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Anyone else appreciate Joanna Newsom's lyrics? She has this uncanny voice and excellent kind of neo-folk harp style that are interesting enough in their own right, but god damn she's really a wonderful poet. Here's the opening to her song 'Sapokanikan':

>The cause is Ozymandian
>The map of Sapokanikan
>Is sanded and bevelled
>The land lone and levelled
>By some unrecorded and powerful hand

It just gets better from there, and this is a song about John Purroy Mitchel, some random politician from the Tammany hall era of New York politics. She's also a vivid and imaginative storyteller. Here's an excerpt from 'Waltz of the 101st Lightborne' which is about an army that goes back in time to fight itself:

>I had a dream that I walked in the garden
>Of Chabot, and those telescope ruins
>It was there that I called to my true love
>Who was pale as millennial moons
>Honey, where did you come by that wound?

>When I woke, he was gone
>And the War had begun
>In eternal return and repeat
>Calling, Where in the hell are the rest of your fellow
>One Hundred-One Lightborne Elite?

Such an inventive artist. Any of you plebs ever listened to her stuff?

>> No.20564468

On A Good Day is a very beautiful song about a miscarriage. I used to work with her mom at an outdoor school in the Sierra nevadas. I always wanted to ask her about her daughter but I was like 18 at the time and thought that would make me look weird.

>> No.20564502

Can't get past the voice.

>> No.20564614

>>20564446
no, but I appreciate her music and her ass

>> No.20564635

>>20564446
The way she sings is annoying and I don’t care about her writing.

>> No.20564644

>>20564446
So beautiful it must have been written by a man.

>> No.20564648

>>20564446
I love her music and Ys is one of my all time favourite albums, probably top five. She does also have a nice big bum.

>> No.20564658 [DELETED] 

>>20564446
Like every modern pretty female she's happy with the castration and molestation of children by queers.

When I see any young creative woman all I see is someone who needs to be flogged into silence and clad in a burka.

Same with older women but past 40 they have no redeeming qualities or skills and should just be hung.

>> No.20564718

>>20564502
>>20564635

Filtered. You like listening to the type of woman who sings over a retarded club beat and sounds like a man half the time?

>> No.20564729

>>20564718
No, I don’t like listening to women at all.

>> No.20564746 [DELETED] 

>>20564658

you are retarded, and I don't mean that in the cool post-lit way. Newsom's songs are functionally reactionary, odes to motherhood and the labor of recapturing an uncommodified femininity. A politics of stagnation with nothing but vitriol at the center of it all will never offer the slightest resistance to contemporary liberalism.

>> No.20564751

>>20564729

the gayest man,

>> No.20564763

>>20564446
>>>/mu/ fuck off back to your containment board with your pseud singer who is only capable of namedropping — not producing anything substantive

>> No.20564767

>>20564446
Sounds faggy and tryhard. I’d rather read Rupi Kaur

>> No.20564768

>>20564763

how does she engage in "namedropping" — what the fuck does that even mean in this context?

>> No.20564776

>>20564768
Are all Joanna Grifter fans genuinely this retarded?

>> No.20564781 [DELETED] 

>>20564658
man I'm 40, I should probably go younger then I guess

but yeah I've noticed a pattern insoasmuch that replacing women with artificial wombs and sex dolls is looking better every day.

>> No.20564785

>>20564776

nice try moron. answer the question. does 'namedropping' mean writing about real people? invoking the names of places and things, instead of whimsical detached faggotry that can sift through a listener's mind without provoking anything at all? seems like an odd indictment

>> No.20564800

>>20564785
> instead of whimsical detached faggotry that can sift through a listener's mind without provoking anything at all
Perfectly captured her music. Glad we are on the same page now.

>> No.20564808

>>20564502
Same. I don't get it. Her voice just sounds silly to me. I can't take any of it seriously.

>> No.20564812

>>20564751
Whatever, faggot. I’m not the one listening to a woman screeching.

>> No.20564814

>>20564800

you haven't actually backed up your first claim. did gpt-3 escape pol? do you just spit out whatever vapid echoes manage to worm their way out of your excuse for a mind without ever considering them?

