/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.20508453]

Rhino Castle Edition

Previous Thread:>>20497794

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[Anonymous No.20508461]

>>20508453
how do I achieve this level of creativity

[Anonymous No.20508497]

For me it's pulp kinos about White Chads saving White Chadesses from dindus.

[Anonymous No.20508519]

>>20508461
Stop using the internet. It's proven that boredom increases imagination.

[Anonymous No.20508530]

>>20508461
The painting?
It’s ridiculous

[Anonymous No.20508563]

Malazan 3 done.
I think I'm coming to like grandiose confrontations more than small collisions in this series.
Still, some small scale ones are incredible, such as the fight between the seguleh 5th and Onos Toolan.
the seguleh are my favorite addition in this book, being a martial arts connoisseur.

[Anonymous No.20508597]

I need some tracker, ranger, hunter type fantasy kino.

[Anonymous No.20508669]

When I started reading I Shall Seal The Heavens I wasn't expecting Intelligent Butt-Exploding Magic Mirrors

>41500 pages left to go

[Anonymous No.20508687]

Needing more loli recommendations.

[Anonymous No.20508697]

>>20508563
>the seguleh
wish they had more appearances later on in the series

[Anonymous No.20508702]

>>20508461
this is creative? the technical aspects are great, but the ideas are pretty generic

[Anonymous No.20508918]

Bakker is King.

Simple as.

[Anonymous No.20509005]

>>20508918
Truth Shines.

[Anonymous No.20509028]

>>20509005
and sandi whines!

[Anonymous No.20509046]

Bros... just about to read The Thousandfold Thought for the first time. Wish me luck.

[Anonymous No.20509047]

>>20508563
I've read some reviews about this series lately and some people regard it as the second coming of Jesus.

The fantasy setting really interests me but I feel kinda scared of committing myself to a 10+ novel shit after the disappointment that The Wheel of Time was.

Would you compare it with any fantasy series like ASOIAF or Kingkiller?

[Anonymous No.20509049]

Bakker gets all the hoes
His phallus is long like a hose
Sandi sucks Bakker's toes
it's a known fact, everyone knows

[Anonymous No.20509060]

>>20508563
Is this too YA like 95% of fantasy out there?

[Anonymous No.20509065]

[Anonymous No.20509077]

>>20509065
No.

[Anonymous No.20509081]

>>20509065
>kellhus has brown hair
>ahka and esmi are black for some reason

[Anonymous No.20509082]

>>20509081
well they're described as having black hair and eyes
probably some swarthy apes if you ask me

[Anonymous No.20509099]

>Raul keeps calling his girlfriend/lover "Kiddo"
lmao

[Anonymous No.20509103]

There's a few Jack Vance novels where somebody loves a kiddo.

[Anonymous No.20509139]

>>20509082
Swarthy apes roam the plain
Blonde beast began to invade
All who fought died in pain
Those who ran will be enslaved

[Anonymous No.20509354]

>>20509047
I dropped ASOIAF on 2 since I couldn't handle the bore. the world and scene building is not as good(knowing where things are spatially, putting clear images in your head), characters are on par, far more interesting magic systems, fuckery and involvement in the plot or fights. same 1v1s, better army confrontations. I find malazan to be darker, gorier and maturer(also unrelated but far less gay) than kingkiller.
so far it's at the peak of fantasy for me but I'd get someone dropping it on book 2 which takes time to fly.
>>20508697
sucks to hear.
>>20509060
It is one of the most mature ones as far as I know.

[Anonymous No.20509355]

reading about erin's period

[Anonymous No.20509370]

This sub has shit taste, Bakker and Gene Wolfe are garbage. Too hard to understand

[Anonymous No.20509395]

>>20509370
brain hurty

[Anonymous No.20509466]

>>20509370
>sub

[Anonymous No.20509489]

>>20509370
>This sub
Go back

[Anonymous No.20509496]

>>20509370
>sub
YOU WILL NEVER RULE SUPREME

[Anonymous No.20509515]

>>20509496
this, they want to come here and downvote and ban posters for posting Bakker, but they are is no downvote button, Bakker rules and reddit are a bunch of fools.

[Anonymous No.20509575]

>>20508453
Imagine how badly those buildings would sway with every step

[Anonymous No.20509584]

>>20509370
>Too hard to understand
Brainlet moment

[Anonymous No.20509618]

>>20508563
Nice. I'm about to continue The Bonehunters. I put it down for a bit. I love it. Karsa Orlong is my fave character in the series so far. He's like Conan and the Incredible Hulk in one.
>>20509047
Not that anon, but keep in mind that the first book is rough compared to the rest of the series. If you enjoy the first book, you'll love everything that follows. You don't have to commit to all ten books either. Memories of Ice is a nice point to stop reading if you find the series really isn't for you. I haven't read ASOIAF or Kingkiller, but I have read The Wheel of Time. Steven Eriksen is the better writer. That said, I've heard Malazan described as the kind of series that only schizophrenics love. They're not wrong.
>>20509060
Hell no. YA is shit.

[Anonymous No.20509630]

>>20509370
>Too hard to understand
That's the beauty of it anon. If you're just going to read easy going fantasy and sci-fi, you might as well not read at all. Netflix has you covered. No shame in it.

[Anonymous No.20509684]

>>20509370
only bakker and wolfe fans could be dumb enough to reply to this seriously lol

[Anonymous No.20509998]

wtf Frodo is like 50 years old

[Anonymous No.20510069]

someone was recommending "legends and lattes" the other day and it got me thinking about a number of other works I dismissed out of hand due to their corny names

for instance, has anyone here read "murderbot diaries"? is it any good?

[Anonymous No.20510074]

what books have the best milfs?

[Anonymous No.20510077]

>>20510074
Valgard’s mother in The Broken Sword

[Anonymous No.20510092]

>>20509047
>after the disappointment that The Wheel of Time was.
kys

[Anonymous No.20510146]

I have started Eye of the World

[Anonymous No.20510166]

Scott Lynch got his meds fixed and is coming back to writing. Neat.

[Anonymous No.20510200]

>>20510069
I remember that discussion and I don't believe it was a recommendation.

[Anonymous No.20510242]

>>20510074
>dad walks in

[Anonymous No.20510301]

TWI is quite good so far. or maybe my expectations were lowered since anons kept saying it'll get good later on.

[Anonymous No.20510391]

>>20510146
enjoy

[Shiller No.20510441]

>>20510166
>Scott Lynch got his meds fixed and is coming back to writing. Neat.
Idk why people want to read anything by him, only the first book of the Gentelmen Bastards was good, the second was only decent, the third one read like it was ghost-written. I have no desire to read the fourth.

[Anonymous No.20510452]

>>20510441
I gave those books to my boomer dad and he liked all three.

[Shiller No.20510462]

>>20510301
>TWI is quite good so far. or maybe my expectations were lowered since anons kept saying it'll get good later on.
Happy that you enjoy TWI, Anon. Where are you at the moment?

[Anonymous No.20510476]

>>20510391
thank you, ive been feeling kinda drained after a lot of reading lately so maybe the wonder that this series promises can get me outta this stupor, even if its super long

[Anonymous No.20510529]

>>20510462
about halfway through the 1st book. klb died just earlier.
i like it because despite having a fairly generic setting, nothing has played out generically so far. where other stories would be quick to go down a power-fantasy route, TWI seems intent on avoiding cheap stuff like that.
not that i'd be against that, but it seems promising so far.

not sure how much i like the runner chapters though. they're fine on their own but i don't like how they interrupt the "main" story. the problem right now is that they don't intersect with each other so it feels like reading 2 stories at once.

[Anonymous No.20510531]

>>20510476
wot was one of the first fantasy series i read, i just downloaded a sample to see what it was like and then i ended up reading all 14 books + prequel

[Anonymous No.20510532]

R. Scott Bakker

King of /sffg/

Simple as.

[Anonymous No.20510587]

>>20509684
>falling for reverse bait this hard
Clearly Bakker and Wolfe are beyond your comprehension skills

[Anonymous No.20510593]

What’s some sci fi with psyker abilities and telekinesis?

[Anonymous No.20510618]

>>20510593
Stranger in a strange land has some, as they are tied to the Martian's powers. Might be what you're looking for if a comfy coming of age story is what you're looking for as well.

