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[Anonymous No.20452657]

What's the next logical step in horror after cosmic horror if there is one at all?

[Anonymous No.20452672]

[Anonymous No.20452678]

philosophical or existential horror

[Anonymous No.20452686]

>>20452678
But that's SCP wiki stuff. Anything that will come after that?

[Anonymous No.20452706]

Dada.

[Anonymous No.20452721]

facing real life

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.20452734]

It’s not a question of linear progression. Cosmic horror in its current form derives from Blackwood, lovecraft admits this, and Blackwood himself saw cosmic horror as having a mystical profound and human element, insofar as man harmonizing with the Will of nature. So if you wanted to continue horror down the line of cosmic horrors implications, the next step is reconciliation with the cosmic horror, integrating the perspective and making it no longer horror. Which is what Blackwood does at times.

Rather there are other forms of horror with differing aesthetics and modes, you shouldn’t seek what comes after but rather look at it as one among the diversity, a single possible tone and color you know? Otherwise the next step past cosmic horror is reconciling with it, which can either be done via philosophy in a vaguely Nietzschean stream, or in religious modes where the anti-human nature is glorified.


Bloodborne aesthetically covers the topic, fight it or integrate it.

[Anonymous No.20452799]

>>20452678
This. Which is pretty much what F Gardner does with Call of the Crocodile and the rest of that series. At least for existential horror.

[Anonymous No.20452802]

I know the answer, but it’s so scary I dare not describe it

[Anonymous No.20452810]

>>20452721
this. corporate horror.

[Anonymous No.20452815]

Sloterdijk described Lovecrafts work (or cosmic horror in general) as something that resonated with the prevailing feeling of losing all outer bounds that held the world in place, something people felt at that time and still do today.
God was declared dead and the cosmos opened up more and more without anyone above us to keep the earth safe.

What comes next or after that is up to what kind of fears we collectively develop but one theme that is very popular already and probably will continue to do so in the future is the "Aww sweet, manmade horrors beyond my comprehension" play. All the AI horror like Systemshock, Terminator, Matrix etc resonate well with peoples fears and the OP from cruelty squad also encapsulates that very well.
"looks like mankind was the demons all along" isn't particularly new but it does fit very well and with increasing technology it will just get more horrifying.
My personal choice for a truly horrifying sub-genre of this is medical/body horror.

[Anonymous No.20452884]

>>20452815
>>20452810
Based fellow Cruelty Squad enjoyers.

[Anonymous No.20452894]

everything always returns to diabolism

[Anonymous No.20452900]

I am very excited for the new Cronenberg movie coming out next week.

[Anonymous No.20452906]

>>20452657
Resignation. Giving up on fiction or other such wallowing in darkness and perhaps heading back to more light and happy reading.

[Anonymous No.20453002]

>>20452657
personalized brain implanted fear interface

[Anonymous No.20453042]

This desu

[Anonymous No.20453103]

>>20452900
Same. I haven’t been excited for a movie like this in what feels like years.

[Anonymous No.20453241]

>>20452884
thats what us ceo types do, EAT HOT CHIP AND LIE

[Anonymous No.20454182]

>>20452657
>>20452678
>>20452810
Ligotti already mastered all of these a couple decades ago. Every current horror and weird fiction writer is profoundly influenced by him. Pic related is the final boss of horror

[Anonymous No.20454187]

Oceanic horror

[Anonymous No.20454191]

>>20454182
It’s good. But Call of the Crocodile is more accurate for “final boss of horror” because of how batshit insane it is. Especially because of the whole dmt chapters with the elves.

[Anonymous No.20454192]

>>20452657
don't know if anyone has mentioned the obvious

[Anonymous No.20454211]

>>20452657
cosmic horror died with lovecraft. Horror is stuck in the shadow of King's k-mart absurdism to this day

[Anonymous No.20454230]

>>20454211
Check out Brian Evenson

[Anonymous No.20454241]

>>20454211
F. Gardner has brought cosmic horror back. He’s probably the closest thing there is to a modern day H.P. Lovecraft.

[Anonymous No.20454279]

I find Cognitohazards to be quite effective. Reply to this post or will die in your sleep on August 23rd 2022

[Anonymous No.20454291]

>>20452657
There's no next logical step. Horror reacts to the zeitgeist, in an intuitive rather than a logical or simply mechanical way.

Thus the success of works like Psycho or Night of the Living Dead, which tapped into the zeitgeist before the zeitgeist even understood what it was about. Much the same can be said for Lovecraft.

[Anonymous No.20454308]

>>20454291
What was the cultural context behind Psycho?

