self published Amazon "writers" absolutely BTFO

[Anonymous No.20586086]

self published Amazon "writers" absolutely BTFO

[Anonymous No.20586091]

>>20586086
Why not just pirate books like a normal person?

[Anonymous No.20586132]

>>20586091
Real normies consider piracy immoral (or they just don't know how to do it), whereas something like this is just a perfectly valid loophole to be exploited

[Anonymous No.20586141]

>>20586091
not everything (esp. self-pubbed shit) is available

[Anonymous No.20586156]

>>20586086
Doing this to BAP so he goes bankrupt

[Anonymous No.20586157]

>>20586086
Why can you return an e book that’s retarded. Like what does it arrive damaged when you download it?

[Anonymous No.20586160]

>>20586156
You’re doing god’s work anon

[Anonymous No.20586169]

>>20586132
How is anti-piracy rhetoric and conditioning so effective on normies

[Anonymous No.20586172]

>>20586091
Most zoomers don't know how to pirate and they have no intention of learning since they have no familiarity with computers.

[Anonymous No.20586185]

>>20586172
There was an article complaining that zoomers can't understand file directories because they mostly use smartphones

[Anonymous No.20586195]

>>20586172
I'm a broke zoomer and I figured out how to pirate on 2010 YouTube

[Anonymous No.20586247]

>>20586185

I remember that article. The complaint was that search algorithms have gotten so fast that the main way zoomers interact with their computer, or at least files on their computer, is to just give it a memorable name and then use a global search to find it every time. As a 'zoomer' myself I can confirm, that's how I do it. My directorys are a mess, I just have a rigorous system of naming files so I can consistently find them later. Obviously I'm not retarded, I know how filesystems work I just find them less convenient, especially since like a lot of people my age I accumulate hundreds of gigs of files.

Despite that, pirating books is easy as shit. Libgen is common knowledge to anybody who has been around a college in the past 5 years. The kind of computer illiteracy endemic in my generation isn't the problem in this case, I really think it's something else. Normies take the rules seriously even when they're patently nonsensical and contradictory — I think that even makes it better for them. Finding a loophole in the rules is a kind of release for these people.

[Anonymous No.20586267]

Jump into the welfare program and you can write 24/7.

[Anonymous No.20586270]

>>20586172
this. technology use is at an all time high and the masses can't do anything more complicated than clicking links

[Anonymous No.20586275]

>>20586169
My mom once freaked out when she caught me torrenting anime when I was 15 and told me I was putting our whole family at risk

[Anonymous No.20586278]

>>20586169
>How is anti-piracy rhetoric and conditioning so effective on normies

They have a moral compass?

[Anonymous No.20586282]

>>20586169
People would rather listen to corporations on how to act rather than themselves

[Anonymous No.20586287]

>>20586275
you did, but torrenting was not the problem here

[Anonymous No.20586293]

>>20586091
normalfags are complete retards, they still use websites like fucking 123movies and the like to stream films and any time they find an opportunity to tell somebody else about it they act as if they're in on some grand secret. it's unfathomable but they think they're actually getting something good when they do it

[Anonymous No.20586304]

If you don't give them an option to read your book for free, this is what happens.

[Anonymous No.20586336]

>>20586293
What's wrong with 123movies? Torrenting takes to long for movie's I don't want to keep

[Anonymous No.20586342]

>>20586278
i have one of those and it points to my dick

[Anonymous No.20586343]

>>20586293
I use 123movies and websites like that. You can find any movie or tv show in 1080p with subtitles available. What's the problem?

[Anonymous No.20586348]

>>20586278
You will own nothing and you will be happy.

[Anonymous No.20586354]

>>20586293
>>20586275
>>20586091
I'm a teacher and one of our book sections has a topic on music piracy.
Stories about poor artists going bankrupt because little Tim downloaded .mp3s instead of buying the album.
Some interview with Beyonce or other shitty mainstream singer crying about debts because bad pirates don't want to buy their shit.

