Gravity's Rainbow

[Anonymous No.20573253]

Some questions for the real pyncholes:

1. Why does Pointsman think Slothrop is a monster?

2. What does he think he's going to learn?

3. Pointsman means a child when he says "Fox" but what does Spectro mean? A dog?

Additionally, I'm only now understanding how much of the book is about losing his buddy Richard Fariña. People saying his early books have no heart? Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.20573255]

damn son where'd ya find that cover?

[Anonymous No.20573290]

>>20573253
Soulless husk of a book. Only good scene was the English candies

[Anonymous No.20573297]

>>20573290
Why soulless? And why did that scene stand out particularly?

[Anonymous No.20573326]

>>20573297
Idk. It’s one of the only scenes I remember fondly from like 8 years ago. I found the rest forgettable. I felt it was soulless because it seemed like a STEM guy trying his hand at literature. The “fuck the war, they were in love” or whatever was nice too. All the other passages I remember seen try hard

[Anonymous No.20573343]

>>20573326
weird, he def wasn't a stem guy
it def can be a mushy mess when you dont know wtf he's talking about
and there are def passages that either barely make sense...
or just do not make sense
can't blame you
do you remember anything else? just curious where it was effective

[Anonymous No.20573410]

>>20573343
I remember a bunch of parts but nothing that sticks coherently. The stages octopus attack, the pedo scene on the ship and the girl hanging, slothtrop being chased, fucking and escaping out a window where tourists or rich people were hanging out, the banana guy, the dog that talks to the man walking with a toilet on his foot, the villain putting the guy in a rocket for the finale, the black men who worshipped the rocket, their leader being a half brother to some guy whose name started with Tc…, the adenoid, slothtrop disintegrating, Dillinger etc. I remember a lot of little shit, but nothing that I found profound, entertaining, or makes me want to reread it

[Anonymous No.20573447]

>>20573410
lol comprehensive

[Anonymous No.20573480]

>>20573447
I never claimed otherwise. GR isn’t a book you could read one time almost a decade ago and summarize clearly, especially if you didn’t care for it and forgot it. You were asking what else I remembered so I vomited it out. Not my cup of tea at all.

[Anonymous No.20573488]

>>20573290
fpbp

the whole book isnt about anything other than pynchon trying to impress you

[Anonymous No.20573496]

>>20573488
i'm so impressed though?

[Anonymous No.20573505]

>>20573343
he was a stem guy. he went to cornell for engineering autistry and then worked at boeing. how can someone miss this about pynchon. how do you read gravitys rainbow and not realize he worked in defense/military industrial complex engineering hell. are you retarded???

[Anonymous No.20573514]

>>20573410
this is so accurate. i finished a week ago. tedious, lascivious boomer garbage

[Anonymous No.20573523]

>>20573496
It’s impressive in the way of someone vomiting continuously for a minute straight is impressive. Kinda cool for a second, but when you think about it, it’s like “so, what?”. Pynchon threw a lot of shit at the wall, but what does it matter in the end? 90% of postmodern literature is gimmicky and forgettable

[Anonymous No.20573528]

>>20573505
Oh I thought he left uni for the navy, then returned to uni to study literature then did technical writing at boeing (he did) who's the retard now fuckface?

[Anonymous No.20573536]

>>20573523
which 10% isn't gimmicky and forgettable?

[Anonymous No.20573561]

>>20573514
why?

[Anonymous No.20573644]

>>20573528
You’re both right. He studied engineering first, quit and joined the navy, then came back and studied lit8y4m8

[Anonymous No.20573814]

>>20573528

i guess the best thing about being as retarded as you is you can be cocky because you dont even realize how retarded you are

so bravo for that

[Anonymous No.20573826]

>>20573814
>taking calc and dropping out makes you a stem guy

[Anonymous No.20573835]

>>20573826
>taking a calc class is equivalent to getting a scholarship to major in engineering at an ivy league

again, bravo. i admire that in you.
maybe if i were as stupid as you i could be more confident

[Anonymous No.20574849]

>>20573826
this guy gets it

>>20573835
face it, you're not just wrong on one point but a bunch =) learn, grow, and:

https://youtu.be/v4PG-zPHx4E?t=15

[Anonymous No.20574870]

>>20573290
Filtered hard

[Anonymous No.20574894]

>>20573826
what are you going on about bro? Do you know how prestigious Cornell used to be? He was literally being groomed to be high clearance CIA/COINTELPRO, and very well could be, given the vast amounts of insider knowledge he displays in GR and even The Bleeding Edge. He was absolutely a STEM kid, and is obviously a genius. The prose isn' a "mushy mess" that doesn't make sense, you just can understand it. Filtered

[Anonymous No.20574900]

