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[Anonymous No.20551677]

The union of egoists was the worst part of the book. If society and nations collapse, people will immediately start forming hierarchical warrior groups to fight over land and resources. Even if some groups took up a more socialistic and anarchistic style of organization, it only takes one group to decide that they want more than what they have and start dominating the weaker and less organized ones. He should have embraced barbarism.

[Anonymous No.20551728]

>>20551677
Based

[Anonymous No.20551791]

B-based..

[Anonymous No.20551938]

>>20551677
4chan is a union of egoists, Stirner was neither an anarchist or socialist. Bellum omnium contra omnes is his Stirner's declaration. He doesn't give fuck about you being poor or weak. If someone dominates, rapes, or kills you - that's your problem. Accept that life has risks and move on.

[Anonymous No.20551952]

>>20551677
Stirner's book isn't about "crafting" a new society, retard. Its about utilizing the one you have now for your own advantage through whatever means necessary. Stop believing in spooks like "socialism" and "communism" and "anarchism." Start focusing on things that are tangible in your life time.

[Anonymous No.20551995]

>>20551938
>>20551952
Neither of you seem to disagree with me that the union of egoists is retarded.

[Anonymous No.20552296]

>>20551677
>The reality of life is the worst part!
The whole thing went over your head, sonny.
Oh, and statism is already barbarism

[Anonymous No.20552317]

>>20551995
Anon, you're just retarded. Just stop reading books. Go eat crayons or some shit.

[Anonymous No.20552346]

>>20552317
>Anon, you're just retar-ACK

[Anonymous No.20552350]

>>20552346
Sneed,

[Anonymous No.20552577]

I like stirners jovial disposition and witty sarcasm
any other writers like him?

[Anonymous No.20552591]

We already live in a union of egoists. You're probably just soneone else's property

[Anonymous No.20552715]

>>20552591
>misses the point as bad as OP

[Anonymous No.20552857]

>true egoism
Stirnerbros... were we spooked all along?

[Anonymous No.20552906]

>>20552857
Just the dumbasses who think of Stirner as some jewel thief advocating a society of pirates

[Anonymous No.20552930]

>>20552906
>society of pirates
He would be 100% better if he did. What’s the point of egoism if you’re just going to be some nerveless feel-good faggot? You could just advocate for one of the social and more presentable forms of anarchism.

[Anonymous No.20552970]

>>20552930
>I need to be told what to do
The ego book isn't for you. Try drinking some battery acid, okay.

[Anonymous No.20552978]

>>20552970
No, I’m telling you what to do. Now don’t post in my thread again.

[Anonymous No.20553120]

>>20552930
You must be 18 or over to post here.

[Anonymous No.20553135]

>>20553120
Impotent yet, gramps?

[Anonymous No.20553529]

>>20551677
Based

[Anonymous No.20553877]

>>20551938
nice quote

[Anonymous No.20553930]

>>20553877
he didnt say that

[Anonymous No.20554589]

>>20553930
sounds like him though... his style is inspired by Gibson and Gibson's style was shit; not because Gibson didn't know how to write, but because he envisioned an alternative present instead of an alternative future
taking yourself seriously while confusing the four quadrants
>plausible present
>wishful present
>plausible future
>wishful future
is the definition of "you lost your marbles" or "your compass is bonkers" type schizophrenia
Nick Land's Fortune is that he is superior to the nihilist aristocrats & Gibsonite schizophrenics because he has a political dimension; in other words, he is not a chicken with a pencil

[Anonymous No.20554846]

>>20554589
that quote is a paraphrase from the bible, retard

[Anonymous No.20554865]

>>20554846
everything is a paraphrase from the bible, retard

[Anonymous No.20554896]

to be a true egoist means to adopt egoism but change it to your own tune so that you dont really have to ever follow everything stirner says to do cause thats not egoism

[Anonymous No.20555109]

to be a true egoist means not existing i. e. nirvana

[Anonymous No.20555380]

>>20555109
No, because existence and non-existence are both unique (it is always my existence or my non-existence, not existence or non-existence in general) affairs that have no value outside of what you give to them. Stirner did see self-forgetfulness as a merit though.

[Anonymous No.20555520]

>>20555380
that is kind of solipsistic... but at least it somehow contradicts this viewpoint >>20554896

[Anonymous No.20555540]

>>20551677
I actually want to check that out because of that reason.

[Anonymous No.20555555]

>>20555520
How does it contradict it? Egoism is a unique affair because it is my affair, not Stirner’s.

[Anonymous No.20555563]

>>20555555
Wasted?

[Anonymous No.20555584]

>>20555555
I want everyone to know that these are unique digits because they are my digits.

[Anonymous No.20555594]

>>20555555
witnessed

[Anonymous No.20555617]

>>20555555
>t. I don't believe in logic because someone else "invented" it

[Anonymous No.20555686]

>>20555617
Yes.