Because it's not like they earn only 1% of album sales and the rest goes to producers etc, it's not like their 99.99% revenue comes from concerts, lmao

[Anonymous No.20586359]

>>20586086
not a day goes by without fuelling my rage for zoomers and this zoomer world. zoomer this, zoomer that. you would think that by now Millenials were in charge of things and making the earth less of a boomerfest, but absolutly fucking not. the market peddles to the zoomer's demand, the industry follows the zoomer's fetish. zoomers reign the world as a demographic solely via their adapted zoomer behavior in this disgusting zoomer world. zoomers could be here right now and it fucking disturbs me.

[Anonymous No.20586364]

>>20586169
But it's not? Plenty of normies share passwords for streaming services.

[Anonymous No.20586370]

>>20586364
They don't think that counts

[Anonymous No.20586379]

>>20586086
The entitlement of musicians and writers is unbelievable. Unless you're drake, Beyonce, rupi Kaur, jk Rowling Stephen King, etc. NOBODY CARES. very few people in the world are curious about the arts. selling books or ebooks was always a terrible business model when compared to Coca Cola or something.

If you truly cared about the medium you wouldn't be bitching about money

[Anonymous No.20586391]

>>20586379
Most people need to pay rent and gas and electricity and, well, food. It used to easier because you didn't need to pay 1000 bucks for one room.

[Anonymous No.20586401]

>>20586379
>wanting to sell your product for more than literal 0$ is entitlement and bitching
try taking their perspective for once. a well-written novel requires about 500+ work hours.

[Anonymous No.20586403]

>>20586379
They shouldn't be publishing on amazon in the first place. You need to be a fucking retard if you publish your shit on amazon. It means that you're not good enough for normal traditional publishing. Self publishing is only worth if you're popular and it'll make you more money.
99.90% self published authors are just retards who couldn't make it but still want to be le writers

[Anonymous No.20586406]

>>20586401
a well-written novel isn't sold on amazon by debut writers
a well-written novel is sent to an actual publishing house

[Anonymous No.20586413]

>>20586403
>normal traditional publishing
With the steaming piles of shit that you can find for sale in book stores nowadays I wouldn't really consider the publishers as capable judges of quality

[Anonymous No.20586416]

>>20586403
>>20586406
going tradpub has many downsides, even if you manage to pass the gatekeepers who you should see with your own two eyes.

[Anonymous No.20586420]

>>20586364
That's just another legal loophole

[Anonymous No.20586428]

>>20586413
you'd sooner find a good debut book on shelves after being accepted and professionally edited than a good debut book on amazon, almost all of them is random shit written by a no name 20 yo Julie who doesn't even read books

[Anonymous No.20586440]

>>20586091
Because I'm not a poorfag.

[Anonymous No.20586466]

>>20586428
don't argue in bad faith, anon. it's easy to filter the trash on amazon and dig for gold. I've found a dozen good indie books.

[Anonymous No.20586469]

>>20586428
Alright, you got me there, I agree. I'm just saying that those same professional publishers are also green-lighting books that are at the same level as your average amazon self-publishers

[Anonymous No.20586478]

>>20586354
Musicians traditionally made their money by touring.
Downloaded music serves as advertising for their live performances.

[Anonymous No.20586481]

4chan is fascinating to me because in general the posters are stuck in a time warp yet insist they have their fingers on the pulse of online society.

[Anonymous No.20586513]

>>20586478
With current gas, vehicle rental, food, and lodging prices, alot of musicians, even well-established ones, are losing money on tours right now. And this is on top of being ripped off by streaming

[Anonymous No.20586527]

>>20586478
>traditionally
no. there was fair money for the artists in records during vynil times. then came a row of scams including advances (loans to invest for the artist), streaming (no income for the artist), 360 deals (payment cuts on every kind of income). this is why you may find more and more indie music and selfproduced local bands/singers/rappers. expect more indie art to come.

[Anonymous No.20586547]

>>20586527
Advances are almost as old as recorded music. If you read about the rockstars of the 60s and 70s, they were mostly living in borrowed money in their early years. The difference is that back in the day people would have to buy the record, so it was easier to recoup the advance

[Anonymous No.20586561]

>>20586466
Name them then

[Anonymous No.20586563]

>>20586354
What about me buying only used records? They get zero money from that too, but it's not 'piracy'.
I only support my local musicians anyway, I get season passes to the local orchestra and the opera house. That and my modest used record collection is all I need.

