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>Ulysses
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/4300/
https://www.joyceproject.com/
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ulysses_(1922)
https://www.ulyssesguide.com

>The Complete James Joyce .epub
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174940

https://www.26reads.com/author/james-joyce

Telemachus: 7174 words; 1 day
Nestor: 4420 words; 1 day
Proteus: 5665 words; 2 days
Calypso: 5882 words; 1 day
Lotus-eaters: 6370 words; 1 day
Hades: 10917 words; 2 days
Æolus: 10046 words; 2 days
Læstrygonians: 12619 words; 2 days
Scylla and Charybdis: 11839 words; 3 days
Wandering Rocks: 12559 words; 3 days
Sirens: 12221 words; 4 days
Cyclops: 21259 words; 5 days
Nausicaa: 16652 words; 4 days
Oxen of the Sun: 20286 words; 6 days
Circe: 38319 words; 7 days
Eumæus: 22647 words; 4 days
Ithaca: 22403 words; 6 days
Penelope: 24059 words; 6 days

Previous thread: >>20513625

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>> No.20584112

I thought Aeolus was more like a silent film than anything else. There's an actual "camera" at work

>> No.20584170

>>20584112
>There's an actual "camera" at work
Nice pick up anon, Joyce was fascinated by cinema and even opened the first cinema in Ireland: the Volta theatre in 1909. You also see it in Portrait when Dante leaves the dinner table and instead of following her we follow her napkin gently floating to the floor.

>> No.20584178

>>20584170
Thanks. I heard of the Volta theatre about a week ago. Do you have any idea what sort of films Joyce used to watch?
I wonder if he ever saw animation. He would've like it, I think.

>> No.20584179

>>20584178
liked* goddamnit

>> No.20584207

>>20584178
You know what I'm actually not sure, I've never even gave a thought to it. I'll have to have a look. I may have discussed it during a seminar or something but for the life of me I can't remember

>> No.20584214

>>20584207
Thanks so much!

>> No.20584251

Like >>20583556 and >>20583705 said, Aeolus and Proteus are pretty damn hard. But also the most rewarding. Aeolus has been very enjoyable. The most enjoyable chapter. K.M.R.I.A. Now on to Laestrygonians.

>> No.20584724

I love how Joyce starts you out with these shorter, easier chapters then uppercuts you with 20,000 word chapters for the rest of the book.

>> No.20584746

>>20583556
>>20584251
Originally Æolus was written without the headlines. If you ignore them it's a pretty easy chapter.

>> No.20585391

>>20584746
Huh. The headlines were my favourite part.

>> No.20585406

Which chapter are you guys on?

>> No.20585439

>>20585406
Laestrygonians. Check the schedule (>>20584107)!

>> No.20585986

>>20584112
>I thought Aeolus was more like a silent film than anything else.
Elaborate

>> No.20586315

>>20584112
I can see the influence he had on Hemingway in this chapter and also in the diary entries of Portrait.

>> No.20586361

>>20585986
The way the prose is structured in this chapter seems to evoke a certain physicality in my mind. The dialogue is quick and to the point (while I was writing this, >>20586315 made a similar post. good catch!) and very very very mimetic and real and spontaneous and rushed:
>I'll answer it, the professor said, going.
>— B is parkgate. Good.
>His finger leaped and struck point after point, vibrating.
>— T is viceregal lodge. C is where murder took place. K is Knockmaroon gate.
>The loose flesh of his neck shook like a cock's wattles. An illstarched dicky jutted up and with a rude gesture he thrust it back into his waistcoat.
>— Hello? Evening Telegraph here... Hello?... Who's there?... Yes... Yes... Yes.
>— F to P is the route Skin-the-goat drove the car for an alibi, Inchicore, Roundtown, Windy Arbour, Palmerston Park, Ranelagh. F.A.B.P. Got that? X is Davy's publichouse in upper Leeson street.
>The professor came to the inner door.
>— Bloom is at the telephone, he said.
>— Tell him go to hell, the editor said promptly. X is Burke's publichouse, see?

The headlines feel like intertitles:
>IN THE HEART OF THE HIBERNIAN METROPOLIS
>WE SEE THE CANVASSER AT WORK

There's a camera: for example,
>Grossbooted draymen rolled barrels dullthudding out of Prince's stores and bumped them up on the brewery float. On the brewery float bumped dullthudding barrels rolled by grossbooted draymen out of Prince's stores.
It feels like a shift from the draymen on the dock to the brewery float.
>— I'm just running round to Bachelor's walk, Mr Bloom said, about this ad of Keyes's. Want to fix it up. They tell me he's round there in Dillon's.
>He looked indecisively for a moment at their faces. The editor who, leaning against the mantelshelf, had propped his head on his hand, suddenly stretched forth an arm amply.
>— Begone! he said. The world is before you.
>— Back in no time, Mr Bloom said, hurrying out.
>J. J. O'Molloy took the tissues from Lenehan's hand and read them, blowing them apart gently, without comment.
>— He'll get that advertisement, the professor said, staring through his blackrimmed spectacles over the crossblind. Look at the young scamps after him.
>— Show. Where? Lenehan cried, running to the window.

>> No.20586888

bumpity

>> No.20586904

I haven't started L... Lloyd... Laryn... Last Draconians yet, bros. I'm sorry

>> No.20587327

Wake up you sleepy Jesuits. We have at least 4 people who have checked in reading this still. Get your crap together.

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>> No.20588280

Falling behind due to other readings I’m doing, and being a lazy fuck. I’ll finish Æolus tomorrow morning and start Læstrygonians.

Cmon anons, give us a riddle!

>> No.20588818

>>20588220
Would it be a good idea to name your son Buck after Buck Mulligan?

>> No.20588843

>>20588818
Buck wasn't his name, buck was and still is a term in Ireland for basically a wild young fellow who's basically a loveable rogue. His real name is Mallachi: Mal-a-key

>> No.20588923

>>20587327
And me too (the one who asked)! Make that five!

>> No.20588932

/shoneengeneral/

>> No.20589456

>Last Thread: IP Count: 47
>This Thread: 11
36 anons were filtered by Proteus

>> No.20589462

>>20589456
It seemed a weird chapter to be filtered by. I've found Bloom's chapters more difficult than Stephen's chapters.

>> No.20589465

>>20589462
No way. Proteus is definitely more difficult than any of Bloom's chapters so far.

>> No.20589628

>>20589462
Really? That's mental to me. I thought Bloom's chapters up to Sirens were quite easy. Sirens itself is a bit of a slog but it's beautiful and the biggest bastard of a chapter being Oxen and the Sun which is a joint chapter

>> No.20589884

>>20589462
I don't think Blooms chapters have been harder, just more boring. The quick sentences describing very tangible, banal senses and things gets repetetive and boring. Stephen's chapters (so far) have all had passages of literary brilliance to them, and interesting ponderings which were fun and interesting to read. Looking forward to getting to Stephen soon again

>> No.20589890

>>20589884
Quick sentences: oops, I meant short, but in a sense it's correct cause they are quickly read

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>ywn just bullshit around looking at ads all day in 1920s Dublin

>> No.20590605

>>20589628
>>20589884
>>20589465
Following his thoughts has been challenging for me. I have to very carefully think and envision what it is he's looking at. Stephen's chapters were easy to follow and the only issue I ever had was translating the nine hundred languages he speaks. Literary references, sure, you can look those up. But readability and thought process wise, I think he is much easier to follow than tracking Bloom's seemingly random observations and trying to piece the scene or memory together backwards.

>> No.20590671

>>20590605
exactly. this is what i think too

>> No.20591260

>But then Shakespeare has no rhymes: blank verse.
Wow. Bloom's a midwit

>> No.20591264

>Wait. Those poor birds.
Okay never mind I'm sorry Bloom you're a good lad

>> No.20591275

>They wheeled flapping weakly. I'm not going to throw any more.
Penny quite enough. Lot of thanks I get. Not even a caw. They spread foot
and mouth disease too. If you cram a turkey say on chestnutmeal it tastes
like that. Eat pig like pig. But then why is it that saltwater fish are not salty?
How is that?
Goddamnit Bloom

>> No.20591352

>>20590219
>1920s
Anon . . . the book takes place in 1904

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>> No.20591436

Reminded me of 4chan
Start with the Greeks, no one reads (lost causes), CoC, Waldunchads, etc.

