/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20529649]

Any anti-marijuana books other than this Hitchens book and Alex Berenson's book?

[Anonymous No.20529983]

>>20529649
>anti-marijuana

[Anonymous No.20529991]

>>20529983
Problem?

[Anonymous No.20530036]

>>20529991
It’s a blatant disregard of hard evidence in favor of puritanical and arbitrary values that ultimately incarcerated more otherwise innocent, harmless people and costs everybody more money.
What’s the actual defense of being anti-marijuana? Hippies are annoying?

[Anonymous No.20530051]

>>20529649
>marijuana is bad because... it just is okay!

[Anonymous No.20530071]

>>20530036
There isn't much hard evidence if I'm not mistaken it's not legal to study in most countries so we have to rely on few studies in specific places. I've only seen two long term marijuana studies and both showed both short term and long term cognitive effects. The obvious effects we all already know without needing a study. We already know it fucks up your memory which is why people make jokes about it. I honestly believe marijuana is pushed by the elite to make the population stop caring about anything. Ths isn't just a /pol/ thing. The far left says the same thing. Hippies were too busy smoking pot and listening to music to revolt against the elite. As you see by yourself and the rest of marijuana users "just let people be people mannn" this 14 year old understanding of politics libertarian just so you can an addicted degenerate who needs to smoke pot to feel emotions. You are sheep and you a man child and you need to grow up.

[Anonymous No.20530077]

>books to confirm my presupposed beliefs?
How does /lit/ do it?

[Anonymous No.20530083]

>>20530077
You are extremely retarded and you should feel ashamed. I see you post this all the time. Is Marxist not supposed to read Marxist books? He should never want to understanding Marx or read Marxist books? A liberal should never want to read liberal economic books? He should only read opposing views? Fucking retard

[Anonymous No.20530111]

>>20529649
Lmao at the pothead cope itt
It’s a different strain bro

[Anonymous No.20530127]

>>20530083
>I see you post this all the time
I don't even know what you're talking about but I'm glad my comment got under your skin, you stupid pseud

[Anonymous No.20530129]

>>20529649
Bugmen like our friend here will never know the pleasure of burning a jibba in the barn with your cousins after a day of haying. Or passing a joint with the Jamaican apple pickers at the edge of the river as the sun sets

[Anonymous No.20530134]

>>20530071
they revolted against vietnam war
french strikes of late 60s were also obviously pot influenced

[Anonymous No.20530141]

>>20530134
Most of those were not hippies and the ones that were did it because it was a laugh. A social event. A fashion statement. There is a reason it was nothing but a larp that died out and no one took any power.

[Anonymous No.20530148]

>>20530036
>innocent
>harmless
I have defended these people and you are unequivocally wrong

[Anonymous No.20530163]

Being anti-marijuana is the bravest position one can take in modern society. All the Quentin comics were right.

[Anonymous No.20530189]

>>20530129
Kek

[Anonymous No.20530200]

>>20530071
>The obvious effects we all already know without needing a study.

[Anonymous No.20530206]

>>20530163
Quentin had no friends lmao

[Anonymous No.20530222]

>>20530206
It seems smoking weed has destroyed your memory. Quentin had many friends and girlfriends to discuss literature with; it was the weed smoker, like yourself, who spent his whole life at home alone playing video games like a child.

[Anonymous No.20530231]

>>20530163
FUCK I miss that guy. His comics were master classes in shitposting.

[Anonymous No.20530235]

>>20530200
I do have the studies but I've had these discussions and it's irrelevant and becomes a semantics debate. For the sake of argument let's say it's true and there is a proven decline in memory and IQ from marijuana use you already know you and your manchild addicted friends aren't going to stop even when shown the evidence

[Anonymous No.20530375]

>>20530148
Nice larping, but in all seriousness point me to the evidence that shows marijuana is correlated with violent behavior and not just loosely associated with all anti-social lifestyles harmless or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.20530380]

>>20530071
>not legal to study in most countries
You are mistaken. Type marijuana research in google and you’ll be proven wrong.
Why do you guys love to talk out your ass so much?

[Anonymous No.20530399]

>>20530077
What point do you think you're making? Honestly.

[Anonymous No.20530402]

>>20530399
>I can't find any literature that agrees with the thing I already decided to believe, what's the deal with that?
Hmm, I don't know! Fucking dunce.

[Anonymous No.20530404]

>>20530399
NTA but are you really this fucking stupid you can’t tell what he means? The OP is asking for books to confirm his currently held beliefs, which is a fucking moronic and pathetic thing to do. Is playing dumb helping you feel smart? God damn you anti-drug faggots are retarded beyond belief I swear to god.

[Anonymous No.20530437]

>>20530235
hey, I'd give it up in.a heart beat if they legalized shrooms

[Anonymous No.20530447]

>>20530402
>>20530404

Do you exclusively read books that take stances you disagree with?