[Anonymous No.20586565]

>>20586481
>do you even know what the hep cats on tiktok are doing
No, now get in the chamber

[Anonymous No.20586575]

>>20586561
another time, anon, in a thread which will reek less of boiled blood

[Anonymous No.20587198]

>>20586513
>>20586527
So, it's better for a musician to go the indie/self-produced route...
>>20586403
>>20586406
...but if a writer does that, it's cringe?

[Anonymous No.20587301]

>>20586275
I mentioned to my grandmother that I was banned from Reddit once and she thought it meant the FBI had caught me doing something illegal. I don't know if telling the whores on r/selfie to post tits counts as illegal, but I'm pretty sure it's not prison-tier harassment

[Anonymous No.20587325]

>>20586336
>virgin 123movies
>chad fmovies

[Anonymous No.20587431]

>>20587301
>I mentioned to my grandmother that I was banned from Reddit
This is the most baffling part of this post

[Anonymous No.20587586]

>>20586086
These fucking tiktok faggots are going to force Amazon to close the return book mechanism that I've used to get hundreds of books. Little cunts. Why can't people just keep things to themselves? Zoomers and their need for attention...

[Anonymous No.20587822]

>>20586086
It's literally this frogpost but real

[Anonymous No.20587865]

>>20586391
Work

[Anonymous No.20587873]

>>20586247
>Normies take the rules seriously even when they're patently nonsensical and contradictory — I think that even makes it better for them. Finding a loophole in the rules is a kind of release for these people.

Reminds me of where I live, New Zealand. Our culture used to be very macho, but it's been shown to be just a charade - we're purely a strongly peer pressure based society.

Without going full /pol/, I think the sociology behind the adoption of masks here is the perfect example of this. We got rid of covid until omicron, and nobody wore masks at all even while the first wave was eliminated. Government introduced mask rules - and people *slowly* adopted them (the fact it's slow is key - showing that it's an unfamiliarity with society's rule, not out of genuine concern). The laws for where you had to wear one and didn't need to were inconsistent. What did people do - consistently use it where it made logical sense? No, they just followed the rule to the letter.

Now the mandate has been ruled back, but people are acclimatized to that culture now. They still put on their masks as they enter a doorway with nobody on the other side, and take it off when they sit down. When there wasn't a mask mandate in place they wouldn't wear them - even if it was public and crammed. Now the rules over, people still feel dirty not wearing one when they're standing in a line in retail.

[Anonymous No.20587875]

>>20586091
Libgen mustard race, also based mega

[Anonymous No.20587878]

shows that im getting old. i didnt know anti-piracy was a thing among normies now

I fucking remember when everybody at school used limewire. Wtf.

[Anonymous No.20587884]

>>20587878
>tfw copykikes won

[Anonymous No.20587885]

>>20586275
A child who watches anime is always a risk to the family's honor.

[Anonymous No.20587890]

>>20586287
kek thank you anon

[Anonymous No.20587949]

>>20586247
>As a 'zoomer' myself
This is you.

[Anonymous No.20587954]

>>20586293
I only use 123movies when I want to watch comfy kino on my phone on bed.

[Anonymous No.20587960]

>>20586359
Zoomers are cringe, but millenials are likely the worst generation to ever walk the earth, so it's good they were skipped.

[Anonymous No.20587980]

>>20587873
>Without going full /pol/
Faggot. You wither go all the way or you go to reddit.

[Anonymous No.20587995]

>>20587980
/pol/'s gotten worse and dumbed down over the years, and it was already pretty dumb. Sorry you're a retarded newfag 2016 boomer.

[Anonymous No.20588016]

>>20587949
Are they snorting drugs? DIY piercings?