[Anonymous No.20510626]

>>20510146
Have fun. The middle books are a slog, but overall I did enjoy WoT. It's a world you can really get lost in for a year or two depending how fast you read through the series.

[Anonymous No.20510659]

For me it's Fang Yuan.

[Anonymous No.20510660]

>>20510531
how far into the series did you get until you read New Spring? I've seen a couple posts saying don't read it immediately

[Anonymous No.20510667]

>>20510660
It came out after like book 10 originally so by publication order you'd read it then?

[Anonymous No.20510691]

>>20510626
the so called slog never felt like a slog to me, perhaps since i read all the books together and never had to wait for a new book to be published or since i don't dislike faile or the malden plotline
>>20510660
i read it after the main series

[Anonymous No.20510706]

>>20510069
murderbot's fun but never excellent

[Anonymous No.20510733]

>>20510691
People got spoiled because early books were released so close together, some in the same year. "The slog" is literally just having to live with a normal publishing schedule.

[Anonymous No.20510901]

For me it's Conan.

[Anonymous No.20510939]

I want to start a sci-fi series but not sure which one.

I want hard science, good characters, good world building and some good action with as little romance as possible.

What does /sffg/ think of these

The Dreaming Void - like the sound of the story, a microuniverse in the middle of the galaxy that is expanding and destroying everything.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/866136.The_Dreaming_Void

Shards of Earth - wanted to read Children of Time but I just can't get past the idea of spess spiders. His new series seems to get a lot of praise, story sounds sort of like Mass Effect.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55278507-shards-of-earth?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=DGvqTq7Ue7&rank=1

Revelation space - only book of Reynolds I've read is House of Suns which I really enjoyed. Don't know much about Revelation Space but it seems one of the most popular space operas.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/89187.Revelation_Space?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=bofO89plRz&rank=1

The Crule Stars - this is giving me Battlestar Galactica vibes. Not heard of this author before but BSG is my favourite sci-fi TV series.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43093526-the-cruel-stars?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=FjnceDZIFL&rank=2

[Anonymous No.20510949]

>>20510939

[Anonymous No.20510964]

>>20510901
I love this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe

[Anonymous No.20510967]

>>20510949
Pure fraking sct-fi kino.
So say we all :_:7

[Anonymous No.20510992]

>>20510939
Revelation Space is the only one of these I've read. It's Reynolds' best book by a mile, far better than House of Suns.

Hamilton is an awful hack and the other two are clearly marketed at brainlets (doesn't necessarily mean bad, but likely). Some other better options would be Blindsight by Peter Watts and Incandescence by Greg Egan.

In general, looking for books based on comparison with TV and vidya is a recipe for lowest common denominator trash - fine if that's what you want. Though Rev Space is one of Mass Effect's main inspirations, if that helps.

>BSG is my favourite sci-fi TV series
BSG is almost completely driven by romance. Some of it is great, but I just thought that was funny.

[Anonymous No.20510998]

>>20508453
You know what fuck it! It’s too hard to find a good litrpg so I’ll have to make one. What would you like to see in a reincarnation from birth litrpg?

[Anonymous No.20510999]

for my next sci fi read i'll the expanse series

[Anonymous No.20511011]

>>20510998
>What would you like to see
You going to the writing general, >>20506847

[Anonymous No.20511029]

>>20510992
I'm on the fence with Hamilton, but I like the concept of the story with this book.
Revelation Space and Shards of Earth are the most appealing so far.

I've though about reading Blindsight a few times but never got round to it.

Not looking for books based on vidya and TV though, just that those books have similar themes. Although I would welcome anything that is like BSG and it's themes.

[Anonymous No.20511045]

>>20511011
meme writers don't read

[Anonymous No.20511086]

>>20510998
Solo POV
No harems
Repays entity and gratitude 10 fold

[Anonymous No.20511129]

>>20508669
some books later u will understand that this butt-exploding magic mirror = rape

literally

[Anonymous No.20511135]

less than 1 month for the new cradle books... bros.....

[Anonymous No.20511138]

>>20511135
Never finished last one
Why are western authors so slow at writing

[Anonymous No.20511157]

>>20511138
reaper was in november
dreadgod will be now in july

not so slow imo

[Anonymous No.20511163]

>>20511138
6mo is the best for profits, from what he has said before. Rushing and writing so quickly is how we got the halfbook that was Uncrowned.

[Anonymous No.20511165]

>>20511157
>>20511163
Chi com authors write 2 chapters a day

[Anonymous No.20511172]

>>20510659
Damn, his genderbent fucktoy has nicer tits than I was expecting.

[Anonymous No.20511190]

>>20510146
don't expect too much

[Anonymous No.20511211]

was checking the amazon kindle store, why they need to put "A LitRPG Adventure" on every fucking title? why authors do that? noticed that everyone on this genre do this shi, why?

[Anonymous No.20511221]

>>20511211
SEO

[Anonymous No.20511231]

>>20510939
Lewis' cosmic trilogy
Out of the silent planet, perelandra, that hideous stregnth

[Anonymous No.20511266]

>>20511165
is it true that chinese are taking over sci fi?

[Anonymous No.20511267]

>>20511172
What fantasy books use language like "genderbent fucktoy"? Asking for a friend.

[Anonymous No.20511276]

>Johnny woke to discover that he was getting a blowjob.
Now that's how you start a chapter.

[Anonymous No.20511342]

I'm pretty sure Bakker broke the writer inside me, whenever I try to work on a story I catch myself just repeating his ideas.

[Anonymous No.20511361]

Just finished A Way Of Kings.
I started it because I watched his writing course and thought that I might as well read his books.
Ironically, I think that doing it this way actually opened my eyes to a lot of subtle shit I would have missed otherwise. Mostly writing techniques and things like pacing and timing when to reveal secrets and powers.

Any other writers talked about their experience with writing and shared some form of Post-Writing-Report after they finished their books? The sanderson one was definitely eye opening and now I really need more.

[Anonymous No.20511367]

description of a boner

[Anonymous No.20511442]

>>20511221
This means Search Engine Optimization.

>>20511266
That statement has to be qualified. There is still yet exceedingly little that has been translated into English, especially outside of web fiction. You may as well be asking if the Chinese language is overtaking English. The Chinese government and others does fund it in some ways. Worldcon, their primary award being the Hugo, will be hosted in China because of the democratic nature of their selection process. It really depends on what you mean. The Golden Age of SF still has a lot of influence on Chinese SF writers.

[Anonymous No.20511493]

I'm currently reading a book that's a satire of Men's action/crime novels from the 60s and 70s and the MC is about to put on black face to infiltrate a Black Panther group. This might be the greatest book ever.

[Anonymous No.20511494]

>>20509370
I agree that Wolfe is kind of overrated, but all /lit/ cares about is prose and hidden meaning. He's not bad, but his characters honestly kind of lack depth, at least judging by botns

[Anonymous No.20511495]

>>20511266
No, apart from the three body problem, name another good Chinese sci-fi series.

[Anonymous No.20511514]

>>20511495
Even TBP is poorly written, at best it has some original ideas

[Anonymous No.20511516]

>>20511495
vagabonds is good

[Anonymous No.20511528]

>>20511493
kek

[Anonymous No.20511551]

>>20511528
Sheit

[Anonymous No.20511606]

>>20511211
Trigger warning

[Anonymous No.20511620]

>>20511551
He didn't bang the sexy negress secretary unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.20511633]

Only a few chapters in but loving this so far.

[Anonymous No.20511702]

>>20511633
k

[Anonymous No.20511798]

>>20509099
literal garbage how simmons fell so far from grace i will never know. christ.

[Anonymous No.20511818]

>>20508563
Seguleh feature more in side stories, but not the main Malazan Book of the Fallen, sadly. You'll see more of them after book 3, but not as much as you'd probably want. And you should brace yourself for book 5.

[Anonymous No.20511869]

>>20509047
>Would you compare it with any fantasy series like ASOIAF or Kingkiller?
I would compare it to Glen Cook's Black Company series, if you've read that, but without the narrator-character framing device. Erickson directly cites Cook as an inspiration for his writing, so this isn't even my own impression. The main influence you see is how much of the books are "military fantasy", where a lot of the main characters are professional soldiers. For Cook, it was about the mercenaries in the titular Black Company, while for the Malazan Book of the Fallen, many of the main cast are serving in the Malazan Empire's various armies. However I wouldn't say there was a lot of similarity between Cook and Erickson beyond that. Cook wrote Black Company as a chronicle told by a character in the story, while MBotF is more of a typical epic fantasy told from many different points of view with limited omniscience.

