>what if the translator took liberties

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Anonymous Mon Jul 4 09:07:27 2022 No.20626273 [Reply] [Original]

>what if the translator took liberties

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 09:10:40 2022 No.20626281 File: 60 KB, 850x400, quote-the-original-is-unfaithful-to-the-translation-jorge-luis-borges-3-24-30.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Good.

Anonymous Mon Jul 4 09:45:21 2022 No.20626366
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>>20626273
>>20626281
THIS is why I'm stuck learning languages that I will barely understand after the end of it all. I hate translations! I hate infidelity! I scorn "libuhty"!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 09:48:17 2022 No.20626372 >>20626366 meds

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 09:51:24 2022 No.20626382 >>20626273 Basically reading a book is getting you're brain fucked by another man, reading a translation is tasting his sour cum from someone else's bunghole

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 09:55:18 2022 No.20626388 File: 50 KB, 550x400, 1653551046463.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20626382 Interesting, people would usually go for food analogy, but you seem rather fixated on gay sex.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 11:04:11 2022 No.20626554 >>20626273 yeah, no shit they did. have you ever translated anything?

Anonymous Mon Jul 4 11:28:21 2022 No.20626615

>>20626554
Not him, and I can understand adjusting sentence structure if direct translation would make it sound weird, but sometimes I would find details changed that didn't really need changing.
For example, in Lupin story The Queens's Necklace, the original says Henrietta and the wife are cousins, but the english translation changes that to schoolmates. The fact that Henrietta suffered abuse from the hand of her relatives, telling us that to this family even blood isn't as sacred as money and social position, is actually quite important. Even more so, when Raymonde's situation in Hollow Needle is supposed to be similar to this one, explaining even further why Lupin was so focused on her.
Another example, would you believe I forgot where (think it was Woman with Two Smiles), but it was an epilogue that heavily implied Lupin cucked a king of a small fictional kingdom and was actually the one to sire the long-awaited heir. That epilogue got omitted, but given that the heir thing was never brought up again, I guess they thought they could get away with making Lupin look like less of a manwhore than he really is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 11:31:44 2022 No.20626629 >>20626615 What level od brainletism does one have to be on to talk about random books as if everyone knows them and their content?

Anonymous Mon Jul 4 11:34:35 2022 No.20626639

>>20626629
What level of brainletism does one have to be on to not realize I just explained the situation and you don't need any other information on these books, because it's not about them, it's about the fact sometimes translators leave out details that might be important?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 11:36:04 2022 No.20626642 Worst thing is when the translator inserts comments and characters that weren't in the original text.

Anonymous Mon Jul 4 11:40:43 2022 No.20626656

>>20626615
Oh, those kind of liberties. No, fuck those. Although I did translate some stuff for practice, and while I did do it as faithfully as possible, I did come across a couple instances where translating an entire sentence, even in parts would just be awkward- I had to make the executive decision to cut that bit of information for the sake of the overall text, or awkwardly try and force it in. Of course, this was just random shit like, what kind of jacket a character was wearing, or something, but it's not inconceivable that this issue would come up involving more important bits of info.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 11:45:58 2022 No.20626677 >>20626382 Has Waldun translated anything? Asking for a friend.

Anonymous Mon Jul 4 12:45:09 2022 No.20626877

>>20626273
It really depends on the context. I usually "show my working" if I happen to flesh out a single word (old latin, old english) or character (chinese script, e.g.) or no-longer-used phrase into a descriptive line to clarify, otherwise the reader wouldn't grasp the meaning at all.

A lot of translations of older things (especially in religious or pornographic contexts) did this anyway so you're first of all having to undo their mistakes (i.e. polite rephrasing), then reconstruct what was said, then translate it again;

Although this is done nowadays already with the same 'politeness' in mind so the meaning of things is lost or outright misrepresented by the reader as a result of the politeness translation;
e.g. "Jim had stolen Bills ice cream cone, Jim had really fucked Bill in the ass,"
if you didn't know that "fucked in ass" was a colloquialism for ripping someone off, stealing, etc., then you'd be inclined to
1) remove the 'bad words'
2) rephrase it so it had no sexual immortality
3) have had changed the entire thing and lost the actual intended meaning
"Jim had stolen Bills ice cream cone, Jim and Bill were frolicking and relaxing in each others company (reading the bible)"
etc.

I know first-hand that this is how a lot of Roman texts were translated, but I presume the errors must be a thousandfold with whole languages like what those clowns Wade and Giles did to Chinese to English.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 16:20:11 2022 No.20627840 I say this

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 16:21:08 2022 No.20627847 >>20626273 I am sick of these jak memes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 16:22:48 2022 No.20627862 >>20627847 /qa/ won.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 16:23:11 2022 No.20627864 I am so fucking sick and tired of pepe/wojak edit memes, chan "culture" is permanently stuck in 2008 and its fucking pathetic. You faggots can't even make good memes anymore. Neck yourselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 16:24:19 2022 No.20627870 >>20627862 tsmt

