Self-improvement is pointless suffering

[Anonymous No.20610778]

>no one gives two fucks about your successes
>no one will remember you after you are dead and even if they do, you are dead anyway and why does people remembering you mean something
>everything you achieve will be lost once you soon die
>for time reference 3 years have passed since covid, you probably have another 10x3 years before you are old, fragile, weak and too scared to do anything anyways
>if self-improvement was fun or felt good then it would have been seen as leisure activities, not a chore that people need to be motivated for
People that are tryharding self-improvers are ultimately doing it to get 'good boy' points by society, which is the opposite of being free.
It's so pathetic when I see some 32 year old balding normalfaggot pretend-play being a real man by working on his stupid car or whatever.

>inb4 what does this have to do with /lit/
The myth of Sisyphus Albert Camus

[Anonymous No.20610782]

im self improving for the benefit of my future wife, children and anyone else who wants to take part in my life

[OP No.20610783]

>>20610782
"People that are tryharding self-improvers are ultimately doing it to get 'good boy' points by society, which is the opposite of being free"

[Anonymous No.20610785]

one must imagine Sisyphus coping

[OP No.20610790]

>>20610785
hahahahahhahahah
how come i've never read this before

[Anonymous No.20610792]

>>20610783
I don't want "good boy" points I want to create a place in this world for the ones I care for. It doesn't matter whether anyone sees it or not.

[Anonymous No.20610796]

>>20610778
It's my fucking life and I get to do whatever I want with it. If you need the approval of others to better yourself as a human being you might as well give up. No one lives your life for you.

[OP No.20610797]

>>20610792
you might as well put your dick in a cuckold cage and chain your neck to your master (wife)

[Anonymous No.20610800]

Self improvement increases your quality of life

[OP No.20610805]

>>20610800
Then why studies after studies conclusively prove that the happiest people are always some mud-dwelling naked people that dance around all day, eat fruit and smoke weed?

[Anonymous No.20610808]

>>20610797
Gibberish from a diseased mind.

[OP No.20610813]

>>20610800
>>20610805
I was referring to primitive societies that do nothing but the aforementioned.
>>20610808

[Anonymous No.20610819]

>>20610805
Because ignorance is bliss. They don't need studies to show them some scientific result that they are happy.
You don't read, you're blissful; you read, you seek self actualization and some idea of a higher happiness.
Its that simple

[Anonymous No.20610829]

>>20610778
Based.

ImPROOOVing is just the flip-side of the vidya and porn coin: both facets of the one goal of governmental suppression of possible dissidents/malcontents.

Those you can't halt by despair distract with hope.

[Anonymous No.20610835]

>>20610805
You are welcome to live like one of those people my friend, although i seriously doubt you will. Besides, self improvement does not always mean that you have to read 7 books in 7 days or whatever else the latest youtube grifter is peddling this week. For example working not only makes you look good which makes people respond to you better but it makes you physically better. It makes your body and mind work better and feel better

[OP No.20610844]

>>20610829
infinitely wise and based
>>20610819
You are just robbed of god by science and are running around scared of death, trying to escape the impending doom that slowly but surely will reach you. when animals are trapped, most fret around and run anxiously trying to somehow save their life, that's what you look like to me.
>but having family and friends will make me food good
yes. those are basic human needs. my point is you can have those without being a try-harding improooover. just keep a job and thats it, women are after your money anyways (unless you are extremely good looking)

[OP No.20610855]

>>20610835
>tHeN wHy dOnT yOu LiVe iN tHe WiLd
if my family and friends would agree then this will be a dream come true but unfortunately they prefer to wageslave their life away to have a house and a car that they dont have the time to enjoy. jews are rich tho so at least someone benefits from your virtues.