“We were always loyal to lost causes, the professor said. Success for us is the death of the intellect and of the imagination. We were never loyal to the successful. We serve them. I teach the blatant Latin language. I speak the tongue of a race the acme of whose mentality is the maxim: time is money. Material domination. Dominus! Lord! Where is the spirituality? Lord Jesus! Lord Salisbury. A sofa in a westend club. But the Greek!



Excerpt From
The Complete James Joyce
James Joyce
This material may be protected by copyright.

>> No.20592211

>>20590605
Bloom’s rambling thoughts are much easier to understand if you listen to them on audiobook. It’s what I’ve been doing and it’s made a world of difference.
>>20591260
Kek
>>20591436
>We were always loyal to lost causes…We were never loyal to the successful
I want to know what that one Irish anon thinks of this. Seems like a lot of Irish have a pretty disparaging view of themselves and their nation.

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>> No.20592911

>>20584101
There’s a new centenary edition that just came out this week. Is it any good?

>> No.20592987

>S&C starts tonight
>I haven't finished a quarter of Gonians
Fuck

>> No.20593853

>>20592987
Bro check out what I did
>reading on my phone
>fall behind a chapter Æolous
>check /lit schedule
>ok I can catch up
>finish Ae
>ok check “contents” on Apple Books
>click on SnC to see how many pgs ok it’s doable
>go back to Lestry and take off books app
>get back to reading

Directly, said he, creaking to go, albeit lingering. The beautiful ineffectual dreamer who comes to grief against hard facts. One always feels that Goethe’s judgments are so true. True in the larger analysis

>get hooked read about 40 pgs
>mfw I realized I skipped a whole chapter

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Guess who’s back, back?
Back again?
Buck is back, back.
Tell a friend.

>> No.20593962

>>20593932
>Let's Stephen sperg out in front of all the literary figues of Dublin
>Takes the piss
>Calls Bloom a sodomite
>leaves
Yeah I'm thinking it's based.

>> No.20594121

>>20591436
Stephen ranting about his Hamlet theory without success is peak /lit/ behaviour.
So is him being a NEET in Paris.
The chapter with him going with Bloom to his house late at night can be understood as greentexting avant la lettre. Reminded me about that anon and the old Irish lady.

>> No.20594969

>>20593932
I created a monster
Cause no one wants to see Stephen no more they want Buck, I'm chopped liver

I'm starting SnC this morning at work. Stay alive, thread.

>> No.20595002

i read ulysses in a reading group with some cunts from uni and it took us like 6 months to finish the whole book... i think its definitely a book you need to take your time with, reading it while also reading other books .etc., instead of trying to blitz through it.

>> No.20595293

gonna coom to the venus of praxiteles

>> No.20595310

>>20594969
Read some of Gogarty's actual works for the dose of Buck. Tumbling in the Hay for example takes place in basically the same timeframe and even shares a chapter with Ulysses where even Stephen appears as Kinch.

>> No.20595336

As much as Bloom is kind of a midwit, he resembles me so goddamn much. Everyone else here has probably thought the exact same thing. It feels as if Joyce is staring into my soul. Goddamn

>> No.20595534

>In the intense instant of imagination, when the
mind, Shelley says, is a fading coal . . .
Remember this from A Portrait?

>> No.20595557

>Will any man love the daughter if he has not loved the mother?
>—Will he not see reborn in her, with the memory of his own youth added, another image?
Does anybody else think these lines might allude to Bloom?

>> No.20595569

is it just me or is stephen's speech on hamlet completely incomprehensible

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—Amen! was responded from the doorway.

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>>20595569
It's actually quite simple and it influenced me to write my own essay on Hamlet.

Stephen believes that all literature is autobiographical in nature (Just look at what we're reading lol) and he works his theory off the fact that Shakespeare's dead son was called Hamnet, which was honestly the same name as Hamlet. He is saying that Shakespeare has put himself into Hamlet as King Hamlet, that is to say, Hamlet's father, the ghost and his wife, Anne Hathaway is then Gertrude, the disloyal Queen. Hathaway would also be adulterous. It's a very interesting theory and it's a bastard nobody could ever expand upon it because Joyce wrote it as a play on itself because he knew fine well what he was doing having Stephen have that theory.

My own theory was that through Hamlet, Shakespeare placed his conflicting religious beliefs and eventually hid his true Catholicism in the play by using Hamlet's own turmoil and subconscious thinking

>> No.20595874

>>20592911
Ordered it on abebooks, should be arriving soon.

>> No.20595879

>>20595557
>Shakespeare was cucked
>Shakespeare lost his only son
Hard not to see the parallels

>> No.20596089

>>20595879
>>20595619
no i got the essence of it but it was pretty convoluted, their conversations and all, right up to before buck enters

>> No.20596799

>>20595874
Tell us how it is, pics if you can

>> No.20597283

>>20596089
I'm a page in and completely lost.

>> No.20598152

>>20591383
lmao
What was his fucking problem? Why did this bother him so much

>> No.20598203

Doesn't Stephen's theory in S&C essentially boil down to that since Shakespeare's characters were based off of his life, he has a part of himself in all of his characters? Stephen even makes a comparison of Shakespare to God at the end "all in all in all of us".

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>>20584101
no
nooooo
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
PLEASE NOOO NOT THE ULYSSES

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>20595583
>>20593962
>>20594969
Kek, I like how Mulligan charms all of us even in Joyce’s own work.
>>20595619
It makes a bit more sense when you say it like that, but the way Stephen explains it makes it seem so much more complicated.
>>20595336
Felt that with every story in Dubliners. Joyce has a way of capturing human feelings perfectly.
>>20595310
>Read some of Gogarty's actual works
Are you that one guy who’s a big Gogarty fan? I swear I’ll get around to him one day anon.

>> No.20599299

>>20599077
>Are you that one guy who’s a big Gogarty fan? I swear I’ll get around to him one day anon.
I am indeed, it's actually criminal how overlooked he is. His prose is some of the best and most realistic depiction of Irish conversation I've ever read. The man could make a phone book entertaining.

>> No.20599445

Are there any other books I should read before Ulysses to better understand the references? I don't want it to go over my head.

>> No.20599893

>>20599299
Could you list a few recs? Thanks so much Mulliganon

>> No.20599933

>>20599893
As I was walking down Sackville Street and Tumbling in the Hay for more of the sort of Buck Mulligan character. Then you have I Follow St. Patrick for Gogarty's tour around famous sites of St. Patrick. Then you have the poetry and plays which are bit more serious. I'd start with Tumbling in the Hay.

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>>20599445
Dubliners and Portrait are fundamental. The others would be Odyssey, the Divine Comedy, and Hamlet.

>> No.20600527

>>20600164
This is such a bad chart I always have to call it out. Chamber Music isn't needed at all for one. Neither is the Divine Comedy for anything more than the odd reference. Hamlet at least has a chapter dedicated to it and the whole relationship dynamic. Aquinas is more suited for a very deep reading of Portrait and could be totally disregarded for Ulysses.

In truth nothing is "required reading" apart from Portrait and even then it stands quite well by itself.

>> No.20600591

>>20599445
It'll go over your head regardless on a first read. There's just too much going on in Ulysses to be able to get everything in one pass. You don't really need anything to be able to enjoy it, though.

>> No.20600746

>>20600164
ultimate pseudpost

>> No.20601207

>>20595534
>>In the intense instant of imagination, when the
>mind, Shelley says, is a fading coal . . .
What's beautiful about this, I don't know exactly what Is meant by fading coal.....

But is it like the embers in a fire? That's what came to mind to me the embers at bottom of a fire how they like switch their glow,

But I don't know, cause maybe it just means, in an instant of imagination, a mind goes from black coal; to coal... Fading;..so the mind is usually simple black coal.... But in an instant of imagination the simple black simplicity of the substance fades, also the fact that mind requires energy and coal is a fuel source.

Only else i can think is a coal fades into diamond, so imagination is diamond of the mind

>> No.20601448

>>20601207
" fading coal" describes a transient, impalpable state in which the mind is perceives the true claritas; radiance, the quidditas; whatness, of an object

>> No.20601941

>>20595583
>letsfuckinggo.jpg
I hate zoomers so much

>> No.20602601

>>20601941
autist

>> No.20602619

>>20584207
Hey anon. I'd like to bump this. Have you found anything yet? Thanks

>> No.20602998

>>20601448
Why is it called fading coal? How does coal, fading, relate to what you wrote?

>> No.20603073

>>20602998
it refers to a transient state, an impermanent state.

