/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20552045]

I've started listening to Chapo Trap House and getting more into politics, specifically leftist politics. What are some good books (on theory or history, even fiction) that would help me learn more about this subject? I know the hosts wrote a book and I just bought it on Amazon, but what are some others that you would recommend?

[Anonymous No.20552046]

>>20552045
>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House

[Anonymous No.20552049]

>>20552045
>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House

[Anonymous No.20552050]

>>20552045
>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House

[Anonymous No.20552074]

>>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House

[Anonymous No.20552077]

>>20552045
Reject politics, make up your party

[Anonymous No.20552081]

>>20552045
>>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House

[Anonymous No.20552128]

>>20552046
>>20552049
>>20552050
>>20552074
>>20552081
It's an accessible, funny way to learn about progressive subjects and critiques of capitalism and neoliberalism. Why are you guys making fun of me?

[Anonymous No.20552133]

>>20552045
>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House

[Anonymous No.20552140]

>>20552045
>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House

[Anonymous No.20552145]

All 3 volumes of Capital
German Ideology
State and Rev
Imperialism
Collected works of Stalin

[Anonymous No.20552148]

>>20552128

Because /lit/ is irrationally jealous of anyone who can make a living doing the same kind of shitposting you can find in any thread on /lit/

Rev Left Radio is another really great podcast that cuts back significantly on the cum jokes and irony poisoning. Worth looking into.

Otherwise Howard Zinn is often considered a decent entry into leftist politics. A People's History of the United States and so forth. Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine is also really good for framing America's particular brand of Chicago School capitalism within a broader historical and cultural context.

Don't feel the need to dive right in to the stuff that's more explicitly political theory. There's too much theory and not enough materialism in the modern leftist movement. Buncha poli sci grad students jerking each other off over who's read the most obscure Russian political theorists.

Which is another reason people don't like Chapo. That and the fact that they earn hundreds of thousands of dollars a year podcasting while also disparaging the work of real activists actually out in the community trying to build class solidarity. In a lot of ways they're centrists in Bernie masks.

[Anonymous No.20552152]

>>20552148
Howard Zinn was a crakkker zionist
Read Settlers

[Anonymous No.20552162]

>>20552045
>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House

[Anonymous No.20552173]

>>20552162
Based. /lit/ is an unapologetically tanky board. We need to run these rightoid mystic obscurantists and centrist cucks out of here and hoist the flag of hammer and sickle.

[Anonymous No.20552197]

>>20552148
>he thinks people are actually jealous of Chapo soibois

Yeah, I'm definitely jealous of some glorified children who mentally masturbate each other to an audience of unquestioning pseuds for a living.
That's not even to say anything about their politics. I've tried to listen to them before and they come off as impossibly smug and obnoxious, just like their listeners. You would have to pay me an unbelievable amount of money for me to do that.

[Anonymous No.20552201]

>>20552045
If you're not being ironic, read Engels':
''Principles of Communism'', ''The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State'' and the first 40 pages or so from ''The Condition of the Working Class in England''

Then you should start reading Marx:
Critique Of Hegel's Philosophy of Right -> Thesis on Feuerbach -> Economic & Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 -> Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte -> German Ideology -> Civil War In France -> Critique of Gotha Program -> Das Kapital (or an abridged version of your choice)

have fun

[Anonymous No.20552208]

Yikes.

[Anonymous No.20552244]

>>20552045
Watch leftism today or Pilleater, chapo is fucking gay

[Anonymous No.20552279]

>>20552045
>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House

[Anonymous No.20552283]

>>20552045
Chapo is pro-violence. They're just a bunch of faggot Marxists who leech off of their dumb fans who give them over a million USD monthly to make some shit podcast where they let their brains leak out into their microphones. OP Is a fucking idiot. Stay the fuck away from ''Leftists'' the same way you should stay away from their right-equiveland. They're just leeches who want money, they don't believe in what they say or they are actually mentally-ill.

[Anonymous No.20552290]

>>20552201
>>20552152
>>20552148
>>20552173
>>20552162

[Obama No.20552300]

It's honestly laughable how people engage in ''revolutionary'' ideology today, as all the manpower and intelligence needed to actually achieve such now rests on a cough working 9-5. Nobody gives enough of a shit to do anything, nor is there really any reason to do such and so; in the sense that the revolutions people stride for today are irrelevant and their tactics and thought are backwards. Somebody has to write a proper book on ideology, the modern day and the modern man especially; A way of thought that will rid the modern man of his sickness, whilst also cleansing him of the filth which is stained upon him from the distant past

[Anonymous No.20552305]

>>20552128
It's for twelve year olds with tree genders, anon.