I would not say it has much in common with either ASoIaF or Kingkiller beyond being epic fantasy. Considering also that Erickson actually managed to finish his landmark novel series while neither GRRM nor Rothfuss did, I hold Erickson in a higher regard. Especially considering how fucking long and huge Malazan is compared to what either of them were writing.

[Anonymous No.20511872]

[Anonymous No.20511881]

>>20511633
I'm glad for you. Be sure to say more after you read more or when you finish.

[Anonymous No.20511882]

>>20511869
It was literally inspired by BC.

[Anonymous No.20511892]

>>20511494
It's unfortunate that so many consider the best books to be puzzles and otherwise vague. But, that's also a practical matter for the continuance not English departments.

[Anonymous No.20511910]

>>20511872
Someone is doing your job better than you, RI-anon.
>>20510659

[Anonymous No.20511965]

If I like Wheel of Time, will I like this?

[Anonymous No.20511970]

mommys > lolis

[Anonymous No.20512086]

do any of you know the short sci-fi story about the 2 dudes (maybe 1 male 1 female IDR) that are investigating some sort of post apocalyptic situation and they go into a tunnel or mine of some kind and find a Gollum-like creature who iirc ends up eating one of them? It was either GRRM or Asimov I think

trying to remember the title

[Anonymous No.20512108]

>>20511211
Because people just google search litrpg and it comes up

[Anonymous No.20512117]

>>20510949
I don't remember this

[Anonymous No.20512131]

>>20512086
Maybe Sandkings by GRRM. I only vaguely remember reading it though.

[Anonymous No.20512171]

>>20511965
No, because the author is fat an unhealthy and the series isn't finished. You'll be thrown into the same boat as the original wot readers and gurmoids.

[Anonymous No.20512257]

If you don't like his books, it's because you simply aren't smart enough.

[Anonymous No.20512277]

>>20512257
i mean it's basically just libertarian fantasy where individuals with personal power outperform clunky slow bureaucracy/governmental systems in general, but you're right

[Anonymous No.20512301]

>>20512277
>>20512257
The problem with the Sword of Truth series is how the protagonist is actually a fucking horrible piece of shit if you actually look at him. Specifically what spring to mind is that one book where his childhood friend and chad cousin show up, and shit happens, and he tricks the girl into sleeping with his cousin thinking it's him, then she kills herself. Like, what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.20512313]

>>20512171
>because the author is fat an unhealthy and the series isn't finished.
he isn't that fat. if grrm is still going the surely sanderson will live for decades to come

[Anonymous No.20512314]

>>20512313
>he isn't that fat
I found the American

[Anonymous No.20512331]

>>20512314
most people in europe, latin america, polynesia and the middle east are fat too

[Anonymous No.20512349]

>>20512331
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE

[Anonymous No.20512358]

>>20512301
why'd he do it?

[Anonymous No.20512362]

>>20512358
Something about his cousin trying to cuck him so he tricked his cousin into thinking he was fucking whatever he name was, the Confessor bitch, and tricked the girl into thinking the guy she was fucking was him.

[Anonymous No.20512372]

>>20512257
Your average Goodkind hater

[Anonymous No.20512448]

>>20512372
why is there a weird cast to his skin

[Anonymous No.20512454]

Any new MMC, female vamp lit?
currently watching underworld

[Anonymous No.20512481]

>>20512313
He is a bloated toad.

[Anonymous No.20512497]

Nice

[Anonymous No.20512528]

>>20508453
Is there any satire of grimderp stuff? I like Pratchett but he mainly made fun of S&S, fantasy tropes, sci fi tropes, and human history of ideas.

[Anonymous No.20512550]

>>20512528
Grimdark books unintentionally mock themselves every time.

[Anonymous No.20512577]

>>20512257
The ultimate midwit filter

[Anonymous No.20512578]

>>20511965
Yes. The first two books are must reads if you enjoy epic fantasy and world building in my opinion. The rest of the books are just shitty fan-fiction that Brandon Sanderson is writing for a paycheck.

[Anonymous No.20512580]

>>20512497
what do you call this physique?

[Anonymous No.20512583]

>>20512580
Supersoy Me

[Anonymous No.20512589]

>>20511869
>Considering also that Erickson actually managed to finish his landmark novel series...
This is the fucked up thing. Malazan should be way more popular than it is. I have a feeling it's all down to the first book. It filters too many people.

[Anonymous No.20512610]

>>20510691
I don't like Faile, but she's the most realistic female character in the entire series for me. I've literally met that woman before. I felt like the middle books were way too slow and stretched out. To me there was no good reason for this other than milking the fans out of as much money as possible. It ultimately ended with having Brandon Sanderson finish the series, which was okay, but it's certainly /lit/'s worst nightmare for how they want their fave series to end. ASOIAF should be completed by Sando. I want to see the seething.

[Anonymous No.20512623]

>>20510901
Meh. I grew up with him, but I like Karso Orlong better.

[Anonymous No.20512637]

>>20512257
I didn't particularly enjoy being tricked into reading about his creepy sex shit. He ruined my childhood and his books should be burned.

[Anonymous No.20512640]

>>20512623
*Karsa Orlong

[Anonymous No.20512776]

>>20512086
the house of the worm by grrm

[Anonymous No.20512806]

>>20510529
>not sure how much i like the runner chapters though. they're fine on their own but i don't like how they interrupt the "main" story. the problem right now is that they don't intersect with each other so it feels like reading 2 stories at once.

That only get's worse. I wish someone would do a fan edit that breaks them out as different books. Some of them do wind back together but it takes absolutely forever to get any sort of interaction between some of the story lines.

I would recommend trying to skip the King of Destruction sections and then only maybe coming back to them later when they get relevant.

The clown boy stuff doesn't really connect that well yet either but I found it really enjoyable. I also liked the Emperor stuff, and it actually links up with the other stories decently but King of Destruction was just long and boring, I had a real hard time caring at all about him or his story or the kids he pals around with.

[Anonymous No.20512836]

>>20512610
> I felt like the middle books were way too slow and stretched out.
i enjoyed the malden plotline (although its culmination felt a bit anti-climatic). i thought it was fascinating to see the shaido change as they spend more and more time in the wetlands and also the general exploration of the southwestern region as we follow along with perrin. actually the thing i disliked most about the middle books were elayne's chapters specially in winter's heart

[Anonymous No.20512837]

>>20511211
There are lots of people that really like LITRPG books, there are also lots of people that really don't. When looking for a book you can narrow down the type of book based on the following categories.


>Fantasy
Action & Adventure
Alternative History
Anthologies & Short Stories
Arthurian
Christian Fantasy
Classics
Coming of Age
Dark Fantasy
Dragons & Mythical Creatures
Epic
Fairy Tales
Gaslamp
Historical
Humorous
LGBTQ+ Fantasy
Metaphysical & Visionary
Military
Myths & Legends
New Adult & College
Paranormal & Urban
Romantic
Superhero
Sword & Sorcery
TV, Movie, Video Game Adaptations

>Science Fiction
Adventure
Alien Invasion
Alternative History
Anthologies & Short Stories
Classics
Colonization
Crime & Mystery
Cyberpunk
Dystopian
First Contact
Galactic Empire
Genetic Engineering
Hard Science Fiction
Humorous
LGBTQ+ Science Fiction
Metaphysical & Visionary
Military
Post-Apocalyptic
Space Exploration
Space Opera
Steampunk
TV, Movie, Video Game Adaptations
Time Travel

Notice the district lack of category for LITRPG? The genre is quite new and wile likely more popular that several of the aforementioned categories it is still not represented. Their for authors and publishers have little option but to state it outright.

[Anonymous No.20512889]

>Start a throwaway smut quest about anthro plane waifus
>People actually read it
>People got commissions of the characters
>Now I'm writing the quest, a more SFW spinoff on RR, and in talks with some folks to maybe make a VN
Either I'm very lucky or sex sells way more than I originally thought. I've gotten more response/interest in this than any other writing I've done, even published stuff.

[Anonymous No.20512896]

>>20511211
This >>20511221 basically. LitRPG is written by the hackiest of hack writers, so they put all the most important keywords in the title like a boomer naming a a web page. Also the obligatory 3~4k shill reviews.