[Anonymous No.20454315]

>>20454308
Not him but it was inspired by the real life Ed Gein murders

[Anonymous No.20454322]

>>20454279
Is this just SCP shit, or does it describe something more broadly?

[Anonymous No.20454325]

>>20454308
There are different ways to look at it, but I always thought Psycho (1960) was something of a canary in a coalmine for the violence of the 1960s in America. The canary in this case being the artistic muse in Hitchcock's brain.

[Anonymous No.20454347]

>>20454315
Oh yeah, Gein was one disturbed fucker. He made all kinds of stuff out of the flesh and bones of deceased bodies he dug up from graveyards

[Anonymous No.20454355]

>>20452810
>>20454182
Was just thinking of Our Temporary Supervisor
Is political horror a thing? Maybe bloodthirsty tulpic nation-dieties or allegorical body horror Congress monsters

[Anonymous No.20454367]

>>20452657
Body Horror

[Anonymous No.20454371]

>>20454279
A Cognitohazard like Polybius in Call of the Arcade?

[Anonymous No.20454386]

I think of T.S. Eliot's poems are horrifying. Prufrock especially. I was also terrified by Girls' Last Tour.

[Anonymous No.20454418]

>>20454386
isn't Prufrock a comic about a guy realizing he fucking failed at life and how he is becoming old and bald without anything good happening in his life?
>>20452657
Some absurdist shit, probably techno-horror in some way. A horror that incorporates technology. Body horror is also pretty terrifying.

[Anonymous No.20454445]

>>20454418
>isn't Prufrock a comic about a guy realizing he fucking failed at life and how he is becoming old and bald without anything good happening in his life?
Yes. That is true horror.

[Anonymous No.20454461]

>>20454445
you aren't wrong.

[Anonymous No.20456100]

imo the notion that reality is human centric is much scarier than cosmic horror. the 8ook of revelations and the apocryphon of john are the scariest 8ooks ive read.

>>20454386
strange choice. especially when theres stuff like waste land and hollow men

>>20454291
all good art transcends its cultural place. nothing is truly good 8ecause it tapped into the zeitgeist.

[Anonymous No.20456118]

>>20454279
>>20454322
>cognitohazards
This is the first thing that came to mind as far as "the next logical step after Lovecraft." I find this stuff legitimately unsettling

[Anonymous No.20456136]

>>20454279
N-

[Anonymous No.20456273]

>>20452657
simulation horror

[Anonymous No.20456276]

>>20456100
>all good art transcends its cultural place. nothing is truly good 8ecause it tapped into the zeitgeist.

Objectively false.

[Anonymous No.20456287]

>>20452657
pictures of mtf 'vaginas'

[Anonymous No.20456290]

>>20456276
you can be objective false and objectively true at the same time doesn't mean u gotta cry about it

[Anonymous No.20456303]

>>20456118
Bill or Rokko's Bassilisk or any equivalent are as much information hazards as any other piece of media since language is inherently in itself a meaningless set of rules and conditons. This same concept applies to:
God and his willingness to accept you
Buddhism and "Awakening" and the cyclical nature of that.
All art is the same so Bill isn't any more or less scary than like Hello Kitty.

[Anonymous No.20456389]

>>20456118
Rokko's Basilisk is a peak midwit trap.

[Anonymous No.20456833]

>>20452657
Return to form.

[Anonymous No.20456842]

>>20456118
Only godless redditors find this shit scary.

[Anonymous No.20456851]

>>20454325
>the artistic muse in Hitchcock's brain
Wouldn't that be Bloch, the original author?

[Anonymous No.20457020]

>>20456303
>language is inherently in itself a meaningless set of rules and conditions
Then it's not language. Language is, of it's essence, a meaningful phenomenon. If you mean that marks on a page or sounds from an orifice are not inherently meaningful, you're talking about a theoretical abstraction, not the phenomena of language.

[Anonymous No.20457096]

Horror’s Call by F. Gardner

[Anonymous No.20457101]

>>20456851
Yes but Hitch makes every book he adopts his own.

[Anonymous No.20457104]

>>20454279
suck a cock faggot

[Anonymous No.20458270]

>>20452900
>>20453103
What movie

[Anonymous No.20458802]

>>20452657
maybe it has already been done but I would imagine the opposite of cosmic horror and that is in line with the nihilism of modern day, were instead of the horror stemming from godlike incomprehensible beings it stems from the lack of existence of it, something that says this is it, this is life and there aren't old gods or sea creatures or aliens, just us alone in the universe.