>> No.20603658

I have had 3 nights in a row where I'm out of the house up until my wage slave bed time. I will be doing plenty of catch up this weekend for Independence Day

>> No.20603677

>>20603073
Ok last I will be a bother bout this, anything that fades could have been used; is there utterly no significance that coal was used? And not fading silver, or grain supply?

>> No.20604076

>>20599299
>>20599933
Thanks Mulliganon. Remembered you mentioned he had good poetry but had no idea he did prose.
>>20599445
I wouldn’t say you actually need to read anything. All of the Odyssey stuff went completely over my head the first time though but I don’t think that detracted from my reading.
>>20603658
You got this anon! I’m a bit ahead on my re-read and just finished Circe.

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>coworker listening to podcast about banned books
>hear Ulysses
>start describing why it was banned
>realize halfway through that I'm talking about Bloom jacking off on the beach at work and the reason it's in the novel
>coworker makes a disgusted face
>I just trail off

>> No.20604549

>>20603677
when we think fading coal we're talking about this unsustainable, unmaintainable, delicate, fragile state in which the mind exists only for a moment of sublimity or whatever make the most of it and all

>> No.20604902

man joyce has got to be fucking with us this chapter

>> No.20604918

>Cuck Mulligan
my fucking sides
Kek Mulligan.

>> No.20604962

>>20602619
I've actually not found a lot. Mostly articles on how he influenced cinema in Ireland. I definitely discussed it however at college and can't for the life remember what we said. At the time you'd have to imagine selection was quite small, and he died in 1941. His facsination was very evident from the 1900s and not just from the 1910s so one would have to assume it was the medium and the potential he liked more so than anything particular on the screen. I would say Joyce enjoyed everything and anything on it. Sorry for not being too helpful.
>>20604076
Oh the prose is fantastic, it flows like water, beautiful stuff really. It's not even too hard to follow either, classical in structure and carried by the language and culture.

>> No.20605287

Bump. SnC is a 3 day long chapter don't forget

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>>20602601
>autist

>> No.20607078

>>20601941
>>20602601
>>20606054
fuck off!

I heard Wandering Rocks is like "Ulysses in miniature." Can the smart anons confirm? What are we in for?

>> No.20607296

>>20584112
Why would you think that?

>> No.20607389

>>20607078
Honestly one of the easier chapters, it's like a sorbet to clear it all before Sirens hits you.

>> No.20607400

>>20607296
I elaborated a little here:
>>20586361
I'm willing to talk more about it if you want

>> No.20607554

Bros, just finished S&C and it's back to kino. I found the last two chapters a bit tedious, but here I don't really even feel the need to understand things. I can just let JJ's beautiful, witty, inventive, weird prose carry me into the open sea, and it's more than most books can achieve.

And speaking of understanding, I think it works very differently in Ulysses - it's not like bang, you just get it. Formal proofs. It's layers. It's like sculpting in wood an expressionist statue - you don't get to crystal clarity, and it's never certain you should carve more or you carved too much. It's part what you get, part what how the style carries you and part generative - what it makes you put into it. All intermingled. At least that's how it feels rn.

>> No.20607601

>>20607400
Didn't see it, thanks.

>> No.20607687

>>20607554
very good post, anon.
as an aside: i once heard a person admire say about art, both as a practice and as a product to be consumed: comprehension is inevitable.

>> No.20608696

Bump

>> No.20609347

what did the guy buck mulligan was based off of think of his portrayal in the book?

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>>20607554
>I can just let JJ's beautiful, witty, inventive, weird prose carry me into the open sea
If nothing else, Ulysses can just be a joy to read simply because of Joyce’s mastery of English prose. He’s the type of writer who takes full advantage of his medium.
>>20604962
>prose is fantastic
I’m definitely interested anon. Classical with local dialogue sounds like ultimate kino. Mentioned him to that other anon asking about Irish lit in another thread.
>>20609347
From Wikipedia;
Gogarty himself, though he held largely negative views on Joyce's work, once wrote positively of his role in Ulysses: "When [Joyce] paid me the only kind of compliment he ever paid, and that is to mention a person in his writings, he described me shaving on the top of the tower. In fact, I am the only character in all his works who washes, shaves, and swims."

Also from Wikipedia;
Gogarty appears in a number of memoirs penned by his contemporaries, notably George Moore's Hail and Farewell, where he goes both by his own name and by the pseudonym "Conan"
Gogarty is such a chad.

>> No.20610316

>>20609347
His view on the character was greatly influenced by what he was doing at the time the book was published. In 1922 Gogarty was 43/44 and was a senator and was indeed very close to being the first president of the Irish Free State had Griffith not died (that's another story however.) He was trying to show a much more mature and political side to himself as he was constantly in the public eye now. The description of the lovable rogue who tricks and trips up poor Joyce isn't a good public image to have when having a political career so he had problems with it, had it been published in 1910 or so it would have been a different story I imagine.
>>20609395
We must be the only people who've ever mentioned him in those threads haha. For your last reply there
>Gogarty himself, though he held largely negative views on Joyce's work
This is actually wrong and a close friend of Gogarty (legendary Irish literary biographer Ulick O'Conner) said that Gogarty told him the Portrait of the Artist was the best piece of prose written in the era and this was in the late 20s or 30s. He also took up the mantle to defend Finnegan's Wake and just stopped short at calling philistines for not appreciating it.

>> No.20610328

>>20607554
>S&C
I'm prepared to get roasted, but what's S&C? Thanks.

>> No.20610330

>>20610316
whatd he say about FW

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>>20610328
Episode 9, in the library where Stephan describes his Hamlet theory.
>>20610330
pic related. He seemed to be the only reviewer other than Ulick O'Conner that I've come across that actually accurately describes what FW is about.

>> No.20610447

We should have a Gogarty General after Ulysses

>> No.20611375

>>20610328
Scylla and Charybdis!
See >>20588220 and >>20584107 for more info

>> No.20611486

>>20607687
That person was very optimistic. Much more than I. But at least it would work with creative misunderstandings substituted.

>> No.20611647

>Reading casually
>Already to Nausicaa somehow

To be fair, I didn't realize that the chapters had names until well after I started. I should probably be reading a commentary along with my physical copy, but I've been having fun just enjoying the book on its own. Joyce's humor is top notch (I like the way he lists names in Cyclops). I also quite enjoy the formal aspects and I am looking forward to Oxen of the Sun. In the meantime now that I know what the schedule actually is, I'll keep lurking in this thread and checking the Joyce Project as needed.

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>The cries of the auctioneer within. Four and nine.
Pynchonbros

>> No.20611921

Well I finished S&C and I wish I had read or watched a performance of Hamlet first. That was a tough chapter.

>> No.20612237

>>20611921
Right? Goddamn. Gonna start Wandering Rocks tomorrow.

>> No.20612243

>>20611647
joyce project annotations drop off past Chapter 6 and 7. it's still a WIP. try http://www.columbia.edu/~fms5/ulys.htm and https://www.ulyssesguide.com/ as well. i have all 3 tabs open when i read

>> No.20612474

>>20612237
I might reneg on what I said earlier about Bloom being harder to read than Stephen. Some of Stephen's thoughts just felt completely incomprehensible unless you have an annotated guide or an online resource to help out. At least with Bloom I could work out what was going on with a little detective work and context clues.

>> No.20612538

>>20612474
i think Telemachus and Nestor were easier than, say, Aeolus, but Scylla and Charybdis fucked me up man

>> No.20612674

>>20611921
>I wish I had read or watched a performance of Hamlet first.
https://youtu.be/vABGEzB7T9M
Scene that starts at 1:29:00 best part. Though also 10 15 mins before the intermission and that 'get thee to a nunnery' to Ophelia

Also good film version but edited down I think:
https://youtu.be/tsPPI_7x1dk

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>>20612674
I always preferred Kenneth Branagh version myself. He brings such a human component to Hamlet that the others lack. Hamlet was a Renaissance prince after all and Burton and Olivier bring more of a medieval and Gothic feel to it; they belong in the world of Richard II not Hamlet. Also Branagh's 'Alas, poor Yorick!' is the best version I have ever seen in my life. it's the only version that shows what the connection Hamlet would have had with Yorick would evoke in him emotionally, he wasn't an old friend who passed on where you can look back and reminisce, he was a second father to Hamlet while his own was away fighting old Fortinbras. Anybody that's reading this reply for the love of God just watch this scene:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DxFccxK1Q4
>Imperious Caesar/Dead and turned to clay/Might stop a hole to keep the wind away
Fucking magic.
>t. Hamlet theory fag

>> No.20613413

>>20612750
Pretty good, maybe just watch all the versions, as red, green and blue may be all worth being seen at least once, and there are other colors too

>> No.20613475

>>20612674
>Scene that starts at 1:29:00 best part.
Oops! Make that 1:05:00

>> No.20613529

>>20612674
>>20612750
For me, it's the original Russian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McKuFBAp_i8

>> No.20613737

>>20613529
Havent seen that, but to grand degrees I agree after scrolling through it a bit.