That's not to say it's necessarily bad, but the author is 100% there to jerk you off. If you're not having fun right away, drop it.

[Anonymous No.20512905]

Quite frankly I have no use for genre fiction that isn't progression-based. I am weak and my life sucks so I wish to read about losers becoming heroes. That's just how it works.

[Anonymous No.20512906]

>>20512889
Can I have a read? I was interested in RR because I want to write more fantasy and sci fi instead of my usual poetry.

[Anonymous No.20512914]

>>20512889
Well, I don't know what form they take but Strike Witches is relatively popular and there are a few other plane girl series . Moe anthro is very popular in general and there are various super popular series of them.

[Anonymous No.20512915]

>>20512905
There's a lot of that that isn't progression based on web fiction in general.

[Anonymous No.20512923]

>>20512889
You don't get any money from commissions of the characters unless you writing rather art unless you draw as well. The VN probably wants you to write it all for some scam deal and the art will be an asset flip.

[Anonymous No.20512952]

>>20512906
Look up Operation Black Lightning on RR. Should get you to everything.
>>20512914
We're talking aeromorphs, but ones that actually look like mecha or robots rather than just planes with tits.
>>20512923
Personally the fact someone thought my piss poor (imo) writing was worth spending 200+ USD is worth more to me than having that same 200 in my bank account.

[Anonymous No.20512995]

>>20512623
Yikes

[Anonymous No.20513013]

>>20511965
I liked the first couple books. Really didn't like the latest one.

[Anonymous No.20513026]

>>20512372
Isn't this guy a weeb now?

[Shiller No.20513230]

>>20512454
>Any new MMC, female vamp lit?
I don't know what do you mean by MMC, but A Journey of Black and Red is a very good vampire story on Royalroad with female protagonist, it's one of the better webnovels I've read and the climate and period-appropriate writing is top-notch.

[Anonymous No.20513236]

>>20513230
MMC as in male main character and female vampire.

[Anonymous No.20513242]

Any fantasy stories where the main protagonist is struck with the same divine madness as Ahab was?

[Anonymous No.20513259]

[Anonymous No.20513270]

Which is better known space (Ringworld) or future history (Lazarus long)? I am going to read one of those once I finish robots/empire/foundation. I want to write a big series like that when I get older.

[Anonymous No.20513284]

Shiller bro
I'm in the middle of volume 4
Can I skip 1.02C -1.05C for now and come back to them later?

[Anonymous No.20513352]

>>20511965
its all so forgettable, i read all of them two years ago and i cant remember anything other than the stupid love triangle

[Anonymous No.20513353]

>>20513026
all fantasy readers are weebs, you may junt not know it yet

[Anonymous No.20513357]

>>20512836
Hey I liked that part too, anon. I wish more was done with Ghealdan as it seemed pretty important overall. I also wish he had expanded more on Murandy. When the Red Hands go there without Mat and stuff just happens behind the scenes, I was disappointed. Robert Jordan knew he already had too much on his plate by then, which he paid for after his death (when the fat CIA Mormon vandalized his books). In an alternate reality, there would be at least a dozen chapters elaborating on practically every perspective. That was Robert Jordan's style and it's painfully obvious, outside of characterization and prose, how simplistic Sanderson is. I hope his own series aren't as quick paced as his Wheel of Time work because it went too fast. Jordan could've easily squeezed 2 more books out (in fact, the last one alone could be 2).

Also, anons, who is your favorite Forsaken? For me it is Asmodean. He was a real bro and it's a shame what happened to him. I did NOT like what happened to Demandred, and his character would likely have been much cooler in an alternate reality where Robert Jordan lived.

[Anonymous No.20513363]

>>20513357
>I did NOT like what happened to Demandred, and his character would likely have been much cooler in an alternate reality where Robert Jordan lived.
Sanderson completely bungled his plotline. For example it's basically explicitly confirmed that Graendal was in on his little plot earlier in the series, when she misdirects Sammael away from Shara.
Also, if it wasn't obvious enough, Taim was Demandred. That one's on Jordan though, because he had a habit of getting butthurt when people figured things like that out and retconning them. Olver being Gaidal is another example.

Semirhage would have to be my favorite of the Forsaken. She's one of the only ones that manages to live up to their reputation.

[Anonymous No.20513367]

>>20513357
>Asmodean tries to be friendly to Rand
>Rand is just an asshole to him
Sad. Many such cases!

[Anonymous No.20513368]

>>20513242
Ahab isn’t crazy.

[Anonymous No.20513372]

>tfw you didn't care about page length when you were younger, but now you get turned off from reading a book if it's over 400 pages

[Anonymous No.20513374]

>>20513367
I liked how Asmodean would always play music to mock Rand. It was fitting with their mutual attitudes and added a lot of texture to their interactions.

[Anonymous No.20513392]

>>20510939
Revelation space is the best one of those listed, but it also progressively goes to shit witch each instalment.

[Anonymous No.20513395]

>>20513372
Yeah that’s just how we deal with time management and thinking we need to maximise every waking moment. I hate it. I’ve started reading shorter stuff for that reason, but I need to stop.

[Anonymous No.20513421]

>>20512952
>Look up Operation Black Lightning on RR. Should get you to everything.
I'm up to chapter 3 anon and it's fun so far. It's basically KanColle meets Strike Witches? Be careful or you're going to end up with a gacha game.

[Anonymous No.20513428]

>>20512806
>That only get's worse.
her story is interesting enough for me not to mind.
but now i'm starting to have a different issue with the runner chapters. i'm starting to think that ryoka is an utterly braindead neanderthal. and i really dislike how the story is enabling her arrogance. i HIGHLY dislike that she can spar with these silver ranked adventurers without having any levels. even without the levels, i'd dislike the idea of a fucking gym trained girl of the 2nth century would be able to match the experience of an adventurer in a fantasy world.
now she's challenging the fucking minotaur, and she thinks she can win too. knowing her plot amor she might even be able to do it.

as of right now i highly dislike ryouka.
/rant

[Anonymous No.20513460]

>>20513421
>Be careful or you're going to end up with a gacha game.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Gacha games are extremely lucrative these days. Assuming, of course, you actually do something with the characters instead of just making them cardboard cutouts of different archetypes

[Anonymous No.20513538]

>>20513428
Nah, Ryoka is best girl. Runner chapters end soon, but she is one of the main characters and probably the biggest driver of the larger story line for a while. Levels are the prison. The only way to win is not to play.

[Anonymous No.20513542]

>>20513363
The ending with Olver is nice and all (at least he had a place in the pattern) but fucking hell, NOTHING was done with Birgitte and Gaidal. It's just a gaping hole, man. It was obvious the second Olver was introduced practically, with his face only a mother could love, but it just falls apart.
>he had a habit of getting butthurt when people figured things like that out
Is it because the relationship would be forbidden shota, or was Robert Jordan actually pissed off at fans? I mean, Olver is a little pervy Chad already, so I guess the age difference doesn't matter.
>She's one of the only ones that manages to live up to their reputation
She was pretty scary, yes. Lanfear is pretty great too, overall, with interesting characterization.
>>20513367
If he lived, they would have grown on each other. It's possible Asmodean would betray Rand eventually, though. I don't know. I liked to make what-if scenarios midway through the books but the Sanderson ending really killed it for me.

I have a theory that forkroot, the stuff that suppresses the One Power, is actually an herb with naturally occurring fluoride. The Wheel of Time books are actually soft disclosure not about the future cycle but the past and the people running the world today put forkroot in public water supply to suppress potential Aes Sedai and Asha'man from running around fucking shit up IRL. Robert Jordan was a freemason, after all. He knew things...

[Anonymous No.20513545]

>>20513538
well, the end of that chapter turned it around for me.

but still, i thought that chapter was very 'ugly'. maybe it would do better if the perspectives shifted a bit or her anger was a bit more foreshadowed. but ryoka in that form is a character with an insane amount of hubris that makes her extremely unlikeable.

[Anonymous No.20513551]

Greetings chosen
I've been waiting here for you
Since the beginning of this universe
You know the world is fading
There's a secret power hidden in your soul
Don't be afraid to use it
'Cause you're the one

[Anonymous No.20513554]

>>20513542
>Is it because the relationship would be forbidden shota, or was Robert Jordan actually pissed off at fans?
He just repeatedly changed his plans whenever fans figured shit out ahead of time. Also, Olver is older than Birgitte. Birgitte was reincarnated presumably as one of Rhuarcs daughters, which ties in to his boasting about how he'd learn from the Aiel.