>>20573253
The average Pynchon reader reads Pynchon because he is known for being difficult, and that makes the reader think that they, themselves, are smart. Most of his fans are insufferable

[Anonymous No.20574914]

>20 replies
>5 posters
lmao this one guy really needs you to know that he was totally UNIMPRESSED with this FORGETTABLE book. he's going to write about it fifty times in this thread and he's going to watch the catalog like a hawk for more pynchon threads he can use to express just how much he DOESN'T CARE and DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBER and JUST ISN'T IMPRESSED.

i swear to god when this type of cretin reads something acclaimed and doesn't get it he just becomes eternally butthurt at god knows what. you didn't like a book you retard, move on

[Anonymous No.20574916]

>>20574900
No, that's DFW

[Anonymous No.20574920]

>>20574894
Ivies were less prestigious back then lol. Really, they were. And "STEM kid"? Wowee I was a stem kid too look at my SATs and my SAT IIs holy moley mister.

>The prose isn' a "mushy mess" that doesn't make sense, you just can understand it. Filtered
this is true

[Anonymous No.20574927]

>>20574900
>Most of his fans are insufferable
You mean on message boards. IRL is:

>>20574916
heckin lonnnnng book amirite fellow smart person

[Anonymous No.20574933]

>>20574914
Oh look it's the Pynchon Early Defense Ops holding down the shift key. Go gettem, tiger.

[Anonymous No.20574937]

>>20574933
Oh look it's a filtered retard

[Anonymous No.20574958]

>>20574937
No, no, don't get me, get Them. The tards, pard.

[Anonymous No.20574965]

>>20574900
god, i know. i went out to get a sandwich the other day and there were all these pynchon fans all over the place, all talking about how smart they were and reading difficult passages at young women without their consent and bullying some poor guy on a wheelchair for reading jonathan franzen. something has to be done about those pynchon fans - we can't go on living like this.

[Anonymous No.20574982]

>>20574933
oh look, it's the guy that got laughed out of a previous thread for thinking the word "obscurantist" was spelled "obscuronic" or whatever. i can tell it's you, you type the same shit over and over again because you're mentally ill. it's FORGETTABLE, it's so FORGETTABLE, i have to remind everyone one more time that i found it FORGETTABLE

[Anonymous No.20575001]

>>20574982
I was talking about where the stress goes on the word obscurantist. Name 3 (three) things memorable Gravity's Rainbow. Go:

[Anonymous No.20575011]

>>20573253
>33 replies
>0 answers for OP

[Anonymous No.20575038]

>>20574958
Who was this gal again

[Anonymous No.20575131]

>>20575038
Nyatasha Kotova Nyanners III, you fucking mongoloid. It takes two seconds to search for the image.

[Anonymous No.20575179]

>>20575131
This is what google gave me you cunt I was forced to ask here

[Anonymous No.20575263]

>>20575179
protip always use tineye.com
google is basically broken

[Anonymous No.20575271]

>>20574920
You sound like you browse reddit.

[Anonymous No.20575289]

>>20575271
haha the being wrong to hurr reddit pipeline
every time... we need to bring pillories back

[Anonymous No.20575347]

>>20575001
every sentence is a delight

[Anonymous No.20575380]

>>20575263

Google image search worked very well circa 2013. Then they updated and broke it

[Anonymous No.20575399]

>>20575380
i blame moot

[Anonymous No.20575416]

>>20575001
>I was talking about where the stress goes on the word obscurantist.
lol you know this place is archived, right? i looked it up, this is what you wrote in that thread:
>[Pynchon] is an obfuscatist and the only reason he is known at all is because the difficulty of his books
i'm not going to list "memorable" things for you, that's retarded, you're just going to say "no they aren't." instead i'm going to sit here and laugh at you thinking "obfuscatist" was a word and being still so assblasted about it a week later you have to make up lies. one could say you were rather obfuscatist about the truth

[Anonymous No.20575426]

>>20575416
What is a neologism?

[Anonymous No.20575445]

>>20575426
you never told me in that thread what it is a neologism for, exactly...

[Anonymous No.20575491]

>>20575426
i know, you didn't make a mistakation, it was simple inventorishness. you haven't made a mistakation in your life.

[Anonymous No.20575497]

>>20575380
well They don't want you using it

[Anonymous No.20575514]

>>20575416
i was busting your balls about "obscurantist"... you really think you're arguing with the same anonymous person? why? because of the Pynchon Early Defense Ops joke? =\

>i'm not going to list "memorable" things for you, that's retarded
you should, i'm a fan of pinecone and want to know...

