone, destroying the housing market. Degradation of people’s psyches through sex, violence, drug abuse becoming normalized in TV shows, movies, the mainstream media in general. The news as a constant barrage and assault of “new bad things and crises happening.” Control of the education system and pushing a homogenizing ideology which subtly rips apart the fabric of society and attacks traditional ways of thought and life, but all of course in such a subtle, apparently “modern, compassionate, sensible, rational way” that it can’t be openly disparaged or spoken out against without making oneself seem like “an old-fashioned bigot” or “crank.” Control of the psychological health-care system and use of it to target potential dissenters — unhappy, rebellious kids get put on behavior-control drugs and the like.

So this leads to a society of grating, subtle constant wearing and tearing down of people’s psyches, as well as the background sense of some type of mocking, derisive laughter at “those paranoid, overly sensitive freaks and conspiracy theorists who actually think society is progressively being ground down into some totalitarian socialist homogenized smoothie state.” In this case, as >>20652318 rather accurately and independently put it, without even having reference to the literature I’m speaking of — certain sensitive people just explode and rage, wanting to kill NPCs/normies/masses who they essentially view as “supporting and being happily integrated into the soul-crushing system which wants to destroy me.”

[Anonymous No.20654107]

>>20654097
(Cont.)
The interesting part about Cooper, decades ago — published in 1991 — was talking about how such acts, of random mentally ill “lone wolf domestic terrorists” opening fire on schools, public places and in the workplace and the like — would be used to justify passing restrictive gun legislation and the further construction of a surveillance state. So it was interestingly accurate. He also noted how many of the shooters were often on Prozac, an antidepressant which is known for having the potential drastic side effects of paradoxically leading to even WORSE depression, or of inducing states of mania in some people.