>are actually soft disclosure not about the future cycle but the past
Nah it's pretty clearly set in the future. There's the badge from a Mercedes in the Museum in Tanchico, and Mosk and Merk were pretty clearly Moscow and America.

[Anonymous No.20513573]

>>20513545

TWI could deff use some heavy editing and big cuts but that's just not very feasible with the way it's made. You either gotta accept that or drop it. I do really like TWI myself but it's not for everyone.

Overly likable characters are are not liable for me. People are stupid, they make mistakes and are illogical.

Ryoka is an argent know it all and I wouldn't have her any other way. If you want an overly likable character in your stories TWI already has that position filled. You really want every character to be like that?

[Anonymous No.20513580]

>>20513554
>Birgitte was reincarnated presumably as one of Rhuarcs daughters
I meant before she got reincarnated. How come she had no recognition of Olver? Unless I glossed over it. That's very possible.
>the badge from a Mercedes in the Museum in Tanchico
The symbol of the Dragon is unexplained. No one has ever seen a dragon but it lives on anyways. The same goes for all universal symbols, in my opinion. As time passes, so does the distant memory of a symbol's true origin. In that way, there's no reason that the Mercedes symbol, right now IRL, isn't based on a previous incarnation of Mercedes. It's just as plausible as WoT being in the future.
>Mosk and Merk
Again, it could be linguistic convergent evolution. Perhaps there is a universal language of the unconscious that gets tapped into over thousands of years and America and Moscow are very important names for some reason. It's like there's an afterlife for ideas and places and things, just like people, and they, too, get reincarnated. In this way, almost nothing is dead forever, people or things.

Just a theory though. It's fun to think about and my forkroot/fluoride connection still makes sense regardless of past or future.

[Anonymous No.20513617]

>>20513573
no and i felt fine about her before this. and i'm more or less fine with her now that i finished the chapter. but inbetween there was a point where it seemed like she was
being a plot armor assisted 'badass'. that turned out to be untrue by the end of the chapter, much to my relief. but it's the tone that was off there for a short while.

[Shiller No.20513629]

>>20513284
>Shiller bro
>I'm in the middle of volume 4
>Can I skip 1.02C -1.05C for now and come back to them later?

I guess you can for now, Rhir doesn't come into play for a long time after these few chapters IIRC, but it's still a decent few chapters of Clown's madness and gives solid lore on Rhir, how that hardcore society on a blighted continent works, providing interesting difference between similarly militaristic society of Drakes on Izril but without the hardcore totalitarian authoritarianism that Rhir has.

But yeah, if you're not feeling like it, skip. It's not that important except for showing that Demons aren't the bad guys, at least not worse than King Othius and the Blighted Kingdom, and the situation with Earthers being summoned to the world is more complicated than it seemed to be, especially considering HOW it was done.

>>20513428
I guess you've already read the entire fight and experienced an extreme pleasure of having Ryoka beaten up. Ryoka vs Calruz is a rite of passage for Ryoka haters and a big pay-off. Ryoka IS supposed to be unlikable, she's a spoiled, arrogant depressed shit with borderline that cannot get her meds now that she was summoned to another world. Of course she is unhinged.

Ryoka acting like a maniac out of her meds is half the fun of reading her chapters. Embrace it.

[Anonymous No.20513662]

>>20513629
>>20513284

Clown boy is much fun. Getting to the parts where he is fun can take a bit.

[Anonymous No.20513684]

>>20513629
Planned parenthood only exists to summon heroes

[Anonymous No.20513702]

Why are Male protagonists so rare in Vampire lits?

[Anonymous No.20513705]

>>20513702
This book is supposed to be really good.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56269205-empire-of-the-vampire

[Anonymous No.20513707]

>>20513705
what the fuck happened to goodreads?

[Anonymous No.20513710]

>>20513702
English language romance stories are written for a female audience

[Anonymous No.20513711]

>>20513707
it's 80% women now

[Anonymous No.20513713]

>>20513705
I've read the first part and it was. Need to go back to it actually

[Anonymous No.20513717]

>>20513710
it's not fucking fair!
>>20513711
no, I mean like.. my UI's all... mobile-esque?

[Anonymous No.20513719]

>>20513710
What about my harem monster girl stories?

"It is our duty to produce many children so they can fight in the war and give our nation strength"

[Anonymous No.20513723]

>>20513717
Why the fuck are stars so god dammed inflated? I've dumped plenty of (((five star))) books because they were unreadable trash.

[Anonymous No.20513725]

>>20513719
I'm sure there's 100 stories about useless male-self insert x 1000 year old japanese loli vampire girl stories that never got translated

[Anonymous No.20513732]

>>20513723
Never read the 5 star reviews unless the book is definitely worth the 5 stars.

I always read the 3-4 star reviews, they seem to be the honest ones not made by shills and people who just rate everything 5 stars.

[Anonymous No.20513734]

>>20513723
Because only normoids rate books, and normoids have no taste and only like garbage.

[Anonymous No.20513742]

>>20513723
Truth is most people don't bother spending the effort to hate things
so the stars only real purpose is to judge how well the book pertains to the specific niche genre, and the number of reviews tells how popular this genre is

[Anonymous No.20513916]

I Shall Seal The Heavens is fun

[Anonymous No.20513972]

>>20513723
a full score usually just means only a few people have rated it.
the amount of ratings matter.

[Anonymous No.20514095]

>>20510532
So is this guy actually gay or what? He's at the very least closeted, yeah?

[Anonymous No.20514109]

Is there a particular reason as to why wuxia shit is so astronomically long?

[Anonymous No.20514133]

>>20514109
Because the story that inspired it all was astronomically long, and the most famous adaptation of that story, Dragonball, was also astronomically long.

[Anonymous No.20514142]

>>20514133
Journey to the West is the basis for all of wuxia huh?

[Anonymous No.20514148]

>>20514109
webnovels have to be long because it's the nature of the format
You have to build an audience slowly over a year or two and then hang around long enough after to make money from them

For older stuff it was largely serialized and you should treat it more as a series than one book. Like Legend of the Swordsmen of the Mountains of Shu should be compared to all of Sherlock Holmes or something instead of just one novel.
Beyond that it's just a case of what gets translated, Condor Heroes is the only series of wuxia novels of normal lengths with a professional english translation and fans prefer more recent stuff.
>>20514133
>>20514142
Water Margin/Outlaws of the Marsh is more of the direct wuxia inspiration than JTTW.
JTTW belongs to its own "gods and demons" subgenre of chinese fiction but it still obviously is a gigantic influence on wuxia writing.

[Anonymous No.20514245]

>>20513629
>>20513538
hmmmm? what's this?
ryokafags, care to explain yourselves?

[Anonymous No.20514250]

>>20513629
>>20513538
hmmmm? what's this?
ryokafags, care to explain yourselves?

[Anonymous No.20514286]

>>20508453
I’m trans and queer and I’m looking for some fantasy that isn’t cis Herero patriarchy or written by a straight (dead) white male.

[Anonymous No.20514287]

>>20514250
Literal daddy issues

[Anonymous No.20514341]

I’m just gonna say fuck it and read what I want then write what I want. Thank you for being real, /sffg/, even when I used to troll here and call you plebs. You let me grow <3

[Anonymous No.20514365]

>>20514341
>I’m just gonna say fuck it and read what I want then write what I want
Why wouldn't you do that anyway? Have you been trying to fit in on this anonymous Mongolian basket weaving forum all this time? Have you been trying to appeal to a bunch of autists all this time anon?

[Anonymous No.20514393]

>>20511965
You will, because they’re both shit.

[Anonymous No.20514555]

>>20514250
>hmmmm? what's this?
>ryokafags, care to explain yourselves?
Ryoka is horny for the 2 meter tall guy with horns. Typicall Ryoka behaviour.

[Anonymous No.20514688]

>>20512995
I'd rather be honest about what I enjoy that pretend to lover Robert E. Howard's writing. His Conan stories were the first adult fantasy stories I remember reading. The Iron Man was far and away my favorite book of his and the only one that I read multiple times.