The acting, directing, clarity of sound, costumes, hotness of Ophelia, quality of camera and cinematography this is the best ive seen.

The only reasons it gets points off it has edits to the text and it's not spoken English.

>> No.20614541

Bump

>> No.20614680

Might be retarded but what’s with the disks?

>> No.20614757

>be first-time reader
Just finished Chapter 3 Proteus. Holy fuck that description of the dog. I felt like I could SEE the dog. It was so lifelike, so perfect.

>> No.20614785

What other books should I read before Ulysses to enrich my experience? I've read the Odyssey and Hamlet and probably unwittingly other relevant texts but is there anything else that sticks out?

>> No.20614806

>>20614785
You've managed to read the most relevant secondary texts unrelated to Joyce which is good. The only others needed are Dubliners (honestly more for little references more than anything) and Portriat of the Artist for Stephen's background

>> No.20614858

Fun titbit: the song "The Sensual World" by Kate Bush is essentially word-for-word the last page of Ulysses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1DDndY0FLI

>> No.20614879

>>20614858
and this recut/remaster is even more detailed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIGGEUUK1-o

>> No.20615240

>>20614680
which ones?

>> No.20616225

bump.

>> No.20616408

>Dilly begging her father for petty change even though he's broke as fuck
>he gets so annoyed he says "I'll leave you where Jesus left the Jews"
Fuckin lol

>> No.20617264

You guys post a sentence from the book you liked today?

>> No.20617438

>>20584101
I'm a little ahead, but I have to say this
I'm getting extremely filtered by Cyclops desu. No idea what's going on with this new narrator. The tone of the book changed completely for me, it's like I was starting to get a good feel for the prose and narration and now Joyce threw me off my horse completely.

I won't give up!

>> No.20617632

What page are you guys on?

>> No.20617652

>>20617632
237, which means I'm 15 shy of finishing Rocks. This chapter has been a nice break from the difficulty of the previous. But I glanced through Sirens and, well, i know the break is not eternal...

>> No.20617938

>>20617632
245 - just finished WR. I have to say, I enjoyed S&C much more. This chapter is not bad, but feels like an interlude to me. I guess the continuous jumping from one location to another is more than my attention span can bear. Buck Mulligan was based, as always, though. So was Stephen, but because of his SoC.

>> No.20618275 [DELETED] 

>>20614680
I think it's some sort of machine that displays what music number they're on in a theater. I'm not really sure.

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>>20614680
I think it's some sort of machine that displays what music number they're on in a theater. I'm not really sure.

>> No.20618545

>The lychgate of a field showed Father Conmee breadths of cabbages, curtseying to him with ample underleaves.
holy fucking shit how does joyce do it

>> No.20618581

>lifting the kettlelid in a pad of her stained skirt,
even this is just genius what the FUCK

>> No.20618591

okay joyce had to have known who winsor mccay was, at the very least. he had to have been interested in animation. joyce ANIMATES. this is an experimental animatedfilmnovel. WOW!

>> No.20618611

>>20618581
What's genius about it?

>> No.20618650

I've just realized one thing: the reading schedule avoids one very important issue: some of us need to drink properly at least once per week. Drinking properly, at least for me, implies I can't fucking read Joyce that evening. Certainly not understand or appreciate it. Can't read it during the day that much either since I'm working at least 6 days a week. To counteract this, I've started with Ulysses earlier, but now I'm only one day ahead. By the looks of it, I won't be able to keep up.

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>>20618611
i have no idea man this chapter's flowing so smoothly and i'm so appreciative of everything happening but it's GENIUS. call me a midwit for being so amazed and excited by this, but read this:
>Katey, lifting the kettlelid in a pad of her stained skirt, asked:
>And what's in this?
>A heavy fume gushed in answer.
>—Peasoup, Maggy said.
isn't the vivid, right-in-front-of-your-face imagery so... vivid?!?!?! i'm losing my shit at this, man.
picrel is me currently

>> No.20618668

>>20618650
>some of us need to drink properly at least once per week
You sound like an alcoholic

>> No.20618672

>>20618591
I think this just adds an extra dimension to what the novel is.

>> No.20618677

>>20618650
Anon, I hadn't considered this. I'm sorry. But the schedule slows down for the latter half of Ulysses... Do you suppose you can keep up with the read-along Sirens onward?

>> No.20618680

>>20618668
Maybe I am one, what's the problem?

>> No.20618693

>>20618662
no its genius

>> No.20618694

>>20618672
exactly. i'm so excited about the sheer genius of joyce's work. it's all flooding my soul right now. i'm looking forward to reading ulysses everyday, despite my busy (well...) schedule

>> No.20618810

>>20618677
>I'm sorry
Mate, don't take it so seriously. I didn't really mean it as a reproach - more like a peculiarity. Don't people go out anymore? I'll prolly manage to keep up anyway because I have an incentive. Thanks for the consideration.

>> No.20618833

Just finished the poo chapter boys. I'm catching up!

>> No.20618867

>>20618662
>call me a midwit for being so amazed and excited by this
I got the same feeling. So if you're a midwit, I'm a midwit too.

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My dad thought it would be a fun father-son bonding exercise to read Ulysses together and discuss each chapter along the way, kind of like a two-person reading group. So he bought two copies and we attended a Bloomsday #100 lecture as a primer. I didn't realise what I was in for. The literal motherfucker knows the Bible, Shakespeare, and Homer back-to-front, and has read Portrait whereas I've only read The Odyssey and my last experience with Hamlet was watching Rozencrantz And Guildenstern Are Dead in high school. I am at a major disadvantage. Can anyone give me some shocking revelation to knock his socks off and level the playing field?

>> No.20619159

>>20618957
the schema, ulyssesguide.com, nabokov lectures. skim through. talk about it and go "oh i might be wrong but I PERSONALLY think [...]" and parrot whatever you read as if you thought of it first.
Please don't do this. Just enjoy the ride and have fun. It'll make the experience a hell of a lot more enjoyable. Bond with your father. Be sincere

>> No.20619208

>>20619159
It's okay I was joking. I'm just happy to spend time with my dad. But thanks for these resources -- we will definitely check them out

>> No.20619410

Ok so I just got to Hades but it's only page 107 and this edition has 933... are the other chapters fucking massive or what?

>> No.20619614

>>20619410
check op

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>tfw no barnacle

>> No.20619800

>>20618957
>The literal motherfucker
kek

>> No.20619807

https://youtu.be/7DJAVuo1VV0

>> No.20620534

>>20618957
I'm going to be doing the exact same shit to my son, /lit/ will cause unending suffering to the next generation.
>>20619782
She wasn't much of a looker anon it's okay.

>> No.20621087

Months back I tried reading Ulysses and got sidetracked somewhere around Calypso, because I realized the book is a fucking maze of references and interesting topics to look deeper into. Decided to take a serious break and read up on Joyce's influences before proceeding.
As such, I can't join you in your endeavour, but I want you lads to know that this is the best thread on this board right now.
Godspeed, you fucking nerds.

>> No.20621133

Hey a question to you all, should I get the Cambridge Centenary Edition of Ulysses as my only/first copy?

>> No.20621170

>>20621133
I'd avoid to be honest. Get two copies: One for notes and another for collection and reading. I have the Dover edition for the latter, a nice big edition that looks exactly like the original 1922 version and then a Wordsworth copy for writing shit in. Don't get caught by meme editions, unless you want to that is, along as it isn't Gabler or the Penguin Clothbound Classics.

>> No.20621511

Hello Fellows, long time no see! Just finished up wandering rocks with my coffee this morning. Phew! Quite a chapter. Glad to see all of you are more or less on schedule, glad to see the threads still up. I took a few days off from posting because I'd sit at my computer longer than it took to read the chapter.

