/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20548859]

Why are autodidacts so hated and persecuted? They are like the heretics and heathens of our time.

[Anonymous No.20548860]

>>20548859
Tell me what you've learned.

[Anonymous No.20548917]

>>20548859
Because they're more often than not, pseuds. Would you let someone who claims to know how to do surgery do so on yourself, even if they've never gone to university?

[Anonymous No.20548921]

>>20548859
It's because academicucks are angry they spent $1000000 to write LGBT essays for a tranny prof while they get regularly BTFO online by the self-taught master race on any topic

[Anonymous No.20548926]

>>20548859
Culture of anti intellectualism and credentialism.

[Anonymous No.20548933]

>>20548859
>>20548859
Because you are not supposed to have your own opinion or research! You have to regurgitate what the professors and the mass media are saying, you stupid extremist. What do you think you are???

[Anonymous No.20548949]

>>20548859
Because most of them lack motivation and skills for in-depth study.

[Anonymous No.20548961]

>>20548917
It would be extremely rare for someone to pretend to be on the same level as a medical professional through self-learning, I doubt that's what is being discussed here. With other disciplines there is unquestionably a notion of credentialism which undermines autodidacts and places undue weight on college degrees which are in actuality often very basic in what they offer the student.

[Anonymous No.20548981]

>>20548859
because autodidacts go against the system, and most aren't all that good.
I'd honestly go as far as to say that even people who now sit at university and while studying their field study something else in that field that isn't taught qualify as some kind of autodidacts, if you study theoretical psychology while working exclusively experimentally and nothing of that sort was ever encouraged or taught to you you do qualify for autodidactic.
You can't really learn anything by yourself in a NEET-like environment. You need at least a space to study and something like that you can get as a normal person only in university while going against the flow.

[Anonymous No.20549027]

Like it or not, you need peers and teachers to bounce your ideas off, otherwise you stagnate and repeat mistakes and cliches which could be avoided if you engaged with other people.

[Anonymous No.20549101]

Generally speaking, autodidacts tend to be superficial in the sense of them never really going super in depth into whatever they're studying, since there was no one to force them to. No matter how intelligent or eloquent they might be, you just can tell that they're not really up there with dedicated experts, that they don't have an airtight grasp over what they're talking about. That said, some hyper autists do often beat the experts, it's not something that's unheard of. Literature is another matter entirely, and a formal education is often worthless, if not maybe worse than that.

[Anonymous No.20549108]

>>20548859
Everyone these days wishes and pretends to be an autodidact

[Anonymous No.20549122]

>>20548917
Surgery is a vocation, anon. Sure, it's one that's grounded in a lot of academics (which an autodidact could, of course, commit to memory just the same), but surgery is a job that requires a huge amount of hands-on vocational training as well. You're not making a great case for yourself here — both in the analogy you're drawing and for the implicit argument that, unlike the autodidacts, you are not a "pseud." Incidentally, autodidact here. If I can so casually and easily identify and refute your argument, which is ostensibly supposed to preclude precisely this scenario, what was your degree worth? Are you gonna quote Heidegger or something to get you out of this embarrassing mess?

[Anonymous No.20549136]

I think it's just a matter of specialization. A professor likely specialized in something like Ancient Greek Lit and has studied that for at least 8 years. The autodidact probably doesn't focus in one spot for so long, but instead just reads literature generally. Most of them don't synthesize their ideas into writing, and so never really crystallize them. I believe one can become an expert alone, but it's just unlikely that someone would.

[Anonymous No.20549147]

>>20549122
I unironically feel sexually attracted to this very confident and intelligent man.

[Anonymous No.20549163]

>>20548859
two reasons, one valid the other invalid:
1. autodidacts tend to read in a way that does not challenge their already held beliefs, while reading with a teacher in a social setting (this can also be reading groups, combined with youtube lectures or whatever) forces you to read texts you otherwise might have avoided, and analyse and notice details in a text that give a much better and more nuanced understanding than if youre just reading the texts you like and taking the things you like from them.
2. there is a strong sunken cost fallacy where people who went into massive debt for a nice piece of paper feel a need to defend the value of that piece of paper over people who just thought themselves.