[Anonymous No.20514696]

>>20514365
No I was at university and the professors used to make fun of me for liking genre fiction or schlock but when I went to my supervisor’s house, he played Red Dead Redemption in front of me. So I decided it was all a facade.

[Anonymous No.20514727]

>>20513723
It's like this nearly everywhere there's a rating system. It's like people only rate things in binary. It's either five star or nothing. True, you'll have many people that are reluctant to give a five star rating on anything, but all that means is that four stars is the top of their personal rating system.

[Anonymous No.20514730]

Is there such thing as Dark Fantasy / Grimdark with Christian themes? I mean fantasy where Christianity is subtle and not overt akin to LotR.

[Anonymous No.20514746]

>>20513357
>That was Robert Jordan's style and it's painfully obvious, outside of characterization and prose, how simplistic Sanderson is.
this is quite obvious in how pretty much every side character got screwed of a satisfying ending in the books he wrote. i've seen people claim that is one of the better aspects of the last three books' which is just baffling to me since of my favorite features of the series was the focus on the little details and the the small plotlines

[Anonymous No.20514839]

>>20511882
Yes that is exactly what I said in that post.

[Anonymous No.20514877]

>>20511965
I very much enjoyed WoT and I liked Way of Kings. I would say that enjoyment of Stormlight Archive is bound to wane past the first couple books. Kaladin was a great character, but I think Sanderson wrote him great on accident since he's shown no ability to do anything with him except repeat the exact same character arc from the first two books several times.

[Anonymous No.20514895]

[Anonymous No.20514902]

>>20514730
>Dark Fantasy / Grimdark with Christian themes
Yes, Gideon Ira: Knight of the Blood Cross
>...fantasy where Christianity is subtle
oh, nevermind then

[Anonymous No.20514912]

>>20514839
Well I'm blind and missed it, so there.

[Anonymous No.20514926]

>>20512589
I think it's more that Malazan never got the same kind of marketing hype that WoT did back when it was new. WoT was a big deal back in the 1990s, but the hype machine started to fall off a bit going into the 00s when newer authors started coming to the fore and Jordon's momentum began slowing, but by then it had a massive following. I don't really find Gardens of the Moon off-putting or hard to get into, at least not compared to the rest of the series, so I don't really get why people try to tar it as the reason the series isn't as popular as mainstream darlings.

[Anonymous No.20514943]

Friends, fags, shitposters, life has been kicking my ass lately. I need some light hearted feelgood wish fullfillment story I can slide into to escape my nightmare life for a few hours. Can any of you guys offer suggestions?

[Anonymous No.20514946]

>>20514943
Book of the New Sun

[Anonymous No.20514950]

>>20514926
I know three people irl who couldn't read Gardens of the Moon because it was "too confusing".

[Anonymous No.20514953]

>>20514902
No, I'll take it. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.20514954]

>>20514943
All ~36 books of Discworld.

[Anonymous No.20514960]

>>20514950
Again, that is Malazan in general. If you can't follow Gardens of the Moon you aren't going to do well with any book in the series because there is no point where the series becomes "easy to understand", it's a cumulative effect from sticking with it and absorbing information. People read for different reasons, though, and not everybody wants to read a series that requires that amount of active participation from the reader. I know I'm not always in that mood which is why I've not reread Malazan Book of the Fallen since I finished it. It's a daunting undertaking even if you've already read through it once.

[Anonymous No.20514972]

>>20514960
>Again, that is Malazan in general.
My point is that people do in fact find it off-putting and hard to get into. The rest of the series is irrelevant, nobody's going to read any of the other books if they can't get through the first one.

[Anonymous No.20514980]

>>20514972
And my point is that singling out GotM as somehow different doesn't make sense. I freely admit Malazan is hard to get into for people who want something light and easy to read, but that isn't GotM, that's Malazan Book of the Fallen.

[Anonymous No.20514991]

>>20514980
Nobody's saying Gardens of the Moon is different. The point is that it's the first book. It's the one people will read and get filtered by. That's it. That's why it's singled out. Because it's what people try to read. The one book. That's all that's happening.

[Anonymous No.20515196]

>>20514991
>Nobody's saying Gardens of the Moon is different.
That is literally what the guy I was replying to said: >>20512589
>I have a feeling it's all down to the first book. It filters too many people.

[Anonymous No.20515214]

>>20515196
Do you not see that I'm saying the exact same he is?

[Anonymous No.20515317]

>>20514688
Yikes

[Anonymous No.20515322]

>>20508563
was deciding between mazalan and mistborn to start next. Would you recomment?

[Anonymous No.20515323]

>>20514943
Bakker is king, simple.

Maybe Beware of Chicken? Perfect Run? Both are over on RR.

[Anonymous No.20515331]

>>20514730
The Great Die Slow by Harry Piper. Anthology of Dark Fantasy stories written by a non-preachy Christian.

[Anonymous No.20515335]

>>20514730
David Gemmell's fantasy could get pretty dark and very violent and he was a Christian. The Christian theme of redemption runs through a lot of his stories.

[Anonymous No.20515369]

>>20514730
The two primary characters are neatly designed and paired: “Al-Aaron”, a young priest-warrior, serves as a teacher of sorts to the older “Chaelus,” a prince dragged into a battle for redemption. The child leads the adult in a believable, interesting way. They battle a disembodied evil (the titular Dragon), and those it has corrupted: the wraith-like Remnants. Chaelus is haunted by a former love, the loss of a mother, and a deadly relationship with his father.

Christianity is not overtly identified, but readers will detect its influence given the inclusion of:
1) Ever present themes of redemption
2) Lots of resurrection
3) A magic system based on blind faith
4) A medieval milieu with priest-warriors (Crusaders): these are the white robed, chain mailed Servian Knights, adorned with red, prostrate crosses on their chests. They are equipped with cloth covered swords and vowed to use their weapons only against intangible demons
5) Angelic warfare between a merciful Creator/Giver and a Dragon/Serpent who assumes shadowy form that can poison souls (arguably a more effective dark-force than Tolkien’s Sauron)

[Anonymous No.20515454]

>>20514943
Unironically wheel of time or sword of truth. You can just read it and you don't really need to think about it.

[Anonymous No.20515541]

>>20514943
Ignore this>>20515454 retard

what happened, buddy?

[Anonymous No.20515581]

>>20515541
What's wrong with my recommendation? Those series are just easy reads that take place in cool fantasy worlds. That's what he wants.

[Anonymous No.20515616]

One thing about I shall seal the Heavens that i also dont know if the author is retarded or if its again, the translator fault

But the chapter name almost always gives spoilers, like, previous chapter the MC was fighiting Xi Jinping, then you go to the next chapter and the chapter title big like a sun screaming "XIN JINPING DIES !", like wtf bros? im already at book 9 so i dont really care anymore, but just saw another title spoiler like this right now and i just started laughing and thinking how can someone do something like this? since the translator just fucked so many things im just blaming him

this deathblade fucker calls himself "the world's most accomplished expert in Chinese fantasy genres" but hes fucking and messing around the whole book series

[Anonymous No.20515648]

>>20515317
Here's your (You)

[Anonymous No.20515676]

>>20515648
Yikes!

[Anonymous No.20515716]

>>20509046
About halfway thru The Warrior Prophet. Good luck. Speak next month.

[Anonymous No.20515743]

>>20511342
Whats the pic from?

[Anonymous No.20515898]

Based.

[Anonymous No.20516058]

>>20512836
>thing i disliked most about the middle books were elayne's chapters
The best advice I can give anyone reading WoT is to just never read an Elayne/Nynaeve chapter, at least after Elayne starts her retake the throne arc. The series is so much better when you do that. So much less braid tugging and pampered white girl whinging.
> who is your favorite Forsaken?
Demandred got done dirty indeed, but Ishamael is the clear choice for best. Graendel gets #2. Semirhage could've been best, but she never gets filled in properly.
>>20513542
>NOTHING was done with Birgitte and Gaidal
Wait, yeah, Sanderson just dropped that didn't he?
(I completely missed Olver was Gaidal, but then I guess he wasn't)

>>20514926
>I don't really find Gardens of the Moon off-putting or hard to get into
I just started it. I really like it. What are the complaints? You have to think and the author doesn't exposition bomb you with everything from page 1? Isn't that the fun of exploring a new fantasy world?

