Who will have the greater impact on the 21st century?

[Anonymous No.20557584]

It is clear that these two men tower over everybody from the 20th century.
Just like what Marxism was to the 20th century, Traditionalism will triumph this century.

So…
Who will it be?

[Anonymous No.20557587]

Me.

[Anonymous No.20557595]

Pic related

[Anonymous No.20557601]

>>20557584
Kek
Nice schizo thread

[Anonymous No.20557603]

>>20557595
But he was refuted so thoroughly by Charles Upton

[Anonymous No.20557907]

>>20557584
>Who will it be?
Guenon (pbuh)

[Anonymous No.20557917]

>>20557907
Guenon started a movement, too bad it's mostly muslim mystics. Evola's disciples are at the top of many initiatic orders and are among the most accomplished esotericists in the world.

[Anonymous No.20557918]

>>20557584
Hegel

[Anonymous No.20557921]

F Gardner will be remembered as the greatest writer of the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.20557924]

>>20557595
I just don't get the attraction to this guy as a Anglo-Saxon. I used to but he attracts men who are oikiophobic

[Anonymous No.20557944]

>>20557917
>Guenon started a movement, too bad it's mostly muslim mystics.
only about half are
>Evola's disciples are at the top of many initiatic orders and are among the most accomplished esotericists in the world.
such as?

[Anonymous No.20557949]

>>20557584
Ah yes, traditionalism will triumph in the age of ever-increasing drastic cultural changes. I remember those Tiktok "return to tradition" videos that use 36mafia music.
>>20557595
This guy literally read Trotsky's theory of fascism and decided to implement everything he read.

[Anonymous No.20557955]

>>20557944
>only about half are
what are the other half? people who just read books? not trying to trash Guenon either, I think he's great, I just don't know of any initiates that are his dedicated followers .
>such as?
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.20557957]

>>20557949
Traditionalism will inevitably win, since it is supra-temporal.

[Anonymous No.20557963]

>>20557949
>This guy literally read Trotsky's theory of fascism and decided to implement everything he read.
sounds based

[Anonymous No.20557995]

>>20557955
>what are the other half? people who just read books? not trying to trash Guenon either, I think he's great, I just don't know of any initiates that are his dedicated followers .
Well idk if you would classify his Christian followers as initiates or not but there is Jean Borella (Christian) Marco Pallis
(Tibetan Buddhist) Ananda Coomaraswamy (Hindu)

[Anonymous No.20558018]

>>20557957
Tradition always loses.
The war against "progress" is futile but none the worse for it. Still, it is an appreciable thing to fight for a cause so utterly hopeless.

[Anonymous No.20558021]

>>20558018
Only temporarily.

[Anonymous No.20558082]

>>20558021
Just be accelerationist then.

[Anonymous No.20558113]

>>20557584
Neither of those are Land

[Anonymous No.20558160]

>>20557584
Neither.
You’re asking which one will get more than two dozen followers over the next century. Who cares?

[Anonymous No.20558175]

>>20558160
you dumbass

>>20558113
profane philosophy is ontologically inferior to sacred knowledge, you dark foul nigger.

[Anonymous No.20558185]

>>20557924
As you said the attraction mostly found among oikophobes who view Russia as mysterious and deeply spiritual, and thus able to deliver righteous punishment unto their own wicked societies. It's projection really, the same people are too cowardly to do anything themselves for fear of losing social status.

[Anonymous No.20558211]

>>20557584
Neither. Any philosopher who predates AI is irrelevant for the modern world.

[Anonymous No.20558388]

>>20558211
>muh AI boogeyman
shut up faggot

[Anonymous No.20558433]

It's been almost 10 years and this board still hasn't graduated from traditionalism yet.

[Anonymous No.20558608]

>>20557584
Traditionalism is a bore, "dude stop fucking other dudes in their ass, im so trad here's gigachad jpeg", fuck you.

[Anonymous No.20558623]

>>20557917
>Evola's disciples are at the top of many initiatic orders and are among the most accomplished esotericists in the world.
lmao what?

[Anonymous No.20558767]

>>20557584
Neither of those two.