[Anonymous No.20588070]

>>20586287
Keked

[Anonymous No.20588081]

>>20588016
Looks like the one guy got kicked in the face

[Anonymous No.20588166]

>>20587198
It’s better for a writer financially to self publish but the standards are lower so a lot of self published books are dog shit

[Anonymous No.20588188]

>>20586406
>absolutism
This is how you know you're a /lit/ pseud.

[Anonymous No.20588194]

I pirate because I’m a Marxist and fuck crapitalism

[Anonymous No.20588204]

>>20586091
I dont read on a screen lol

[Anonymous No.20588298]

>>20588194
I pirate because libraries don't carry much anymore.
Piracy is the new library.
If I like something, I'll buy a copy.
If I really like something, I'll buy a new copy.

[Anonymous No.20588320]

>>20586086
I feel kind of sorry for her. Makes me want to get one of her books.

[Anonymous No.20588323]

>>20586287
Quality

[Anonymous No.20588435]

>>20588016
Looks like they're getting rolled.

[Anonymous No.20588510]

>>20586336
>>20586343
Oh no no no. Do you niggas know what a BIT RATE is???? Sure if you want to watch "1080p" dogshit at 500kb/s you can stream from websites.
Clearly you lot are plebs if you don't know how to stream your torrents as they download.

[Anonymous No.20588526]

>>20588510
Sounds like a lot of extra work for less convenience

[Anonymous No.20588539]

>>20588320
And return it right?

[Anonymous No.20588547]

>>20586169
Fundamentally a change should have taken place when virtual media became a thing in which the cost of all media spiralled down into cents on the dollar, reflecting the fact that you can mass produce it infinitely and in effect, infinite copies exist, and thus each individual copy is effectively worthless and everyone should be allowed to download it for the pittance that the bandwidth cost.

Unfortunately as with most intellectual property, the creators of the content aren't doing it to create content but so that they can continually milk profit from work done once and sit on their laurels, so you have to convince people that a digital copy of a game or a movie is worth $60 despite no longer even having the five-cent CD ROM, and then have them help enforce that on their friends and family. Simple as.


TL;DR content creators aren't unlike landlords - they want to make a single investment and continually suck money out of other people despite not contributing any continuous work.

[Anonymous No.20588644]

>>20586086
Actively losing money on a self-published novel is probably a sign that you don't have what it takes.

[Anonymous No.20588664]

>>20588016
Looks like Russia. Which means the guy filming is probably telling them to take out their nose rings or he'll beat them up for being gay? That would be my guess.

[Anonymous No.20588679]

>>20586156
that's a good idea. We should all do it to that Alligator guy too. You know the one.

[Anonymous No.20588703]

>>20586379
It always baffled me. If I had a choice to have the same readership as Stephen King but make zero money, or have a small readership and make some money, I'd pick the bigger audience over bigger sales.

[Anonymous No.20589083]

>>20588526
Its the same amount of work really. go to website, start torrent, stream as it downloads from the swarm.
The cool thing about P2P is that with a good swarm it can vastly outperform a single dedicated server for sharing content.

[Anonymous No.20589127]

>>20586379
This, if I ever wrote somethingI would be happy about people reading it, if you want money work a real job.

[Anonymous No.20590534]

>>20589083
desu i don't torrent simply because i can't do so over tor. and no, vpns are not anonymous.

[Anonymous No.20590545]

>>20586169
>normies
You answered yourself.

[Anonymous No.20590566]

>>20586379
it's very easy for you to show the kind of asshole you are on here. that is your only contribution to the arts

[Anonymous No.20590600]

>>20586278
If they had, they would pirate. Artificially creating scarcity is evil.

[Anonymous No.20590784]

>>20586416
>even if you manage to pass the gatekeepers who you should see with your own two eyes.
I wouldn't recommend it but if you're into liberal feminist jew women then feast your eyes
https://youtu.be/xDMnYpR8C-k
These are unironcally the people in the american publishing industry who rejected your manuscript

[Anonymous No.20590891]

>>20590784
Kek, could you imagine Marcus Aurelius or the likes being alive nowadays, writing their book and then try to publish them? I bet these faggots would reject their writings.

[Anonymous No.20590910]

>>20586481
Yeah man that 4chan guy sure has it all figured out. LOL man that guy sure does make good jokes!