Some highlights from rocks.
>The superior, the very reverend John Conmee S.J. reset his smooth watch in his interior pocket as he came down the presbytery steps.
Such a fire opening line.
>Mr Denis J Maginni, professor of dancing &c, in silk hat, slate frockcoat with silk facings, white kerchief tie, tight lavender trousers, canary gloves and pointed patent boots, walking with grave deportment most respectfully took the curbstone as he passed lady Maxwell at the corner of Dignam's court.
Love the imagery here.
>He's dead nuts on sales...
That paragraph where they talk about Bloom, (and also further conversation about the man later in the chapter) I found very interesting. The other characters seem to have similar opinions to mine on the topic of Bloom. Like here:
>He's not one of your common or garden... you know... There's a touch of the artist about old Bloom.
>heard the beats of the bell, the cries of the auctioneer within. Four and nine.
Pynchonbros?
>I'll leave you all where Jesus left the jews.
Based.
>Aham! Hot spirit of juniper juice warmed his vitals and his breath. Good drop of gin, that was.
Joyce so effortlessly makes things taste good to your mind. Juniper juice is so stupidly genius. Made me want some gin.
>Born all in the dark wormy earth, cold specks of fire, evil, lights shining in the darkness. Where fallen archangels flung the stars of their brows. Muddy swinesnouts, hands, root and root, gripe and wrest them.
Oh Stephen you emotionally insufferable bastard I love too much how well you are written. Found it cute and a tad heartbreaking that his sister just wants his approval so badly on her little French book. Reminds me of the faggot I was when my siblings were younger.
>She is drowning.
>Agenbite.
>Save her...
>She will drown me with her, eyes and hair.
>Misery! Misery!
I feel this sheds so much more light on Stephen's off-handedness towards his family. He has to escape from the family curse. His guilt he may or may not feel for denying his mother's last wish only further estranged him.
Mulligan's part:
>They drove his wits astray, he said, by visions of hell.
Remember that fire and brimstone sermon from Portrait? There is also something interesting about the faith inferred in the next few lines:
>He can never be a poet. The joy of creation...
>Eternal punishment...
The act of creation is an action against the creator? Biblebros help me understand this one.
I also like the little "in ten years". Saw a footnote that said Joyce published in 1914 so ten years after the events of the book.

Anyway, Sirens next! How are we all doing? Ready to stuff our ears and ignore the sirensong? Or shall we tie ourselves to the mast?

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>>20618680
Gluttony and addiction are a sin. Repent and you will be forgiven.

>> No.20622470

>>20621133
No. It's not very good for reading.

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I'm just finishing up Hades. Someone recommended me these two resources which have been a fucking godsend (particularly the first) and are "free" online:

>Ulysses Annotated by Don Gifford
https://vdoc.pub/documents/ulysses-annotated-notes-for-james-joyces-ulysses-3oen8k8a0dn0

>The New Bloomsday Book by Harry Blamires
https://vdoc.pub/documents/the-new-bloomsday-book-a-guide-through-ulysses-d7anjgnai3o0

>> No.20623790

>book covers a single day
>book takes exactly 24 hours to read out loud
motherfucker thought of everything

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I want to join you guys, but my copy has not arrived yet

>> No.20624089

>>20624084
Reading online isn’t an option?

>> No.20624323

>>20624084
Do I have do everything for you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRecMy_5_U0

>> No.20624483

I'm scared of Sirens already

>> No.20624511

>>20624084
Reading this, just started WR

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>>20624511
Forgot pic

>> No.20625036

Type of a sentence you really liked from your reading today

>> No.20625120

>>20625036
Nigger lips, it really spoke to the 4chan in me.

The start of WR really is great father Conmee et all. The way Joyce describes FC interactions really put you there.

>> No.20625760

>>20625036
Mr. Paddy O'Houlohan strolled down church street, twiddling his thumbs, whistling a hymn in front of St.Toms Cathedral

>> No.20625785

>>20625120
I had to fucking read that passage out in college in front of this black girl, I was terrified of the repercussions.

>> No.20626207

>>20625036
>A corpse is meat gone bad. Well and what's cheese? Corpse of milk.
lol'd

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>I've put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant and that's the only way of ensuring one's immortality
Is Ulysses just the world's longest shitpost?

>> No.20626439

>>20626235
It was designed as in such the ordinary man could relate to it and the academic be filtered by it. Joyce, unlike most other modernists championed the ordinary person, he was one himself after all in culture and spirit.

>> No.20626488

Stately, plump-

Stopped reading there. This is fatshaming and anyone who enjoys Joyce is complicit in fatphobia.

>> No.20626511

>>20626488
Strangest thing about that line is that Buck Mulligan was a very thin man who was astoundingly fit and athletic. Crazy fucker would cycle 400km every weekend just to shag his missus.

>> No.20626546

>>20626511
Yeah Gogarty doesn't look very plump in the pictures. He does look stately, though

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Imagine being so buttblasted by Joyce that you move to the other side of the world because everyone points and calls you Buck in the street.

>> No.20626703

>He took the coverless book from her hand. Chardenal's French
primer.
—What did you buy that for? he asked. To learn French?
>She nodded, reddening and closing tight her lips.
this made me incredibly sad.

>> No.20626706

>>20626703
forgive my shitty formatting. goddamn

>> No.20626711

>>20626645
Shit bait but the story is interesting.
After publishing his first prose work: As I Was Going Down Sackville Street, Gogarty was subject to a slander suit by this fellow by the name of Sinclair who said the book contained slander towards his dead brother.
>As I say, I will produce George...' 'Well, until you do, just recite his latest.' 'Very well,' said I. 'You must know that George is not only the arbiter elegantiae of Dublin, but a critic of the grosser forms of license. Now, there was an old usurer who had eyes like a pair of periwinkles on which somebody had been experimenting with a pin, and a nose like a shrunken tomato, one side of which swung independently of the other. The older he grew the more he pursued the immature, and enticed little girls into his office. That was bad enough; but he had grandsons, and these directed the steps of their youth to follow in their grandfather's footsteps, with more zeal than discrimination.
A young Samuel Beckett, a relation of the sinclair's even went to court to testify, in his later years he said he was ashamed to take part in the case.
Gogarty lost the case and the libel laws would stay so loose in Ireland for nearly a century after. You could sue anyone for anything really, but I digress.
Gogarty lost nearly his entire fortune over to these literal shysters and in his rage left for America where he spent his time writing into old age. By the time he died he grew to hate the place as well because of the death of conversation that was taking place. He was telling people a story once and just as he was getting to the punchline or climax somebody set off a jukebox to which he put his head down and said something along the lines of
>It is such a shame that I who spent all his years in the company of such great conversationalists should die at the mercy of the retarded cretin's who throw pennies into that infernal contraption

>> No.20626726

>>20626488
>is complicit in fatphobia
Great! One more reason to enjoy the book.

>> No.20626738

A lot of arm-linking in Wandering Rocks.

>> No.20626772

>>20626711
>>It is such a shame that I who spent all his years in the company of such great conversationalists should die at the mercy of the retarded cretin's who throw pennies into that infernal contraption
do you have a source on this?

>> No.20626778

>Buck Mulligan's watchful eyes saw the waitress come. He helped her to unload her tray.
such wonderful characterization.

>> No.20626830

>>20626772
Ulick O'Connor's podcast episode on the very man. Near the end if I remember it well enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DETpQ_sH0sQ

>> No.20627130

>>20622462
cringe

>> No.20627368

still thinkin bout that dog on the beach...

>> No.20627879

>>20627368
tell me more.

>> No.20628965

gonna start siren tonight.
also i sort of skipped through the last section of wandering rocks just because.

>> No.20629117

>>20627368
Kek, did anyone pick up its shit?

>> No.20629605

Aeolus is haaaard lads... I'm tuning out so much. Thinking about audiobooking this chapter.

>> No.20629635

>>20629605
Are you trying to read it backwards?

>> No.20629671

>>20629605
I had the same feeling actually, but I think the reason it seems hard is that you don't have the kino style from the Telemachiad to carry you around and that there many characters talking a lot with few reference points.

But I suspect that a slightly more careful reading - like who are those people, when they appear, how do they relate, etc., would render it much simpler than Proteus.

Anyway, keep going anon, it's worth it.

>> No.20629676

>>20629671
>there many characters
there are*

>> No.20629758

>>20629635
It's a focus issue. Maybe reading it backwards would help desu

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>I am tired of my voice, the voice of Esau. My kingdom for a drink.
This in the middle of the Shakespeare talk made me lose hard for some reason, even more than changing Buck's name every other line.

>> No.20629915

I haven't read enough of Sirens bros. I think I'm falling behind...