[Anonymous No.20530455]

>>20530380
It's a different type of study. You aren't allowed to give people pot and tell them to smoke it for 40 years in the US or any country where it's illegal retard

[Anonymous No.20530466]

>>20530455
>the US where it is illegal

[Anonymous No.20530468]

>>20530466
It's illegal federally. Are you not American?

[Anonymous No.20530484]

>>20530468
I am American and I can go down to a store and buy weed if I so desire. What exactly is stopping researchers from doing the same?

[Anonymous No.20530491]

>>20530484
At this point I think it would be easier for you to admit you don't know the first thing about federally-funded medical studies.

[Anonymous No.20530493]

>>20530484
I think ethical reasons if not legally too. "Hey take this federally illegal drug not approved by the FDA understudied drug so we can study if it fucks you up in anyway"

[Anonymous No.20530506]

>>20530447
I don’t read books to hear peoples stances. I’m capable of forminf my own opinions.

[Anonymous No.20530509]

>>20530491
Does every medical study need to be federally funded? Can states not issue grants? Do private corporations not fund research?

>>20530493
So the FDA can never approve a new drug because it would be unethical to study it?

[Anonymous No.20530523]

>>20530509
>So the FDA can never approve a new drug because it would be unethical to study it?
They can't study federally illegal drugs so at most you would have some independent organization (if they even could I think it's still illegal) study pot users in a legal state. Again other than being very likely illegal it would be unethical which is why these studies don't exist in the US and you have to go to Norway and other places to find them

[Anonymous No.20530527]

>>20530506
Forming your opinions based on what? The things you've read in the literature you've sought out. Checkmate gaytheist

[Anonymous No.20530552]

>>20530523
>you would have some independent organization study pot users in a legal state.
>(if they even could I think it's still illegal)

Who is going to stop them? The FBI isn't raiding dispensaries. The DEA isn't shutting down grow operations. At the very least, I would expect that the big companies growing and selling weed legally would fund some studies to show how harmless or even beneficial their product is.

I'm sure the federal government could pull some grimy shit like revoking funding for other things if a state or university published studies they don't like. But it seems like a private organization has nothing to fear.

[Anonymous No.20530564]

>>20530552
>The FBI isn't raiding dispensaries.
They do though? It's not as wide spread because since obviously it's in a weird grey area but it's still very much illegal and the FBI has the right and does seize these businesses.
>But it seems like a private organization has nothing to fear.
You do when like I said above the feds can get involved. And again it's unethical. You can't just test understudied federally illegal drugs on random people as a private organization. Surely you can see how that could be a problem.

[Anonymous No.20530607]

>>20530564
>They do though? It's not as wide spread because since obviously it's in a weird grey area but it's still very much illegal and the FBI has the right and does seize these businesses.
Maybe a decade ago when this was still new. I remember the Obama administration going after some when Colorado first legalized it. But now? When was the last time the feds closed down a legitimate dispensary? It's big business. There are trade and lobbyist groups. Publicly traded corporations.

Being federally illegal means nothing because the federal government has chosen not to enforce its laws.

[Anonymous No.20530617]

>>20530607
I don't know what official policy is but it's just waiting and testing the waters and seeing what happens. The FBI tomorrow could shut everything down. I think we all know it will be federally legalized soon which I why I think they don't want to go through the hassle and potential blowback but they could if they wanted to.
>nothing because the federal government has chosen not to enforce its laws.
This is irrelevant when your a organization who has to worry about potential problems that could arise.

[Anonymous No.20530622]

>>20530375
>nice larping
You are genuinely retarded. Thousands of people take each State’s bar each year. Being an attorney is not an exclusive club like it was in the 50s. Law schools are degree mills and you are a receding chin, delusional loser

[Anonymous No.20530628]

>>20530375
Go to the hood bro, I am sure they will welcome you with open arms

[Anonymous No.20530876]

>>20530622
what’s your SBN then?

[Anonymous No.20530888]

>>20530622
>law schools are degree mills
Caught your larp. Law schools or graded on a curve such that you can pass all your classes and still not get a degree because you didn’t score high enough compared to other atudents
Why do you larp so hard, this is pathetic. You’re talking to someone who unironically scored a 173 on the LSAT you dumb fuck lol

[Anonymous No.20530900]

>>20530628
So no evidence, just rhetoric? Not surprisd

[Anonymous No.20530904]

>>20530622
Also if you were a lawyer you’d realize how FUCKING SHIT of an argument this is
>people have law degrees so therefore it’s rational to presume I have one
You are a fucking impressively stupid cunt.

