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Who are some quintessential reddit philosophers?

>> No.20506825
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20506825

>>20506817

>> No.20506826

Marx

>> No.20506830

Anything that has to do with idealism, rationalism, christianity and morality

>> No.20506832

>Plato
>Aristotle

>> No.20506845

>>20506817
Marcus Aurelius

>> No.20506849

>>20506830
So Hegel, Kant, Fichte, Schelling, Augustine, Aquinas, Spinoza, Descartes, Leibniz are all reddit?

>> No.20506855

>>20506849
yes

>> No.20506868

That fat fuck Marx and his disciples

>> No.20506871

>>20506826
Also, anyone after Heidegger

>> No.20506885

Every philosopher I don't consider will help me reach the highest virtual philosopher status in my nonexistant intellextual friend group.

>> No.20506928
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20506928

>>20506817
Jordan Peterson
Slavoj Zizek
Karl Popper
Michael Foucault

>> No.20506936

>>20506928
>Jordan Peterson
It's a philosophy thread, sir

>> No.20506947

Correct me if I'm wrong but:

4chan: Schopenhauer and the Germans idealists in general and sometimes and very sparingly Aquinas and some surface level theology
Reddit: Marx/Nietzsche/Peterson, all of the uttermost cringe ones
Twitter: Deleuze and the french in general combined with the feminists
YouTube: Joe Rogan/Contrapoints/Shapiro and all of the other pseuds bread and alt-right tubers.

TikTok lol
Instagram lol

>> No.20506952

>>20506936
Midwits (Redditors, for example) consider him philosophy

>> No.20506961

>>20506947
You're not wrong. Batshit insane's the word.

>> No.20507022

>>20506817
What happened to 4chan that an anti-feminist, anti-democratic, pro-military, pro-aristocracy philosopher hated by Zionists both in his day and now became associated more with Reddit?

>> No.20507034

>>20507022
>anti-feminist, anti-democratic, pro-military, pro-aristocracy philosopher
It's more complicated than that

>> No.20507038

>>20507034
Besides the anti-democratic one, no, and most of his nicer writings towards democracy came earlier.

>> No.20507062

Who are the quintessential 4chan philosophers?

>> No.20507070

>>20506817
Nietzsche is my main man. The most reddit philosopher of all time is Satan

>> No.20507075

>>20507038
He was not anti-feminist, just misogynist. The aristocracy stuff is a metaphor and the military too to a lesser extent.

>> No.20507084

>>20507075
All wrong. Stop trolling, douchebag.

>> No.20507092

>>20506830
I'd wager quite the opposite, reddit is a known fedora-haven that masturbates furiously to scientism, logicism and physicalism

>> No.20507093

>>20506825
>>20506826
Are they really in to Marx? The last time I looked at reddit, which is like a decade ago at this point, they all seemed to be vaguely libertarian "weed and bitcoin" types.

>> No.20507099

>>20507084
I'm genuine. All of his reference to nobility in his writings were not about the european aristocracy but about durhuman pride.

>> No.20507105

>>20507093
oh boy, how things have changed since then. most redditors are John Stuart Mill style radlibs these days.

>> No.20507106

>>20507099
>I'm genuine
Genuinely retarded, maybe.

>> No.20507113

>>20507084
Nietzsche wasn't anything but a guy asking questions and entertaining different perspectives on what he observed in his life. And he did it with style and humor, because he wasn't a little pussy bitch who thought he was mad important.
At times you can say he was all of the things described but in his heart he was none of them and loved all people. He was trying to understand the best way for people to organize themselves so that life could reach its maximum potential. Because of that he always challenged his thinking and tried to find what was missing in the system developing before his eyes. He realized what it was towards the end and that's what drove him nuts.

>> No.20507121

>>20506947
no wonder Twitter is a hellscape for me

Youtube isn't that cut and dry, lately I've been seeing a lot of Marxoids and not very much conservative content.

>> No.20507126

>>20507106
I don't even know if we've read the same guy.

>> No.20507134

>>20507099
Nietzsche was saying that with the loss of brutality and cruelty from the aristocracy, we had lost the noble sentiment, toward virtue and excellence, self improvement. With the loss of God we had lost the feeling of transcendence. And so he thought we were drifting away from a refined type of being toward a more undignified type of being. His references to nobility were to that paradox, the beauty that grew out of the clinical savagery of the monarchies. By the end he seemed to think that the loss of the savagery was good, but the loss of the Will toward excellence, and of God/Spirit, was a disaster.

>> No.20507137

>>20507113
I like the description. But I'm not sur to understand what was that he realized at the end of his life.

>> No.20507138

>>20507113
>He realized what it was towards the end and that's what drove him nuts.
No, what drove him nuts was a brain lesion.

>> No.20507147

>>20507134
You obviously remember me better than me. Thanks.

>> No.20507151

>>20506947
Youtube belongs to Aristotle and the Aristotelians.

>> No.20507179

>>20506947
What's Discord?

>> No.20507185

>>20507126
His work is complex, but he nonetheless:
>shit on various feminists throughout his writings, e.g. Madame de Stael
>pointed out various issues with democracy throughout his writings
>sought to enter the military, wrote nostalgically about seeing soldiers marching while on a morning walk, and advocating military and physical fitness training until the end
>divided the species into three types, the highest being an intellectual elite who are "not at liberty to play second," and the lowest being a chandala / slave subspecies where anarchists and socialists tend to be
>loved the Roman Empire to his dying day and even wrote near the end that the Romans were superior to the Greeks

>> No.20507199

>>20507137
That anything done out of love always occurs beyond good and evil.