>> No.20629925

>>20629915
I’m still on WR broboro, keep going

>> No.20629936 [DELETED] 

>>20626488
>VIRAG: (His tongue upcurling) Lyum! Look. Her beam is broad. She is coated
with quite a considerable layer of fat. Obviously mammal in weight of bosom you
remark that she has in front well to the fore two protuberances of very respectable
dimensions, inclined to fall in the noonday soupplate, while on her rere lower
down are two additional protuberances, suggestive of potent rectum and
tumescent for palpation, which leave nothing to be desired save compactness.
Such fleshy parts are the product of careful nurture. When coopfattened their
livers reach an elephantine size. Pellets of new bread with fennygreek and
gumbenjamin swamped down by potions of green tea endow them during their
brief existence with natural pincushions of quite colossal blubber. That suits your
book, eh? Fleshhotpots of Egypt to hanker after. Wallow in it. Lycopodium. (His
throat twitches) Slapbang! There he goes again.
appreciating more than shaming

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>>20626711
This is fascinating. A bit more on Gogarty, "a man of massive but unfulfilled promise," attached. Wow, what a life.

>> No.20630348

Took the holiday weekend off but it’s good to see you again friends.
>>20627368
That was like the only part of Proteus I understood on my first read through.
>>20626488
This is bad bait, but stately plump is actually a great way of describing him from the pics.
>>20629605
Audiobook might not be a bad idea, anon. Can really help with some of the more confusing passages.
>>20626778
Joyce has so many great bits like that that make the scenes so much more real.
>>20626711
Poor Gogarty.
>>20621511
>with my coffee this morning
Love to listen to the audiobook with my breakfast too anon. I love the dynamic between Stephen and the sister too. Reminds me of me or my younger sister asking our oldest brother something about French. Older sibs do always seem to have all the answers.
>sermon
Actually only reading Portrait now and just got to the sermon. Interesting to see the connections in Ulysses as I come across them.

>> No.20631322

>>20630110
I don't like that review at all I have to say. A man that is reveared and loved by his contemporaries, which include the greatest that the time produced was actually not that good without going into reasons why they would think that apart from "People don't like him as much now" is just lazy to even start with.

>> No.20631400

>>20621133
It is absolutely massive. Think Taschen-esque artbook size, and not the reduced reader-friendly versions either.

>> No.20631412

>>20584101
Ulysses is funny

Don Quixote > Ulysses > Gravity's Rainbow > Infinite Jest

>> No.20631579

Alright fartbottoms I just finished work and I'm doing it. Aeolus. No audiobook. Raw. I'm finishing Aeolus right fucking now. Yes.

>> No.20631590 [DELETED] 

>/lit/ reads Ulysses

Boring! Wake me for /lit/ reads Call of the Crocodile.

>> No.20632285

BUMP you worthless jesuit fucks

>> No.20632467

>>20631579
Update: I did it. I have a slight headache but the day's work may have contributed.

>> No.20632620

>>20632285
Listen Buck (pbuh). Some of us Americans were still sleeping until you shouted down the stairwell

>> No.20633074

What fascinates me the most is how different every chapter feels. It's not even just different point of view characters but different techniques and styles. Every chapter feels new and I feel like I accomplished something when I finish one.
Are there other writers who employ so many styles and techniques? I have read some experimental stuff, but most of what I have read is pretty conventional. What inspired Joyce to write like this? How did he do it?

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What would you do if you were Bloom in the Ormond Hotel?

>> No.20633574
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>>20633074
As I Lay Dying and the Sound and the Fury switches between styles a lot.

>> No.20633580

>>20633566
Cross the street with my head down and inspect the arseholes of the statues in the National Library.

>> No.20633970

>>20633566
Kek. That's exactly how I imagined Blazes: a Jersey Shore douchebag

>> No.20634004

>>20633074
It's likely that Flaubert's obsession with style was an influence. Another anon wrote that Joyce only read the complete works of 3 authors, one of which was Flaubert. Maybe he can add details.

>> No.20634035

>>20634004
>only read the complete works of 3 authors
seriously? i hope that anon can elaborate on this

>> No.20634287

>>20634035
I made that thread lol: >>20613670
>He possessed Defoe's complete works, and had read every line of them. Of only three other writers, he said, could he make this claim: Flaubert, Ben Jonson and Ibsen.
I found this in Frank Budgen's James Joyce and the Making of Ulysses

>> No.20634372

>>20632467
Thoughts on chapter?

>> No.20634459

>>20631322
Fair point. I didn't mean to post it as the last word on the subject, or to adopt the reviewer's attitude toward Gogarty, whom he is clearly not fond of, and perhaps even somewhat hostile towards. What intrigued me were the remarkable facts of the man's life, which I had not been familiar with.

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>>20634372
>mfw
Cacophonic. Painful. Perhaps that's the point. I read afterwards that Aeolus = keeper of winds = gasbagging so that makes sense. I will need to go over the episode again later with a fine-tooth comb (my reading guide) -- I haven't *read* enough to appreciate this chapter. Some choice lines about cigarette smoke blooming into flowers.

Anyway, on to Læstrygonians and I feel like I can finally breathe again.

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I know we're on Ulysses now, but I'm going through Portrait now and just came across this line which I had to comment on;
>The rosaries, too, which he said constantly.. transformed themselves into coronals of flowers of such vague unearthly texture that they seemed to him as hueless and odourless as they were nameless
As a Catholic that hit hauntingly close to home. I think it's a wonderful thing to say communal prayers for sick family members, but at times it can really feel like you're just going through the motions. Any other Papist anons feel the same?
>>20633566
Offer Vaseline and to take a snapshop. You'll get it later.
>>20633074
It's one of the best parts of the novel. The way he weaves between styles while still keeping a voice is honestly incredible. Melville also plays around with style in Moby Dick, if you're interested.
>>20634750
Didn't know that about Aeolus anon. Interesting stuff.
>cigarette smoke blooming into flowers
Every time I hear an analogy like this it bugs me I didn't think of it first.

>> No.20635011

>>20634959
>Any other Papist anons feel the same?
My parents ditched the Catlick church and all of its domestic paraphernalia after the rapes. I do have some fond memories of the church though: lighting a prayer candle, the statue of Mary with a shrapnel-wound (WW2), wondering if the decoy owl was real, getting sprinkled by the bishop's pendulum thing...

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>>20635011
>getting sprinkled by the bishop's pendulum thing...
>My parents ditched the Catlick church and all of its domestic paraphernalia after the rapes.

Kek

>>20634959
There’s a part in portrait where they talk about art.
Joyce predicted modern and conceptual art to the point holy based.

>> No.20635396

Tap.

>> No.20635505

If my guesstimation is right I really only need to read 10 pages a day to keep up with the schedule. I'm halfway through Sirens

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>>20635505
That's right.

>> No.20635595

>>20635505
Excellent. I started late and so am smashing 30+ to catch up.

>> No.20636143

>>20635595
>>20635505
You got this friends!
>>20635011
Used to love when my dad would take us to churches in the city to light a candle. Do you find you can relate to any of the Catholic elements Joyce discusses in either Dubliners, Portrait, or Ulysses?
>>20635270
>predicted modern and conceptual art
Haven’t gotten there but I’m not surprised. Great writers often seem like they’re able to predict the future in some of their writing.

>> No.20636486

>>20636143
>Do you find you can relate to any of the Catholic elements Joyce discusses in either Dubliners, Portrait, or Ulysses?
(Ulysses is my first Joyce). So far it hasn't stirred much nostalgia although it colours the reading experience and I can appreciate the churchy/bible references. I'm thoroughly agnostic and haven't stepped in a church for nearly 15 years (except for AA meetings) but I thought about going to mass recently just for a look. I heard St Marys (Sydney Australia) has an excellent church choir so I wouldn't mind seeing (hearing) them either.

>> No.20636587

>>20584112
For the longest time I always read this section as a newspaper or a pastiche of a newspaper. Thank you for this new perspective that Aeolus is a silent movie.

>> No.20636637

I'm way behind everyone. This is such a difficult read for me bros. I found GR and IJ easier. I think it's second only to PoS in difficulty out of everything I've read.

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>>20584101
Let me guess, no one here knows how Leopold's Jewishness is related to Wagner?

>> No.20636952

>>20636637
these may help
>>20623725

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>milk for the pussens or it gets the hose again

>> No.20638246

gonna start sirens tonight.
also to the anon who's catching up with us right now: godspeed. your persistence tells me you're gonna make it in other areas of life too.

