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[Anonymous No.20557872]

>You need to master you will
>NO! NOT LIKE THAT! THAT'S SLAVE MORALITY!
The hell was this retard's problem?

[Anonymous No.20557878]

Another Nietzsche thread about shit that's been discussed over and over

[Anonymous No.20557882]

Another Nietzsche thread about shit that's been discussed over and over

[Anonymous No.20557902]

>>20557872
Read.

To those, very few people, who actually read Nietzsche: do not reply to trolls who haven't even read his books, they do not deserve your time and effort.

[Anonymous No.20557929]

>>20557902
He didn't have any real ideas. Just another failed LARPer.

[Anonymous No.20557970]

>>20557872
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.20558000]

>>20557872
>Christianity is too ecumenical and a farce of the heights of Rome whose time has come and passed with the failure of its pan-European in-group enforcement value following the ascendance of socialism and course of the world & Cold wars
There is too much baggage between him and Ree, Salome, and Wagner to take his takes on this subject without a fistful of salt.

[Anonymous No.20558120]

>>20557872
To all the /pol/tards on this damn board: Nietzsche would loathe all of you, yes he had a deep respect for jews though was critical of them too. He despised racism and nationalism, the state too. He also was for racial mixing.

[Anonymous No.20558132]

>>20557872
>another thread for people who haven't read N to debate people who didn't understand him about whether it is based and redpilled to agree with him or not

[Anonymous No.20558149]

>>20558120
You couldn't possibly make it more obvious that you have never read him, just like every other retard who says anything about Nietzsche on the current day.

Genealogy of Morals, Essay 1, Aphorism 7.
>All the world's efforts against the "aristocrats," the "mighty," the "masters," the "holders of power," are negligible by comparison with what has been accomplished against those classes by the Jews—the Jews, that priestly nation which eventually realised that the one method of effecting satisfaction on its enemies and tyrants was by means of a radical transvaluation of values, which was at the same time an act of the cleverest revenge. Yet the method was only appropriate to a nation of priests, to a nation of the most jealously nursed priestly revengefulness. It was the Jews who, in opposition to the aristocratic equation (good = aristocratic = beautiful = happy = loved by the gods), dared with a terrifying logic to suggest the contrary equation, and indeed to maintain with the teeth of the most profound hatred (the hatred of weakness) this contrary equation, namely, "the wretched are alone the good; the poor, the weak, the lowly, are alone the good; the suffering, the needy, the sick, the loathsome, are the only ones who are pious, the only ones who are blessed, for them alone is salvation—but you, on the other hand, you aristocrats, you men of power, you are to all eternity the evil, the horrible, the covetous, the insatiate, the godless; eternally also shall you be the unblessed, the cursed, the damned!" We know who it was who reaped the heritage of this Jewish transvaluation. In the context of the monstrous and inordinately fateful initiative which the Jews have exhibited in connection with[Pg 31] this most fundamental of all declarations of war, I remember the passage which came to my pen on another occasion (Beyond Good and Evil, Aph. 195)—that it was, in fact, with the Jews that the revolt of the slaves begins in the sphere of morals; that revolt which has behind it a history of two millennia, and which at the present day has only moved out of our sight, because it—has achieved victory.

[Anonymous No.20558162]

>>20558149
It gets even better if you proceed and read Aphorism 8 in full knowledge of all the context of what Nietzsche thinks about Christianity (seeing it as a religion of weakness, slave morality and nihilism) after reading The Antichrist.

>But you understand this not? You have no eyes for a force which has taken two thousand years to achieve victory?—There is nothing wonderful in this: all lengthy processes are hard to see and to realise. But this is what took place: from the trunk of that tree of revenge and hate, Jewish hate,—that most profound and sublime hate, which creates ideals and changes old values to new creations, the like of which has never been on earth,—there grew a phenomenon which was equally incomparable, a new love, the most profound and sublime of all kinds of love;—and from what other trunk could it have grown? But beware of supposing that this love has soared on its upward growth, as in any way a real negation of that thirst for revenge, as an antithesis to the Jewish hate! No, the contrary is the truth! This love grew out of that hate, as its crown, as its triumphant crown, circling wider and wider amid the clarity and fulness of the sun, and pursuing in the very kingdom of light and height its goal of hatred, its victory, its spoil, its strategy,[Pg 32] with the same intensity with which the roots of that tree of hate sank into everything which was deep and evil with increasing stability and increasing desire. This Jesus of Nazareth, the incarnate gospel of love, this "Redeemer" bringing salvation and victory to the poor, the sick, the sinful—was he not really temptation in its most sinister and irresistible form, temptation to take the tortuous path to those very Jewish values and those very Jewish ideals? Has not Israel really obtained the final goal of its sublime revenge, by the tortuous paths of this "Redeemer," for all that he might pose as Israel's adversary and Israel's destroyer? Is it not due to the black magic of a really great policy of revenge, of a far-seeing, burrowing revenge, both acting and calculating with slowness, that Israel himself must repudiate before all the world the actual instrument of his own revenge and nail it to the cross, so that all the world—that is, all the enemies of Israel—could nibble without suspicion at this very bait? Could, moreover, any human mind with all its elaborate ingenuity invent a bait that was more truly dangerous? Anything that was even equivalent in the power of its seductive, intoxicating, defiling, and corrupting influence to that symbol of the holy cross, to that awful paradox of a "god on the cross," to that mystery of the unthinkable, supreme, and utter horror of the self-crucifixion of a god for the salvation of man? It is at least certain that sub hoc signo Israel, with its revenge and transvaluation of all values, has up to the present always triumphed again over[Pg 33] all other ideals, over all more aristocratic ideals.