[Anonymous No.20610858]

>>20610844
Doomerism is a cancer that keeps spreading on young impressionable children like yourself. How unfortunate it must be to live in a meme, how grim it must be to be you

[Anonymous No.20610859]

Because it makes you feel better overall and gives you something to live for

[Anonymous No.20610860]

>>20610778
I genuinely don't get why the kind of sloppy thinking on which your argument is based is so widespread. Why does something only have value if it persists for eternity?

If I'm able to expand my capacities for action and perception, and can therefore live a more interesting and engaged life, why would I weigh the immediate reward of my lived experience as less important than something that I will by definition never experience? If I had the option of (1) spending a day reading a novel or (2) ending my life in order to become encased in a block of everlasting carbonite, are you genuinely saying that I should value the second option because it produces a longer-lasting effect?

Almost everyone has experienced what it's like to feel engaged and powerful, and everyone's also had an experience of feeling weak and disconnected. I think it's a safe bet that everyone would prefer the former, regardless of whether the experience is temporary or eternal.

Can you, OP, please give me an explanation for why the temporary nature of my experiences means that they should have no value for me?

[OP No.20610865]

>>20610858
i am 28 years old and have a mensa confirmed iq of 125. i've been a doomer the day i realized that i am going to die someday. you figure out how much later the doomer meme was created.

[Anonymous No.20610867]

Why is cope bad? Why do you value happiness above all else?

[OP No.20610886]

>>20610859
it doesn't make you feel better if you don't care about other's opinion of you
>>20610860
>Why does something only have value if it persists for eternity?
Because by the time that I am finished building a good life I'll be too old to enjoy or not have enough of a time to enjoy to make it worth the suffering of building it
>If I'm able to expand my capacities for action and perception, and can therefore live a more interesting and engaged life
Immediately you are wrong.
Just because you can life/run/jump more doesn't mean that your life will be more interesting or engaging. In fact, it is obvious that if you cage yourself into a self-improving paradigm then your life is infinitely less interesting.

[Anonymous No.20610888]

>>20610865
>125

lmao

[OP No.20610897]

>>20610888
Yes, 125 iq result not on a meme online test is really better than 95% of the human population. It's also plenty enough to enable someone to actually think about matters and approach questions from different angles at the same time

[Anonymous No.20610916]

>>20610860
>im not op
nobody or almost nobody have this "down to earth" aproximation where everything you do is just temporary and thats right. i dont know why it is, but knowing that all you do is ultimate meaningless, or put it in other way, everything you do is ultimate forgettable, knowing this its painful.
people who dont see it are just dishonest or kicked out introspecion of their life long time ago.
coping as defensive mechanism really exists.

[Anonymous No.20610925]

>>20610916
>everyone who isnt depressed about dying is coping
Thats just your opinion man, you can be perfectly content with knowing that you'll only be remembered by your children qmand grandchildren

[Anonymous No.20610928]

>>20610886
So you're making an empirical argument that it's practically impossible to improve one's capacity to enjoy, appreciate and engage with life. Which is bonkers.

When I sleep well and exercise and don't have the stress of work problems on Monday hanging over me, my mind works better and something like reading becomes way more evocative and interesting - to name one micro example.

[Anonymous No.20610931]

>>20610778
>>20610783
>>20610797
>>20610805
>>20610813
>>20610844
Omega cringe

>>20610782
>>20610796
>>20610808
Supreme Based

I will not read the rest of your garbage thread. Bye.

[Anonymous No.20610934]

your point seems to be that there's a bare minimum you can do and still be satisfied, but the point of self-improvement is just that there's better you can do and greater satisfaction usually if you delay gratification.

also
>no one gives two fucks about your successes
>people that are tryharding are doing it to get good boy points

that contradicts.