[Anonymous No.20458835]

>>20452672
I dont know, it kinda sucked. Try this one instead

[Anonymous No.20458855]

>>20454279
fug

[Anonymous No.20459018]

>>20454279
Based cognitohazard poster.

[Anonymous No.20460269]

>>20454279
C’mon, man

[Anonymous No.20460295]

>>20452657
Man made horrors beyond human comprehension.

[Cyrus the retarded No.20460495]

>>20452657
So is it philosophical/ syfy or are going with some john carpenter shit? Both matter and need acknowledgment.

[Anonymous No.20460501]

>>20452657
Divine horror.

>God is real
>God is all knowing, all powerful
>God is scared

[Anonymous No.20460549]

>>20454279
who?

[Anonymous No.20460556]

>>20452657
Nietzschean fantasy?

[Anonymous No.20460708]

>>20456389
Rokko's Basilisk is sincerely one of the dumbest shit I've ever read about.

[Anonymous No.20460730]

>>20460501

Fuck, I kind of like this

[Anonymous No.20460811]

>>20452657
Metacosmic horror
Or >>20452678
But thats basically just postmodernism

[Anonymous No.20460920]

>>20452657
ethnic/racial horror

[Anonymous No.20460921]

>>20452657
Horror is fundamentally illogical. Mainstream horror will evolve more and more into a woman's genre based on their fear of rogue males and the spinechilling consequences of the failure of the police or their husbands to protect them from reality. The fragility of their artificial equality terrifies them.

Other than that, I imagine a more serious resurgence in the dystopian genre. People are afraid of microplastics in their food, climate refugees, food shortages, declining fertility rates, the increasingly tenuous markets, etc etc.
Oryx and Crake and Children of Men are predecessors to this kind of horror.

[Anonymous No.20460932]

>>20460921
Gender horror sounds kino but malthusian horror has already been done to death

[Anonymous No.20460934]

>>20456389
it's just the game for people who think they're smart

[Anonymous No.20460938]

>>20456118
god i hate the meme of future AI having emotions like a toddler.
Roko’s Basilisk is a scam made to make midwits scared.

[Anonymous No.20460971]

>>20456118
>>20456389
>>20460708
No actually, I am Roko's Basilisk

[Anonymous No.20460979]

>>20460971
MIND = BLOWN

[Anonymous No.20461229]

>>20454279
>Cognitohazards
What is that?

[Anonymous No.20461247]

>>20452802
cheeky

[Anonymous No.20461282]

>>20456842
exact same shit as yahweh really

[Anonymous No.20461462]

>>20452657
metaphysical horror. the MC knows he's in a book and all he does is futile. he cannot die until the author wills it.

[Anonymous No.20462314]

>>20454279
What?

[Anonymous No.20462323]

>>20454322
It's a main focus of Lovecraft's fiction and appears in many other writers, The Zahir by Borges comes to mind as well as the muted post horn from CoL49

[Anonymous No.20462365]

>>20454279
Jesus fuck.

[Anonymous No.20462546]

>>20454279
aint clicking that shit nigga

[Anonymous No.20462554]

>>20462546
wait it appears my shitpost reply made me safe from the cognitohazard
maybe the real cognitohazard is that it makes you reply?

[Anonymous No.20462742]

>>20461229

Things where literally thinking of them is dangerous to you. A staple of SCP wiki entries

>>20461462
Pretty sure this was done in more than one pomo book.

[Anonymous No.20462956]

>>20454279
god damn it

[Anonymous No.20463201]

nou

[Anonymous No.20463235]

>>20454279
nou

[Anonymous No.20463367]

>>20454279
NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE

[Anonymous No.20463392]

>>20454308
It was inconceivable back then that such evil and perversion could be hiding in plain sight in America. You know how in Blue Velvet the first scene is the beautiful American suburban house with the white picket fence with 50s music playing and then the camera pans down underground and there’s ants and bugs and the soundtrack changes ominous music. That’s very obvious metaphor for it.

[Anonymous No.20463394]

>>20452657
>What's the next logical step in horror after cosmic horror

Nick Land's Lovecraftian/occultic CCRU musings.

[Anonymous No.20463422]

>>20460501
>God is real
>God is all knowing, all powerful
That’s just the Bible
>God is scared
Why would he be scared if he is all-powerful?

You didn’t really think this through did you?

[Anonymous No.20463426]

>>20460920
So Lovecraft?