[Anonymous No.20531045]

>>20530904
Nah, you’re just a moron whose eternal loser mentality tries to bring people down the same barren plane of existence your worthless existence has always occupied

[Anonymous No.20531056]

>>20530900
Just go to the hood, bro. So many innocent and harmless people there whose dick you want to suck since they’re fags just like you

[Anonymous No.20531171]

>>20531045
Damn bro you got called the fuck out lol. Just try talking less about shit you don’t understand at all.
>>20531056
See >>20530900

Swear to god you summerfags get stupider every fucking year

[Anonymous No.20531194]

>>20530036
the problem there is the word 'incarceration'
There is indeed nothing just about holding criminals on free real estate at the expense of taxpayers. The only just and practical forms of punishment are excruciation and execution.

[Anonymous No.20531203]

>>20531171
>demands evidence
>hasnt provided an iota of evidence all thread
Suck start a pistol

[Anonymous No.20531207]

>>20531171
No one called me out, samefag. You have not made an argument at all. You’re just pissed because you don’t even have an associates degree topkek

[Anonymous No.20531209]

why do potheads get so aggressively defensive when their special herb is threatened? It's like they're addicted or something.

[Anonymous No.20531282]

>>20531207
>I’m a lawyer but know fuck all about making arguments and going to law school
(You)
>>20531203
My evidence is that people exist who smoke weed and aren’t violent, and my evidence is literally anyone who smokes weed and doesn’t hurt people. The onus is on you to prove correlation since you’ve implied not, on me to offer evidence that disproves something not yet proven.

[Anonymous No.20531300]

>>20531209
Maybe because anti marijuana retards would literally throw a teenager in jail for his entire life because of their misunderstanding of a harmless substance.

[Anonymous No.20531310]

>>20531209
Only people mad in this thread are irate fags with no knowledge of what they’re saying being upset someone is setting them straight?

[Anonymous No.20531322]

>>20529649
i'm not sure about anti-marijuana, but clockwork orange showed a liberal society that sells drug-infused milk could be one possible cause of anti-social behaviour, contrary to what hippies were spouting.

[Anonymous No.20531327]

>>20531282
> My evidence is that people exist who smoke weed and aren’t violent, and my evidence is literally anyone who smokes weed and doesn’t hurt people
Literally no data and that’s not evidence. I could not even qualify you as a regular witness since you are borderline retarded, probably from all that weed you smoke.

[Anonymous No.20531338]

>>20531327
Ahahaha you are such a stupid coping little faggot hahaha. Qualify me as your fucking dad you little bitch, you’re saying nothing and you’re so mad haha

[Anonymous No.20531347]

>>20531338
>gets mad when people point out his wanna be gangster thugs are not the innocent little good boys that you make them out to be because you have their cock in your mouth
I have an active caseload of 400 cases for which a goodly amount are possession cases and they have a RAP sheet as long as your IQ: 80.

[Anonymous No.20531348]

>anti marijuana
Might as well say you’re anti bedtime and homework, you fucking child

[Anonymous No.20531357]

>>20531347
>internet tough guy
Holy fuck this is really the face on anti-marijuana faggots loool. You’re so mad and so fucking stupid jfc. Tell me more about your little dicked hobbies faggot, I’m laughing my ass off rn

[Anonymous No.20531361]

>>20530036
>What’s the actual defense of being anti-marijuana?
The drug laws were to protect the girls from the hippie guys that spit on the veterans. It was a bad approach to the problem.

[Anonymous No.20531465]

>>20530071
you dimwit. I don't even smoke but it's ironic how you manage to come off as such a retard in your anti cannabis argument

[Anonymous No.20531483]

>>20531357
Not a single made this entire shit thread. Typical weed addicts.

[Anonymous No.20531511]

>>20530628
>the hood is violent because marijuana

[Anonymous No.20532145]

Hello frens. I am recovering from a twenty year marijuana addiction. I smoked weed 5 to 9 times a day, every day, for twenty years. My view was that I wasn't hurting anybody. My view was that it's got medicinal properties and it shouldn't matter what I do with my body to anyone but me. The truth is that I destroyed my life. When you're stoned everyday for most of your life you are being robbed of truly living your life. You are robbed of your identity. The truth is I don't know who I am and I am just trying to piece my life together. I do know that I wish I had never become addicted to marijuana. I had a problem though. About 11% to 15% of the population is susceptible to become highly addicted to cannabis. It's an insidious addiction that will not destroy you as quickly as meth or heroin or crack, but believe me, eventually you will wake up having lived a life you didn't even truly experience. Should it be legal? Probably. Just don't dismiss it as if though it cause no harm whatsoever, that is a total lie.

[Anonymous No.20532243]

>>20532145
Based AF

[Anonymous No.20532321]

>>20532145
my cousin died due to poisoning from excessive water intake. The lesson? don't be stupid lol

[Anonymous No.20532337]

>>20532321
Being an addict has nothing to do with intelligence. I feel bad for your cousin though. Hyponatremia is a deadly killer. RIP.

[Anonymous No.20532348]

>>20532145
Weed has always been too intense for me and not a relaxing drug

But I've had several friends for whom it was like a miracle drug, they said it relieved all pain, made life good again. Except also turned them into retards who never did anything, making their lives way worse in the long run. Similar to booze actually, some people seem to be able to live off alcohol and not mind it. I can drink destructively but I could never drink the way some "functional alcoholic" friends do.