>> No.20638359

Those girls, those girls, those lovely seaside girls.

>> No.20638379

Your favorite lines, I’ll start
>I’m Ulyssus!
>No, Im Ulyssis!

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>>20584101
>tfw you'll never be cucked by Molly

>> No.20638507

>Jenny Lind soup: stock, sage, raw eggs, half pint of creme.
Uh, has anyone made this? Is it good? Asking for a friend

>> No.20638729

>>20638494
Isn't Boylan the one doing the cucking? Molly is only adulterating.

>> No.20639117

>>20636587
a lot of Ulysses experiments feel cinematic. The interpolations between scenes in Sirens feels quintessentially cinematic along with the musical climax corresponding serendipitously to our protagonists dramatic tension

>> No.20639134

>>20638729
He means he wants to be cucked by a Molly of his own

>> No.20639609

>Cheese digests all but itself. Mighty cheese.
had a solid kek

>> No.20639697

>>20639134
>>20638729
bloom is cucked by boylan because molly willingly adulterates. therefore molly cucks bloom by allowing bloom to be cucked.

>> No.20639984

Anyone else becoming keenly, uncomfortably aware of their own inner dialogue? I've even started subvocalising in (my) Bloom's voice. Ulysses is leaking into my life.

>> No.20639987

All is lost now.

>> No.20640169

>O, look we are so! Chamber music. Could make a kind of pun on that. It is a kind of music I often thought when she. Acoustics that is. Tinkling. Empty vessels make most noise. Because the acoustics, the resonance changes according as the weight of the water is equal to the law of falling water. Like those rhapsodies of Liszt's, Hungarian, gipsyeyed. Pearls. Drops. Rain. Diddle iddle addle addle ooddle ooddle. Hiss. Now. Maybe now. Before.
Sometimes I think Bloom is a normal dude and then I read passages where he likes to hear his wife piss and I realize maybe normal people actually do think about this and just don't share it with other people. You ever look at the people in your office or classroom and wonder what kind of shit they're into? That's what this made me think of.

>> No.20640228

>>20639984
i've always subvocalized, but now my thoughts seem so much more interesting

>> No.20640254

Just finished Læstrygonians. I am gaining on you like Zinfandel. What a wonderful chapter.

>> No.20640774

>>20640169
Had the exact same thought as you did, anon. I also worry that my brain is becoming more like Joyce's style in its herky jerky leaps and bounds of thought. Is this what it's like to no longer be a midwit?

>> No.20641898

every once in a while i come up with what i think is a very beautiful and clever way to phrase something, but joyce describes the same things i do with so much more skill.

>> No.20641935

>Black wary hecat walked towards Richie Goulding's legal bag, lifted aloft, saluting.
bloom is a catboy (confirms joyce)

>> No.20642314

>>20641898
Joyce is also a world class writer and chances are you haven't gotten there yet

>> No.20643306

>>20642314
i don't mean to compare myself to him-- the tone of my post was meant to be more appreciative than envious, but
>yet
gives me false hope. thanks anon

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While I know the journey is its own reward, I am lining up a couple of fun easy reads as reward for finishing this monster.

>> No.20644283

this book makes me want to start WRITING again

>> No.20644386

>>20644283
Post something anon.

>> No.20644387

>>20644283
Stop by /wg/ when you've got a few minutes. There's a lot of good resources there.

>> No.20644653

>Bravo! Clapclap. Goodman, Simon. Clappyclapclap. Encore! Clapclipclap. Sound as a bell. Bravo, Simon! Clapclopclap. Encore, enclap, said, cried, clapped all, Ben Dollard, Lydia Douce, George Lidwell, Pat, Mina, two gentlemen with two tankards, Cowley, first

Are we supposed to hear the claps etc? Or we supposed to just read the language? Both?

>> No.20645325

>>20644653
The claps are onomatopoeia. The text between is people shouting and cheering.

>> No.20645511

>Done.
OOOOOOkay you gassy jews, how did we feel about Sirens? Bronze and gold, being the precious metals they are, filled my mind as I read through. Poor old Bloom. A lot to unwrap in this chapter. Innuendos. Music, siren's song. The letter. The cucking. At four, she said. Again the language of flowers, floriography. Boylan on Bachelor's walk. Little Rudy to blame. Taptaptaptap tapping tapper taps another tap. Paul deKock. Pun. Punish me. Eunuchs. Baritones must have large...Sirens and song sirens sing song singsong singing. Learned a few new words here. Cachucha. Rubicund. Adipose Tissue. Milly married to Bloom not Bloom married to Milly. Mrs. Mariam Bloom not Mrs. Leopold Bloom. Secret letters them both but hers not so much.

Some highlights:
>He had received the rhino for the labour of his muse.
Unravel this for me, anons.
>A duodene of birdnotes chirruped bright treble answer under sensitive hands. Brightly the keys, all twinkling, linked, all harpsichording, called to a voice to sing the strain of dewy morn, of youth, of love's leavetaking, life's, love's morn.
>Braintipped, cheek touched with flame, they listened feeling that flow endearing flow over skin limbs human heart soul spine.
>Sea, wind, leaves, thunder, waters, cows lowing, the cattlemarket, cocks, hens don't crow, snakes hissss. There's music everywhere.
>The voice of dark age, of unlove, earth's fatigue made grave approach and painful, come from afar, from hoary mountains, called on good men and true.
>Thrill now. Pity they feel. To wipe away a tear for martyrs. For all things dying, for all things born.

Share some highlights, anons! Let's liven up the thread a bit.
>>20644283
Please share! Post a link I'd love to read something.
>>20644653
I might be retarded but I like to read them as the narrators brain registering the sound. Like when someone jumps your brain thinks the word jump. Adds to the stream of consciousness feel.
>>20643306
We're all gonna make int, anon. Just the fact that you're writing puts you ahead of most. Learn from Joyce.
>>20639609
There were some really great parts of this chapter that actually made me kek. Gotta remember to take more notes on the things I find funny, other anons may as well.

P.S. Really glad to be reading this with you fellows.

P.P.S. I took a sneak peek at Cyclops, it's dense. Good luck to all my dear jesuits!

>> No.20645660

>>20645511
It’s a small thing, but I loved how Joyce acknowledges the callback to Bloom’s weird diet.
>As said before he ate with relish the inner organs…
Such a small brilliant touch.
His descriptions of his first meetings with Molly are also beautiful. There’s something so bitter and yet so fond about them, like when you remember a nice memory of a dead relative.
>>20640169
I think we all have things we secretly think of like that that we never share with anyone because they feel too odd personal. I think the brilliance of Joyce is that he shows them to us in this incredibly realized character:
>>20636648
Tell us anon.
>>20636486
Church choirs are pretty keen anon. Worth a visit for a free concert at least I’d say.
I brought up Catholicism since it feels like he captures a lot of parts of the Catholic experience so well, the good and the bad. Might not come through as strongly if you spent most of your life as an Agnostic, though.
>>20641898
I feel you anon. I remember trying to come up with a way of saying, “everything after this point would be awful,” and I had all this flowery language to describe it. Then I read this line from McCarthy, “Doomed enterprises divide lives forever into the then and the now,” and I knew he already did it perfectly.
>>20644283
I know what you mean. Great writers like Joyce can really get you excited about the craft.

>> No.20646556

*saves the thread*

>> No.20646756

>>20645660
i love how it's phrased too. the inner organs of beasts and fowls. it feels so much more visceral

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>>20644283
I have learned a lot about humor, making words and references by reading this, but I've noticed I don't make so many notes as I normally do. I think a lot of what's going on is lost to me but at least I notice the Shakespeare and Bible references, among a few others. Every time I have to open the book I am thinking "oh boy here we go." Ulysses has such a different feel from other books I've read, it feels like a labyrinth, or a brain, a water condenser, an air conditioner.

>> No.20647341

>Body of white woman, a flute alive. Blow gentle. Loud. Three holes, all women.
Even Joyce knows women have three holes for fucking.
>Goddess I didn't see. They want it. Not too much polite. That's why he gets them. Gold in your pocket, brass in your face. With look to look. Songs without words.
A reference to gold and a good dick gets you all the women you want?
>Molly, that hurdygurdy boy. She knew he meant the monkey was sick. Or because so like the Spanish. Understand animals too that way. Solomon did. Gift of nature.
And a reference to Odysseus's wife being courted, I think?
I'm a little behind finishing Sirens but I'll catch up today and this weekend.