>>20514943
>Happy wish fulfillment
WoT, you've got years worth of material there. Ignore the other retard telling you to ignore the other retard. We're all retarded for reading genre books instead of Finnegan's Wake and Gravity's Rainbow and The Brothers Karamazov all day every day.
WoT is fun and light by the standards of Malazan/ASOIAF and the like, and has all the wish fulfillment you could ever ask for. You're in really good hands with Jordan.

[Anonymous No.20516112]

>>20516058
>Semirhage could've been best, but she never gets filled in properly.
it's quite unfortunate her arc only got going in the last few books before sanderson took over

[Anonymous No.20516329]

>>20515322
malazan

[Anonymous No.20516496]

what do you think of the riftwar cycle?

[Anonymous No.20516502]

>>20514943
read something biblical/Christian
The Song of Albion by Stephen R. Lawhead
Three Hearts and Three Lions by Poul Anderson
Rabshakeh by Jill Francis Hudson
Theophilos by Michael D. O'Brien
on my reading list is Father Elijah, by the same author as Theophilos, The Spear, and The Living Wood, both by Louis de Wohl, and The Great Divorce by C.S. Lewis

[Anonymous No.20516535]

>>20515322
Definitely Malazan

[Anonymous No.20516542]

>>20513242
if you like webnovels
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/51358/dungeon-devotee

[Anonymous No.20516584]

>>20516496
I enjoy them, they're solid fantasy reads that are easy to get into. Nothing that will blow your cranium into orbit, but a good time nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.20516603]

>>20514730
>Is there such thing as Dark Fantasy / Grimdark with Christian themes? I mean fantasy where Christianity is subtle and not overt akin to LotR.
Lord of the Ring's tackling of Christian themes is just about as subtle as you can get without making it completely detached from Christianity altogether. If you wanted a de-Christianized version of Lord of the Rings, you'd just have David Eddings' Belgariad, and even then that features an omnipotent Father of the Gods creator named UL, which is obviously referencing EL. Even C.S Lewis' Narnia series is relatively subtle in comparison to more overt allegorical literature, like Madeleine L'Engle's Time Quartet, which makes no illusions talking about God and the Devil alongside Cherubim, Nephilim, Noah's Ark, and the Archangel Michael.

Now, as for grimdark, I think even using that word at all indicates a lack of identification with Christian ideals, certainly no self-admitted author of grimdark could be concerned with Christian themes in his work except in the most superficial sense, like having an oppressive church vaguely modeled after medieval Catholic Christianity, but almost never do such works approach the theological milieu that such a church would necessarily believe in.

Dark fantasy is an altogether broader term. Arguably, one could call LOTR dark fantasy, compared to its forebear The Hobbit, but I would never call Belgariad dark fantasy, or even the Elenium and Tamuli. I could possibly describe Stephen Lawhead's Song of Albion trilogy, which I mentioned a few posts up, as Dark Fantasy, as the main plotline and setting involves a Celtic mythologized world falling apart in the most terrible ways until a Christ-figure raises himself up and offers himself as a sacrifice, which in defeat achieves victory against the forces of evil, but the fact that the entire story was a Christian allegory veiled by Celtic aesthetics is hidden until the very last pages of the final book.

[Anonymous No.20516674]

>>20515196
>>20515214
You guys are great. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.20516676]

>>20509081
literally multiple references to Akka and Esmi having dark skin. cope

[Anonymous No.20516683]

>>20515322
MALAZAN

[Anonymous No.20516697]

Can I shill my webnovel here?

[Anonymous No.20516702]

>>20516697
Just say you read it and liked it. If it's good it'll survive.

[Anonymous No.20516704]

>>20516697
Go back to the writing general >>20515652

[Anonymous No.20516713]

>>20514730
My webnovel desu.

[Anonymous No.20516719]

>>20516702
Would be too obvious since my follower count is so low. Maybe if I was in the 100's of readers.

[Anonymous No.20516720]

>>20516713
Mine too :)

[Anonymous No.20516726]

>>20516720
Link?

[Anonymous No.20516733]

>>20516719
Sometimes you gotta take the risk that other people pay that much attention if you wanna get your shit out there.

[Anonymous No.20516735]

>>20516726
I will link it when the thread reaches page 10 and the new thread is up so as few people as possible will see it except for, hopefully, you

[Anonymous No.20516738]

>>20516735
i'll just paste in in the new thread then :)

[Anonymous No.20516745]

>>20516738
you wouldn't!

[Anonymous No.20516789]

>>20515214
And I'm saying you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.20516815]

>>20515322
One of those is a filled up YA bingo sheet and the other is the post modern navel gazing of an anthropologist.

[Anonymous No.20516874]

>>20516058
>You have to think and the author doesn't exposition bomb you with everything from page 1?
That is the gist of it, basically. It's jumps around a lot between lots of different characters in lots of different places, and doesn't always proceed in strict chronological order (and does not explicitly tell you when it shifts to an earlier point in time, either, you have to figure that out). There's little or no exposition about the unfamiliar names dropped in conversations and a lot of events will happen in every book without stopping to elaborate on their significance to you. It's up to you to remember details and piece the bigger picture together.

Many people who make it through GotM get to book 2 only to realize it features almost none of the characters in book 1, is set on a completely different continent from book 1, and once again they're dropped into a situation they have very little understanding of and have to piece together. You're given a few lifelines, though, because book 2 proceeds chronologically after book 1 in a straightforward manner, at least. With the handful of familiar book 1 characters, you can establish a rough continuity and figure out what's going on. But this isn't really a thing for a lot of the series. You're constantly dropped into new unfamiliar territory meeting new characters and having to rebuild your understanding of basic concepts. This series is not finished introducing you to major characters and locations until book 6. Even then it's not actually done, it's just all the ones that really matter.

[Anonymous No.20516936]

>>20515743
A Bakker short story based in the Second Apocalypse universe. The False Sun. It is really based.

[Anonymous No.20516953]

>>20513742
>most people don't bother spending the effort to hate things
Except here

[Anonymous No.20516956]

Why does Bakker say he doesn't believe in made-up nonsense like God and Jesus, but insists on writing in a form that begot our religious imagination? Does he forget that CS Lewis, JRR Tolkien, et al were all brothers in Christ?

[Anonymous No.20516970]

>>20516874
When you describe it that way it just makes me not want to read it.

[Anonymous No.20516974]

Bakker? More like schlocker

[Anonymous No.20516979]

>>20514730
A grimdark overtly Christian sci-fi is The Sparrow. Another sci-fi with a good Christian side story is The Golden Queen series. A good overtly Christian non-fantasy is Byzantium by Stephen Lawhead.

But I'm not a Christian, so you might disagree.

[Anonymous No.20516991]

Any good Christian xianxia/progression fantasy?

[Anonymous No.20517000]

>>20510998
Absolutely fucked, abhorrent morals
Grimdark world to justify protagonist's murderhobo tendencies
Rape at every corner
Upward progression ending in MC becoming God

[Anonymous No.20517017]

>>20510998
MC is a cute girl knight

[Anonymous No.20517054]

>>20516956
Varg Vikernes does the same thing
>>20516991
if there exists such a thing I'd be amazed

[Anonymous No.20517069]

>>20516991
>>20516991
Once I am prepared to write it, and the world is prepared to read it, there will be.

[Anonymous No.20517082]

>>20515322
I haven't read Mistborn (Sanderson was middling at finishing WoT, I'm not sold on him), but I am really loving Malazan. It's edgy/dark, and well written. It's not a hand holding experience, though.
Best thing to do is what I did: go to the library/book store and read the first few pages of whatever you're considering. See which author's style works for you. Everyone's got different tastes, so random anons' taste might not suit you.
Personally, if a book hasn't captured me by page 50, I toss it. I don't mean that it hasn't had some super awesome action scene or whatever, just if I can't stand the writer, especially if it's a long series, I'm not getting invested.
First Law was like that. Tossed and filtered.

>>20516815
>post modern navel gazing of an anthropologist
Already better than 95% of genre fiction.

>>20516874
There's definitely a middle ground between this style and lotr to be aimed for. We'll see how far I get. So long as the general writing quality holds and interesting concepts keep coming, I'm in. Puzzle solving can be very fun.
I don't mind having to think and get slow reveals on the world and magic system. It feels more real/organic than a lot of other fantasy already precisely because there's this confusion about what's possible and what everything means and who's who, instead of everyone operating with practical omniscience about 90% of reality. It's better than "Rand is the One" where you know the ending of the entire series at page 100 of 10,000.
Not to trash on WoT, it was excellent, just a very different tone and writing style.