[Anonymous No.20549192]

>>20549163
>autodidacts tend to read in a way that does not challenge their already held beliefs
the opposite can also be true
academia guides to to already established opinions
without previous knowledge you can have your own interpretation

[Anonymous No.20549278]

>>20549192
True, which is why some of the most influential thinkers were either autodidacts or people who came into a field while being formally schooled in something else.
With auto-didacts, the vast majority of them wont amount to anything worthwhile, but the few that are worth their salt will probably achieve more than those who are formally schooled.

[Anonymous No.20549309]

>>20548917
But it’s the contrary. The mechanization of the school system is what’s turned out the modern world of specialized drones, narrow-minded pseuds.
And it seems the system is like cloning. It puts ever degrading teachers to teach the next generation.

Home schooled should rule the world

[Anonymous No.20549336]

>>20549122
I'm learning welding on my own and yeah, real life experience is basically a must for any kind of hands on trade/job. math and shit is something you can learn on your own

[Anonymous No.20549363]

>>20548859
Because people here don’t read.

[Anonymous No.20549380]

Hypothetically, autodidacts are pretty cool.
In reality, people who describe themselves as autodidacts tend be socially awkward schizophrenics who believe anyone who disagrees with them is part of the System which they have so boldy circumvented. Every holocaust denier is an autodidact

[Anonymous No.20549385]

>>20549163
Kek this retard thinks academia challenges your beliefs and not just dump lefty propaganda

[Anonymous No.20549390]

>>20549380
Irving is a professional historian. You've been BTFO back to your trannybunker

[Anonymous No.20549408]

Modern autodidacts need to stop trying to justify themselves to oversocialized blockheads. They should instead follow in the footsteps of Old Europe's alchemists. Unironically.

[Anonymous No.20549418]

>>20549390
Irving is literally an autodidact you fool. He studied physics and economics, but never actually graduated. He has no academic credentials as a historian

[Anonymous No.20549422]

>>20549147
I feel as though this is indicative of a greater level of neurotic behavior you exhibit, seek real life relationships please

[Anonymous No.20549472]

I owe my interest in literature to the literature classes that were required in Uni. However I never liked assigned reading and got a lot more out of the assigned books when I reread them on my own. People don't read nowadays because schools turn the classics into dry academic exercises. Let the classes you take be a starting point but also don't let them take the fun out of reading for you

[Anonymous No.20549559]

>>20548961
I guess you never had experience of meeting alternative medicine practitioners or their patients. These people will claim how they will cure cancer just by changing diet or drinking beetroot juice.

[Anonymous No.20549570]

>>20548921
this, they don't even have the decency to (You) and express their rage, that's how mad they are.

[Anonymous No.20549638]

>>20548926
I'd rather get a degree once than farm certs for the rest of my life, and in addition a lot of certs are focused on technology and not base skills like combinatorics, calculus, data structures and so on in CS.

[Anonymous No.20549774]

>>20548859
Tell me what you've learned.

[Anonymous No.20549779]

>>20548859
I have ghostwritten two papers for an academic and I'm an autodidact.

[Anonymous No.20549814]

>>20548859
They usually have an inflated sense of how smart they are. They can fully give in to biases which will lead to a skewed education. There are issues with having someone guide you as well, but at least an educator can guide you and force you out of your comfort zone and challenge you more effectively

[Anonymous No.20549937]

>>20549779
I've ghostwritten philosophy papers for American undergrads and the feedback the professor gave was that it was PhD level. But I'm a STEM PhD

[Anonymous No.20549953]

>>20548859
Because they wrest themselves from society's arms of control. A typical education is not about aspiring to obtain a universal intellect but inculcating good little worker drones for corporate archons.

[Anonymous No.20549978]

>>20549408
If you studies European alchemy and got lost in hermeticism, you missed the Point.

