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How do I into law? I want to learn the art of lawfagging.
Also, how does one successfully go about reading law? Not interested in law school but think I could make it as a lawyer.

>> No.20636765

>>20636760
Lol how do you make it as a lawyer without law school

>> No.20636774

>>20636765
Just pass the bar lol

>> No.20636776

>>20636765
Not OP, but believe it or not you actually don't have to go to law school to become a lawyer. It's extraordinarily rare, since learning the required material to pass the bar is already hard enough while in school, but it can be done. People who go this route generally apprentice under an attorney for multiple years

>> No.20636786

>>20636774
>>20636776
Must be an America thing. In my country there is no standardized exam. And you can't into law without degree.

>> No.20636895

>>20636786
>Must be an America thing.
It is, but it's not popular anymore because (((law schools))) and (((lawyers))) got together to made it a harder route to pursue, even though several supreme court justices had actually read law instead of studying it at some law school.

>> No.20636928
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20636928

>>20636776
This isn’t true anymore. The vast majority of states require a Juris Doctor. Only 2 or 3 states don’t require a degree, and even these states impose restrictions.

>>20636760
First learn how the common law works, how our judicial system is set up etc. I think a pretty good book is Law 101 by Feinman. It’s a primer on these subjects and the legal profession.

Beyond this, I guess just pick out a few casebooks on various legal subjects and start reading. I have no idea why anyone would willingly subject themselves to this though. You might get a decent understanding of the historical development of American property law, contract law etc. But of what use is this?

The fuck you gon do learning about present estates and future interests?

>> No.20637415

>>20636928
he just has an idealized concept of “the law”

>> No.20637420

>>20636760
Go to law school.
t. Lawyer

>> No.20637566

>>20636760
https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-94-007-1479-3

All 12 volume.

Law school is a meme.

t. currently trying to become a judge because lawyers are retarded pawns.

>> No.20637578

>>20637566
all 12 volumes*

>> No.20637613

Don’t bother. You won’t retain much and you’ll do plenty of reading during law school. I’d read stuff you enjoy because you literally won’t have time to until you finish.

If you absolutely want to, read law adjacent stuff or sociology books that talk about legal issues affecting wider society. That will get you sort of in the zone for law school.

E.g. read up about Roe v Wade as it’s the mega hot button issue and plenty of content to read or listen to.

Doing well at law school really insnt about being some high brow logical wizard. You just have to study the content hard and practice writing exam problem questions over and over.

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This is all you need.

>> No.20637761

>>20636774
Only in California, you mongoloid. Every other jurisdiction, you HAVE to have a law degree to sit for the bar

>> No.20637771

>>20637566
Hahahahahahah you’ll never become a judge, maybe a magistrate

>> No.20637843

>>20637771
post CV so I can take you seriously

>> No.20637865

In England and Wales we have bailii.org where judgments are posted and can be searched. Reading judgments will give you insight into how the civil law is applied in practice. I find that most of the judgments are well written in that you can come away with an understanding of the arguments from both sides, the underlying legal concepts, and rationale for the decision made by the judge. You can then consider your own view of the decision.

You can also request transcripts of hearings if you want to get into actual court process. I think most states also have publicly searchable transcripts and judgments.

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20637872

>>20637843
I actually have a law degree, unlike a retard whose understanding of the law closely resembles a SovCit approach to the law

>> No.20637898

>>20637872
>I actually have a law degree, unlike a retard whose understanding of the law closely resembles a SovCit approach to the law
So what ... ? I have bachelor in Law and a masters in Law and Legal Science focused in Tax Law. Where did you get the idea that I wasn't formally educated?

And what are you talking? SovCit? Did you even see what those 12 volumes were about? Boy, you are the living proof of why most law people are retarded. You barely functionally literate. You were able to misread a whole complete sentence in plain English

>> No.20637953

>>20637613
>Doing well at law school really insnt about being some high brow logical wizard.
>You just have to study the content hard and practice writing exam problem questions over and over.
He is right. Most students can't read a law and literally see problematic cases or even differentiate between terms that need subsumtion or not. If you are a German: read up on Rechtsdogmatik and pick some Einführung in die Methodenlehre und Einführung in das Staatsrecht I. From there you can build a solid foundation. The german Staatsexamen aren't even that hard if you are a > 100 IQ dude.