[Anonymous No.20552311]

>>20552128 #
It's for twelve year olds with three genders, anon.

[Anonymous No.20552312]

>>20552148
see this is why no one likes leftists. if any working class person points out communism fucking sucks and the people that promote it are all douchebags, they pull rank and start bragging about how much more money they make than you or how elite their eduction is compared to you or whatever. they need to take a diversity and inclusion workshop to learn how to listen to marginalized voices, like, you know, the working class.

[Anonymous No.20552319]

>>20552148
>they are just jelous
Amerilard debating tactics.

[Anonymous No.20552324]

>>20552148
the workers are just jealous of all our money the communist said unironically

[Anonymous No.20552326]

>>20552045
>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House

[Anonymous No.20552329]

No one likes leftists because they're extremely autistic people who praise dictators who killed trannies like them. When you're so mentally ill' you make defending the holodomor, and Stalin molesting a 13 year old girl your identity - nobody wants to be your friend or listen to you.

[Anonymous No.20552345]

>>20552173
We only like Stalin because he killed all the right people - Jews, Communists and Homosexuals

[Anonymous No.20552352]

>>20552312
This. The attitude of modern leftists is the biggest detriment to the spread of their ideology.

Nobody likes capitalism and nobody trusts the ruling class. The problem is that discussing leftist ideology has become a tool of the bourgeoisie and millionaire champagne socialists insist on dividing everyone by race, gender identity and sexual orientation.

[Anonymous No.20552357]

>>20552329
KEK

[Anonymous No.20552359]

>>20552045
basically anything by Marx
conditions of the working class of England
The marx-engels reader

[Anonymous No.20552367]

>>20552352
the left started that because communist economics was a total failure so they had to pivot to identity shit to try to undermine the west because some guy in the teamsters who owns his own house and car has no "material" interest in communism.

[Anonymous No.20552519]

>>20552128
I listen to it occasionally and it just seems like they haven't thought through any of the issues they talk about. I know it's not supposed to be a wonky podcast or anything but it just gets tiresome.

>accessible
>funny
>progressive
You shouldn't want any of these things. Lurk more. If you have to consoom product in audio format maybe check out radio war nerd, the funky academic, and auron macintyre

[Anonymous No.20552598]

>>20552312
>>20552352
just admit you don't know any real socialists/communists, anon

[Anonymous No.20552628]

>>20552045
zizek

[Anonymous No.20552635]

>>20552128
don't worry OP, these chuds are the kind of folk who get made fun of on the show... i find it empowering in a way, since we're surrounded by THEM online and irl

[Anonymous No.20552649]

>>20552345
do tell us about it

[Anonymous No.20552675]

>>20552145
>stalin

[Anonymous No.20552688]

>>20552598
i assure you i've known more "real" communists that you have

[Anonymous No.20552741]

>>20552045

[Anonymous No.20552746]

>>20552045
I haven't heard anything of them in so fucking long, I'm curious, di they go full FSB shill mode since the Ukraine invasion?

[Anonymous No.20552755]

>>20552128
Alright after this post the only plausible scenario is you actually started listening to Cum Town and thought this would be a funny shitpost.

[Anonymous No.20552762]

>>20552148
jeez oh man yeah i sure am peanut butter and jealous of the Fake Kommunist Kontent Krew and would definitely prefer to run a blue dog dem react stream and/or unfunny podcast over a much cooler & less degrading CIA job somewhere else yeah man you got me there

[Anonymous No.20552776]

>>20552148
>In a lot of ways they're centrists in Bernie masks
Exactly, they are an edgy Pod Save America.
Spending years making fun of liberals only to end up spending four hours on Hasan's stream trying to convince Christian Walker that trans women are real women - the average libtard wouldn't even bother. Making fun of inflation and supply chain issues by calling them treats the same day as Jen Psaki.
Millenials leftists wanted to vote for Dems but were ashamed and Chapo helped hem.

[Anonymous No.20553497]

>>20552045
zizek

[Anonymous No.20553528]

>>20552045
>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House [...]
It's already over for you. Might as well order estrogen pills and some nice sturdy rope to complete the internet leftist's life cycle.

[Anonymous No.20553554]

>>20552045
Literally just read Marx and Engels. Start with the communist manifesto and then move onto Marx's smaller works like critique of gotha program. Capital is a bit dry for a newcomer. Ignore everything contemporary until much later on, and especially ignore everything written by an american, they're retarded and they filter everything through their retardation.

[Anonymous No.20553577]

>>20552045

Kill yourself, lefttard swine.