[Anonymous No.20532351]

>>20530036
Products containing THC should be taxed at a rate that makes it difficult for young people to partake in it. Marijuana has negative effects on brain development across the board and is linked to an elevated risk of moderate to severe mental illness. I'm not saying it should be illegal, but acting like it's harmless is stupid. It's a psychoactive substance.

[Anonymous No.20532364]

>>20531171
Brainlet can't fathom the idea that other people on here have actually accomplished things kek

[Anonymous No.20532369]

>>20531338
Lol holy shit this level of inferiority complex is just pathetic

[Anonymous No.20532379]

>>20532348
Yeah, dude the majority of my stoner friends (most of them I stopped hanging out with) didn't accomplish anything of note. Your life becomes a daze between half living and half dying slowly. Wake up, smoke, work, smoke, coom, games, smoke, read, smoke, pass out. Rinse and repeat.
Alcohol was a problem for me as well but it just amounted to needing 4 to 6 beer a night. Never got to the point where I did it all the time from morning and during working hours. I quit drinking but I can still have a beer here an there and it doesn't awaken those addiction demons.

[Anonymous No.20532381]

>>20531357
What are you doing on this board? Genuine question. It's obvious to everyone including yourself that you have nothing of substance to bring to the board, whereas I'm sure you'd be a dwarf among midgets over on >>>/b/

[Anonymous No.20532388]

>>20532351
This. Exactly this.

[Anonymous No.20532399]

>>20530036
hard evidence of what? marijuana induced psychosis, shizophrenia, and panic disorders? hear issues? its blatand addictive properties?

[Anonymous No.20532406]

>>20532379
Yeah I'm a 4-6 beers just to get drunk enough to justify drinking too. So I've had some bad periods with alcoholism in my life, drinking a lot. But I know guys who literally do not function normally unless they're sipping booze from 8AM to 1AM.

[Anonymous No.20532427]

>>20532388
I'll also say that there seem to be some real benefits to CBD. It's amazing as a painkiller and it seems to have some great calming effects without the negatives that go along with THC intoxication (which seems to be the main driver/stimulus link to mental illness). It could probably stand as an alternative to something like benzos but I don't know enough about negative side effects to advocate it without any form of caution.

[Anonymous No.20532501]

What is it about having low IQ and fearing marijuana? Honest to god, even flat earth era at least attempt to sound smarter than you stupid fucks. If there even existed a single death from marijuana you would all be too stupid to even present it as justification for your shitty beliefs.
Anyway, why do I give a fuck? Hating weed is basically admitting you have no friends, never get laid, and spend your life trying to prove shit to people you hate. Enjoy being sad faggots and seething over the perfect reply to this post lol

[Anonymous No.20532539]

>>20532501
https://youtu.be/s1yeBmSFkC4

[Anonymous No.20532551]

>>20532501
i dont know if this is satire or not, but if it is, bravo

[Anonymous No.20532553]

>>20532539
>>20532551
These are not the perfect responses; seethe, cope and try again retards ;)

[Anonymous No.20532565]

>>20532351
In every state I've been to legal Marijuana is priced extremely high. The work around to this is that there is a robust black market for it that is significantly cheaper. My state has legal weed and everyone I know that still smokes it buys it illegally because it's much cheaper to get from some random guy than it is a store, and I'm in my mid 20s.

[Anonymous No.20532572]

>>20532351
Throwing people in jail for it is what’s stupid. No one is forcing kids to smoke it by saying it’s harmless, they are truly and simply just asking people to leave them be. Further, marijuana is associated with medicinal proprieties that arguably outweigh the vague ponte rial for mental illness— for example it can ease the symptoms of Parkinson’s and other neuro dégénérative conditions.

[Anonymous No.20532574]

>>20532553
>REEEEEEEEEEEE
Don't be RAMA RAMA.

[Anonymous No.20532592]

>>20532572
The war on drugs is abviously absurd, but the topic at hand is whether or not the individual should seek to partake in it at all

[Anonymous No.20532606]

>>20532572
That's one of the dumbest posts ITT. First, no one is saying anyone is being forced to smoke weed, retard. Second, the point is that plenty of people are advocating the idea that it's harmless--being an alcoholic is shameful but being a pothead is comic relief. Third, the medical benefits have nothing to do with the impact it has on brain development and mental health (I even pointed out seemingly positive psychoactive properties in CBD). Fourth, the relationship between THC and psychosis isn't vague--it's well established.

[Anonymous No.20532641]

>>20532606
>being an alcoholic is shameful but being a pothead is comic relief.
This whole post is mindless drivel, but I have to single this out as the most asinine, moronic thing you use as evidence. I grew up on the simpsons, family guy and other cartoons that almost exclusively feature the alcoholic as the comic relief, and alcohol WILL kill you. Not maybe give you depression, it will fucking kill you.
You’re a worthless piece of shit. Stop posting before you think. The rest of this post is horrendous too.