Anonymous Mon Jul 4 16:38:22 2022 No.20627950
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>I am so fucking sick and tired of pepe/wojak edit memes, chan "culture" is permanently stuck in 2008 and its fucking pathetic.
>You faggots can't even make good memes anymore.
>Neck yourselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 16:55:27 2022 No.20628022 >>20627950 she's right

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:00:00 2022 No.20628037 >>20626273 gemmy qa won

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:02:16 2022 No.20628051 >>20628022 I am biologically male and identify as such, you fucking faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:03:19 2022 No.20628059 >>20628051 ywnbaw

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:03:21 2022 No.20628060 >>20627950 >Proves my point Thank you for proving my point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:03:45 2022 No.20628061 >>20628051 For some reason, I find this post incredibly funny.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:04:29 2022 No.20628062 File: 272 KB, 1070x1172, 1656347395880-1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] go up

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:04:55 2022 No.20628064 >>20628059 I don't want to be a woman. Stay rent-free realistate

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:05:04 2022 No.20628065 File: 204 KB, 882x1200, 1656944624077.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>Proves my point >Thank you for proving my point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:06:11 2022 No.20628069 Maaan, reddit FUCKED this website UP...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:07:58 2022 No.20628081 File: 384 KB, 939x916, 1651085081689.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Maaan, reddit FUCKED this website UP...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:09:51 2022 No.20628088 File: 27 KB, 443x523, 14799 - 4chan anime clothes ear glasses green_hair hair hand holding_object leaf open_mouth soyjak stubble variant_nojak white_skin yotsoyba.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Maaan, reddit FUCKED this website UP...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:13:01 2022 No.20628103 >>20628065 >>20628081 >>20628088 Le ebin heckin' memerinos my sisters!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:20:50 2022 No.20628146 File: 329 KB, 768x719, 1649376302422-2.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>>20628065 (You) >>>20628081 (You) >>>20628088 (You) >Le ebin heckin' memerinos my sist-ACK

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:21:28 2022 No.20628148 >>20626629 I never read that book and his post contained plenty of context for me to understand it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:25:43 2022 No.20628173 >>20628146 He's making fun of you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:54:06 2022 No.20628348 Best thread on the site

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:54:53 2022 No.20628356 >>20628348 tsmt

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 21:10:00 2022 No.20629308 >>20626877 >sexual immortality

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 21:13:15 2022 No.20629325 File: 33 KB, 463x489, soot.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ==SOOOOOOOOOOOT CREATE /lit/ ON THE FARTY SO LEARN TO READ==

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 21:14:24 2022 No.20629333 File: 75 KB, 640x960, NINTCHDBPICT000736131502-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20626273 >what if the translator made it better?

Anonymous Mon Jul 4 21:27:15 2022 No.20629408

Translation liberties are great but they require a deep understanding of the author, the work, its historical context, and of the language. You can convey meaning as accurately as possible but sometimes you end up losing beauty. In such cases, I think the beauty of the prose is more important than its accuracy to the original prose as long as it doesn't change the intent of the author and nuances of the text.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 22:04:11 2022 No.20629568 Rather, what if he didn't? Literal translations are NEVER accurate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 22:07:51 2022 No.20629585 File: 150 KB, 706x677, 1317764557351.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20629308 >legends of his dalliances won't be celebrated by homeric bards for all eternity

Anonymous Mon Jul 4 22:18:55 2022 No.20629626
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Literalbros can you help me out a bit. Is the literal translation of "A" = "bull"? Originally the symbol means bull so that must be the literal translation, anything else is a stupid metaphoric trick by those egghead demonrats. Don't use the letter a unless you mean a male domesticated cow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 22:24:14 2022 No.20629654 File: 34 KB, 476x476, ;_;.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20626273 But... why would he do that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 23:24:54 2022 No.20629855 File: 88 KB, 640x853, PrecessionOfSimulacra.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20629626 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 23:43:36 2022 No.20629932 babu babu

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 01:20:53 2022 No.20630287 >>20628051 Ywnbam

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 01:26:46 2022 No.20630306 File: 783 KB, 1280x720, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] miko baby

Anonymous Tue Jul 5 02:12:34 2022 No.20630488

>>20626366
Is this literally all because YHWH told Moses to go out and break the idols of every nation? It seems like Jewish politics, culture, criticism is entirely oriented around that commandment. I don't see how drawing a line between that and their historical and present activity is schizophrenic at all

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 02:25:18 2022 No.20630536 File: 1.92 MB, 1792x1080, vlcsnap-2022-05-31-19h45m55s069.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Translators should stick to their jobs of translating. Not making "cool" expression or words. Good translations should be as literal as possible.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 08:16:31 2022 No.20631775 >>20626273 Good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 08:25:25 2022 No.20631808 >>20626366 >second post of a thread >muh joos jesus christ will you people fuck off already, this is just boring at this point

Anonymous Tue Jul 5 08:27:27 2022 No.20631824

>>20630536
>The translator must never be frightened of the word ‘paraphrase’; it is a bogey of the half-educated. As I have already tried to point out, it is almost impossible to translate a sentence without paraphrasing; it is a paraphrase when you translate 'Comment vous portez-vous?’ by ‘How are you?

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