[Anonymous No.20553685]

>>20552045
The capitalists infiltrated the left wing with race and gender ideology and they infiltrated the right wing with libertarianism. The working classes cannot vote left wing because doing so means their country will be flooded with low IQ barbarians, their sons will have their penises chopped off, they will be constantly moralised and purity tested (totally contrary to historical left wing movements such as USSR which made homosexuality illegal). And they cannot vote right wing either because the right supports their economic exploitation. It’s perhaps the greatest psyop in history.

[Anonymous No.20553723]

>>20553685
Communism just means kike, and communism biggest kike psyop. Karl Marx was a Rothschild agent.

[Anonymous No.20554083]

>getting more into politics, specifically leftist politics

kys

[Anonymous No.20554353]

>>20552776

Don't forget the episode where they were interviewing that Rolling Stone writer and Matt Christman said--with a straight face and complete sincerity--that the police are working class comrades, actually.

Amazing how money can change a person.

[Anonymous No.20554359]

>>20552635
Being anti-autistic is a good reason to genocide normalniggers

[Anonymous No.20554366]

Read Hayek, Mises, Sowell et al

[Anonymous No.20554372]

Why has communism totally collapsed on /lit/, bros? Even just 2 years ago we were fairly influential here.

[Anonymous No.20554390]

>>20554372
I blame the division of leftypol desu.

[Anonymous No.20554400]

>>20552045
Chapo was pretty funny and is still OK sometimes. Just don't take them too seriously. If you're interested in political philosophy you should go for a well-rounded approach: Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Mill etc. There are charts on /lit/ that are actually pretty OK. Also, unironically read >>20554366 . You won't truly understand how profoundly soulless and evil the enemy is until you read what they actually believe.

[Anonymous No.20554405]

>>20554372
rapeape

[Anonymous No.20554413]

>>20552045
>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House
Jesus Fucking Christ how did you miss reddit or whatever forum they're on right now ?

[Anonymous No.20554762]

>>20554366
if he reads any of these imbeciles he will definitely become a leftist.

[Anonymous No.20554851]

>>20554372
imageboards are filled with neet Lumpenproles who divide into fascism or anarchism

Early 4chan was like v for vendetta, deep web, julian assange bit coin anarchism

then pol ruined everything with fascism

but there is still anarchist influence through max stirner and uncle ted threads

[Anonymous No.20554861]

>chapo is vacuous glowie trite/shitty propoganda

Yeah the US sucks but douchebag leftist groups like chapo are the controlled oppositon meant to suck energy and resources from any genuinely subversive worker efforts.

[Anonymous No.20554881]

>>20552128
Do they go after the WEF?

[Anonymous No.20554888]

>>20554861
>worker efforts
The "workers" are all right wing and supported Trump and hate the WEF, they don't want socialism or bigger govt, since bigger govt is the tool megacorps use to keep them from growing their own business and getting out of poverty.

[Anonymous No.20554893]

Wow lit has become very right wing. What are the trannies doing? They have completely failed at defeating pol, if anything they made things worse and pushed pol on to other boards.

[Anonymous No.20554955]

>>20554888
imagine believing this
read some non-fiction ffs

[Anonymous No.20554976]

>>20554881
No, they even make fun of people for even caring. Just like they made fun of people for complaining about inflation. They spent years talking about neoliberalism just to end up pushing austerity in favor of the dems.

[Anonymous No.20555039]

>>20552045
Grundrisse. Ecology of Freedom. The Class Matrix.
Grundrisse is shorter than Capital, and is made up from the notebooks Karl Marx wrote before preparing to write Capital. It’s more Hegelian than Capital, and there’re various ideas discussed in there which are more applicable today than what you’ll find in Capital is (cuz he didnt finish capital ofc, it was supposed to be wayy longer and cover a lot more ground!). For example he discusses automation. Read grundrisse, before Capital if you want to read that too, but Grundrisse is the most important marxist text. Bookchin’s important cuz ecology kinda is today, and it’s clear that to cope with climate change we’ll need to change society pretty fundamentally, and bookchin’s prescriptions are pretty decent, plus he’ll help you break out of a liberal mindset about what society should ideally look like. In the Class Matrix vivek chibber despite having a morrowind name decided to do something good AKA underscore that modern leftism’s preoccupation with third world movements and «identity politics» isn’t particularly useful for making a revolution happen, especially, Mr Chibber argues, because Marx was wrong about Capitalism’s labour distribution being fundamentally undstable (marx argues this makes a revolution «inevitable», mr Chibby says this isn’t true, and that’s why ideology and organizing is important, because that’s how you’ll bring about the revolution, basically).