[Anonymous No.20558165]

>>20558149
NIETZSCHE SAID THAT THE JEWS STARTED SLAVE MORALITY, GUYS THIS MUST MEAN HE HATED KIKE FUCKS.

You retards are so braindead it's unbelievable, merely attributing one thing to a kind of people in a past-sense does not mean he fucking hates jews. Dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.20558174]

>>20558162
>>20558149
Jews do not equal to JEWS; He speaks of ancient Jews in a theoretical sense. In his other works he speaks badly of the same Jews, he again speaks of these Jews, not JEWS abroad. He also praises Jews in Day Break, saying they'll either have great power in Europe or not be at all. He also praises them for their resilience as a race through history. Nietzsche did support race-mixing, simply do a single search about it. He despised government enforcing ideas and ideals upon people as it was seen as herd mentality to him; His entire thought is literally for people to be their own person and thus their own master (their own teacher; mind)

[Anonymous No.20558182]

>>20558162
>>20558149

Shit tier bait.

Anyone who has read the Genealogy also read the parts in-which he clearly makes it obvious that he does not allign his views with that of anti-semites

[Anonymous No.20558200]

>>20558165
Thanks for admitting this is the first time you've read Nietzsche..
>does not mean he fucking hates jews
Where did i say he did? He talked good about the jews but wasn't afraid to be heavily critical of them (no reason to, having written this in a time 60 years before ww2).
My point being that you talk like if Nietzsche would be some kind of twitterfag slave moralist today who spends all day owning le ebil nahtzees because oooh the poor opressed people.

Since you have, evidently, never read a single page of his work, here's Aphorism 2 from The Antichrist.
Nietzsche hates weakness. Nietzsche appreciates strength. That's it. That's literally it. He praises the jews not because of some dumbshit moralfag reason, but because he recognizes their power. This is literally the opposite way of thinking of the modern-day political activist. Nietzsche would despise these people, think them pathetic.

>>20558182
Read my post above. It also applies to you, who also haven't read Nietzsche otherwise you'd be posting the said "parts" you talk about in your post and immediately refute the imaginary strawman of the /pol/fag you think that i am.

>>20558174
>Jews do not equal to JEWS; He speaks of ancient Jews in a theoretical sense. In his other works he speaks badly of the same Jews, he again speaks of these Jews, not JEWS abroad. He also praises Jews in Day Break, saying they'll either have great power in Europe or not be at all. He also praises them for their resilience as a race through history.
Nothing wrong with this. It doesn't contradict Nietzsche's philosophy.
>Nietzsche did support race-mixing, simply do a single search about it.
I literally couldn't give less of a shit, as i said i'm not even remotely the cartoonish idea of the polfag you have in your head. This is not even related to the subject of the thread yet you just throw it in there out of nowhere even if it doesn't address any point being made in previous posts. Literally schizo-tier, debating with an imaginary strawman instead of a person.
>He despised government enforcing ideas and ideals upon people as it was seen as herd mentality to him; His entire thought is literally for people to be their own person and thus their own master
And that's literally the exact same thing i believe. No contestation at all to this.

[Anonymous No.20558206]

>>20557872
cant you guys just choose between him being a jewish tool or a ''based'' jew hater already? getting tired of all these shit threads of people who havent read a single page of his work, yet front themselves as professors on his work

[Anonymous No.20558224]

>>20557872
>Morality bad
>living like a base nigger good
>The prime anti-Western fantasy for our age, however, was expressed by Nietzsche. Two years after hearing the piano score of Wagner's epoch-making opera Tristan and Isolde, Nietzsche made a lifelong commitment to sexual revolution by deliberately infecting himself with syphilis in a Leipzig brothel. Thomas Mann saw in that gesture an act of "demonic consecration." Whatever the motivation, Nietzsche was outraged when Wagner had second thoughts. When Wagner "prostrated himself before the cross" by writing Parsifal, Nietzsche flew into a rage not only against Wagner but against German music and all of Europe as well. Turning his disease-damaged eyes southward, he began to discern what he termed the "lewd melancholy" across the Mediterranean. As an antidote to Wagner's prostration before the cross, Nietzsche discovered Africa. "This music," Nietzsche writes, describing his impression of Bizet's Carmen, "is lively, but its liveliness is neither French nor German. Its liveliness is African. It has this destiny; its happiness is short, sudden, and without pardon. I envy Bizet, therefore, because he has the courage to give impression to this sensibility, a sensibility which up 'til this time had no expression in European music, a more southern, browner, more burned sensibility. ... How the yellow afternoons of this happiness give us pleasure! We look out and believe that we have never seen the sea calmer. And how this moorish dance speaks to us so tranquilly! How even our insatiability learns satiety from its lewd melancholy! Finally we have a love that has been transposed back to nature. Not the love for of some "higher virgin"! No Senta sentimentality! Rather love as fate, as fatality, cynical, without guilt, cruel - and as a result just like nature. That love which is war in its means, and at its basis the deadly hatred of the sexes" [my translation]
-E. Michael Jones "Degenerate Moderns"

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You've posted on 4chan - you are the last man

[Anonymous No.20558304]

>>20558120
>He also was for racial mixing.
Of course he was.

[Anonymous No.20558490]

>>20558120
He also says "trans rights!" at the end of Zarathustra and that we need to stop Trump to protect our democracy.

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>>20557878
Fpbp

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>>20557878
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[Anonymous No.20558991]

>>20557872
Okay for real, retard here, what did he actually mean by this? Is Nietzche pro ethnostates?

[Anonymous No.20559008]

>>20558224
This is literally slander and EMJ is a Christ-demented midwit. Nietzsche died of the same neuro-degenerative disorder his father succumbed to. The syphilis thing is a meme.