>> No.20637968

>>20637898
>I have bachelor in Law and a masters in Law and Legal Science focused in Tax Law
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>> No.20638001

>>20637968
That was it? A performative act of smugness to protect your internet ego? I thought you would be going beyond expected. You truly are an average dimwit

>> No.20638012

>>20638001
Absolutely seething and lmao at posting at that 12 volume series pretending it has any merit in the legal profession outside a few boomers in legal academia who study jurisprudence

>> No.20638109

>>20638012
I find it shocking that someone who allegedly went to study Law thinks that 12 volumes explaining things such as:

- Is-Ought,
- Deontic logic,
- Various theories on legal norms and their meanings,
- reasoning for why we theorize "Sollen", "Dever Ser", "Ought" in a certain way,
- legal history from the greeks to neo-positivists & Co,
- et cetera,

has no merit outside of "academia". I don't know what you do for a living, but I'm starting to think you are a glorified paralegal. Most of my important tasks as an attorney were in drafting legal opinions about extremely delicate subjects that required a demanding mastery and rigor on legal thought and legal concepts.

If you think you are above this, then you might be in for a real surprise in the future. Most of the big firms already automatize a great deal of the tasks that we were doing in the past.

On a final note, there's no need for you to reply to this, unless you want to keep the facade of you portraying yourself as having any real experience or content in your posts. We come from polar opposites positions. You for some reason think that the study of legal theory has no real merit, whereas I believe it is fundamental to grow as someone working in the field.

>> No.20638131

>>20638109
You’re seething. I was a trial attorney for five years. Again, those 12 volumes were and absolutely useless to real attorneys. You’re a retard.

>> No.20638141

>>20638109
>Most of the big firms
Not real lawyers. M&A, securities, and transactional work are for the bottom of the barrel retards incapable of standing before a judge and jury.

>> No.20638167

>>20638141
You say that but these people are making 2x to 4x the average salary of a "real lawyer". I find this understanding of what a "real" lawyer laughable. Are you in the profession to make a living or to role play as a character of a television show? We both know the answer to this, that is, "real lawyers" are people that didn't have the grades or the financial responsibility to specialize in a field within law.

>> No.20638196

>>20638167
I'll add that everyone can be a trial attorney, but not everyone can be an attorney specialized in M&A, Tax, Securities, IP, or Corporate. Being proud in being a trial attorney means no more than being proud in you being low-skilled compared to your fellow peers.

>> No.20638198

>>20638167
M8, you are the retard who got BTFO last week—such that you had to constantly delete your posts—when you made the same puerile arguments that you’d expect a 1L to make. Thanks for the concession that only retards without an iota of confidence go into Big Law. Thanks for the laugh in just being an overall moron.

>> No.20638205

>>20637415
>>20637613
>>20636928
>you won't like it
Not OP, but what if I'm some autistic midwit who naturally retains a bunch of useless information and is autistic about stuff like law and philosophy. I thought lawyering was made for me?

>> No.20638210

>>20638196
>but not everyone can be an attorney specialized in M&A, Tax, Securities, IP, or Corporate
Considering HLS, alone, graduated 600 retards a year whereby 90% of them go into those respective areas of law, I am not sure that is the strongest argument you can make. Maybe you should consult that 12 volume series before you post again.

>> No.20638258

>>20638198
You claim I'm seething, but even when I ignore you still reply to my posts. This attitude of yours really goes to show how much you are projecting your mental states onto me. In reference to your claims, I deleted my posts because they either (a) had typos, or (b) I forgot to upload the file that I claimed to attach to the post. All of the posts after being deleted were reposted rectified. Someone (I suppose that was you) screenshoted the deleted posts and uploaded them to the thread, and thus you can verify that none of the content of the posts deleted were actually made permanently unavailable to the readers.