[Anonymous No.20550072]

Because 99% of them are larping pseuds.

[Anonymous No.20550185]

>>20548859
>You taught yourself? Um, isn't that kind of problematic? Don't you think it's important to study with a diverse collection of marginalized voices? Isn't it kind of dangerous to go creating your own ideas without an ideologically educated professor guiding you? Why do you think it's okay to study outside the bounds of a politically correct syllabus? Who radicalized you?

[Anonymous No.20550326]

>>20550185
aww poor oppressed nazi. voices in your head acting up again?

[Anonymous No.20550340]

>>20550326
This poster fucks children.

[Anonymous No.20550347]

>>20550340
We could tell from the use of lowercase.

[Anonymous No.20550354]

>>20550326
>anyone who questions the progressive dogma is a literal member of the NSDAP

[Anonymous No.20550408]

>>20550185
Victim complex

[Anonymous No.20550427]

>>20550340
we know, you dont have to sign your posts like that
>>20550354
no, but they sure sound like huge fags most of the time

[Anonymous No.20550429]

>>20550408
>noooo don't call out the vile system you must succumb to the propaganda!!!

[Anonymous No.20550441]

>>20550429
So brave. Thank you for your service, smelly schizoid basement-dweller.

[Anonymous No.20550448]

>>20550441
>noooo don't fight the propaganda or i'll try to shame you!!!! y-you're a schizo! and y-you smell!!!

[Anonymous No.20550461]

>>20550448
Fighting the propaganda one basedjak at the time. The Freikorps got nothing on you.

[Anonymous No.20550474]

>>20550461
Seethe more fuckwit. No one is buying your crap anymore.

[Anonymous No.20550482]

>>20549418
Yet he still mogs 90% of modern historians

[Anonymous No.20550502]

>>20550474
Good, because I'm not selling any.

[Anonymous No.20550510]

>>20548859
Literally nobody cares about autodidacts, what even is this thread

[Anonymous No.20550514]

>>20549638

This is the literature board.

[Anonymous No.20550515]

>>20548859
Why do autodidacts have a chip on their shoulder?

[Anonymous No.20550523]

>>20548859
If I had a pussy I'd never be sad

[Anonymous No.20550558]

>>20550515
They crave validation from educated people. They want to be told they haven't wasted their time, because they know they have

[Anonymous No.20550568]

>>20550326
hitler was a catholic just like the jesuit tranny gang

[Anonymous No.20550573]

>>20548859
I have never seen anyone complaining about autodidacts, if anything I have seen some people praising them with the excuse of not being able to learn anything by themselves.

[Anonymous No.20550577]

>>20550558
>educated people

anyone with an IQ higher than a sack of dildos skips college and joins an occult order, you know, the ones that invented the fucking term "degree"

[Anonymous No.20550585]

>>20550568
duly noted

[Anonymous No.20550587]

>>20550558
There’s literally nothing more worthwhile to do in the modern world, your only other option is mindless consooming

[Anonymous No.20550640]

>>20550577
This board has reached the point where I don’t know if this a joke or not

[Anonymous No.20550653]

>>20550640
If you have a spare 10k you can ascend to the Next Level, where you might find out if it was a joke

[Anonymous No.20550660]

>>20550326
Aw man my voice in my head
aAaaAAAAAGH
I'M THINKING
OH
I'M GONNA
I'M GONNA DO STUFF
I'M going SANE
SOMEONE GIVE ME MY MEDS SO I CAN GO INSANE

[Anonymous No.20550742]

>>20550640
i considered calling you a hylic and telling you to make me a sandwich, but if this is your first incarnation in clown world then you should seriously join a right-hand path order and do something useful like praying this planet explodes and nobody ever has to suffer here again

[Anonymous No.20550766]

>>20548859
>School serves as an effective creator and sustainer of social myth because of its structure as a ritual game of graded promotions. Introduction into this gambling ritual is much more important than what it how something is taught. It is the game itself that schools, that gets into the blood and becomes a habit. A whole society of initiated into the Myth of Unending Consumption of services. This happens to the degree that token participation in the open-ended ritual is made compulsory and compulsive everywhere. School directs ritual rivalry into an international game which obliges competitors to blame the world's ills on those who cannot or will not play. School is a ritual of initiation which introduces the neophyte to the sacred race of progressive consumption, a ritual of propitiation whose academic priests meditate between the faithful and the gods of privilege and power, a ritual of expiation which sacrifices its dropouts, branding them as scapegoats of underdevelopment.