[Anonymous No.20559299]

evola

[Anonymous No.20559420]

>>20557584
any mystical or esoteric movement will inevitably be overtake by Hegel, he succesufully sintethisize the mystic tradition and the rational movement, something Guenon and Evola couldn't do, Hegel created a movement that not only resist the kali yuga, but teach you how to purify it
he doesn't need to worship a particular,cultural god he achieved knowledge of spirit itself

[Anonymous No.20559429]

I predict deez nuts will have a truly profound impact on the 21st century, since their sheer grandiosity utterly dwarfs the cucks pictured in OP.

[Anonymous No.20559507]

>>20557584
>Who will have the greater impact on the 21st century
Pic related

[Anonymous No.20559528]

>>20559507
literally who

[Anonymous No.20559534]

>>20559420
>he achieved knowledge of spirit itself
could Hegel do this?

[Anonymous No.20559565]

>>20559528
Georges Bataille

[Anonymous No.20559577]

19th century: Marx
20th century: Nietzsche
21st century: Bataille

[Anonymous No.20559588]

>>20558211
AI is the apotheosis of the Reign of Quantity

[Anonymous No.20559589]

>>20559565
>>20559577


>"I'm not crazy, I'm just ahead of the curve" mind

[Anonymous No.20559604]

Between the two, probably Guenon, as he would be the intellectual poster child for the western caliphate. Evola is too new-age to be taken seriously. The best thing to do is to start pushing hard for the normalization of picrel in academic circles, which will mostly involve downplaying his involvement with the Third Reich (similar to Heidegger).

[Anonymous No.20559611]

>>20558185
I have my beliefs and he has his. I'm not a fan of his Trotsky fascism and would prefer more communitarian principles

[Anonymous No.20559632]

>>20559604

The fact that you compare incel Schmitt to chad Heidegger because they were both normie Nazies , shows how little you know about their respective philosophies. One is an epochal thinker struggling with the ontological questions of our era, and the other is your average political science bootlicker.

[Anonymous No.20559941]

>>20559577
20th century was Marx and Nietzsche. 21st century will be Marx and Nietzsche. 22nd century will be Marx and Nietzsche. These are the final significant philosophers of modern civilization.

[Anonymous No.20559967]

>>20557584
Heidegger

[Anonymous No.20561754]

>>20557584
Guenon

[Anonymous No.20561808]

>>20559941
the state of this board.

[Anonymous No.20561869]

>>20559604
Why are /lit/tard so obsessed with getting noticed by academia senpai. Academia as it exist now can never be right wing and trying to white wash right wing thinkers to fit in will only take away their soul, just like what happened to Heidegger. What we have to do is to push these thinkers among dissidents, fuck, even among facebook boomers that believe in qanon. To make them look like a samizdat.

[Anonymous No.20562859]

>>20557584

Evola has had a greater impact on real world events, as he explicitly addressed Traditionalism to modern political concerns. He is very widely read in dissident right circles - from the intellectual Greg Johnson types all the way to National Socialist street activists. With the crumbling of liberalism and the paralysis of the revolutionary left, I think that in coming years the dissident right in the West will be more influential that it has been since the end of World War II.

[Anonymous No.20562969]

>>20559632
>One is an epochal thinker struggling with the ontological questions of our era
yeah dude replacing "subject" with "dasein" and playing musical chairs with a million other terms sure turned out to save western thought

[Anonymous No.20563694]

There are no other options.

[Anonymous No.20563706]

>>20558021
Temporarily? Until the next rootless and engineered practices become "tradition" only to be uprooted by still more artificial and abstracted practices.

[Anonymous No.20563768]

Neither of them because all they inspire are collosal larpers who don't live their ideals

[Anonymous No.20563913]

>>20557584
Guenon, indirectly, via pic related

[Anonymous No.20563916]

>>20563913

[Anonymous No.20563933]

>>20557584
Search your feelings. You know it to be true

[Anonymous No.20563957]

>>20557584
Bob Chipman will be the prophet that steers the worlds ideology in the 21at century, based moviebob

[Anonymous No.20564332]

>>20557584
Evola was more correct, according to STJ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYxtJjRRPyw

[Anonymous No.20564340]

>>20557584
Evola, as the next 78 years will just be extremist shit flinging.