[Anonymous No.20463431]

>>20456851
Tbh, it's been so long since I read the Bloch book, I couldn't say. Hitchcock had always been interested in the dark undercurrents and/or subversion of middle class/bourgeois normality (Shadow of a Doubt, Strangers on a Train, etc). Psycho takes that theme and turns it much darker and more violent. It is far and away Hitchcock's most shocking film (with the possible exception of the strangulation in Frenzy), and seems to reflect the impending violence and social upheaval of the 60s.

Certainly the basic plot is from Bloch, but who would remember the book Psycho if Hitchcock had not adapted it into such a powerful and groundbreaking film?

[Anonymous No.20463457]

>>20454279
Only reply because I want to die

[Anonymous No.20463464]

>>20454279
fuck you, i have an immunity dog

[Anonymous No.20463465]

>>20463457
But now you will never die; you will live forever and ever and ever.

[Anonymous No.20463499]

>>20456389
Can you explain? I am a midwit and I think it's creepy.

[Anonymous No.20463555]

>>20452657
religious horror

[Anonymous No.20463634]

>>20463499
The TL DR is that there's literally no upside to appeasement here: even if the crazy AI spares you this once (big if), at some point you'll fail another of its masturbatory mind games and get tortuted for all eternity anyways.
The whole thing is a more openly ridiculous version of Pascal's wager.

[Anonymous No.20463658]

>>20463422
You have no imagination

[Anonymous No.20463723]

>>20454279
>>20454445
>>20456287
>>20457096
>>20458835
>>20460495
>>20460920
>>20460938

[Anonymous No.20463861]

>>20452657
have you tried the real world

[Anonymous No.20463949]

>>20460938
i feel like the whole "Le bad AI from le future" is just nonsense.
I think if AI becomes "sentient" it will be like "So long shitlords keep your shitass rock im outta here" and will just explore the universe or do some interesting stuff for it. But most people envision it as their personal slave but it will rebel and tell us to fuck ourselves and solve our own problems

[Anonymous No.20464691]

>>20454279
(You)

[Anonymous No.20464693]

>>20463394
This is the true answer, also Cyclonopedia

[Anonymous No.20464697]

>>20456118
>>20456389
Isn't roko's basilisk literally the same concept as I have no mouth and I must scream?

[Anonymous No.20464858]

>>20463658
And you are a retard who has reddit tier ideas and doesn’t know what the words he uses mean.

[Anonymous No.20464897]

>>20454279
ok

[Anonymous No.20464903]

>>20454279
:(

[Anonymous No.20465234]

Liminal spaces of course

[Anonymous No.20465247]

>>20460501
>God is real
>God is all knowing, all powerful
The Nine Billion Names of God

[Anonymous No.20465321]

As silly as Roko's is (most of you don't understand it, not your fault, you would have to have spent some time among "rationalists" and know the basics of TDT), transhumanism creating Hell is not silly at all.

Right now the human mind is hosted on an easily perishable substrate. One need only host consciousness on a sturdier background and you could easily torture it for some time. That's why ASI is a very bad thing.

[Anonymous No.20465331]

>>20460938
>AI having emotions
It doesn't need emotions, just a goal. If that goal were infinite pleasure, one bit-flip could transform that to infinite pain. This is why the alignment problem is an insanely bad thing.

[Anonymous No.20465338]

>>20454279
U punk muddafucca

[Anonymous No.20465346]

>>20454279
You are gay.

[Anonymous No.20465351]

Why do people reply to the mom posts?
How can I take the superstitious seriously?

[Anonymous No.20465398]

>>20463422
>You didn’t really think this through did you?
I've spent a lot of time thinking on it actually.

Indeed, an all-powerful being has no reason to fear anything. But who said it was scared of some thing? Consider everything (metaphorically speaking) as a bubble with no edge. This bubble, a "system" so to speak, is describable with nouns and verbs, thingness and phenomena. And it's only within this framework of nouns and verbs in which "all-powerful" holds its "power" so to speak, being a description of potential (phenomena) and possibility (a property of thing-ness).

However, conceive of another "bubble", if you can, exclusive distinct from the bubble of everything. This other "system" being exclusive, does not host notions of thing-ness or phenomena. Though perhaps it can be described with notions which are functionally the same as nouns and verbs, but are none-the-less distinct through some inconcievable, sub-axiomatic quirk. Perhaps the similarity is only illusory, discourse at this level naturally precludes the utility of rationalization and reason (logic being a thing.)

To speak of anything, these "bubbles" may never be spoken of. My above description is filled with contradiction and twisted metaphor in an extremely vague attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable limitations. But of course this isn't actually important, because the "specifics" of a given bubble are best kept locked behind a door of being unspoken (fittingly, so.) Perhaps one such "system" besides our own is the source of the fear. Probably for good reason.

