Dialogue in Dostoevsky's Demons

[Anonymous No.20576453]

So far I've been really enjoying the book and I haven't had any trouble with the dialogues. Then I reached Part II, Chapter 1, subparts 2 and 3 - basically where we have Stepan Trofimovich recall what he talked about with his son Pyotr Stepanovich, and then the dialogue between Pyotr Stepanovich and Nikolay Stavrogin.
I re-read some parts several times and I just couldn't make sense of a large chunk of what was said. I sense a great deal of anxiety and agitation in both Stepan and Pyotr, and while this state is somewhat natural for Stepan, it was still odd seeing him speak so disjointedly - I could only glean some sense from his words when he was talking about something revolutionary, but it was still really vague and unclear.
Pyotr had, so far, spoken eloquently and to the point, and seeing him flustered, shifting his weight from foot to foot and waving his hands while babbling incomprehensibly was jarring.
My question is - am I right in thinking that Stepan feels intimidated by Nikolay Stavrogin and that he wants something (vaguely alluded to) from him which makes him act like a fool and babble on and on without seemingly getting to the point, or is there something about the dialogues that has evaded me so far?
Pyotr meandered his way to a few clear sentences at the end of part 3, those about atheism, the Internationale and Fedka, the convict from Siberia, whom Pyotr seems to hint is a possible tool for doing something illegal and untoward, but were these parts clearer on purpose or did I get filtered by the rest of his speech?
tl;dr - I was just blasted by pages of anxiety-ridden dialogue about something-but-nothing in particular (Part II, chapter 1). What's happening?

[Anonymous No.20576457]

No one here reads.

[Anonymous No.20576462]

pyotr is a weird chaotic weasel

[Anonymous No.20576466]

>>20576453
Just to add that I did notice Pyotr explain to Nikolay "instance: I always talk a great deal, that is, I use a lot of words, and I talk very fast, and nothing ever comes out of me. And why do I use so many words and nothing ever comes out of me? Because I don’t know how to talk." and it seems that this particular dialogue serves to demonstrate it, but I fail to see the reason why he's babbling just then, in front of someone who he's supposedly spent a long time with abroad and in Petersburg. >>20576457
I do

[Anonymous No.20576480]

>>20576466
he just babbles and confabulates, he spews fucking bullshit nonstop as a tactic to disorient people. it's a weird power play that disarms people

[Anonymous No.20576481]

>>20576462
I'm starting to think that, but he presented himself in an entirely different light when we met him on that fateful Sunday at Varvara's.

[Anonymous No.20576486]

>>20576481
of course he did

[Anonymous No.20576487]

>>20576480
I'm starting to see, thank you!

[Anonymous No.20576516]

>>20576453
"am I right in thinking that PYOTR feels intimidated by Nikolay" not Stepan, sorry

[Anonymous No.20576523]

christ why cant you people just read the damn books instead of stopping asking stupid questions like a woman staring at her phone during a movie

let me be perfectly blunt: pyotr is an utter fucking lunatic and what you are describing is his mask slipping, which happens particularly when he is alone with stovrogin because stovrogin is basically his muse and the key to his deranged political fantasies

[Anonymous No.20576546]

>>20576523
Asking if I'm being filtered and therefore should learn a thing or two before continuing is not a stupid question.
Reddit spacing is quite cringe, mon ami.

[Anonymous No.20576577]

>>20576546
everything you need to learn is in the fucking book

[Anonymous No.20576595]

>>20576523
>>20576577
kys nigger, it's not his fault you're a chronically angry 35 year old still living with his parents

[Anonymous No.20576640]

>>20576595
>character in private shows a different side of himself that isn't the generic polite face most people use in public spaces
>OMG IM GOING INSANE AM I BEING FILTERED PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS COMPLEX CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT WHAT IS HAPPENING AAAAAAAAAH

[Anonymous No.20577934]

>>20576546
If you had to ask if you were filted you were already filtered to begin with

[Anonymous No.20577944]

>>20576577
>everything you need to learn is in the fucking book
Pleb plot reader found

[Anonymous No.20579427]

>>20577944
checkd and kekd

[Anonymous No.20581275]

The real demons were the political ideologies we made along the way

[Anonymous No.20581340]

>>20577944
literally everything OP wants to know is clearly layed out in the book