[Anonymous No.20555719]

>>20555686
next time just say you are a furry and spare us the headache

[Anonymous No.20555732]

>>20555719
No attributes can properly label the creative nothing which is the unique one.

[Anonymous No.20555950]

>>20551995
I'm not sure if the union is retarded - might well be. But your "what-if society collapses" is a useless Gedankenexperiment

[Anonymous No.20556001]

>>20555732
not even the attribute that no attribute can properly label it?!

[Anonymous No.20556071]

>>20556001
Only I can define what an attribute is, and since no attribute is no attribute for me, it is no attribute.

[Anonymous No.20556102]

>>20556071
so the creative nothing has the attribute of defining stuff huh

[Anonymous No.20556110]

>>20556102
I have an attribute, yes. The attribute is not me or something that defines me.

[Anonymous No.20556435]

>>20555950
I don’t care if society collapses. I’m just saying that if it does I’m taking the union as my property and making all of you my feudal serfs.

[Anonymous No.20556752]

>>20552906
Why would I care about what he advocates? I do what I do, ultimately only power can stop me.

[Anonymous No.20557288]

bump

[Anonymous No.20558872]

>>20551677
Based

[Anonymous No.20558890]

>>20556110
but having at least one attribute does define you!
which is just a re-heating of a stale existentialist argument

[Anonymous No.20559043]

>>20555617
just because a concept is logical won't mean it will inherently apply to you in a logical way, or even at all. sometimes there is benefit in being illogical, like when you're trying to seduce or impress a woman

[Anonymous No.20559050]

>>20556435
there is 99% chance someone else will make you his serf instead

[Anonymous No.20559070]

>>20551677
Anarchists are retarded, glad you figured it out anon.

[Anonymous No.20559095]

>>20559043
>like when you're trying to entertain a woman
ftfy s o y b o y

[Anonymous No.20559109]

>>20551952
> Stop believing in spooks like "socialism" and "communism" and "anarchism." Start focusing on things that are tangible in your life time.
But in order to obtain things that are tangible in my life time I need to utilize spooks like "socialism" and "communism" and "anarchism" to make goyim work for my benefit.

[Anonymous No.20559118]

>>20551677
The whole book sucks. Egoism is the dumbest shit ever. We live in a society and are a eusocial species.

[Anonymous No.20559135]

>>20551677
>barbarism
wait until a stronger group discovers technology and they will dominate your barbaric ass with their technically advanced fuck machines.

[Anonymous No.20559137]

>>20551677
Schopenhauer pretty much summed up egoism in his essay on the basis of morality.
Egoism is but one of many motives.

[Anonymous No.20559393]

>>20555732
"Fag" seems to do the trick just fine

[Anonymous No.20560070]

I still don't understand what "Unique" is, and what its properties are. Can someone help me out?

[Anonymous No.20560103]

>>20560070
Nothing a little reading won’t fix. Have you read it?
1. Either you read the “ego” translation or
2. You should try Stirner’s Critics. It clears it up one more time.

[Anonymous No.20560139]

>>20555109
That image is fake. Stopping progress means getting rid of women and minorities

[Anonymous No.20560155]

>>20558890
I define my attributes, self and existence. The only way one of these things could define me is if they escape and master me, which they don’t.

[Anonymous No.20560300]

>>20559050
>there is 99% chance someo-ACK

[Anonymous No.20560474]

>>20559043
what is the procedure for making lids?

[Anonymous No.20560503]

>>20560155
well, no disrespect, but this obsession with defining stuff seems to have escaped you and is currently mastering you... which coincidentally is why Adam was kicked out of Heaven too

[Anonymous No.20560542]

>>20560503
>defining stuff seems to have escaped you
No, but pic rel is what I defined you as.

[Anonymous No.20560763]

>>20551677
Based Translator
https://anarchistnews.org/content/wolfi-landstreicher-child-molestation-apologist

[Anonymous No.20560885]