[Anonymous No.20550771]

>>20549163
I've been an autodidact for years and at least once a week I go out of my way to read something that I find unappealing, or to contradict my own thoughts and whatnot. On the other hand, most academically oriented people I've met are just slaves to whatever dogma has been grilled into their heads and not only won't challenge such things, but will actively try to crush me if I do.

[Anonymous No.20550773]

>>20550587
vgh what could have been, ironically and unironically

[Anonymous No.20550816]

>>20550577
TIL I have an IQ higher than a sack of dildos

[Anonymous No.20550821]

>>20550653
At the next level there is butt sex

[Anonymous No.20550823]

The only thing that matters in this conversation is the ultimate result of the individual taking either path. Retards salivate over credentials and rank, so I'm sure they won't consider the self-taught to be worth a damn. I'm more curious if you can consider most people that are supposedly "self-taught" to be autodidacts when they receive education through the internet by some of the top professionals in their craft.

[Anonymous No.20550840]

>>20548917
Do you think slaves who built the pyramids went to school? Or the soldiers of Rome building ever-lasting roads? Or Leonardo Da Vinci writing detailed imagery of human anatomy?

[Anonymous No.20551402]

>>20550840
There were no slaves building the pyramids. That's something an autodictat would believe.
Anyway, the pyramids and roads were designed by very well-educated people, not by the workers themselves. And Leonardo was literally taught art by Verrocchio, one of the highest-regarded artists in Florence at the time.

[Anonymous No.20551494]

>>20549472
Yeah I got all the classics I need right here, buckaroo.

[Anonymous No.20551507]

>>20548859
Because it's a demographic populated near exclusively by narcissistic pseuds.

[Anonymous No.20551510]

I've been reading nautical fiction extensively and learning more and more about the age of sail from each read.

[Anonymous No.20551518]

>>20551507
Imagine being so stupid you need to spend 4 years in school to write a sentence.

[Anonymous No.20551526]

>>20549147
I also feel this way (no homo)

[Anonymous No.20551532]

>>20551518
Autodidacts usually steer way off course to “confirm” their biases and views

[Anonymous No.20551541]

>>20551532
If you use the term "autodidacts" you might be a pseud.

[Anonymous No.20551543]

>>20551541
*crowd laughs*

[Anonymous No.20551552]

>>20551541
Luckily I don’t care if lit thinks I’m pseud. Just saying they have no one to guide them, help them and judge their progress. Some subjects are easier to be self taught than others obviously

[Anonymous No.20551553]

>>20548859
I'm not an autodidact though. I just go on alternative-taught courses like a youtube video or free programming course online

[Anonymous No.20551571]

>>20549380
>Every holocaust denier is an autodidact
It's not like they teach holocaust denial courses at university

[Anonymous No.20551591]

>>20550326
Thank you for informing normal teenage boys that not hating yourself because you were born the wrong skin color is a Nazi thing to do. This really makes me want to educate myself more on national socialist literature as I clearly have faulty preconceptions about their ideas. Would you suggest Mein Kampf before or after the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

[Anonymous No.20551608]

>>20551591
No tolerance for people who aren’t tolerant

[Anonymous No.20551776]

>>20551608
the greeks were pretty tolerant before retarded british homosexuals slaughtered them

[Anonymous No.20551788]

>>20551608
How bout we just don’t be tolerant?

[Anonymous No.20551820]

>>20548921
Absolutely this. Processed meat will only be able to follow orders, while autodidacts learn how to learn.