[Anonymous No.20532659]

>>20532572
How many people are incarcerated for simple possession of personal amounts of cannabis?

How many people are in prison because they had weed on their person while being arrested for other crimes?

[Anonymous No.20532670]

>>20532337
people with high IQ can be stupid

[Anonymous No.20532675]

>>20532641
>let's just focus on an illustrative example because I have no argument!
The point is that the negative consequences of alcohol are widely known and publically disseminated, retard. Public perception of the negative effects of cannabis is vastly lower (e.g. just look at the Twitter feed of someone like Seth Rogan). Also, you ignored the rest because you're too retarded to come up with counterpoints and they illustrated why your original post was just plain stupid. Cope, retard.

[Anonymous No.20532679]

>>20532659
The amount that should have any charges brought for that shit is zero. Why is it so hard to call an unjust law unjust? Who is protected by this? I genuinely don’t understand the defense of strict marijuana laws by sayin “well the people were committing other crimes anyway”
I’m not trying to free criminals, I’m trying to make crimes match actual wrong done

[Anonymous No.20532687]

>>20532675
I ignored the rest because your head is full of shit. You don’t think. Stop acting like you do, faggot.

[Anonymous No.20532762]

>>20532687
>I'M IGNORING YOU
I don't care what you do, faggot. We're strangers on the internet. Cope.

[Anonymous No.20534059]

>anti-marijuana

[Anonymous No.20534091]

>>20532679
How are those laws inherently unjust? Simply because you are an addict and need to smoke 5 bong hits before going to the gas station does not make any of those laws unjust

[Anonymous No.20534101]

>>20531300
I wouldn't do that, I'd take the drug away from him and flog him. Incarceration is unjust.

[Anonymous No.20534108]

>>20532348
Any sane and virtuous person would not drink alcohol. Best to avoid it like weed. Not that, humans are capable of being more than just complex animals.

[Anonymous No.20534109]

>>20534091
lmao even Nixon didn't actually believe in scheduling weed schedule 1

[Anonymous No.20534112]

>>20534059
people who smoke are all retarded. There's no reason to do it.

[Anonymous No.20534134]

>>20534108
not comparable at all
Alcohol was and still is the backbone for social organisation in Europe

[Anonymous No.20534155]

>>20534108
OK MOM

[Anonymous No.20534178]

>>20534112
that's a pretty retard generalization of you

[Anonymous No.20534210]

>>20532501
When a stoner is faced with the reality of marijuana not be all that is cracked up to be and they have a reaction like this, I always think to myself, this is how I used to be. It's because you have an addiction. Get help anon. If you life falls apart because you can't go a day without weed, you have a problem.

[Anonymous No.20534312]

>>20530036
>arbitrary values

[Anonymous No.20534318]

>>20534312
yes

[Anonymous No.20534344]

>>20534312
Unironically yes, and if you can’t see that with something as benign as pot, your values aren’t just arbitrary they’re fucking pointless

[Anonymous No.20534367]

>>20534344
Could you give me an example of a non-arbitrary value?

[Anonymous No.20534369]

>>20534210
Lol you waited all that time to respond and still it’s just a bunch of moping and saying jack shit.
Honestly kys faggot. No one gives a fuck what you do and if you think it’s righteous to enforce laws that punish innocent people then your puritan act is just a sick lie meant to cover for you being a bootlicking drone. You’re a worse poison than any drug, you stupid pile of filth

[Anonymous No.20534375]

>>20534367
Understanding of others. And it’s not arbitrary because, no matter how you choose to react, more information about other accepted without biases helps you make more informed decisions.
Fuck, I’d even accept a line of scripture as a non-believer. What I WONT accept is hating X substance because American politicians from years ago said we should, which is what marijuana hatred boils down to. It’s honestly like an Eastern European still fearing “kulaks”

[Anonymous No.20534383]

>>20531300
There's such thing as saying marijuana trafficking should be illegal or at least a misdemeanour without saying we should throw teenagers in jail for smoking pot.
It's not a harmless substance. By one's early twenties, one knows enough personal examples to see the correlation between becoming an unambitious burnout and adolescent marijuana use. Studies of several substances, including marijuana, point out how using mind-altering substances during adolescence permanently rewires the brain to cause a proclivity towards substance abuse.

[Anonymous No.20534386]

>>20534383
Too bad I’ve got ever more anecdotal evidence of marijuana either being harmless or helping people, and you seem incapable of sighting these studies you consider so obvious.
As for the trafficking— that stops if you make the harmless substance not illegal you moron. Why are we going back in this stupid circle. Bro are you high???

[Anonymous No.20534387]

>>20534134
>it's traditional so it's good!