>> No.20507201

Jung

>> No.20507215

>>20507185
He shitted on modern military numerous times. Notably on the Warrior chapter of Zarathustra wich was openly anti modern nation's military.
He's praise of the superman was not a pro-aristocracy statement in the sense that being an aristocrate isn't equal being noble.

If you're the same guy I wrote to earlier, as I said it's more complicated and the formulation you used is voluntary vulgarising.

>> No.20507225

>>20507215
He had a problem with Bismarck's politics (which he dubbed "petty politics" versus his own "grand politics"), not the military as such.

Nietzsche nonetheless described an intellectual elite (his "hyperboreans") in The Antichrist, which contained some of the last writings of his.

>> No.20507249

>>20507093
Redditors on the whole, hate bitcoin. I imagine it's because they started to hate Elon Musk becuase of his politics and they switched over to hating crypto-bros even though they used to be pretty evenly split on that. They were hardly ever libertarians though. They are either neolibs or socialists or actual Marxists.

>> No.20507267

>>20507225
Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Of war and warrior
>I see a lot of soldiers: I'd like to see many warriors. "Uniform", we call what they wear. May it not be uni-form what they hide beneath.
Even took literally you can't say he is pro-military as the military was in any country at his time.

>> No.20507273

>>20507249
I dislike crypto-bros because one called me a fed on twitter for being a third positionist. what. the. fuck. ever.

>> No.20507281

>>20507151
I'd agree. Clifford Bates is a prime example. I've had nothing but good exchanges with the guy so I can't really be at liberty to complain

>> No.20507289

>>20507267
Nietzsche said a lot of things I loved a lot, like a real real lot and he was a solid dude very deep down but he was also a fuckin idiot. he knew it though he pointed it out often. I'm gonna try to take his advice and be less of an idiot

>> No.20507296

>>20507267
Just because he advocated for the development of warriors while speaking to his higher men / future philosophers doesn't mean he was against the military. He still wrote in TI:

>From the military school of life.—That which does not kill me, makes me stronger.

>Nothing has grown more alien to us than that old desire—the “peace of the soul,” which is the aim of Christianity. Nothing could make us less envious than the moral cow and the plump happiness of a clean conscience. The man who has renounced war has renounced a grand life.

Did you know he was a swimmer in his youth? His sister wrote about it in her book on him. He was athletic. Somewhere in his later writings (it might have been Ecce Homo) he also expressed disapproval of the average modern European man's physical body, because it was not athletic.

I also fail to see how he could love the Roman Empire while maintaining the view that the military is no good. Or are you one of those who just lazily writes things like that off as "he was contradictory"?

>> No.20507297

>>20507289
If you're the guy that insulted me because I pointed out your vulgarisation of Nietzsche's philosophy, you better read through him again and this time read the little annotations down the page. ;)

>> No.20507304

>>20506817
The pragmatists represent a lot of the philosophical basis of modern liberalism, even if I like them

>> No.20507326

>>20507296
Because what Nietzsche loved and valued was the feeling of transcendence, of victory, of ego, and of excellence. He thought that the struggle was a necessary component of men's desires for themselves, because what they got happiness from was overcoming obstacles. In the older forms of humanity, he saw war as a phenomenon where this desire was acted upon subconsciously; humanity had no meta understanding of itself, and so war was a way of obtaining the sensation of triumph without being aware of the need for that sensation. A need so strong it lead men to kill one another.

What Nietzsche hated the most about Christianity was not necessarily the will toward kindness, but the will toward banality. He saw it encouraging the opposite of any will toward excellence or triumph, as making all efforts seem futile or meaningless. So in his appraisals of the militaries, and his denouncing of modern ones, he was not saying that mindless slaughter of one another is necessarily good. He was saying that we have lost the will toward creating anything meaningful in our lives/world while we sit around and wait, and thus, out modern armies are just robotic killing machines spreading nihilism to the world. We know better, so we can't go back to old armies; but we need the feeling that we sought them out for, to be satisfied.

"Let us be off -- and not back!"

>> No.20507333

>>20507296
>Just because he advocated for the development of warriors while speaking to his higher men / future philosophers doesn't mean he was against the military.
What he meant was pretty clear. He regreted the past barbarism of the man fighting for the beauty of the act.

I think he prefered the Roman empire to greece for his epicurian and corrupt atributes in his late life and not its powerful military though.

To cut it short. Saying he was pro-military insinuates something else than what he really said. But you seem to realize it. So why do you keep going.

>> No.20507337

>>20507333
Because we love to hear ourselves figure things out

>> No.20507341

>>20507326
>So in his appraisals of the militaries, and his denouncing of modern ones, he was not saying that mindless slaughter of one another is necessarily good.
Preaching to the choir. The military, as in the noble form of it (which is always what Nitezsche is referring to when he praises it) does not represent "mindless slaughter of one another," but the principles of power-based spiritual hierarchization and physical fitness training, i.e. the Roman Empire, which is good.

Basically, if the Roman Empire advocated for it, then Nietzsche did too. There's nothing more to say.

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Hahaha Nietzsche's erect cock

>> No.20507353

>>20507304
at a stretch maybe....William James and C.S. Peirce were more like logicians and epistemologists than political thinkers.