>> No.20647925

Sirens didn't really work for me. Got filtered too hard. I think there are some passages which can't be understood - simulating drunkenness? Then there are all these expressions. Irishisms? Being an ESL certainly doesn't help. Then there is all that singing interspersed with SoC - apparently JJ wanted to mimic counterpoint, but I can't tell. Then the tapping. What's with the tapping, anyway?

OTOH, I'm almost halfway-through Cyclops, and it's the funniest chapter since Telemachus. Easy to read too. Completely different style. Styles actually.

>> No.20648276

>>20647925
>Then the tapping. What's with the tapping, anyway?
It’s a getting nearer, taptiptap. So I just read aloud tap tap tap. But the taps kept coming, tap tap tap.
It’s frustration for the moment, tension building up.
Try reading sirens aloud it helps.
>Cyclops
Just started, can’t stop laughing. Phenomanon!

>>20647341
Kek

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JUST STARTED SIRENS REEEEEEE I'M COMING FOR YOU STINKING JESUITS GET READY TO FEEL MY KINCH

>> No.20648869

fuckkkkk still haven't finished sirens
got hooked to minecraft. forgive me joyce

>> No.20649074

>>20648869
>lapsing in your Joyce reading schedule for Minecraft
very 21st century post

>> No.20649166

>>20648869
In nomine domini you are not fogiven.

>> No.20649261

>Ulysses is scheduled to end just as graduate school starts
From the frying pan...

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>> No.20649485

>>20649261
What are you studying? Kinda curious what other anons in this thread do for work/school

>> No.20649494

>>20649485
not that anon but I'm a scientific researcher and trying to write fiction also, no fiction published yet

>> No.20649521

>>20649485
I'm an optical engineer. Probably the only one on the entire board, if not the whole site. I decided to go back for my MS against my will and just spring for the extra pay raise in 3 years, because either it's good for my career or the world collapses in 5 and it won't matter what I do now. I am a fiction writer; that's my true calling.

>> No.20649545

>>20649485
Software engineer with fast-fading filmmaking aspirations.

>> No.20649631

>>20647925
I interpreted the tapping as the sound of the mollys bed rocking. Also was kind of funny that the musical episode ended with JJs favourite sound (and smell): farts

>> No.20649791

>>20649631
I thought it was the cane? Well at first I may have missed something and I just thought it was a noise until it mentioned the tapping cane.

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>>20648804
Where does anti-Jesuit sentiment come from? I've heard the conspiracies but I don't think I've ever met a Jesuit before so I don't really have a frame of reference.

>> No.20649928

>>20649811
I thought it was just Joyce taking the piss out of Mulligan

>> No.20650685

>>20649485
med school but i fucking hate it and i wish i could quit

>> No.20650708

by the way, i think there's some significance in how Joyce renders the word "Afterwards" in Douce's voice:
>—Afterwits, miss Douce promised coyly.
as a callback to Scylla and Charybdis, where Stephen experiences "Afterwit." I don't know exactly what the significance is, though

>> No.20650734

Siren, in all its musicality, has moments where it connects sentences over paragraphs by their meter, for example:
>Jingle jaunted down the quays. Blazes sprawled on bounding tyres.
>He puffed a pungent plumy blast. [also notice alliteration]
these are all written in catalectic tetrameter. but the first two sentences [Jingle . . . Blazes . . .] are in trochaic tetrameter whereas the third sentence [He puffed . . .] is in iambic tetrameter.
no idea what i'm saying. either way it's all very musical. and i love it

>> No.20650752

>>20650734
ah, i forgot to mention. it's a callback to Proteus

>> No.20650955

>>20650708
I thought it was some kind of allusion to people who don't have an original thought of their own but parrot witticisms they've heard after the fact

>> No.20651215

>>20650955
afterwit is like the whole being in the shower and remembering something that could have helped you win an argument thing

>> No.20651475

>>20651215
>Joyce invented shower arguments before showers were commonplace
true genius.

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>>20651215
This is the only way I can write anything smart is by doing a full retard first draft, then really think about what I said and why it wasn't smart. Also me practicing winking at girls hours after I had my chance to and then realizing maybe it wasn't the best way to get attention.

>> No.20652104

>>20651637
>Also me practicing winking at girls
truly a joycean

>> No.20652114

deá-Takfirism

>> No.20652721

How are you guys holding up? I'm getting filtered very bad rn
I liked Dubliners and The Portrait, But Ulysses is just hard to read while staying focused. I'm at the Cyclops, but think of putting this book away for now and come back to it after some time

>> No.20652775

>>20652721
I'm doing alright. When I don't understand something I focus on the sound of the words instead. I'm not trying to uncover every reference and detail, I'm just trying to enjoy the book as a pleasure piece.

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>>20652721
I don't attempt to understand everything, and Joyce had said he left an absurd amount of riddles and puzzles. Honestly, take away what you do understand. I'm making notes on interesting techniques and references but I'm not dwelling on anything, and the humor is also worth it. Since I read different kinds of things in parallel, I will probably start and finish Dubliners before I finish Ulysses.

>> No.20652806

Don't! besides a few parodistic asides (which are skimmable), Cyclops is quite manageable. Firstly, realize that it is being narrated after the fact (5:00PM at some bar with Bloom and an anti-semite) by some broke bloke distorting the facts. That bloke, nonetheless, pulls a decent Henry James impression out of his ass when mock describing Bloom and Doyan's condolences to Paddy Dignam.

>-- Let me, said he, so far presume upon our acquaintance which, however slight it may appear if judged by the standard of mere time, is founded, as I hope and believe, on a sentiment of mutual esteem, as to request of you this favour. But, should I have overstepped the limits of reserve let the sincerity of my feelings be the excuse for my boldness.

>-- No, rejoined the other, I appreciate to the full the motives which actuate your conduct and I shall discharge the office you entrust to me consoled by the reflection that, though the errand be one of sorrow, this proof of your confidence sweetens in some measure the bitterness of the cup.

>-- Then suffer me to take your hand, said he. The goodness of your heart, I feel sure, will dictate to you better than my inadequate words the expressions which are most suitable to convey an emotion whose poignancy, were I to give vent to my feelings, would deprive me even of speech.

even though Bob is fuck drunk

>> No.20652827

Damn, I'm like halfway through Oxen of the Sun but I haven't been reading it lately for other things. This thread might motivate me to synchronise up and finally finish the book.

>> No.20652953

>>20647925
>>20649631
>>20649791
It's the tapping of the cane of the blind piano-tuner coming back for his forgotten tuning fork.

>> No.20653206

>>20652721
Cyclops it’s hilarious. Same as sirens.

>> No.20653727

>/lit/ reads Ulysses

Boring! Wake me for /lit/ reads Call of the Crocodile

>> No.20653751

>>20653727
Ulysses is required reading for CotC noob. It's essentially a prequel

>> No.20653856

>>20653206
>The delegation, present in full force, consisted of Commendatore Bacibaci Beninobenone (the semiparalysed doyen of the party who had to be assisted to his seat by the aid of a powerful steam crane), Monsieur Pierrepaul Petitépatant, the Grandjoker Vladinmire Pokethankertscheff, the Archjoker Leopold Rudolph von Schwanzenbad-Hodenthaler, Countess Marha Virága Kisászony Putrápesthi, Hiram Y. Bomboost, Count Athanatos Karamelopulos, Ali Baba Backsheesh Rahat Lokum Effendi, Señor Hidalgo Caballero Don Pecadillo y Palabras y Paternoster de la Malora de la Malaria, Hokopoko Harakiri, Hi Hung Chang, Olaf Kobberkeddelsen, Mynheer Trik van Trumps, Pan Poleaxe Paddyrisky, Goosepond Prhklstr Kratchinabritchisitch, Borus Hupinkoff, Herr Hurhausdirektorpresident Hans Chuechli-Steuerli, Nationalgymnasiummuseumsanatoriumandsuspensoriumsordinaryprivatdocentgeneralhistoryspecialprofessordoctor Kriegfried Ueberallgemein.
I started giggling halfway through this, and also this:
>The figure seated on a large boulder at the foot of a round tower was that of a broadshouldered deepchested stronglimbed frankeyed redhaired freelyfreckled shaggybearded widemouthed largenosed longheaded deepvoiced barekneed brawnyhanded hairylegged ruddyfaced, sinewyarmed hero.
The comma at the end made me burst out laughing. I don't know if it's in every edition but it is in my Wordsworth classic.

>> No.20654263

>terrible affair that General Slocum explosion
kek how does he keep getting away with it??

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