[Anonymous No.20534398]

>>20530628
But I live in a middle class college neighbourhood full of white stoners and it's the least violent place in the city.
The problem with the hood is that they're black, not that they have weed. Of course cuckservatives like Hitchens won't admit that.

[Anonymous No.20534401]

>>20534367

anything based off of actual empirical evidence. Weed was used as medication in China forever

[Anonymous No.20534405]

>>20534383
I'd bet video games has contributed to that far more then weed ever could

[Anonymous No.20534407]

>>20534386
That is my first post in this thread. Here's 5 seconds of googling:
https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/teens.html
the report they're referencing in the summary:
https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/factsheets/pdf/MarijuanaFactSheets-Teens-508compliant.pdf
and a study showing some of the negative cognitive effects of marijuana use
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3037578/
What I'm referring to is the fact that we all can observe a correlation between marijuana use and a dulling of mental performance and ambition. That's why it's used as a trope in media... because it's commonly understood through experience.

[Anonymous No.20534413]

>>20534405
I wouldn't disagree. Just as you can abuse substances, you can abuse forms of entertainment to the point of ruining your life. I am so lucky my dad took away the nintendo when I was like 9 and I never played a video game again except for Sim City when I was 12 or 13.

[Anonymous No.20534416]

>>20534407
Fine. Then lose sleep over the vague threat of “some negative cognitive effects associated” and the rest of us will use our brains and human empathy to be more concerned over the actual thousands of people losing years in jail and money in fines over these shits laws established generations before even a shred of this type of evidence was ever produced.

[Anonymous No.20534420]

>>20534413
It's called self-control lol

[Anonymous No.20534425]

>>20534383
The salient question is does the government have the duty to stop people from being lazy. I'm thinking no because the alternative is absurdly authoritarian.
Why stop at marijuana? Why not also ban television, video games and alcohol while we're at it. We can point to a lot of perfectly legal consumer goods that correlate with being a lazy retard but the government shouldn't have the authority to ban adults from any of it if this is supposed to be a country that values freedom.

[Anonymous No.20534426]

>>20534416
look, If we don't get these hippies under control Vietnam will be a MESS

[Anonymous No.20534441]

>>20534416
>vague threat
How is it a vague threat if it's explaining specific cognitive functions that are negatively effected by marijuana use?
>people losing years in jail
So you're shifting your argument now from "it's a harmless substance" to "the punishment doesn't fit the crime." Well, I agree with that that certain places' marijuana laws are way over the top and a greater social ill than the negative effects of marijuana. So we agree on something, at least.
>>20534420
And kids and teens are renouned for their self-control and discipline, especially when their parents are libertarian in mindset.
>does the government have the duty
Not really, but it should hold some degree of moral authority, meaning it shouldn't just rely on explicit violence when deciding if something should be a crime; they should make judgements based on the net effect something has on the stability of society, the economy, etc. That's one of their main jobs.

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>>20534441
bottom greentext meant for >>20534425

[Anonymous No.20534454]

>>20534441
the nice thing about the child and teen years is that you grow out of it

[Anonymous No.20534455]

>>20534446
So why not ban television, video games and alcohol also?
Why not ban 4chan? It seems extremely arbitrary to draw the line at marijuana.

[Anonymous No.20534458]

>>20534441
>And kids and teens are renouned for their self-control and discipline

yeah, that's why you don't throw them in jail for weed possession.

[Anonymous No.20534502]

>>20534454
No, that's the whole point. If you abuse substances as an adolescent, it permanently wires your brain for substance abuse. This is well-established.
>>20534455
If you can demonstrate that the negative social effects of television, video games, or alcohol outweigh the benefits, then that's certainly a conversation we can have. For the thousands of homes ruined by alcoholism, for example, how much of social and familial interactions are enhanced by its moderate use?
Of those three things, alcohol is the easiest one to justify banning and even that argument isn't clear. It's use shouldn't be encouraged, but allowing communities and families to internally regulate how it's used while punishing the crimes that are associated with its abuse is probably a good approach.
>>20534458
I didn't say you should. I'm implying that they NEED some form of coercive force to discourage them from using drugs and alcohol at that age. In an ideal world, that falls to responsible parents. In our world, it is a dysfunctional combination of the government/police and gutless parents.

[Anonymous No.20534506]

>>20534441
Not switching the goals, it’s both. Marijuana is harmless.
There are thousands of studies that come out every years saying some random shit will give you cancer, and no one considers the sun, eggs, cell phones, etc. to not be harmless

[Anonymous No.20534519]

>>20534502
nobody's saying children should have unrestricted access to weed tho

[Anonymous No.20534527]

>>20534506
I just showed you two studies/reports that show it is not harmless.
If you even glanced at the abstract of the NIH study, you'd see that it's not "there's a 2% increase in cancer among lab rats exposed to Lucky Charms cereal." It's that age of onset of marijuana use and amount used causes several explicitly-defined cognitive impairments.
>the sun, eggs, cell phones
Well, none of them are harmless. That's why it's retarded and/or absurd to use a word like harmless because so few things are actually harmless.
>>20534519
The people who truly believe it's harmless would have a hard time justifying restricting use. If they thought access to it should be restricted, they obviously don't believe it's harmless.