[Anonymous No.20590965]

>>20590891
Imagine Dostoevsky. kek

[Anonymous No.20590987]

>>20590784
Almost every point is entirely subjective. Where is the diversity and representation in literary agents?

[Anonymous No.20590995]

>>20590965
Tolstoy and Dostoevsky would both be rejected by all these women

[Anonymous No.20591049]

>>20587431
Not really. Your grandmother could be the age of a standard mother and the person who raised you. You could get banned from reddit a few minutes earlier, go to the kitchen to eat something, and then, grandma asks what you've been up to, to which you respond you've been banned from reddit. Another possibility is that you could have shown your grandma something from reddit after you found something interesting or were asked to see what you were looking at. When you show the thing, you talk about the site, grandma is interested, and that's that, but a few months later, she asks about reddit. It's all pretty normal until you get to the part where you fuck your grandma, which is an optional step you don't have to take.

[Anonymous No.20591113]

>>20590965
His notes from underground would get BTFOd immediately lmao

[Anonymous No.20591125]

>>20586247
I don't think libgen is common knowledge at my university. It has been shared in class before, but I swear that I am the only student who pirates books in my classes. I see everyone with physical copies while I have a PDF on my computer.
t. a liberal arts student at a large public university, not a science student where the books are a fortune, but you're probably in the same boat.

[Anonymous No.20591142]

>>20586091
>Why not just pirate books
Because even though I don't have much money I want to support writers.
If you insist on being a selfish and immoral degenerate, that's on you.
If you're going to steal, don't steal from poor creative people.

[Anonymous No.20591151]

>>20590891
He was the emperor of the western world. Look at Obama’s book sales and compare the quality of the work.

[Anonymous No.20591152]

>>20586132
>>20586169
imagine being this young and edgy

>>20586247
I'd suggest that American college textbooks are a COMPLETELY different thing that a solo author writing fiction.

[Anonymous No.20591289]

>>20590784
This is depressing. Is there any hope, aside from selfpublishing?

Anons, what are your plans?

[Anonymous No.20591363]

>>20586091
So little people give a shit about these authors you can't even find their epubs online

[Anonymous No.20592191]

>>20590784
>15:27
>problematic representation in the manuscript
Almost all of them mentioned representation and diversity
>>20590987
>Where is the diversity and representation in literary agents
Oy vey goyim stop noticing, rules for thee but not for me
>>20591289
>Anons, what are your plans?
Write under a female pen name and just have your sister or mom or wife handle the public figure stuff.
Alternatively you can submit a manuscript with a facade of liberal propaganda which is what they want to hear but then the underlying message and morals have nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous No.20592195]

>>20586086
>write and publish shitty books
>get charged for it
based. server space isn't free, whore.

[Anonymous No.20592208]

>>20586379
This.
>even though i'm a midwit who pinches off literary goyslop every 3 months for a cheap get rich quick scheme and has nothing interesting to say and barely spellchecked it, i deserve instant millions and to be able to quit my job and live in a mansion in paris eating lobster the rest of my life, because i showed up

even good authors had to work day jobs and these whores think they deserve to make a living writing low effort chick-lit and /sffg/

[Anonymous No.20592210]

>>20588547
>in which the cost of all media spiralled down into cents on the dollar
Youtube, instagram, soundcloud, project gutenberg, pornhub.

[Anonymous No.20592213]

>>20591363
did you try searching for .pbuhs

[Anonymous No.20592228]

>>20587822
Prophetic post lmao

[Anonymous No.20592779]

>>20591142
There's no such thing as ethical consumption under globohomo. Just send the author some monero if you actually care that much.

[Anonymous No.20592801]

>>20591152
piracy is a moral obligation

[Anonymous No.20592805]

don't return ebooks you've read. which one of you guys is doing this

[Anonymous No.20592811]

>>20592805
teehee

[Anonymous No.20592855]

>>20586247
>Obviously I'm not retarded
>directorys
>filesystems
Stay in school, retard.