[Anonymous No.20517291]

>”A book was never ‘read.’ Here, as elsewhere, language betrayed the true nature of the activity. To say that a book was read was to make the same mistake as the gambler who crowed about winning as though he’d taken it by force of hand or resolve. To toss the number-sticks was to seize a moment of helplessness, not only to relinquish a jealous handful of heartbeats to the unpredictable mark of another man’s quill, it was to allow oneself to be written. For what was a book it not a long consecutive surrender to the movement of another’s soul?”

Meta. Beautiful. Also, to the little attention whore the other day who had to prove to an anonymous Bengladeshi knitting forum that he reads books by spoiling what happens next to Achamian (while offering zero commentary, mind you, basically just posting “Can’t believe this happened!”), fuck you faggot.

[Anonymous No.20517292]

>>20517082
>I don't mind having to think and get slow reveals on the world and magic system. It feels more real/organic than a lot of other fantasy already precisely because there's this confusion about what's possible
You'll probably enjoy this series a lot, then. Cause there were like three major points in the story where I thought I had magic "figured out" only for the next revelation to come and show I didn't understand anything.

[Anonymous No.20517304]

>>20516970
It has that affect on some people. If you just want something to comfy and easy to read, don't read Malazan. Even rereading Malazan is more work than reading a new series with normal levels of exposition. If I want to relax I just reread WoT, it's like comfort food to me. I've only reread Malazan once and it was almost as tiring as reading it the first time, even when I already knew most of the broad sweep of the story on reread, because there was so much detail that flew over my head until I reread it.

[Anonymous No.20517350]

>>20517304
Is it harder to into than BotNS, in terms of limited exposition? If so I think I can handle it, might even enjoy it because of that aspect (loved the twists about the autarch, cacogens, etc.). But if you’re saying it’s a slog to begin just due to going through a litany of seemingly unconnected characters/settings/time periods for two whole books, then I’m less interested.

[Anonymous No.20517407]

>>20517350
I didn't find it to be a slog, personally, I enjoyed it a lot. But this is because I don't have a problem with not understanding everything and having to figure things out from little scraps of information.

>But if you’re saying it’s a slog to begin just due to going through a litany of seemingly unconnected characters/settings/time periods for two whole books
Well there's a couple things wrong here. The characters and places aren't all "seemingly unconnected". Some of them are, but some of them aren't. It's the characters, places, and concepts in common that you can use to help stitch together the larger image of what's going on. Some times the disparity between books is massive and it takes a lot more time for ends to meet, but they do meet eventually.

The other major way what you said is wrong is that it's not across "two whole books", it's across six books.

[Anonymous No.20517433]

>>20517291
>reading is pointless and gay and dumb because somebody else wrote it
that's got to be the dumbest fucking thing I have ever read, what a load of self-refuting solipsistic half-baked Nietzschean drivel
I bet you anything that's a quote from that Bakker faggot who gets endlessly shilled here, I can't think of any other author quite so self-absorbed or stupid enough to write something so narcissistically inane

[Anonymous No.20517434]

Someone referred to a horror or sci-fi story about an expedition to the antarctic to explore an ancient pyramid. They said the main character in the story programmed an AI robot to go into the pyramid and radio back what it saw. The robot never comes back but beams back a repeating message in binary code.
The story sounded very interesting and I wanted to read it, but the anon describing the story forgot the name. Does this ring any bells with anyone here? Google was of no assistance. I would much appreciakrwojte the help.

[Anonymous No.20517439]

>>20517434
Appreciate

[Anonymous No.20517456]

>>20517433
On the contrary, he’s saying it’s special because you get to watch someone bare their soul on paper and uncover their deepest fears and beliefs. But I wouldn’t expect a retard to have basic reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.20517469]

>>20516676
dark skin as in the middle east and turkey you ignorant retard

[Anonymous No.20517483]

>>20517456
>he’s saying it’s special because you get to watch someone bare their soul on paper and uncover their deepest fears and beliefs
Not really interested in reading your teenage girl diary bro.

[Anonymous No.20517492]

>>20517469
Show me where Bakker describes his skin tone as exactly that of certain phenotype on earth you dumb gay retard

[Anonymous No.20517499]

>>20517483
No? I’m sure a low IQ retard like yourself would really enjoy some heavy handed YA.

[Anonymous No.20517515]

>>20517499
You wouldn't know what is enjoyable if it broke wind in your face you insufferable cunt.

[Anonymous No.20517535]

All good literature mentions rape

[Anonymous No.20517596]

All comfy literature is fun

[Anonymous No.20517597]

>>20509998
Kek, surprised me too. He has the body of a thirty year old, though, because of the one ring. That’s like mid-twenties for Hobbits.

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>>20517596
based zorayas poster

>>20517597
>>20509998
Hobbits age differently, they average 30-50 year longer lives than humans, so 50 for a hobbit is more like 30-35
remember, Bilbo at 111 looks like he's still in human 60s, although that's partly to do with the ring

[Anonymous No.20517729]

What are some books where people kill themselves or nearly kill themselves so that they can achieve greater knowledge

[Anonymous No.20517734]

>>20517729
xianxia, all of it, technically

[Anonymous No.20517735]

>>20517729
Cradle

[Anonymous No.20517741]

>>20517735
Oh no way?
Are you sure you aren't an AI trying to get me to buy these books?
Someone recommended me it for something else I was looking for, I'm going to download the first book now
Thanks

[Anonymous No.20517780]

what the fuck, it just ends? i hate this nigga so much
what happens with the square village?

[Anonymous No.20517821]

>>20508453
The art is nice.

[Anonymous No.20517823]

>>20517821
It really is.

[Anonymous No.20517875]

>>20517823
It offends me, it appears to be the same artist as three of the past five /sffg/ threads and extremely similar in style to the other two. This leads me to speculate that the OP is started by the same faggot likely a janny who jealously guards the right of thread creation for the sole purpose of keeping science fiction based loli's off the OP where we all know they truly belong. He probably has a folder of extremely boring science fiction and fantasy artwork.

[Anonymous No.20517895]

>>20517875
>Pedo image
And I didn't even read.

[Anonymous No.20517942]

>>20517895
>>Pedo image
>he doesn't know
You DO have to be at least 18 to post here, right?

[Anonymous No.20517951]

>>20517942
>You DO have to be at least 18 to post here, right?

Stop trying to get that anon's A/S/L, you fucking creep.

[Anonymous No.20517956]

>>20517951
What are you implying, anon?

[Anonymous No.20517998]

>>20517895

Loli's love science fiction and phantasy stories. Have Space Suit Will Travel, A Spell for Chameleon, Alice in Wonderland. So many good stories to read with your loli.

[Anonymous No.20518005]

>>20517998
Go be a creepy pedophile somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.20518129]

>>20517596
Pretty much, I've been trying to collect a list for the most comfiest.

[Anonymous No.20518147]

>>20518005
4chan is THE creepy pedophile social media site
You go be a normie somewhere else

[Anonymous No.20518274]

So we all are in agreement that this is work book in the series right? You get a solid opening that quickly turns into 700ish pages of filler/ setup that goes nowhere. (Seriously, Gu'Rull might havr the most wasted potential out of anyone).

Thankfully the ending is solid, and the last book is fantastic, but I honestly found this book to a be bigger hurdle than GotM every was.

[Anonymous No.20518282]

>>20518274
Sorry, I haven't read that series, so I can't really comment, but I am anyhow because I'm bored.

[Anonymous No.20518289]

>>20518147
Not really. It's banned here and they share your IP with the authorities if you post Chid Abuse Content.

[Anonymous No.20518341]

New thread
>>20518340

[Anonymous No.20518379]

>>20518341
already off to a shit start

[Anonymous No.20518384]

>>20518379
It’s the pedo. Just report him, the jannies don’t tolerate.

[Anonymous No.20518394]

>>20518384
Report me for what? What rule do I violate? Violating your moralfag sensibilities is not against the rules.

[Anonymous No.20518401]

>>20518394
Kys pedofreak.

[Anonymous No.20518458]

>>20518401
Trolling outside of /b/ is a violation of the rules newfriend.

[Anonymous No.20518485]

>>20518282
Go read the series. Book 10 has probably the best “hold the line!” battle in fantasy.