>> No.20564816

>>20564812

no, you're the one listening to men crooning. does it make you hard?

>> No.20564819

>>20564814
It’z quite sad that you are getting this worked up and seething over some mediocre tryhard woman whose incapable of writing anything worth listening to, hence she just has to use reference-after-reference for her lack of depth. Keep crying, /mu/tard, and go back to your shit board.

>> No.20564829

>>20564816
Who says I do? I don’t listen to neither men nor women screeching or crooning. But I bet listening to your Joana screeching while her jew husband fucks her makes you jizz all over the place being the cuckold that you are.

>> No.20564833

>>20564819

> you-you-you're getting worked up!

cope. seconds of my time to watch a retard like you try to take a stand on the flimsiest ground? no better way to start the day

>> No.20564834

>>20564446
Not really. I prefer the mainstream male front man writers who ended up killing themselves

The music is about conveying emotion. Her poetry kind of sucks

>> No.20564838

>>20564718
Why is it that the dumbest plebs always assume stuff like this?
>WHAAT YOU DON'T LIKE PYNCHON THAT MEANS YOU LOOOOVE YA
Brainless.

>> No.20564839

>>20564829

if you don't, you are relegated to what, instrumental music? lo fi beats to jerk off to?

go ahead, cut yourself of from half a million years of musical tradition. go buy a funko pop, it'll make you feel better.

>> No.20564841

>>20564833
Whatever you say, bud, but boiling first thing in the morning is not healthy, but I guess when your entire identify is framed around shit music, I guess that is ineluctable.

>> No.20564844

>>20564839
Inbred hillbilly folk tunes with literature degree lyrics doesn’t constitute a ‘musical tradition’

>> No.20564849

>>20564841

>boiling

only thing boiling is my coffee pal.

what does it say about you that you think spazzing out on a message board requires any kind of real investment or effort? just because you're sweating and panting trying to type out 4chan comments doesn't mean that i am.

>> No.20564852

>>20564844

>inbred hillbilly folk tunes

at least listen to the music before you spout off you degenerate

>> No.20564855

>>20564852
No.

>> No.20564861

>>20564852
Imagine being this angry over a mediocre, forgettable “musician” who will never fuck you.

>> No.20564867

>>20564861

>you're so angry! haha look at you, you're the angry one!

is this really how you are? do you get angry about this shit? truth be told this is my first time on 4chan and i'm kind of surprised at all the obvious projection here. at least be subtle about it.

>> No.20564868

first time posting, i should say. been lurking on you retards for a few days. kind of disappointing

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>>20564868
It's not really anyone's fault you listen to shit music man

But go ahead. If you actually feel anything or believe she's authentic rather than a run-of-the-mill popstar, go right ahead. Don't let us stop you

>> No.20564878

>>20564870

"authentic"? she's a part of the fucking newsom family, she's fake as fuck. i just think the songs are nice.

>> No.20564883

>>20564868
What’s disappointing is your complete lack of aesthetic judgment

>> No.20564888

So she's just basically Fionna Apple mixed with a dash of Bjork. Got it. Meh

>> No.20564890

>>20564502
Tried again, it's unbearable. 0/10.
Affected baby voice... pass.
Maybe OP owns a vagina, it'd explain his tastes and also his reaction to people's disagreement.

I ackshully listen to female singers almost exclusively btw.

Janet Baker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YiPkmxfiXI
Julie Boulianne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YiPkmxfiXI
Lorraine Hunt (my fave)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YiPkmxfiXI
Ann Sofie von Otter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SQrylJ9DJg
Carolyn Sampson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfCDZhiKId4
Eva Zaïcik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-33KM6p056E

>> No.20564898

>>20564446
I love how easily impressed dimwits are at some pseud namedropping in a song

>> No.20564902

Managed to fuck up the links, it's over

Julie Boulianne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btz0NMboNlU
Lorraine Hunt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49FH8l-Jcl0

>> No.20564903

>>20564446
Listened to Ys, first song was pretty interesting so I was excited to hear the rest of the album, then the rest of the album all sounded the same which made the whole thing less interesting in retrospect. Definition of a one-trick pony.
The lyrics are all standard tryhard empty soulless “literary” shlock.