[Anonymous No.20592857]

>>20592805
I legitimately do not even know how to purchase e-books because I have simply always pirated.

[Anonymous No.20592902]

>>20586086
Lmao I literally “invented” this loophole and now a bunch of illiterate retard zoomers are going to fuck it up for everyone by fucking over their lame self published YA writers.

[Anonymous No.20592953]

>n00oooo i am le hecking starving artist
so am i but at least i admit i deserve to be poor because i cant get a real job because all i have is "creativity"

[Anonymous No.20593180]

>>20586086
Imagine selling your book on Amazon.

[Anonymous No.20594015]

>>20590534
Look at this pussy, it's like you don't want to impress the glowies with your fine taste in film.

[Anonymous No.20594027]

>>20586091
This.
Last time I had a job I bought everything I pirated.
Also what the hell are they returning it for? It's not like normies are doing anything with the money. They're not investing.

[Anonymous No.20594062]

>>20586185
the boomer has come home to roost

[Anonymous No.20594065]

>>20586267
already in one

[Anonymous No.20594068]

>>20594065
also wanted to say I have a bandcamp with my own music yet I pirate off bandcamp constantly

[Anonymous No.20594637]

>>20586086
At least they write, unlike /lit/.

[Anonymous No.20595829]

>>20586091
Nothing that isn't in the public domain already is worth reading anyway.

[Anonymous No.20596842]

>>20586132
>piracy immoral (or they just don't know how to do it), whereas something like this is just a perfectly valid loophole
It's amazing we're at a point where piracy is clearly a morally superior option.

[Anonymous No.20596848]

>>20586247
>I know how filesystems work I just find them less convenient, especially since like a lot of people my age I accumulate hundreds of gigs of files.
Your argument for filesystems being less "convenient" is that you have a vast amount of disorganized files. Are you actually retarded anon?

[Anonymous No.20597234]

>>20586086
the books in question

[Anonymous No.20597251]

>>20590600
How are creators supposed to benefit then?

[Anonymous No.20597264]

Information wants to be, in both senses of the word
The internet is being privatized, corporations are putting up paywalls to block off content.
Fuck gatekeepers, censorship is undemocratic and tyrannical.
Do your part and fight back by torrenting my fellow pirates
>>>/t/

[Anonymous No.20597270]

>>20593180
There, there. I'm sure you'll sell a copy someday.

[Anonymous No.20597627]

>>20597234
I don't know why I expected any different

[Anonymous No.20597637]

>>20591289
>anon, what are your plans?
Getting my masters in English so I can get into the publishing industry and have the connections to get my stuff published. Playing the long game

[Anonymous No.20597767]

>>20597234
who would pay for this? Ao3 and Wattpad are already free

[Anonymous No.20597848]

>>20586403
You're a fucking retard. Traditional publishing is one of the biggest scams out there.

[Anonymous No.20597880]

>>20586481
We don't insist that at all. We're very open about being out of touch and yearning for the halcyon days of 10-20 years ago

[Anonymous No.20597894]

>>20597848
>traditional writing is a scam
>self-published authors literally lose money on their books
blackpiled again

[Anonymous No.20597942]

>>20597894
Self-publishing shit like >>20597234 and losing a few dollars is nothing.

[Anonymous No.20598037]

>>20597270
Probably not bruv, I ain't giving Bezos my sheckles.

[Anonymous No.20598069]

Thanks Op.

So here's the deal.
Amazon make money by the network effect, but the network effect can also be used against you in that you get lost in the crowd.

Say someone hears about your book, but in order to see it on Amazon, there are going to be 1000 other ads of other books that are not yours.

That, and the 30% or higher that they charge -- and now this?

Create a web site on a standard sales forum, where the fee is a flat fee, not a percentage, and use word of mouth, and you not only get more sales, but if your book does take off, the flat rate you pay for the site doesn't change.
You get to use their e-commerce without a charge, get all of your commissions, do not have the competition of other books, and, most importantly, are being duped into thinking that Amazon will ever help a seller like you.

[Anonymous No.20598951]

>>20588664
SOVL

[Anonymous No.20599778]

>>20592213
Underrated