Furthermore, you claimed my arguments were no better than a 1L but you weren't able or willing to refute them. I see that you continue to insist on this idea that abduction reasoning is "puerile" for some unknown reason to me. Again, I think that this obsession of yours with me isn't really healthy. Inferiority complexes are solved with online stalking and harassment but with striving to be become better.

Have a good day

>> No.20638265

>>20638210
[citation needed]

>> No.20638266

>>20638258
lmao you write like a fag, billable hour wagie

>> No.20638273

>>20638265
Consult a law school's 509 report, mouth breather.

>> No.20638283

>>20638258
ups. I meant to say "Inferiority complexes are *not* solved with online stalking and harassment but with striving to be become better."

I didn't delete the post because I didn't want you to throw a fit just like a week ago!

>> No.20638289

>>20638273
Still waiting on that citation, friend. I'm sure you will be able to provide citations to make the case that generally speaking most people go to the aforementioned fields.

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20638290

>>20638289
>Still waiting on that citation, friend. I'm sure you will be able to provide citations to make the case that generally speaking most people go to the aforementioned fields.

>> No.20638296

Man you lawfags seem insufferable
Debate kids who grew up, sad to see

>> No.20638299

>>20638289
lmao at this discord tr/a/nny faggot of an "attorney" seething. Remember when you went on some autistic troon rant when everyone made fun of you for thinking you were going to have "intelligent" and "philosophical" discourse on discord, then proceeded to talk about being a tax attorney and how you are better than everyone on /lit/

>> No.20638304

>>20638290
>trial attorney cope
Just as I imagined!

Have a good day, colleague. Continue on being a "real attorney"!

>> No.20638389

>>20636760
My friend went to law school and said it was the worst experience of his life

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>>20638290
>filename says OP
Stop. I have no idea who you two bickering queers who are shitting up my thread are. You guys seem to have some beef between you from before this thread that I have no idea about. Why don't you guys make up? fighting is not good.

>> No.20638654

>>20636760
Cute young grandma

>> No.20638663

I'm a lawyer and as such I'm not going to waste my time reading this thread. I just came to say that I'm better than you and that you will never be a real lawyer.

>> No.20639478

>>20638663
>BREAKING: lawyer has a superiority complex!
>More News at 11:00!

>> No.20639600

>>20636760
She cute.

>> No.20639621

>>20638663
How many discovery thots do you have enslaved in your practice. How many of them are you fucking.

>> No.20639677

>>20636760
Reine Rechtslehre

>> No.20640279

>>20638654
>>20639600
My ideal gf.

>> No.20640286

>>20636760
I'll be going to law school soon and my institution sent out a reading list. It's a mixture of nonfiction and fiction. Like one on the hand is a text on how systemic racism informed past jurisprudence to Kafka's The Trial.

>> No.20640291

>>20640286
Sounds like the retarded pre-reading HLS made us read. Honestly, unless your tuition is completely covered, back out now.

>> No.20640299

>>20640291
HLS? I am looking forward to my education. Met the Dean, she's super cool. My tuition is almost totally covered, yes. I am guessing you took issue with the racial stuff? Hey man, it happened and it's important to learn.

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20640307

Is it really important to read legal doctrine? I'm a law student. I have plenty of free time these coming weeks and I want to get into criminal law, so I picked a couple of legal doctrine about it. Is it really necessary to become a good lawyer?

>> No.20640309

>>20640299
>HLS?
Harvard Law School. Are you going to a TTTT school?

>> No.20640314

>>20640299
>Hey man, it happened and it's important to learn
Then you do public defense for a few years only to realize that these people deserved everything that happened to them and they cannot be reformed nor civilized.

>> No.20640364

>>20640309
>Harvard Law School. Are you going to a TTTT school?
Yes, actually. And I am not ashamed to say that.
>>20640314
>deserved everything that happened to them and they cannot be reformed nor civilized.
This is quite racist man. Come on, what's the use in that?

>> No.20640374

>>20636776
OK, Kim Kardashian.
Thanks for playing, now please feel free to take
your seat.

>> No.20640544

>>20640364
Nothing wrong with low ranked school. I go to one too. But I have a full ride. Only retards take out loans for low ranked.

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