>> No.20564910

This is possibly the most pseudointellectual thing I have ever read https://culturedarm.com/themes-and-references-in-joanna-newsoms-sapokanikan/

>> No.20564916

>>20564878
>openly admitting she's fake
So where's the emotion? Do you just listen to people singing about non-sense or

>> No.20564917

>>20564903

Ys, despite having the best song in her discography IMO (Cosmia) is kinda weak overall. lots of polyrhythmic wanking that gets old quick.

>> No.20564923

>>20564898
OP is just a little cringe. Sapokoinikan is one of the weaker songs on the album thematically and poetically. Though still a fun jaunt, it barely touches on the worldbuilding and exploration of quantum theory and Will/Representation which pervade the rest of the album.

Her earlier albums have better poetry. Divers is more of a treatise.

>> No.20564956
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20564956

>the strongest Joanna Newsom fan

>> No.20564990

>>20564839
>Instrumental music
>lo fi beats
Is this your conception of music? I don’t think you’re older than 19
>cut yourself of from half a million years of musical tradition
I’m missing out on much. And tradition? What tradition? Yodeling hillbillies?

>> No.20565001

>>20564990
Considering Townes Van Zandt was a yodeling hillbilly, Joanna “The Trust Fund Grifter” Newsome will never be able to produce such talent and profundity as one song of Townes’

>> No.20565022

>>20565001
tvz is kmart dylan

>> No.20565029

>>20565022
>t.buttblasted dylan fag from /mu/ who gets BTFO every time he shits up a tvz thread
Unlike Dyland, Townes never stole lyrics and music from Richard Farina

>> No.20565062

>>20565001
>Townes Van Zandt
The grown man whose voice still cracks, or yeah no he does it on purpose for artistic reasons, right?
Both are trash, just like the rest of the degenerate american tradition you call “music.”

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20565066

>>20565062
>The grown man whose voice still cracks, or yeah no he does it on purpose for artistic reasons, right?
Both are trash, just like the rest of the degenerate american tradition you call “music.
>t.Average Newsom poster

>> No.20565072

>>20565066
I don’t care for Jewsom either, regarded faggot.

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20565089

>>20565072
Whatever you say, you seething faggot. Imagine crying all thread over your shit “musician” only to pretend you never simped for her. Pathetic. KWAB
>t.20565072

>> No.20565101

>>20565089
I’m not OP, but whatever you say. Enjoy your gas prices.

>> No.20565111
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20565111

>>20565101
>I’m not OP, but whatever you say. Enjoy your gas prices

>> No.20565172

>>20565029
>this drunk never stole from that drunk
anything dylan "stole" he made 10 times better anyway

>> No.20565194

>>20565172
>dylan
>better than Farina
O i am lauffin. It’s obvious you just started listening to music seriously, hence why you slurp Dylan’s shriveled cock every chance you get

>> No.20565198

>>20565111
Go back to /mu/ faggot

>> No.20565204

>>20565198
>Go back to /mu/ faggot
That’s you, bud, and your simping for Joanna

>> No.20565207
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20565207

>>20565194
>sputtering contrarian lapses into homosex fantasies

>> No.20565220

erin
Erin!
ERIN!
EEERRIINN!!! ACROSS AMERICA!!!!

>> No.20565268

>>20564502

Neither could I, last I listened.

That was a while ago, though. Maybe I wouldn't reflexively hate her if I gave her a second go.

>> No.20565327

>>20564446
>Joanna Newsom
Who?

>> No.20565919

>>20565327
her biggest claim to fame is when one of the soiboi jeopardy clue writers made her the answer to the clue once.

>> No.20566334

>>20564446
I prefer her husband's body of work. Perhaps you've heard of him? The Lonely Island?