[Anonymous No.20610937]

you dont get it bro jeff bezos, mark zuckerberg and bill gates all used to wake up at 4am, took ice cold showers, drank 6oz of green juice every day and went to the gym 5 times a week
and im gonna be like them

[OP No.20610941]

>>20610928
>life is not suffering
this is absurd. i know i am appealing to authority here but one has to remember that every single prophet, wise man, intellectual and philosopher has always said that life is suffering. it has echoed throughout the millenias and still does today.
life
is
suffering
read all you want, try to better yourself all you want, the pendulum will still strike between boredom and pain. you will then, finally, die.

[Anonymous No.20610946]

>>20610937
Your mind is broken from tik tok motivational videos. Get off the internet, not everyone trying to better their life is a hustler entrepreneur sigma male trillionaire mindset dude

[OP No.20610950]

>>20610931
no one cares about you and no one ever will
>>20610934
the good boy points come from the voice in their head
>>20610937
exactly. im not even mentioned your jewish overlords for whom you go to wageslave only so that your goy fat wife will be able to spend your hard earned money to make those jews even richer, while your son is fed tranny propaganda
but hey, maybe if you try even harder its going to get better!

[Anonymous No.20610953]

>>20610946
this is the only website im addicted to
>>20610950
meds

[Anonymous No.20610958]

>>20610778
fuck it, was gonna read and start no fap, zased op imma gho fap to twinks and sleep gn niggers

[OP No.20610959]

>>20610953
>meds
you agreed with me and i agreed with you

[Anonymous No.20610962]

>>20610953
>this is the only website im addicted to
Yeah, even worse. Take a break every now and then

[Anonymous No.20610977]

>>20610959
yeah but what on earth do jews have to do with it
>>20610962
what does self improvement even means? its as tangible as a fart, you can adjudicate whatever you want to it

[OP No.20610981]

>>20610977
>what do jews have to do with it
well, they do tend to own nearly everything but nvm

[Anonymous No.20610982]

OP is the literal, physical embodiment of Nietzsche's last man. It's almost amazing.

If you ever had trouble with understanding the concept, this is it, gentlemen of /lit/. You ned to look no further, you simply have to take a read at OP's post and his pathetic mentality.

[Anonymous No.20610996]

>>20610950
>the good boy points come from the voice in their head

Oh, I guess you meant they're mistaken to think they'll get social status based on their idea of successes. That can be true, sure, but it doesn't change the obvious fact there's an actual social hierarchy you can improve your position in.

[Anonymous No.20611005]

>>20610996
I don't think that they will be mistaken to think they'll get social status, let's assume they most certainly will. Then they improve and live their life for social status, all I am trying to say here. People who claim they do self-improvement "for themselves" are as self-aware as a tree.

[Anonymous No.20611009]

>>20610941
I'm not going to actively repress and ignore the aspects of my life that go beyond boredom and pain just because I've been seduced by a meaningless abstraction like 'life is suffering'. Why on earth would I?

>every single prophet, wise man, intellectual and philosopher has always said that life is suffering
You have just presented a great example of the potential benefits of self-improvement. Try expanding your horizons and reading some Deleuze.

[OP No.20611012]

>>20610982
>implying that goy-slaving can be proven to be stemming from self-actualized ethos
one can act out of self-actualized motives by actively choosing not to participate in pointless struggle
>hehehe he is the antithetis of the perfect man by Nietzsche
i am also the only sane man according to schopenheuer

[OP No.20611018]

>>20611009
>Why on earth would I?
Because you are only going to be even more miserable then you would have been if you denied the will to live. You'll get it on your death bed, don't worry.

[Anonymous No.20611041]

>>20610925
i didnt say dying, i say that everything you do is forgettable.
you dont even understand it if you think your children and grandchildren will remember you.
that is just a version of coping in itself.

[Anonymous No.20611059]

>>20610778
>if self-improvement was fun or felt good then it would have been seen as leisure activities, not a chore that people need to be motivated for

giving up on life is a positive action, you are yet to learn and fear true nihilism, you pretentious teenage faggot.