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>>20534527
harmless for adults ;)

[Anonymous No.20534536]

>>20534502
So why informal social regulation for alcohol but legal criminalisation for marijuana? Alcohol is objectively more dangerous to your own person, more associated with violent crime and any argument you could make that marijuana use is bad for families is dwarfed by the mountain of evidence that incarceration of a parent is bad for families.

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>>20534527
Again with the children smoking pot that no one ever mentioned. You’re more paranoid than a fucking weed smoker

[Anonymous No.20534546]

>>20529649
The only questionable aspect of the use of marijuana is the frequent use of near slavery-like working conditions for the farmers involved in its production, though this is also a concern with the production of many other commodities originating in the global south and also a consequence of its legal status in most of the northern hemisphere precluding any possibility of enforcing labor standards.

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>>20529649
>anti-marijuana
Really? Why not anti-alcohol or just go full on anti-drugs while you're at it? Pot isn't special.

[Anonymous No.20534552]

>>20530083
Most Marxist books are either "here is why [Marxist thinker] was a retarded fraud and why we need to rediscover Marx" or "here is why Marx was a retarded fraud and we need to move beyond Marx".

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>>20534536
There is formal regulation on alcohol. And I agree with most of it.
>must be 18 years old to purchase
>labels are covered in warnings
>highly regulated for content and ABV
>only available during certain hours
This is not how you regulate a "harmless" substance.
Informal social regulation plays a big part in alcohol use too. I actually agree that the more you rely on governments to govern people's actions, the less effective it becomes on average. That's why I'm saying imprisoning people for possessing a personal amount of marijuana is a greater social ill than the marijuana itself. Parents are still the best means of producing non-substance-abusing children (and therefore non-substance-abusing adults).
>>20534531
>harmless for adults
If they don't use the substance for the first time until they're about 25, yes. The persistent cognitive impairments seem more likely to disappear once use stops. Not the case for adolescent and teenage users.

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>>20534210
I think marijuana should be legal. The way that you get so uppity when some body questions the narrative that there is nothing wrong with it says as lot about you. Your drug addiction is obvious and does not permit you to look at the facts objectively.. You bring nothing of value to the discussion, reacting like a maniac with violence and empty threats. The truth is that your very being is enslaved by a drug, your thoughts are not you're thoughts. Hell, your body even has its own built in endocannabinoid system which can be activated by reaching higher into your consciousness. You will never experience this. Your life is just a poor copy of a Cheech and Chong movie. You have no aims,, goals or ambitions. You are nothing. And your lungs are shit too. I bet you're obese and can't even run a mile.

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>>20534543
What are you talking about? The two studies I cited both show that the negative cognitive effects of marijuana use are worse and more persistent in adolescent minds. This is because adolescence is one of several critical times of brain development and substance abuse during this time permanently wires the brain, often "locking in" some of those impairments and also predisposing the person to substance abuse in adulthood.

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>>20534561
Wouldn't the smartest move to be to regulate marijuana the same way? No purchase for minors, the same warnings as alcohol or tobacco and regulated for THC content. The only reason any of this isn't already the case is because it's blanketly illegal.
Speaking from experience it's easier to buy weed as teenager than to buy alcohol because for alcohol you need to rely on legitimate licensed vendors while a drug dealer will sell to anyone because they're already breaking the law and for many decades now growing marijuana has been a completely unregulated arms race to cultivate the highest THC strains possible. Legalisation and regulation is the only way to actually fight a black market.

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>>20530036
>otherwise innocent, harmless people
lol
>What’s the actual defense of being anti-marijuana?
Marijuana destroys people's lives and therefore should be discouraged for the greater helath of our society.

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>>20534561
so if you catch a kid smoking it, lock him up :)

[Anonymous No.20534602]

>>20534592
lmao why should I suffer because of someone else's lack of self-control?

[Anonymous No.20534607]

>>20534592
So does hecking racism and transphobia, lets ban free speech.

[Anonymous No.20534610]

>>20534602
I agree that you shouldn't, which is why Marijuana use should be discouraged.

[Anonymous No.20534616]

>>20534607
Sometimes I can't believe I share a board with people as stupid as you.

[Anonymous No.20534617]

>>20534610
I don't suffer from a little marijuana usage lol

[Anonymous No.20534619]

>>20534585
>shouldn't marijuana be regulated the same way
Yes, more or less. I actually think alcohol should probably be illegal, but we ran that experiment in several different places and at different times and it failed to achieve its goal of reducing use. Its criminalization actually caused more harm than when it was legal.
Now, legalizing marijuana with the same conditions as alcohol has might indeed cause a net reduction in social harm. I'm not opposed to trying it, but at the same time, for something that has been illegal for so long (probably for bogus or corrupt reasons, let's be honest), the mere act of government legalizing it sends the signal that it's not a harmful substance. That's why I think so many otherwise reasonable people are opposed to legalization...it's a tacit facilitation of marijuana use. But then again, marijuana being illegal hasn't prevented SO MANY people from using it anyway.