[Anonymous No.20555060]

>>20554955
Why? That's what the data shows. And all the working class people I know are that way too, only the petit bourgeois (although their children are often right wing or far right) and dumb women with weak husbands are liberals/leftists, and it's more of a fashion statement/conformity than true conviction. Why would this not be the case? The global elites shill leftism as hard or harder than antifa cucks, because they understand that it is in their financial interests to have centralizations of power to surpress the economic liberties of the lower classes. They "pull the ladder up from under them" and the petit bourgeois types, who are still in the game, lap it up. You're just stupid.

[Anonymous No.20555064]

>>20554976
So they sound useless at best, and like glowies at worst.

[Anonymous No.20555070]

>>20555039
Wow what a pathetic pseud virgin.

[Anonymous No.20555072]

>>20552045
>I've started listening to Chapo Trap House

captcha: KYKDD

[Anonymous No.20555094]

>>20555060
Like he said, read some nonfiction.
>The global elites shill leftism as hard or harder than antifa cucks, because they understand that it is in their financial interests to have centralizations of power to surpress the economic liberties of the lower classes.
Yeah right. Like these megacoprs need the government's help to squash some shitty little store. Large businesses destroy or absorb small businesses because large businesses can provide better service for lower prices.

[Anonymous No.20555095]

>>20552045
>Chapo Trap House

Google this thinking its a music genre, read this on the wiki.

>The podcast is aligned with the dirtbag left, a style of contentious left-wing political discourse that eschews civility in favor of a more casual—and often vulgar—speaking style.

So there is such a thing as civil leftists? What does a civil leftist podcast sound like? 80 year old unionists and labourist talking about gardening?

[Anonymous No.20555106]

>>20555095
>So there is such a thing as civil leftists
It's the default. Watch any centrist/liberal news network. Civility is generally very important to the centre-left, and to liberals in general.

[Anonymous No.20555111]

>>20552045
the most important leftist authors are Chomsky, Lenin, and Trotsky, in that order
literally don't bother with reading Marx directly. You can read a little but don't get carried away. Reading Marx might turn your brain into mush, like ice cream left out in the sun. You also run this risk by reading German Idealists. Lenin has enough excerpts from Marx to have you covered, without the risk of ice cream brain.

>>20552145
only autistic larpers read capital. Secondary sources are much more clear.

>>20552148
revleft radio is good except for anything involving the USSR post Lenin, they defend absolute clown historians like Grover Furr

[Anonymous No.20555131]

>>20552598
Thats not an argument though, you cant promote mass immigration and wokeness and expect people to follow you.

[Anonymous No.20555136]

>>20555094
>Like these megacoprs need the government's help to squash some shitty little store
Yes, look no further than the on-the-ground effects of the pandemic response by governments.
>Large businesses destroy or absorb small businesses because large businesses can provide better service for lower prices.
That's a nice little theory that is true only in part. You have no ability to think critically, you just memorize theories and are motivated by emotion.

[Anonymous No.20555147]

>>20555111
checked
fuck marx and fuck hegel. Read chomsky and lenin

[Anonymous No.20555153]

>>20555106
>cable news is the default for this dumb leftist cow
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Yes, I'm sure le dirtbag left is very edgy, they promote LGBTQQAIP2SAI+ Pride butbat the same time they vape and swear (but don't be homophobic or racist, that's going too far). You delusional little pansy.

[Anonymous No.20555159]

>>20555147
>Read chomsky and lenin
I'd rather learn something important than schizophrenic, anti-White jew poz.

[Anonymous No.20555169]

>>20555153
I said civility is the default for liberals, and provided cable news as the example. You have the brain of a squirrel. No wonder you people can't read anything longer than a sentence.

[Anonymous No.20555171]

>>20555159
lol anon I was once like you. cheers and enjoy the right, it's more fun

[Anonymous No.20555188]

>>20555136
>Yes, look no further than the on-the-ground effects of the pandemic response by governments.
Small businesses got plenty of gibs too. But yes, they're not nearly as good at milking the government for gibs as big businesses are. Yet another reason why large businesses are more competitive.
>That's a nice little theory that is true only in part
It's one of the least controversial things one could say. All you have to do is look at pretty much any industry in the last 200 years and you'll see consolidation and a tendency towards monopoly.

[Anonymous No.20555199]

>>20555169
>I said civility is the default for liberals, and provided cable news as the example.
Highly censored media dominated by a small clique, the default. Wut.