[Anonymous No.20575549]

>>20575445
>>20575491
What does obfuscate mean? Who is someone who obfuscates? Add -ist. There you have a new word

[Anonymous No.20575555]

>>20575549
obscufascism

[Anonymous No.20575559]

>>20575555
I wanted a noun for a person

[Anonymous No.20575597]

>>20575559
nouns aren't people they're words ]:

[Anonymous No.20575601]

>>20573536
Byron the bulb

[Anonymous No.20575678]

>>20575549
>Who is someone who obfuscates?
Not tommy, that's for sure. Just had to confirm you were announcing your filtration

[Anonymous No.20575703]

>>20573290
You didn't read it. Everyone knows the last 100 pages are incredible.

[Anonymous No.20576309]

>>20575703
*every 100 pages

[Anonymous No.20576339]

>>20575001
and the talking dog

[Anonymous No.20576611]

>>20576339
always with the talking dogs

[Anonymous No.20576728]

>>20573253
>What does he think he's going to learn
Pointsman is a pavlovian. He was interested in Slothrop's reverse conditioning

>What does Spectro mean
"Kevin Spectro will take his syringe and spike away a dozen times tonight, into the dark, to sedate Fox (his generic term for any patient—run three times around the building without thinking of a fox and you can cure anything"

[Anonymous No.20576760]

>>20576728
>Why does Pointsman think Slothrop is a monster
Pointsman is an asshole who only cares about his experiments, it might be dramatic irony. There is also the reverse causality, it would be silly to suppose no bombs would drop without Slothrop's presence but he might be blaming him for the bombs. There is also Slothrop's history, which might be repugnant to Pointsman. I think the passage should be read ironically though.

[Anonymous No.20576769]

>>20575001
>The dropping of the nuclear bomb
>Slothrop finding Bianca
>Slothrop entering the Forbidden Wing

[Anonymous No.20576905]

>>20573253
>Why does Pointsman think Slothrop is a monster?
Have you *seen* his F score?

[Anonymous No.20577140]

>>20575011
Its a difficult book and a board of midwits, nobody has finished it but everyone has an opinion on it.

[Anonymous No.20577805]

>>20576905
actually, that's fair

>>20576728
re spectro, why is he saying this word through eventyr for pointsman then? if there is an answer

>>20576760
fair 'nough

>>20576769
Of course the Pynchon Early Defense Op guy remembers the child thing wow

[Anonymous No.20577943]

>>20577805
The section from Moruturi revealing the mom is a child murder is the most anxiety-inducing and disturbing part of the book, its very memorable

>Spectro
Not sure. Maybe its a warning. There was a passage after the introduction of Spectro where its revealed his ward is full of "children of the lord of the night praying for their master", aka rocket victims. Whatever the case, its a throwaway line, doesn't come up again.

[Anonymous No.20578039]

>>20577943
thanks

[Anonymous No.20578243]

>>20573326
this all seems like shit you heard about the book and used as an excuse to not really read it

[Anonymous No.20578261]

>>20573253
>nobody can actually answer these questions despite enthusiastically fellating pynchon

[Anonymous No.20578264]

>>20578261
Ur a little late m9

[Anonymous No.20578275]

>>20578261
i think 1 and 3 were satisfactorily answered

[Anonymous No.20578318]

>>20578261
Its a dense book. Pynchon is erudite and cryptic and thematically schizophrenic, without having access to his bookshelf and notes its impossible to connect all the dots. And the questions have all been answered in this thread :/

>>20578275
Whats wrong with 2? Thats the clearest, Pointsman is a pavlovian and Slothrop was subject to some experiment which makes him react to stimuli prior to the stimuli. Thats a huge discovery, and Pointsman is an ambitious scientist.

[Anonymous No.20578334]

>>20578318
>Whats wrong with 2?
So those points are right, but what is Pointsman's plan? It's something sinister and unsaid that scares even someone as demented as Katje? Like what is the mechanism by which he will learn what's going on in Slothrop's brain?

[Anonymous No.20578336]

>>20578334
Read and find out

[Anonymous No.20578337]

>>20578243
See the other post. Get over the fact that others can hate books you like

[Anonymous No.20578361]

>>20578337
so full of emotion!!

[Anonymous No.20578811]

>>20573326
thats cute that's the only part you liked, some corny generic shit. I think it's a fantastic book in it's own way, and that way is somewhat soulless and inaccurate to humanity, while being accurate to perhaps government and military or some shit, thats what I got out of it. He was designed to accoplish a task through his manipulated erections.

[Anonymous No.20578820]

>>20578811
Sounds cool and worthwhile

[Anonymous No.20579855]

>>20578811
>it's
discarded

[Anonymous No.20580274]

[Anonymous No.20580841]

>>20575263
Thanks for the tip

[Anonymous No.20581354]

>>20580841
don't be disgusting

[Anonymous No.20581665]

>>20575678
=)
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[Anonymous No.20581988]

holy shit all the crazy guy's posts have been deleted LOL