>>20551677
The fact is that the socio-economic conditions of the egoist do not affect his petite-bourgeois worldview. His power to determine those conditions however, is itself determined by wether the class, whose intrests are served by his concrete practico-political action, is the class in wich he himself belongs to. So when we see that the egoists ITT, irrespectively of their take on the union of egoists, or maybe even their class background, they can both supoort a pirate society and therefore act toward it, or "conversly", support that the current socio-economic conditions should be left alone, we realise; that their worldview-egoism-has absolutely no baring on their practical activity wtr to the determination of their socio-economic conditions, and thus toward their liberation from them. They accept barbarism in any case, wether their attitude toward it is Stoic or Epicurean, wether its "statist" or "pirate", those that benefit from it merely do what is barely required for their honest justification, while those that their objective class position does not allow their intrests to rule, end up supporting "statist" or "pirate" spooks with their action, because their worldview is not really concerned with material liberation. It has the same purpuse as ancient speculative philosophy: theherapy of desires and passions. It is concerned with with wether the egoist "uses" the current socio-economic conditions, not with his practical activity in the society in which he lives, but with his attitude toward it; to become a stoic or an epicurean, or if he can, a gorgian, depending on wether that means that his ego is free. His material self however remains enslaved in the "spook" that is capitalist relations of production. The difference between revolution and Stirner’s rebellion is not, as Stirner thinks. that the one is a political and social act whereas the other is an egoistical act. but that the former is an act whereas the latter is no act at all. The whole senselessness of the antithesis that Stirner puts forward is evident at once from the fact that he speaks of the Revolution” as a juridical person, which has to fight against “what exists”, another Juridical person. The union that objectivly appears since egoists act toward one, conciously or not, amounts to the following. Whereas in his previous criticism he regarded existing relations only from the aspect of illusion, when speaking of the union he tries to get to know the actual content of these relations and to oppose this content to the former illusions. In this attempt, our ignorant school-master was of i course bound to fall ignominiously. By way of exception, he did once endeavour to appropriate the “nature of the matter” and the “concept of the relation”, but he failed to “divest” any matter or any relation of its “alien character”. They accept barbarism, in any form, thus fail to realise the objective power to abolish it.

[Anonymous No.20560981]

>>20560885
Everyone chant “all things are nothing to me” at the Marxist tranny to exorcise her.

[Anonymous No.20561322]

>>20560981
Will it work for this tranny too >>20560155 or is it too late for xer?

[Anonymous No.20561353]

>>20561322
Kek, I’ll admit that was pretty funny. I personally hold masculinity as my essence and property because I find it enjoyable. Not sure what Marxists do.

[Anonymous No.20561441]

>>20561353
>I personally hold masculinity as my essence and property because I find it enjoyable.
exactly what a lesbian plumber would say

[Anonymous No.20561474]

>>20561441
When will you be liberating trans folk and marginalized people of color from the oppressions of capitalism, comrade?

[Anonymous No.20561666]

>>20560885
CARRRRYYYYY ON MY RUNON SOOOON, THERE'LL BE READ WHEN YOU ARE DONE, LAY YOUR WEARY KEYBOARD TO REST, DON'T YOU TYPE NO MORE

[Anonymous No.20561715]

>>20551677
muh robinson crusoe, muh warriors
go follow your leader with a bullet

[Anonymous No.20561756]

>The Unique & It's Property
Whoa he translated it different, that's how you know he's a real intellectual!
Fucking retard, everyone knows it's "The Ego & It's Own". Unique & It's Property sounds fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.20561775]

>>20561756
You sound mad

[Anonymous No.20561790]

>>20561775
I'm kinda annoyed yeah

[Anonymous No.20561810]

>>20561474
they can and will liberate themselves... what you comrades have to do is liberate those who force-feed them illusions

[Anonymous No.20561825]

>>20561756
it actually sounds better
"ego" is an imported concept... and as it is something specific to far eastern people, it's hard to grasp for non-cannibals

[Anonymous No.20561918]

>>20561825
Yeah, I never liked the word ego or name egoism. Gives retards a completely false impression of what Stirner was going for.

[Anonymous No.20561926]

>>20551677
Read Junger.

[Anonymous No.20562409]

>>20561926
Was Jünger an egoist? I read a little bit of Storm of Steel but got bored after having trench warfare described to me for the hundredth time (not saying it was bad, he’s a good writer). Thinking about reading War As an Inner Experience instead.

[Anonymous No.20562757]

>>20560155
But anon your retardetion attribute, your autistic self and miserable wage-cuck/consumerist/lumpen povery fugitive existence are alien to you and do master you therefore they do determine you.

[Anonymous No.20562816]

(PBUH)

[Anonymous No.20563142]

>>20561790
>I hate how titles of books don’t translate to what I want them to be!

You are a dumb small peepee.

[Anonymous No.20563283]

>>20563142
spooky

[Anonymous No.20564214]

>>20562409
>having trench warfare described to me for the hundredth time
people back then probably read it like we are reading Turner's Diaries today: its existence is the domain of incredible, and fills us with joy and hope

[Anonymous No.20564302]

>>20560155
>The only way one of these things could define me is if they escape and master me, which they don’t.
I disagree. They do escape you and thoroughly master you.

[Anonymous No.20565436]

bump

[Anonymous No.20565810]

>>20564302
Are your attributes running? Well, you better go catch ‘em!

[Anonymous No.20566393]

>>20561810
>Marx & friends getting stinky erections from how they manage to animate the retards and the sinful
where have I seen this before... oh yes, from minute 40 to 43, here: https://www.pbs.org/video/city-of-joel-qs8tkm/

[Anonymous No.20567216]

>>20566393
Based

[Anonymous No.20567401]

>>20567216
no because you can't even exploit them without getting dirty
it's like punching a gypsy... punch it hard enough and you get infected
arrows are your friend(s)