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[Anonymous No.20581264]

>Art is a selective re-creation of reality according to an artist’s metaphysical value-judgments. Man’s profound need of art lies in the fact that his cognitive faculty is conceptual, i.e., that he acquires knowledge by means of abstractions, and needs the power to bring his widest metaphysical abstractions into his immediate, perceptual awareness. Art fulfills this need: by means of a selective re-creation, it concretizes man’s fundamental view of himself and of existence.

[Anonymous No.20581279]

>>20581264
*plagiarizes Nietzsche*

[Anonymous No.20581312]

>>20581264
>art is a reflection of the personality of the artist
damn, groundbreaking

[Anonymous No.20581470]

>>20581279
>Nietzsche
Who?

[Anonymous No.20581544]

>>20581264
Where is the music of Beethoven found in reality

[Anonymous No.20581557]

>>20581544
In the music of Beethoven.

[Anonymous No.20581564]

>>20581557
If the music is a recreation of reality where is that reality

[Anonymous No.20581570]

>>20581264
Sounds right. If not extremely insightful.

[Anonymous No.20581635]

>>20581564
Do you like Beethoven's music? Do you think it sounds right? Then, according to yourself, the reality of his music is the same reality your life exists in. If not, then it's the reality other people live in, and you might not.

[Anonymous No.20581697]

>>20581544
In the moment the notes reach a sentient beings brain and get analyzed and interpreted, judged and weighted, scored and valued

[Anonymous No.20581750]

>>20581635
What the fuck are you even talking about. Op is saying art is imitation. Music cannot be imitation. The proposition that art is imitation is thus refuted.

[Anonymous No.20581756]

>>20581544
>This brings us to the subject of music.
>Music cannot tell a story, it cannot deal with concretes, it cannot convey a specific existential phenomenon, such as a peaceful countryside or a stormy sea. The theme of a composition entitled "Spring Song" is not spring, but the emotions which spring evoked in the composer. Even concepts which, intellectually, belong to a complex level of abstraction, such as "peace," "revolution," "religion," are too specific, too concrete to be expressed in music. All that music can do with such themes is to convey the emotions of serenity, or defiance, or exaltation. Liszt's "St. Francis Walking on the Waters" was inspired by a specific legend, but what it conveys is passionately dedicated struggle and triumph-by whom and in name of what, is for each individual to supply.

[Anonymous No.20581774]

>>20581756
>The fundamental difference between music and the other arts lies in the fact that music is experienced as if it reversed man's normal psycho-epistemological process.
>The other arts create a physical object (i.e., an object perceived by man's senses, be it a book or a painting) and the psycho-epistemological process goes from the perception of the object to the conceptual grasp of its meaning, to an appraisal in terms of one's basic premises, to a consequent emotion. The pattern is: from perception-to conceptual understanding-to appraisal-to emotion.
>The pattern of the process involved in music is: from perception-to emotion-to appraisal-to conceptual understanding.

[Anonymous No.20581792]

>>20581756
>>20581774
Look at this bitch, that who FtM therapy was developed for, so she can join the 40% before it can vomit the filth on it's mind unto pages

[Anonymous No.20581801]

>>20581750
>Op is saying art is imitation
Far from it. In fact, Rand condemns art that is purely imitative as "naturalistic" (a word which she used in a pejorative sense and not in the usual sense art criticism uses).

Art is a concretized form of man's ideas about reality, about what is important in reality, about what is good and evil in reality. It is, thus, the concrete representation of your IDEAS first and foremost, even if those ideas ultimately had their origin in reality. But even surrealistic or abstract art is art by Rand's criteria, even if she would judge it to come from a degenerate sense of life.

Music, for her, is the concrete representation of the emotions the composer associates to something. Beethoven's music is the result of Beethoven giving concrete form to his appraisal of some fact of reality (the theme of a given composition), based on his sense of life.

[Anonymous No.20581812]

>>20581801
>But even surrealistic or abstract art is art by Rand's criteria
I'm going to just add a quick retification before some smartass comes along: I actually think Rand herself doesn't consider abstract art to be art in the light if it being non-representational. She also doesn't consider photography art because she doesn't consider it re-creative of reality. I think she's being inconsistent with both of those, as they do fit her criteria with art. Abstract art in particular would just be art that comes from, as I said, a degenerate sense of life that sees reality as a chaos where nothing makes sense and which is impervious to reason.