[Anonymous No.20564778]

>>20559589
There's nothing crazy in Bataille. You just simply do not understand his philosophical project. That's okay. Just read more. Maybe secondary work.

[Anonymous No.20564802]

>>20563694
based.

[Anonymous No.20565390]

>>20561869
>>20562859
>>20564332
has the "disident right" done their math homework today?
>>20563694
>>20564802
based.

[Anonymous No.20565510]

>>20565390
Guenon(pbuh) did his math homework

[Anonymous No.20565518]

>>20565510
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.20565586]

>>20557584
Why did Evola look like such an edgemaster in some of his pictures

[Anonymous No.20565604]

>Who will have the greater impact on the 21st century?
Him.

[Anonymous No.20565635]

the final boss of philosophy

[Anonymous No.20565757]

>>20565586
>In his youth Julius Evola, who often wore a monocle and went by the nickname Black Baron
I guess because he was one.

[Anonymous No.20565843]

>>20565757
Sicilians are black

[Anonymous No.20565854]

>>20557603
Doesn't matter who got refuted, influence matters
Saint Augustine refuted Saint Jerome, but Jerome won, creating the medieval Catholic church
Averroes refuted Al-Ghazali but Al-Ghazali won, ending the Islamic golden age

[Anonymous No.20565868]

>>20559577
>21st century: Nietzsche
>21st century: Bataille
Nah senpai, Heidegger won the 20th and the first half of 21st
He brought a new era into philosophy, into Phenomenology and existentialism, Postmodernism is based on his work

[Anonymous No.20565878]

>>20562969
>yeah dude replacing "subject" with "dasein" and playing musical chairs with a million other terms sure turned out to save western thought
You either read only his existentialism and nothing else, or you skipped the introduction to Being and Time and read nothing in general
Dasein is just a small fraction, the beginning point of his investigation into Being

[Anonymous No.20566019]

Do you think that Evola had viking blood from the Normans who settled in Sicily? He looked sort of Germanic in a way.

[dago No.20566026]

>>20566019
he was of lombard stock

t. siculo-norman descendant who knows autistic details like this

[dago No.20566087]

>>20566019
>>20566026
it's discussed in one of the prefaces to one of his books
I cannot remember which one but it's in Ride the Tiger, Revolt, Metaphysics of War, or Metaphysics of Power

[Anonymous No.20566713]

>>20557584
lacan

[Anonymous No.20567443]

>>20565586

Because he was a Dadaist artist after his discharge from the army, and that was the original "fuck you mum and dad!" artistic school of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.20568360]

>>20565635
So, a crypto merchant pseudo-revisionist who doesn't even cover the real history of fake events. He is also a war propagandist. Not unlike Evola himself amd others. Traditionalism is a front for the military industrial complex, always has been.

[Anonymous No.20568396]

>>20568360
>Traditionalism is a front for the military industrial complex, always has been.
Prove it.

[dago No.20568401]

>>20568360
>>20568396
The military industrial complex is a front for Traditionalism, always has been.

[Anonymous No.20568881]

>>20565757
>>In his youth Julius Evola, who often wore a monocle and went by the nickname Black Baron
Damn. Evola was a chuuni...

[Anonymous No.20569100]

>>20557584
Neither
, they're irrelevant outside of our own spheres
Crowley etc. >> Evola, Guénon et. al.

In terms of influence and popularity.

[Anonymous No.20569452]

>>20557587
Nobody knows who you are.

[Anonymous No.20569453]

>>20559507
Hentai already peaked. That is his major influence on anything.

Girard is a better religion-gift economy theorist anyway.

[Anonymous No.20569458]

>>20559604
He is literally the guy to be into in chink legal academia.

Also the is already well taken in west academia, although popularized by the Left.

[Anonymous No.20571205]

unironically Hitler

[Anonymous No.20571211]

>>20569100
Crowley is influential and popular among the masonic/paramasonic circles who run the American industry of entertainment

Will these people survive the end of this Era ? No, the consummers will be consummed

[Anonymous No.20571230]

where do I get initiated?