[Anonymous No.20611060]

>>20610778
Yeah you're such a rebel telling people to stop self-improving

Shut the hell up next time

[Anonymous No.20611107]

>>20611018
I've spent a couple of years feeling totally out-of-it and hopeless and not really doing anything, and I'd much rather be in the position that I'm in now. If you're saying that during those years of lying around doing nothing I was less miserable than today, that's a very counter-intuitive argument and I feel like you should justify it with something more substantial than 'You'll get it on your death bed.'

[Anonymous No.20611210]

>>20611009
>life that go beyond boredom and pain.
boredom and pain are the lash behind all the "positive" actions you take. there is just impossible to go beyond boredom or pain. unless you believe in some metaphysical realm.
if you want your little gems of leisure and feel-good things in your life is ok, i guess.

[Anonymous No.20611238]

>>20610844
Cringe take, life is as meaningless as you make it. Science didn't kill God, you did. The idea of God will always remain until we figure out what the fuck life and meaning is, it never once diminished the idea that life is suffering, our meaning is fleeting, or what the hell happens after death. No one finds comfort in the idea that life returns to nothing, with the exceptions of mass murderers or degenerates, even then they probably don't seek salvation.
Its not about running around finding meaning in life, because face it, we all die and we probably will never reach enlightenment or whatever the hell meaning might be. We improve for ourselves because we have one life, we improve because it's the only thing we can do. Sure you can laze around, sure a family sounds nice, but what about you. You reach the end of life, what have you done to yourself that makes you proud?

[Anonymous No.20611240]

>>20610888
If you have an IQ of 125 then why are you such an impotent faggot?

[Anonymous No.20611246]

>>20611210
I'm not talking about leisure and feel-good things. A relationship is meaningful even when it doesn't feel good - it's a sadness I would much prefer to the sadness of sitting around doing nothing.

Like OP, you're failing to explain why I should elevate some aspects of my life over the ones I actually care about. Even if boredom and pain act as a cause for an experience, it takes metaphysics to say that that experience is 'essentially' boredom and pain in its secret Platonic heart, wherever that's to be found.

If boredom induces me to go to a museum, and I see a Babylonian clay tablet, then -- again, as OP failed to explain -- why should I actively repress and ignore the intensity of seeing that cool tablet in favour of focusing on the feeling of boredom earlier that day? Please explain.

[Anonymous No.20611274]

>>20610865
125 isn’t that impressive dude.

[Anonymous No.20611289]

>>20611246
you dont have to do nothing. you are aware enough of it, i think. you decide to focus in the cool babylonian clay tablet as a cool experience not as a temporary cool and ultimate meaningless experience. its in yourself. its ok.
you decide in what tone your life gonna be. your tone is voluntarily short-sighted. you never gonna do the juxtaposition between why the clay tablet make you feel good and why is just something with no real revelation so there is really no point. its your will.
anyway i dont want to make a praise to pain. pain is shit, its in what everything ends ( i think that is unavoidable) but is still shit.

[Anonymous No.20611297]

>>20610782
>im self improving for the benefit of my future wife, children and anyone else who wants to take part in my life

[Anonymous No.20611322]

>>20610778
If you are 'suffering' from your 'self-improvement', you're doing it wrong. It should be mild enough that you continue to do it long term, and it should be challenging enough that you get a continual sense of fulfillment from it. Also it should become second nature. On this point read Aristotle's ethics. Also it shouldn't be done for base material and social reasons.

[Anonymous No.20611379]

>>20610778
If self-improvement is so pointless, why don't you just kill yourself then?
You're not really nihilistic; you're just in love with the idea of it because you think it makes you look cool; because all "nihilists" are narcissistic, insecure losers who peaked in high school.

[Anonymous No.20611388]

>>20611379
Why kill yourself when jerking off, browsing the internet all day and getting drunk is so much fun?

[Anonymous No.20611409]

>>20611379
there is plenty of people killing themselves because this, you are already refuted, dont be a retard. its not like they gonna come from the grave to talk to you about it.