[Anonymous No.20581915]

>>20581801
>Music, for her, is the concrete representation of the emotions the composer associates to something.
Why can't all art be that way? The content of art is fairly immaterial compared to the form. It is very limiting to say that the plastic arts must be imitative. Compare Renaissance painting with Baroque painting. The form of Renaissance art was perfect proportion where everything is perfectly outlined and colors are never mixed. Everything stands alone. But the form of Baroque painting is movement. Baroque painting replicates what the moving eye actually sees in an instant. Unlike the Renaissance, outlines are now blurred and colors are mixed. The aesthetic idea, proportion, movement, governs all, which can be seen in how differently two painters from different periods can depict the same thing. It doesn't matter what they depict, it's how they depict it. All art is musical in the sense that form is paramount.

[× I V R I V S × !!GgBWHLRiayD No.20582141]

Comprehension implies personalistic appropriation; through experiential transversion, one texturally recontects/resynthesizes/recreates the essence of what is external to one into one's comprehension/imperience, adding its form to one's mindspace —to one's "belt"; under one's "petal".

Consensus of texture; contecture of pressure.

[Anonymous No.20582351]

>>20582141
Why be so obscurantist?

[Anonymous No.20582374]

>>20582351
he took rei's mundus project way too seriously and decided to base a tripcode personality around the style that rei used there

[Anonymous No.20582410]

>>20581264
definitions like this always attempt to be all-encompassing, but really they're just ridiculous if you actually think about them, 90% of "art" is just advertising and signaling for businesses. is anyone really contemplating the metaphysics of the three quarter shot and the 10 seconds of sampled tame impala in the latest toyota yaris commercial?

[× I V R I V S × !!GgBWHLRiayD No.20582443]

>>20582351


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If what I wrote seems obscure to you you can always research the etymology, or ask to explain something.

[Anonymous No.20582621]

>>20581915
>Why can't all art be that way?
In the Romantic Manifesto I think I remember her saying that music was special due to it jumping straight from perception to feeling as the sounds themselves aren't inherently symbols for anything. A sound can sound sad without associating it to anything specific, unlike a picture or even a color, therefor no interpretation of it as art needs to happen for it to be fully appreciated as art.

I can show you a happy painting with a sad song behind it, and the painting would look sadder, the audio overpowers and undermines the visual in a way that doesn't happen the other way around. There's no painting I could show you that would make the sad song sound deceptively happy.

[Anonymous No.20582814]

>>20581264
I don't pay attention to ugly people or women. They are always bitter at the world and their arguments are really long-winded ways of asking for gibs.

[Anonymous No.20582818]

>>20581544
Music is a craft not an art

[Anonymous No.20582824]

>>20581312
Metaphysical value-judgments aren't "personality"

[Anonymous No.20582836]

>>20581750
Art most certainly is imitation even if it is not a visual representation. Art imitates the general system of nature. Music as mathematical universality, etc., and the allowance of artists to 'perfect' the accidental to approach metaphysically purer forms

[Anonymous No.20582882]

>>20581915
If you consider what the different Italian schools were trying to get at with representation, including its rules, then form very much falls under the guidance of content. They're not so easily separated.

[× I V R I V S × !!GgBWHLRiayD No.20582896]

>>20582374


Incidentally, Ayn Rand also was in syncord with this type of style; I have categorized & termed this autistic orthogrammatical/fashionstyle: "A N G E L T E C H" : Martial (Millennial) Techleisure; it is characterized by convertive correction, and perfect precision.

[× I V R I V S × !!GgBWHLRiayD No.20582916]

>>20582374


Incidentally, Ayn Rand also was in syncord with this type of style; I have categorized & termed this autistic orthogrammatical/fashionstyle: "A N G E L T E C H" : Martial (Millennial) Techleisure; it is characterized by convertive correction, and perfect precision.

[Anonymous No.20583651]

>>20581264
Literally refute this. I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.20583656]

>>20582916
it took two years, but you finally got a laugh out of me
good one

[Anonymous No.20583855]

>>20581264
She's right.

[Anonymous No.20583951]

>>20581264
>More like Ayn RANT am I right?
>HARHARAHARAHAR

[Anonymous No.20584259]

Why does she make low achievers seethe so much?

[Anonymous No.20584435]

>>20582824
They both come from the same place (the body) regardless