[Anonymous No.20571362]

>>20571230
Sufism: convert to Islam and then find a traditional sufi order by word of mouth or online and start attending

Buddhism: look up Tibetan Buddhism centers in your area and start taking lessons and ask about initiation/empowerment etc, tons of traditional-style Tibetan temples are in Burma, Nepal and northern India if you want to stay at one for a while but cant get into Tibet.

Hinduism: Research what sect you want to join and then find a temple of that sect in India or the West with an English-speaking teacher who can initiate you

Kabbalah: Be Jewish and be over 40 and then go ask your rabbi about studying kabbalah

Neoplatonism: No living initiation unless you want to join Ismaili Islam, Guenon thought the main sect of it that follows the Aga Khan was part of the counter-initiation, there is a minority sect of Ismailis based in India who dont follow the Aga Khan and who may he less bad from the Guenonian POV

Sikhism: Go to your local Gurudwara and ask about how to become a Sikh

[Anonymous No.20571583]

>>20571362
do any of the perennial traditionalists talk about Sikhism? its a religion that believes in equality isn't it?

[Anonymous No.20571595]

>>20557584
Neither, they're both trash.

[Anonymous No.20571651]

>>20571211
A lot of people namedrop Crowley because he's popular, not because they actually follow his system (which if people actually read then they would know Crowley was not as edgy as his reputation suggests).

[Anonymous No.20571673]

>>20571651
The thing about Crowley is that a lot of people do read his work, but are too low IQ to realize that a lot of his controversial shit is just him coding more innocuous stuff in edgelord metaphors to piss people off. For example, using "child sacrifice" as a euphenism for fapping kek

[Anonymous No.20571680]

>>20557584
Loaded question, they won't. Depends on who had the most sons.

[Anonymous No.20571705]

>>20559941
This and in the end Nietzsche will win because Marx was a dysgenic freak who did not understand the first thing about biology and Darwinian natural selection. The left literally champions dysgenic people and crushes the strong, in a generation or two Leftist will be nothing but sub 80 iq fat retarded

[Anonymous No.20571751]

>>20571362
>no Hermeticism

[dago No.20571763]

>>20571680
How profane…
Unless you are speaking of spiritual sons…
Then based…

[dago No.20571783]

>>20571583
I am pretty sure Guénon has a chapter dedicated to it and Jainism in one of his hindu books
I don’t recall a lick of information regarding it unfortunately

[Anonymous No.20571801]

>>20571673
He was a shitposter plain and simple and that's the charm with him

[dago No.20571809]

>>20571801
The first glownigger-shitposter

[Anonymous No.20571820]

>>20564802
A guy trying to look like Bill Murray?

[Anonymous No.20571909]

>>20571583
>do any of the perennial traditionalists talk about Sikhism?
Schion does and Guenon mentions it in a few letters. They mention that its tied initiatically to both Islam/Sufism and Hinduism
>its a religion that believes in equality isn't it?
Yes, in the sense of all souls are equally parts of the divine. Egalitarianism doesnt automatically follow from this though; there is still a strong sense of hierarchy and tradition in their community and they have their own Sikh castes.

[Anonymous No.20571938]

>>20571809
Even when he was supposedly a spy, Crowley just did whatever the fuck he wanted. He was nothing more than a glorified informant.

[Anonymous No.20571982]

>>20571751
No living initiatic tradition of note aside from larpers, sex fiends and the counter-initiation. Hermeticism is really something best studied on the side and incorporated into your following of another system with a living initiation.

[Anonymous No.20572585]

>>20558433
and it never will… because you dont ‘graduate’ from THE TRUTH

[Anonymous No.20572606]

I think that both or either are so willingly taken up by Russians, Arabs, and Western dissaffects suggests neither of them will have any real influence here.

[Anonymous No.20572750]

>>20571583
Guenon wrote that Sikhism is a mix of islam and hinduism but in a too artificial way.

[Anonymous No.20572899]

>>20557584
I like Guenon because I am a Muslim but it will be Evola, because the West is still dominant for the foreseeable future, and other than faggots who cope and make up excuses for why Guenon totally wasn't actually a Muslim, most people in the West will find Evola more palatable than Guenon since he became one of us

[Anonymous No.20572914]

>>20572750
> but in a too artificial way.
where did he say that?