[Anonymous No.20611416]

>>20610778
>>20610782
I always wanted to die. Had you asked me only a little more than a year ago, I would have been like OP - I spent my days lazing about in my parents home, and although I worked and studied, I did both half assedly, drinking and smoking weed on a near daily basis. I gained 40 pounds of fat from eating junk food at night since the start of covid. I was intent on self destruction, consciously or not. I hated myself and the idea of living, and was only in a sort of standby mode, waiting for things to collapse around me so I could justify an heroing.

I even had the method picked out - there was a part of town close to the office where I worked where junkies and alcoholics would hang all day long. I intended to, when I decided to punch out permanently, buy as much random shit from the junkies as possible so I could go on a small binge over a couple of weeks, finally ending it with a heroin overdose.

But then, I came into contact with a sweet girl who for some strange reason was very into me. By some strange means, I was compelled to entertain her and take her out on dates and the like. Since we were both from a religious background, we never even kissed, but spent some time getting to know each other. Only a few months after our first meeting, we got her parents' blessing, and got married.

Now we have been married for a year, and I find myself attached more to her than to life itself. I can not enjoy anything if it is not with her, and she wants nothing but to please me and be happy together. She offers me a reason to live, and a promise of a worthy life as well. She offers a promise of children - and I had sworn never to procreate, as my family taught me our blood is poison.

I can not imagine saying no to her gifts to me, and I can not imagine leaving them behind willingly. I am now convinced that all of us young men - the types who post things like OP, and who hang around in forums like this - are simply a good woman away from becoming good and healthy men. Even those who are convinced they are broken, as I was convinced, can be mended by a sweet smile and soft, warm flesh and a pair of spread legs.

I no longer want to die, but to live.

[Anonymous No.20611421]

>>20611409
Why are you still talking to me? You're wasting time before your death. Tick tock tick tock. Go fuck a hooker or something; you're so cool!

[Anonymous No.20611427]

>>20611388
Sounds like you're using nihilism as an excuse to continue being a useless piece of shit

[Anonymous No.20611447]

>>20611421
>you kill yourself because you want to be cool
who is the one with the high school mindset here?.

[Anonymous No.20611465]

>>20611447
It's still you. Get a job

[Anonymous No.20611475]

>>20611427
being useless is a point of pride. lol you want to be used bitch

[Anonymous No.20611489]

>>20611465
>people in this day at age still feeling irrationally confronted and uncomfortable with the idea of suicide.

[Anonymous No.20611493]

>>20610886
>materialist tries metaphysics
>goes wrong
re-think your thoughts nigga

[Anonymous No.20611499]

>>20611416
Cringe wifeguy, that's normal when you first fall in love.

[Anonymous No.20611507]

>>20611499
It's also normal to be cringe when you first fall in love.

[Anonymous No.20611517]

>>20611475
So essentially, you've yourself on a slow road to becoming an alcoholic bum; a complete dredge who will die from an O.D while lying face-first in his own vomit, and you're "proud" of that? That's your goal? To become a complete loser in society, who doesn't even have the balls to change his circumstances.
You will think your'e in control of your life, then you'll become broke; and the only people "using" you, will be the men who pay you to suck their dick.
You are a joke. Society laughs at bums and losers.
You may think it's "cool" to live that sort of lifestyle, but when you're choking on your own vomit, guess what; you'll fear fear, regret and panic set-in as tears stream down your eyes as you come to the realisation that no-one will be at your funeral

[Anonymous No.20611524]

>>20611489
I don't want to kill myself because I like life.
You don't want to kill yourself... Because?

[Anonymous No.20611549]

>>20611524
i dont want to kill myself im only saying that plenty of people refuted your "if you dont kill yourself all you are saying is shit". plenty of people already kill themselves because a void they feel inside and still you are gonna say they are narcissistic insecure losers or whatever. you are probably scared of suicide for a reason. probably because it erode your own vision of life as a neverending happiness or force or something like that.