[Anonymous No.20555223]

>>20555199 (You)
Anon asked if there's such a thing as a civil leftist. I responded by offering liberals on TV as an example. When most people think about left-leaning/progressive media, they think about a well dressed asshole in makeup sitting in front of a camera. In that sense, they are the default for liberal discourse. Was that really so difficult to understand?

[Anonymous No.20555315]

>>20555169
Civility is the default for everyone you halfwit, it is implied by the word itself.

[Anonymous No.20555330]

>>20555111
>You can read a little but don't get carried away. Reading Marx might turn your brain into mush, like ice cream left out in the sun.
Facts. Just look at leftcoms.

[Anonymous No.20555336]

>>20555188
>Small businesses got plenty of gibs too. But yes, they're not nearly as good at milking the government for gibs as big businesses are. Yet another reason why large businesses are more competitive.
Small businesses were destroyed at a rate rarely seen before in US history directly as a consquence of the government response, while megacorps thrived and billionaires increased their wealth by trillions. There really isn't more to be said, you're just wrong and a total pseud, incapable of thinking for yourself or thinking critically.

[Anonymous No.20555356]

>>20555336
Covid was just an acceleration of a natural process that took place over the course of centuries.

[Anonymous No.20555379]

>>20555315
Yeah, civility in politics is the norm for both centre-left and centre-right. But we were talking about the centre-left specifically.

[Anonymous No.20555477]

>>20552045
Peter Dale Scott lol

>>20555336
>Small businesses were destroyed at a rate rarely seen before in US history directly as a consquence of the government response
That's like... very wrong? Obviously during the great depression and even early 80s recession you say way more carnage... most of the moaning about government intervention is about all the "zombie firms" being propped up because of government policies. Anyways the more problematic thing from a liberal perspective is new business formation before COVID was already around a historic low... I think it actually got a boost from COVID but crypto scamming has drawn most entrepreneurial initiative

>while megacorps thrived and billionaires increased their wealth by trillions
That's the norm? I doubt you seriously believe laissez faire can eliminate all benefits of scale and create a more progressive wealth distribution.

[Anonymous No.20555579]

>>20555477
>Peter Dale Scott
Who?

[Anonymous No.20555593]

>>20554851
gonna cry?

[Anonymous No.20555605]

>>20554888
this is how I've viewed it always. Which is why you see trannies spout crap like "fuck the workers"

[Anonymous No.20555608]

>>20555579
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Peter_Dale_Scott

[Anonymous No.20555620]

>>20555477
>Ummm that's... like... ummm? Really? Really sweetie? Uh? Okay? Yeah..... Riiiiight.... K? Uh?
DON'T WRITE LIKE THIS YOU FUCKING FAGGOT!!

[Anonymous No.20555625]

>>20555106
>civil leftist
>can't stop whining about Trump
not very civil of them

>>20555153
its funny they make fun of spergs like me but if you say "faggot" or "nigger" they spaz out. wish people were more logically consistent with slurs but that's asking too much

[Anonymous No.20555630]

>>20552635
You are such a fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.20555639]

>>20555620
>DON'T WRITE LIKE THIS YOU FUCKING FAGGOT!!

[Anonymous No.20555681]

>>20555625
>>20555625
>>20555625
>>20555625
>>20555625
>>20555625
They're whining about Trump precisely because he doesn't give a shit about decorum and civility, which as I've pointed out is something regular libs care about a lot. This is the main difference between the "dirtbag left" and mainstream left-wing/centre-left media. The former is irreverent, whereas the latter places a huge emphasis on decorum. You're retarded for not understanding this very simple point, and I'm even dumber for responding to you.

[Anonymous No.20555701]

>>20555681
I don't get whats so Stoic about being a constant complainer but okay

[Anonymous No.20555707]

>>20555681
also, you're a faggot. I will rape you.

[Anonymous No.20555793]

>>20555131
You have much less of an argument than I do, your personal experiences of meeting snobby, upper middle class whitey trotskyists are not trustworthy evidences of how an entire group of people around the world behave. The leftists you refer to are scarecrows and you know that.

[Anonymous No.20555802]

>>20552201
I second this, but also read Lenin and Mao

[Anonymous No.20555806]

>>20555793
muh Settlers

[Anonymous No.20555852]

>>20555171
Can you name one legitamately good point that chomsky has made? Everything I've heard him say is retarded outside of identifying manufactured consent.

[Anonymous No.20555893]

>>20554372
Nothing is certain, Nothing is impossoble, chud-san

Pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.20556054]

>>20555111
>chomsky
Kek
>don't engage with Marx directly to form your own opinions. just adopt someone's opinion of his work who did read him
Absolutely retarded.