[Anonymous No.20551966]

I have the memory of a goldfish

[Anonymous No.20552019]

>>20551788
Fine. Just don’t be a hypocrite and bitch about the media and society picking on you.

>b-b-but they do it too!

[Anonymous No.20552994]

>>20551571
Have a think about why that is

[Anonymous No.20553216]

>>20550577
TIL I have an IQ lower than a sack of dildos

[Anonymous No.20553251]

>>20548859
Because an autodidact is just another stupid human, except now it thinks it is special.

[Anonymous No.20553288]

>>20548917
It's literally impossible to become a surgeon as an autodidact, there are no ways to practice your skills and actually work with the human body.

[Anonymous No.20553413]

>>20553288
you could become a decent necromancer

[Anonymous No.20553457]

>be born with high IQ
>read books in your own time
>apply knowledge from books to schoolwork
>people call you smart
>be born with low IQ
>read in your own time
>
>people call you an autodidact

[Anonymous No.20553569]

>>20553288
What about those working on human trafficking? Are those licensed surgeon too?

[Anonymous No.20553946]

King of the autodidacts

[× I V R I V S × !!GgBWHLRiayD No.20554193]

>>20548859


Because to "them" we "get away with things"; to us we become ourselves.

[× I V R I V S × !!GgBWHLRiayD No.20554199]

>>20548859


Because to "them" we "get away with things"; to us we become ourselves.

[Anonymous No.20554222]

>>20553457
Too much kek

[Anonymous No.20554377]

>>20550326
Based

[Anonymous No.20554978]

>>20551510
when will you tackle the final boss
>'On the bowsprit, now, there's a yard across, with the spritsail furled upon it. That's the spritsail yard, naturally. Then, coming to the foremast, the bottom one is the foreyard and the big square sail set upon it is the fore course; the foretopsail yard crosses above it; then the foretopgallant and the little royal with its sail furled. It is the same with the mainmast, only the mainyard just below us has no sail bent—if it had it would be called the square mainsail, because with this rig you have two mainsails, the square course set on the yard and the boom mainsail there behind us, a fore-and-aft sail set on a gaff above and a boom below. The boom is forty-two feet nine inches long, sir, and ten and a half inches through.'

[Anonymous No.20555058]

>>20554199
>ugly girl
>namefag
you should probably kys

[Anonymous No.20555798]

>>20548859
>autodidacts
What?

[Anonymous No.20555807]

>>20548917
Nice comma, retard. Maybe you should have taught yourself proper punctuation.

[Anonymous No.20556380]

>>20548859
>Why are autodidacts so hated and persecuted? They are like the heretics and heathens of our time
The heretics and heathens of out times are incels.

[Anonymous No.20556391]

>>20556380
dumbshit "incel" just means someone excommunicated from the catholic church hence why it's only used against pagans, it is literally just the word heretic with fewer letters

[Anonymous No.20556449]

>>20555058
>ugly girl

[Anonymous No.20556482]

>>20549380
>this dude hasn't taught himself enough about the Holocaust to deny it
o i am laffin

[Anonymous No.20556485]

>>20553288
how about a veterinary surgeon

[Anonymous No.20557526]

>>20548859
You should be both, a general autodidact of a lifetime and also have a proper education on what matters.

[Anonymous No.20557640]

>>20548859
mccarthy is an autodidact, so was kubrick

[Anonymous No.20557709]

>>20549380
Go back

[Anonymous No.20557859]

>>20549380
You're one of those aliens the sun god sends after me.

[Anonymous No.20557896]

>>20549278
I think that's an apt way of putting it, Anon.

[Anonymous No.20558040]

>>20557640
So was Tarantino, so was Conrad.

[Anonymous No.20558102]

I'm an autodidact but I'm also a huge dilettante so I never commit to anything and thus never get anywhere

[Anonymous No.20558139]

>>20551402
Slave labor was used for the simple manual labor like hauling stones around. The more complex work was done by artisans who were better compensated for their skills.