[Anonymous No.20611649]

>>20610778
Please change this mindset, it will kill you from the inside. Just self assess and stop coping, you will realize that self improvement is to build discipline, not to be perceived at better. And how can anyone expect to hold any virtue if they cannot control themselves?

[Anonymous No.20611717]

>>20611507
>>20611416
based

[Anonymous No.20611935]

>>20611416
Anon I hate to break it to you but a storm is coming. I feel bad about what is going to happen to you.

[Anonymous No.20612012]

>>20610778
>People that are tryharding self-improvers are ultimately doing it to get 'good boy' points by society,
You're begging the question.

[Anonymous No.20612032]

>>20611935
Yeah he's fucked. Let him enjoy it while he can. As cliche as it sounds its better to have love and lost than not loved at all

[Anonymous No.20612074]

>>20610778
I used to be so unhealthy that I would get shooting pains when walking around the house. I said dumb bullshit like this years ago as a cope whilst deep down being fully recognisant that I was fooling myself and kicking the can down the road. Having a parents that would tolerate me being almost twice the average weight when I was 8 didn’t help but at the end of the day the fact of the matter was that I was fooling myself into accepting a shit situation.

>”everything you achieve will be lost once you soon die” imagine thinking that’s not an excuse to pursue eudaemonia and virtue.

Get a hobby and touch grass anon.

[Anonymous No.20612081]

>>20612074
*imagine thinking that’s an excuse

[Anonymous No.20612097]

>>20610805
Because they are not trapped in our comfort society. Toning down use of media and getting outdoor exercise comes natural to them, for us it is something we have reach with self-improvement.

[Anonymous No.20612121]

Why do you care so much what others think about you OP? Every argument you have made stems from your own insecurities of social validity
You want to run around naked and pick fruits off trees? Do that then you faggot live your fantasy before making a thread

[Anonymous No.20612131]

>>20610778
You don’t understand what self improvement is. Yeah suffering for something that doesn’t help you is pointless, but if by “self improvement” is directly improving your emotions, your thinking, your life then it is good. And yes this is possible.

[Anonymous No.20612150]

>>20611517
>You may think it's "cool" to live that sort of lifestyle, but when you're choking on your own vomit, guess what; you'll fear fear, regret an
sheeps cope lmao

[Anonymous No.20612159]

>>20610778
Did you get lost on your way to /r9k/ little fell? Run along now.

[Anonymous No.20612169]

>>20610778
Aren't you cute? Little fella got lost on his way to /r9k/. Have fun with your nihilism champ.

[Anonymous No.20612190]

>>20612169

[Anonymous No.20612226]

>>20610778
yes, believe it. There will be less competitors out there

[Anonymous No.20612232]

If you never experienced the difference between being “up” and “down” then talk of self-improvement is lost. Self-improvement can bring you lower too, the term is usually applied to just making money or external changes I feel, but if you ever hit a low point in your life then you know from experience that there is a difference between up and down, although being down has its own benefits

[Anonymous No.20612257]

>>20610778
its really not that deep OP
doing stuff that is proven to provide a sense of wellbeing (sustainable release of happy chemicals) will make the experience of life better regardless of whether someone will remember it after you die
eating well, sleeping well, exercise, socializing etc

[Anonymous No.20612370]

>>20611238
shut up bitch
your pride is a sin
self improvement for its own sake is gay and it always will be

[Anonymous No.20612570]

>>20610778
>no one gives two fucks about your successes
You don't give a fuck. That's your problem. You don't value anything so you make shitty threads on /lit/ coping with your misery and failure

[Anonymous No.20612745]

>>20610778
You’re right. Now serve God.

[Anonymous No.20612825]

OP is literally the Underground Man.

[Anonymous No.20612831]

Did you just read Benatar anon?