[Anonymous No.20556083]

>>20554888

>workers don't want socialism

This is your brain on NEETbux

[Anonymous No.20556310]

>>20555852
manufacturing consent is crucial it's a funny thing to gloss over off handedly, but setting that aside he has an autistic savant memory of declassified and leaked American foreign policy stuff, and he uses this to paint an incredibly clear picture of how the pentagon, state department, and the CIA function, what really went on during the cold war, etc.
Also he is known as the father of linguistics and has apparently made contributions to analytic philosophy

[Anonymous No.20556323]

>>20556054
>later thinkers never improve and clarify the works of earlier thinkers
>earlier thinkers always present the highest and best form of their own school

[Anonymous No.20556417]

>>20552045
Why would you ever listen to Chapo Trap House when you could listen to Cumtown

[Anonymous No.20556442]

>>20556417
Chapo is pretty funny when they ridicule the blend of cruelty and stupidity that characterises the American upper classes. Their CPAC episode is pretty fun.

[Anonymous No.20556483]

>>20552045
Chapo Trap House and all other progressive podcast are not worth your time. They are fun to listen to but they don't really teach you anything properly and using them as a source for information is just building you up to being laughed at if you ever talk to someone who actually studies whatever topic they are talking about.
>>20556310
Chomsky hates the US intervening anywhere in any way and will oppose them even if it means denying shit that obviously happened.
To him a justified US intervention anywhere is literally impossible.

[Anonymous No.20556549]

>>20552148
lmaoing at all the cope this inspired. you’re doing god’s work anon, keep it up

[Anonymous No.20556564]

>>20552045
leftist politics = we have to get rid of white people
right politics = we have to get rid of non white people
This is the spiritual essence, everything else is noise

[Anonymous No.20556567]

>>20552148
>In a lot of ways they're centrists in Bernie masks.
how do you think they got so popular? it's not because their hp lovecraft jokes are so hilarious. it's because they help to divide and weaken the democrats. where do these hundreds of thousands of dollars really come from? has anyone verified that all these big bux are coming from random baristas in brooklyn and not some conservative pac? there's no transparency, you're just let to believe it's all organic cuz "patreon" as if anything on social media happens by accident.

[Anonymous No.20556581]

>>20556549
My political movement isn't dead in the water so I don't understand how I'm the one coping

[Anonymous No.20556944]

>>20552045
https://www.thedailybeast.com/these-dirtbag-left-stars-are-flirting-with-the-far-right

[Anonymous No.20556978]

>>20552148
reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.20556990]

>>20554851
>early 4chan was like v for vendetta, deep web, julian assange, bit coin anarchism
nigga...

[Anonymous No.20557032]

>>20556564
you are definitely correct about right politics

[Anonymous No.20557043]

>>20556564
sorry mean to say left politics here >>20557032

[Anonymous No.20557050]

>>20556083
no, esp. in the west its the truth. stop being terminally online and touch grass homo

[Anonymous No.20557070]

>>20556483
>and will oppose them even if it means denying shit that obviously happened.
and when has he done this?

[Anonymous No.20557080]

>>20557050
if you showed workers a list of a socialist program they would want it. if you asked them if they want socialism they'd say they don't

give it some time and go touch grass yourself

[Anonymous No.20557154]

Read Marx/Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky.

[Anonymous No.20557157]

>>20552045
In addition to what was already recommended, read Lasch.

[Anonymous No.20557424]

>>20555171
So you’re a leftist right? What if I’m very sympathetic to leftist economics but I fundamentally do not like trannies and gay people? As in I wouldn’t care if they’re in my society but I hate their social theory and stuff, they should be marginalized and they should not be tolerated for who they are.

[Anonymous No.20557471]

>>20557424
>What if I’m very sympathetic to leftist economics but I fundamentally do not like trannies and gay people
Then you're the average American right-winger. Campus Conservative, libertarians, pedosatanist millionaires, landlords, fat assholes who own a small business and a boat and all the other nasty little gremlins who genuinely believe in right wing ideology are a minority. Most right wingers are people like you who will not support a political project that makes life better for people because (a) they are cynical and don't think it will work, and (b) it might make life better for people they hate so they don't want it to work.

[Anonymous No.20557490]

>>20557471
It isn’t just me hating them. You can’t admit to me that the overwhelming majority of marxists online are idpol riddled fags? I’m not white and had marxists in my family tree who stood for something, I respect them because they were nationalists at heart who even if they believed in the ‘international socialist’ project loved their people and fought for self determination. They had values. I don’t feel myself having anything in common with the average marxist in the West

[Anonymous No.20557504]

>>20557424
Why do you hate them?