>> No.20566401

>>20564890
>posts nasal baroque singers
>complains about other singers being affected
>"I ackschually listen to female singers almost exclusively"
And yet you're still such a pseud that you don't even know the difference between those hacks and a real singer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsFw8Pp-85o

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>> No.20566527

>>20566401
Anne Sofie von Otter is not some nasal baroque slut, you bitch.

The rest I can't comment on.

>> No.20566537

>>20566506
>The 175th annual Bourgeoisie Award

>> No.20566704

sweet fucking jesus
what happened in this thread
why do threads like this even exist
what is wrong with you people

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20566812

Noticed this thread last night but didn't want to post anything so it wouldn't get bumped. Glad to see it wasn't another circlejerk over the most pseudointellectual artist in popular conscious, at least.

also
>>20566334
unequivocally based

>> No.20567009

>>20566704
>>20566812

i don't have a tv and i need something to do while i have breakfast (inb4 'read'), so tomorrow i'll make another. i've tried this shit three days in a row so far but this is the only one that went big. honestly kind of surprised it was newsom that did it.

any ideas what i should do for the next one?

>> No.20567238

>>20564446
does she carry that thing herself?

>> No.20567283

>>20564446
Great lyrics and grils doing nasally whining country music is peak vocal aesthetics.

>> No.20567292

>>20567238

There's a fun interview out there on the webz somewhere where she talks about how buff guys try to help her with the harp after shows all the time, but the retards always drop it

>> No.20567893

>>20564446
I absolutely deplore that late 2000s affected indie folk way of enunciating that her and other women would do.

>> No.20567937

>Andy fucking Samberg gets to fuck her senseless every night
Absolutely wild

>> No.20567960

>>20564849
Biggest fag on the board atm

Also joanna fucking sucks. Listen to fucking Stereolab or something retard

>> No.20568716

THERE WAS A KNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT
AND A LADY BRIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT
AND THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
LITTLE BABES HAD SHEEEEEEEEE

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20568764

I love her lyrics, anon. My favourite is from Emily
>and the meteorite’s just what causes the light;
>and the meteor’s how it’s perceived;
>and the meteoroid’s a bone from the void, that lies quiet in offering to thee

>> No.20569457

>>20564502
Why not?

>> No.20570941

>>20570424
qeq

>> No.20571827

>>20570941

truly an honor

>pride captcha: A Gay 8

>> No.20571839

>>20567937
I highly doubt Andy Samberg has ever fucked anything senseless.

>> No.20571949

>>20564446
Discovered her thanks to /lit/ and she’s quickly become one of my favorite artists. Was just listening to Milk Eyed Mender today.

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20571958

>>20571949
>Discovered her thanks to /lit/ and she’s quickly become one of my favorite artists

>> No.20572077

>>20564446
I really love a lot of her lyrics.
Though I very recently discovered Fiona Apple and I just fucking fell in love with this little nigga.

>> No.20572208

>>20568764
Mine from Emily is :

There is a rusty light on the pines tonight;
sun pouring wine, lord, or marrow, into the
bones of the birches, and the spires of the churches, jutting out from the shadows;
the yoke, and the axe, and the old smokestacks, and the bale, and the barrow —
and everything sloped, like it was dragged from a rope, in the mouth of the south below.


I just fucking love internal rhymes bros

>> No.20573119

>>20564718
I love women singers. Carmen MacRae, Dionne Warwick, Betty Carter, even spergs like Aldous Harding, Grimes and Dana Gavanski. Joanna Newsom just sucks ass. And yes, I am a classically trained semi-pro musician with a very good ear and pitch.

>> No.20573897

>>20564446
Not /lit/

>> No.20574405

She has like 90 songs that suck but the 3 that are bangers are better than 99% of all other music so she gets a pass from me.

>> No.20574409

>>20574405
Name them.

>> No.20574429

>>20574409
Not him but I'll enter your conversation by telling you my three favourites :

Kingfisher
Leaving the City
Divers

Soft as Chalk is pretty good too.
Only Skin has some very good moments (from "humming a treshing song" to "towards seashores unmapped") but some kinda boring ones too.

>> No.20575346

>>20570424
E S T A B L E C I D A