[Anonymous No.20573021]

What would Guenon say about the end of the universe?

[Anonymous No.20573049]

>>20573021

[Anonymous No.20573055]

>>20572899
do you name the j3w in the mooslem community?

[Anonymous No.20573161]

>>20557584
Evola's has more presence and his ideas have more style.

[Anonymous No.20573238]

>>20573049
So, it is "the wheel turns."

[dago No.20573259]

>>20573238

[dago No.20573281]

>>20573049
>>20573238
>>20573259

[Anonymous No.20573302]

Um......outside of /lit/they're irrelevant

[Anonymous No.20573331]

>>20566026
There were no Lombards in Sicily. It was basically Greeks, Latins and then Arabs.

[Anonymous No.20573358]

>>20573331
>A genetic study published in Science Advances in September 2018 examined the remains of a Lombard male buried at an Alemannic graveyard. He was found to be a carrier of the paternal haplogroup R1b1a2a1a1c2b2b and the maternal haplogroup H65a. The graveyard also included the remains of a Frankish and a Byzantine male, both of whom were also carriers of subclades of the paternal haplogroup R1b1a2a1a1. The Lombard, Frankish and Byzantine males were all found to be closely related, and displayed close genetic links to Northern Europe, particularly Lithuania and Iceland.

[dago No.20573362]

>>20573331
nah, many Lombard nobles (and commoners) made their way down to Sicily from the ~15th century onwards

Evola's family was originally from Tuscany or Emilia-Romagna I believe

[Anonymous No.20573479]

>>20573281
Yuga is true eternal recurrence

[Anonymous No.20573554]

>>20571362
Alawites are neo-Platonists and highly syncretic. They are a very interesting group, and the Assad family is among their members. They also drink alcohol.

[Anonymous No.20573596]

Benedict/Ratzinger is an underrated candidate for most influential thinker of the 20th Century, though I doubt many people on /lit/ have read him. I think he will still be read centuries from now.

[Anonymous No.20574390]

>>20571651
How is this related to my post ? Who the fuck are you, some kind of bot ?

[Anonymous No.20575315]

>>20557584
Evola

[Anonymous No.20575356]

>>20572899
No Muslim should like Guenon because everything he wrote was heterodox or heresy. He practiced some bizarre sort of Sufism that isn’t even orthodoxy for Sufis. This guy was hurt a Western theosophist and used Sufism for validation.

[Anonymous No.20575365]

Do yourselves a favor and don’t waste any more of your lives on these charlatans. You will regret it if you do.

[Anonymous No.20576175]

>>20573596
Hey I've read his work on Kierkegaard. Though I'm not sure how "influential" he is today. Only Catholics care for him and they're dying off.

[Anonymous No.20576681]

>>20575365
Shut up nigger. My life has gotten way better after reading them, although at first the blackpill was bigger than ever before.

[Anonymous No.20577756]

>>20557584
these guys

[Anonymous No.20578276]

>>20575356
>He practiced some bizarre sort of Sufism that isn’t even orthodoxy for Sufis.
??? Guenon was initiated into two different branches of the Shadhili order which is a respected and fairly widespread order in north africa

[Anonymous No.20578449]

>>20577756
>boring jew shill and eurasian mutt
No thanks.

[Anonymous No.20579762]

>>20577756
this. moldbug.

[Anonymous No.20579981]

>>20571230
Apparently you can alors become orthodox, go to Mount Athos and ask to be taught the hesychast prayer

[Anonymous No.20579989]

>>20571583
Guénon actually dislikes sikhism. He views it as an inconsiderate mix of hinduism and islam, while both should be taken as two separate paths

[Anonymous No.20579994]

>>20575356
>non-Muslim telling Muslims what they believe

[Anonymous No.20580009]

>>20575356
Guénon is widely read by members of virtually every sufi orders in north africa and europe. I can quote at least 5-6 orders whose members I have personally seen recommand Guénon without any disclaimers - Shadiliya, Karkariya, Kacimiya, Qadiriyya, Tijaniyya etc.