[Anonymous No.20557505]

>>20557424
>What if I’m very sympathetic to leftist economics
Why would you be that stupid? Left-wing economics objectively clashes with reality. To be a left-wing economist would mean you think the laws of supply and demand do not apply to reality. You're the type of people who support bat-shit retarded policies like price controls, rent controls, and high taxation

[Anonymous No.20557517]

>>20557080
Having government-subsidized programs isn't the same as socialism though.

[Anonymous No.20557527]

>>20557490
Honestly, both leftists and right-wings are idpol faggots who are too invested in the culture war. You both share the same economically illiterate views regardless. With the "right" you get tariffs, with the left you get price controls. With both, you get profligate social spending.
>>20557517
It is considering socialists support those policies. You people just lie about your intentions. There is a single socialist party in this world that does not push for government subsidization - be it food stamps, social security, pell grants or whatever government handouts can be thought of.

[Anonymous No.20557548]

>>20555477
Are you fucking retarded? the whole point is the govt response to the pandemic helped billionaires earn 10s of trillions more and shut down small business at a rate not seen since the great depression. The argument is government enabled this, which it absolutely did, and you even agree with it. How are you on the left but don't even care that the government response basically robbed small businesses blind and made billionaires more money in 2 years at a rate higher than ever before? you're a fraud who doesn't actually care about "the workers" or whatever, you just say it because it makes you feel good, but when it comes to actually fighting for them you'd rather sit inside and theorize and call them racist instead of going after the people actually oppressing them.

[Anonymous No.20557554]

>>20557490
>You can’t admit to me that the overwhelming majority of marxists online are idpol riddled fags?
I don't know. Probably. Social media brings out the cruellest, dumbest, most thoughtless aspects of people. But what difference does it make? Politics don't have to be about belonging to a group. The way I see it is this. I live at the mercy of the idiotic whims of global capitalism and an increasingly unstable global political and economic order. My enemies are faceless corporate entities that put carcinogens and other garbage in my food, water, and air. They're all those finance goblins whose bullshit is the reason why thousands of people lose their jobs, or why I'll never be able to afford a home without paying off a mortgage for 30 years (if I'm lucky). I think the left, such as it is (I live in Canada and we don't really have even that) can offer at least a small measure of protection against all these liars, cheaters, schemers and scammers. I don't like or hate trannies. They're ghoulish and ridiculous and pitiable but frankly I've only ever seen one in real life. I don't understand why this social issues stuff is so important to people.

[Anonymous No.20557566]

>>20555356
And centralized govt enabled it.

>>20557527
>It is considering socialists support those policies
But they also support a bunch of other retarded policies that nobody wants, which keep the working class down.
>There is a single socialist party in this world that does not push for government subsidization - be it food stamps, social security, pell grants or whatever government handouts can be thought of.
Who is it? oh you mean there isn't one. You can say the same thing about most mainstream parties that aren't socialist, that isn't saying anything substantial, which is typical of socialists.

[Anonymous No.20557569]

>>20557548
>he argument is government enabled this, which it absolutely did, and you even agree with it. How are you on the left but don't even care that the government response basically robbed small businesses blind and made billionaires more money in 2 years at a rate higher than ever before?
The initial argument was about whether government is chiefly responsible for the decline of small businesses. One line of reasoning was that government intervention is what is destroying small businesses, and how they responded to covid is proof of that, while the other is that big business is naturally more competitive and that covid just accelerated that trend.

[Anonymous No.20557576]

>>20557554
>I think the left, such as it is (I live in Canada and we don't really have even that) can offer at least a small measure of protection against all these liars, cheaters, schemers and scammers.
All they will do is give you handouts as they flood your country with 3rd worlders and call you racist and shill tranny freaks everywhere, absolute brainlet take. And they'll shut down your energy, making everything more expensive, and you'll end up a slave in a pod. The best answer is anarchism or the most limited amount of government possible, unless you can get a divine spiritual monarch (utopian I know). Become totally self-sustainable which is also the best for the environment, if you are stupid enough to believe in "climate change". I just care about the environment, climate change is a meme

[Anonymous No.20557585]

>>20553723
All the sides are kike sides, Welcome to modern world since the Enlightment.