[Anonymous No.20558145]

>>20558139
Source?

[Anonymous No.20558181]

>>20548859
Because they did for free what others paid for.

[Anonymous No.20558188]

>>20557640
didnt Kubrick go to Columbia university

[Anonymous No.20558486]

>>20548859
Science, as many other things, is made by autodidacts. Once you get your PhD, there suddenly will be no teacher anymore to guide your learning, simply by the nature of the job in research. Unless you are able to discover and teach yourself new knowledge on your own, you won't go far there. And so also in any other field that requires maturity of thought.

[Anonymous No.20558511]

>>20549978
>phoneposter
>ESL
>most likely a kraut at that based on the weird capitalization
>implying alchemical works aren't loaded with hermetic symbolism and messages/double meanings
cringe post

[Anonymous No.20558958]

>>20548860
I've learned nothing.

[Anonymous No.20559442]

>>20548859
Why am I an autodidact if I read a history book by a professor, but not an autodidact if I attend a lecture by the same professor?

[Anonymous No.20559533]

>>20550185
The mass vs the individual

[Anonymous No.20559608]

>>20548859
>tell friend i'm going to renew my study efforts to make it from intermediate to fluent in 2nd language
>friend says he should study another language too
>immediately declares he'll study the same that he studied in high school, and now cannot speak a single word of, and has egregious fundamental misunderstandings of
>suggest him an easier and more useful language for his lifestyle/career
>sunk cost fallacy has already set in

People hate autodidacts because they can't do it. Not only can't they teach themselves, they can't learn even when others teach them. Someone can take 4 years of language courses in high school and college, and come out speaking less of it than someone who self-studied for 2 months.

[Anonymous No.20559622]

>>20548859
I'm one of them. mostly it has to do with the midwit processing plants known as universities. they don't want anyone challenging the current status quo so they're quick to shut us out in fear we might be right.

[Anonymous No.20559624]

>>20550766
he was right

[Anonymous No.20559626]

>>20551510
>thinks he is learning by reading fiction
you read from derivative regurgitation from midwits who learned by reading derivative regurgitation from other midwits. even some asshole on youtube with a yachting channel would be more educational.

[Anonymous No.20559659]

>>20553288
There was a guy in Spain who taught himself neurosurgery, forged a medical degree and then worked for a decade as a neurosurgeon before being busted. Not because he was incompetent but somebody eventually checked if his credentials were actually legit.

[Anonymous No.20559673]

>>20549380
I personally did my major in holocaust denial

[Anonymous No.20559770]

>>20549192
>>20549385
>>20550771
Academia only really works with 'established opinions' in the first few years of your study, and only with the express aim of bringing you up to speed on the current discussions in order to better critically examine them. The further you get, the more you are expected to critically engage with those opinions. I suspect most people that critique academia never made it very far. Of course there are also many that do not live up to this standard and end up uncritically taking over those 'established opinions', but those also dont make for very good academics.

I should also stress that this process of learning and critically engaging with established opinions is completely possible without academia, but then you do need to have a community that you are able to bounce your opinions off and that forces you to learn and critically challenge established opinions. reading groups are great for this, but even /lit/ has this function somewhat, albeit with a very peculiar and often unhealthy set of established opinions.

I think people thinking that academia 'brainwashes' are usually the most brainwashed themselves.

[Anonymous No.20559890]

>>20548921
It really do be like dat doe

[Anonymous No.20560091]

>>20559659
Ingenio español

[Anonymous No.20560864]

>>20558188
he took a few night classes when he was a 19 year old NEET but eventually gave up and fully went into photography

[Anonymous No.20560996]

>>20548917
>Would you let someone who claims to know how to do surgery do so on yourself, even if they've never gone to university?
If his protocol is well established and exhibits serious arguments, yes.

[Anonymous No.20561262]

>>20548859
What’s the appeal of audio books?

[Anonymous No.20561293]

>>20561262
They're more accessible.