[Anonymous No.20534621]

>>20534617
But what about when your Marijuana usage negativley effects your finances? Or when it causes mental illness?

[Anonymous No.20534624]

>>20534602
Because WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY. NO MAN IS AN ISLAND.

[Anonymous No.20534626]

>>20534621
>whatabout

[Anonymous No.20534627]

>>20534598
No. I think corporal punishment from a figure he respects would be more effective.

[Anonymous No.20534629]

>>20534624
I'm not going to do it in front of an addict, anon

[Anonymous No.20534630]

>>20534626
>I don't suffer
>actially here are some ways in which you could
>THATS WHATABOUTISM

Clearly Marijuana has already caused your mental faculties to suffer.

[Anonymous No.20534632]

>>20534627
exactly, no need to make it illegal

>corporal punishment
Well, not that exactly

[Anonymous No.20534634]

>>20534630
yes, that is whataboutism, NEXT!

[Anonymous No.20534667]

>>20534634
No it isn't you retard.
Just using "what about" does not make soemthing whataboutism.
Whataboutism specifically is fallacy that involves dismissing a wrong because of another wrong that exists. An example being if I say that Marijuana causes certain harms to people, and another person responds "Oh yeah? Well Alcohol also causes harms too!"

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>>20534667
this anon is right
>>20534634
you are wrong
>>20534632
When I was 9, my father caught me playing Super Mario 3. He beat me senseless and I never wanted to play a video game again.

[Anonymous No.20534707]

>>20534695
>When I was 9, my father caught me playing Super Mario 3. He beat me senseless and I never wanted to play a video game again.
Is this really optimal parenting?

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>>20534707
Well, it worked.

[Anonymous No.20534720]

>>20534707
No, it's a joke. The best parenting is leading by example. When you're around your kids, behave how you'd like them to behave. Spend your time on things you'd like them to spend time on. Speak how you'd like them to speak. It's incredible how far this will take them in life.

[Anonymous No.20534722]

>>20532351
>Marijuana has negative effects on brain development across the board and is linked to an elevated risk of moderate to severe mental illness.
It's not, read the data.

[Anonymous No.20534725]

>>20532427
CBD is literally useless.

[Anonymous No.20535617]

Weed is the mindkiller

[Anonymous No.20535669]

>>20534722
It is. With specific regard to the development of psychosis and psychotic symptoms, the established model demonstrates that the cannabinoid system plays a major role. What is being explored is the makeup of a causal relationship, as weighted with other risk factors, between cannabis use and the development of psychiatric disorders. Basically, we know that cannabis use goes along the same pathway and causes changes to the systems involved and data suggests that the relationship between cannabis use and the development of psychosis isn't a good one.

To use an analogy, we know that a significant amount of people with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder use tobacco. We know that nicotine doesn't have a causative relationship but that its neurobiological properties increase the likelihood of comorbidity given the symptoms of these disorders. We know that cannabis use doesn't follow this same relationship--the neurobiological properties of cannabis antagonize symptoms (especially manic euphoria in bipolar) instead of diminishing them.
>>20534725
It's a great painkiller and also works as a sedative. (There's evidence that it fucks with unborn fetuses and women who are pregnant shouldn't touch it). Anecdotally, I thought its painkilling and sedative properties were bullshit until I tried it--however, I've found that the effects aren't long-lasting even at high doses.

[Anonymous No.20536628]

>>20530036
>What’s the actual defense of being anti-marijuana?
There's a reason they call is "dope", Son

[Anonymous No.20536755]

>>20529649
literally Infinite Jest

[Anonymous No.20537046]

>>20536628
Based.

[Anonymous No.20537055]

>>20529649
I'll read this for the fun of it xD

[Anonymous No.20537295]

>>20536628
That's smack, dad

[Anonymous No.20537458]

>>20537295
>SMACKs you in the head
Get it now, son? Also, stop being so fucking autistic--dope is dope.

[Anonymous No.20538468]

>>20535669
>we know
hahaha, you're such a wannabe faggot, YOU don't know a fucking thing.

[Anonymous No.20538490]

>>20534667
>involves dismissing a wrong
What? No

[Anonymous No.20538569]

Weed is great for introspection, that's why extroverted people don't like it.

[Anonymous No.20538572]

The HATED Peter Hitchens.

[Anonymous No.20538579]

>>20529649

[Anonymous No.20539111]

>>20537458
you don't understand me at all!

[Anonymous No.20539154]

>>20530375
Very well anon, you win this time.

[Anonymous No.20539168]

>>20538572
Very based