[Anonymous No.20557608]

>>20557569
Big government is used as a tool by megacorps to wipe out smaller competition, almost every leftist policy helps with this, especially environmental regulations. "Green energy" is not economically sustainable without billions in government subsidies. In oil for example, megacorps receive billions in taxpayer's money to build meme tech and get tax write-offs and other benefits, while the smaller oil companies cannot compete. What you say about big businesses naturally being more competitive is true only in part. The on-the-ground reality is small companies are often able to undercut and outperform their competitors, which is why the free market is so powerful, and why megacorps always intervene in the free market to hold on to their position of market dominance.

[Anonymous No.20557835]

>>20552045
Chapo Trap House?
Is this 2016?

[Anonymous No.20557886]

>>20557585
How old are you

[Anonymous No.20557889]

You can tell for sure that this is lazy bait, by the way, because op added the extraneous detail that he bought the book on Amazon.

[Anonymous No.20558126]

>>20552045
chomsky
guevara
kropotkin
naomi klein
marx & engles
foucault
howard zinn
malcom x & mlk
w.e.b. du bois

[Anonymous No.20558203]

>>20552045
>leftist theory
Retard pilled.

Start with Plato and Aristotle so you have some fucking sense. "political philosophy" is literally... LITERALLY... hot stinking garbage after Hegel and Kant. you are asking me to recommend to you what garbage you should consume, and I will not cooperate. get some fucking sense in your brain before ruining yourself.

[Anonymous No.20558969]

>>20558203
Plato and Aristotle were refuted. No need to start with them.

[Anonymous No.20559034]

>>20554372
Marxism is vapid historicism for losers who think material conditions precede social relations and other miracle seekers.

[Anonymous No.20559049]

>>20558969
by who?

[Anonymous No.20559054]

>>20558969
If you call ignorance a refutation then sure

[Anonymous No.20559349]

>>20559049
Galileo Galilei for example.

[Anonymous No.20559362]

>>20552045
Read Stasiland and stop being retarded

[Anonymous No.20559366]

>>20552128
>critiques of capitalism
the patron saint chomsky was shilling for vaccines and lockdowns on behalf of aus rothschild
start by reading carl schmitt and you might get somewhere

[Anonymous No.20559389]

>>20554372
>>20553723
Reminder that Marxism is a secularisation of Judaism. Which without the religious aspect makes it simply a death cult motivated by hatred for Western and Hellenic ideals.

[Anonymous No.20560089]

>>20559349
What did Galileo say about Plato?

[Anonymous No.20560129]

>>20554372
Because 4chan only knows how to be reactionary and right now being a big dumb righty is transgressive enough to give some people the push they need to get out of bed.

[Anonymous No.20560672]

>>20560089
nothing. he's talking out of his ass. galilei wrote a book refuting aristotelian metaphysics

[Anonymous No.20560863]

>>20560672
Name?

[Anonymous No.20561328]

>>20557154
>Trotsky
>leftist

[Anonymous No.20561705]

>makes political blogpost
>tags on "uhmmmm.... recommend me some books, I guess?
>160 replies
this is why we can't have nice things

[Anonymous No.20561882]

>>20552598
Just admit you don't know any real working class people

[Anonymous No.20561889]

>>20552746
I would be curious too. They always were spineless it's funny to see them get backed into corners.

[Anonymous No.20561966]

>>20557080
The proles have always rejected your offers. You might not understand but real men want to work and have their own property. They do not want to live in your tranny kindergarten mommy state.

[Anonymous No.20561982]

>>20560129
>ugh why does 4chan disagree with me!?
Literally insane, you are 4chan nigger you're in here with the rest of use.

[Anonymous No.20561993]

>>20557070
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial

[Anonymous No.20561998]

>>20560129
You will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.20562042]

>>20552045
lol u might as well pick up Marx

Here's some stuff
>Wage, Labor, and Capital
>The German Ideology
>Value, Price, and Profit
>Critique of The Gotha Progran
>Das Capital

I mean u can read Lenin and some other marxists, but honestly just stick to Marx

[Anonymous No.20562045]

>>20559034
Its also very hylic

[Anonymous No.20562049]

>>20555852
Pro-Pol Pot. As a flyover hick I appreciate the sentiment

[Anonymous No.20562135]

>>20556564
leftist politics are about workers

[Anonymous No.20562146]

>>20562135
Why come they all supported me not working if I didn't get a mega corporation shot? Them niggas is all gay too

[Anonymous No.20562185]

>>20555893
Can't tell if I like the brown tomboy, fat tats, or the aryan ideal more

[Anonymous No.20562240]

>>20552045
oh definitely the Case Against Socialism by Dr. Rand Paul.

[Anonymous No.20562273]

>>20562135
Find a new identity to larp as. Perhaps a late roman German raider? That might be fun, grow your hair out, bathe in the river, etc