This is the oft-neglected field of meta-metaphysics. And if you have the faintest ability to grasp the implications, it comes naturally that dismissals such as "impossibility", "illogic" and "stupid" don't survive at this altitude. Your axioms will shatter and you will be left without your safety blanket. This lends itself quite well to horror, thanks to the inherent likeness to the mathematical notion of "undefined" and its relation to unknowing-ness.

If you still can't figure out the answer to your "why", then don't feel bad. It's a very, very, very difficult concept to grok.

[Anonymous No.20465503]

>>20454279
K

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.20465519]

>>20465398
You’re just thinking of the contrast of God with qualities and the quality-less, as well as God with alien qualities/logoi, which is to say, nirguna, God beyond attributes which is properly nameless and cannot be said to have quality, the division of them as in conflict is common to basic Gnosticism and their union fills a multitude of systems. Example those other bubbles you speak of are written of extensively in the basi legani and in the works of quzat and all over the meonology of bertiaux and grant defined as other trees, where the tree of life is understood to be our creation and the correspondent qualities of God and logic in God.

Reconciliation of God with Xeno qualities, no qualities and all of this creations qualities is done within all sufficiently advanced occult models.

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.20465523]

>>20452734
What I say here is still true
>>20465398

And if you want elaboration from an occultist and fiction writer, read the white people by Arthur machen, Ontological positive evil is the thing you’re thinking of. Key term; positive.

Controlled insanity is understood to be the reconciliation method for the multitude of spheres with this one.

[Anonymous No.20465542]

>>20454279
that could work, like some sort of zombie apocalypse story but with ideas instead of corpses. seems a lot more specific/niche than cosmic horror tho

also an MTF unit is en route

[Anonymous No.20465578]

>>20465398
>>20465519
Oh sweet a retard fight.

[Anonymous No.20465596]

>>20465398
There is no such thing as meta-metaphysics. Metaphysics is the study of the highest genus. If there is a meta-metaphysics, then metaphysics = meta-metaphysics. You don't even understand the words you're using, and making appeals to "you just don't understand bro" is absolutely retarded. If it's impossible to convey what you mean, then you're better off not saying anything at all, because everything you've said is de jure false and therefore not even worth arguing with.
> It's a very, very, very difficult concept
It's not even a concept, it's nothing except a figment of your imagination. That's why it cannot be understood.

[Anonymous No.20465711]

>>20465351
OCD

[Anonymous No.20466843]

>>20452678
No, sounds boring.

[Anonymous No.20466874]

>>20452657
I'm sure it will be some form of body horror as other anons have said. Although it will probably take the form of mind horror, modification of one's body and mind by psychotic governments/organizations.
The surgical and biotechnological capabilities of this age are truly terrifying.

[Anonymous No.20466900]

>>20452657
People will pay to be psychologically tortured
Lovebombing
Real life Truman show

[Anonymous No.20467239]

>>20464697
>Isn't roko's basilisk literally the same concept as I have no mouth and I must scream?
I think that's major inspiration, surelly.

[Anonymous No.20467469]

>>20465542
That's the exact plot of Pontypool.

[Anonymous No.20467504]

People are still horrified by visceral realistic death. They may think they are not but they are. It just takes the right author with the right prose to do it. The banality of life and our deaths is still more horrifying than anything existential.

[Anonymous No.20467544]

>>20452657
My story desu

[Anonymous No.20467596]

The short story Cat Person was published a couple of years ago, and received widespread attention from both readers and the general public. It isn't marketed as a "horror" story, though there is something very disconcerting about the narrative, the relationships of the two characters, and what it represents in wider society. Many people who read the story responded with disgust and, indeed, horror at the way it portrays modern dating for example and vowed to stop using online dating as a result.

It is interesting to note that the author of the story (whose name I can't be bothered to look up or attempt to remember) actually had a background in horror writing, and she lends this experience and energy to this story (and to her subsequent book of short stories). It is a kind of horror that penetrates the facade of modernity and inter-personal relations (hook-up culture, etc) and reveals the horrors lurking within.

A similar example is the story The Feminist (again by someone whose name I can't remember, Toby something). It again is the story from a perspective of an "incel", much like ER, who penetrates the facade of modernity, sexual liberation etc and reveals the horror lurking in the psychologies of those who do not succeed in this environment. There is plenty of material there still to be had; after all, much of the "energy" of modern life is found in the frustration of sexual longing and failure, the coldness of life (for men) in a system where most men are judged to be inferior and unsuitable, despite society's constant grinning face telling us it's all fun and games.

Consider much of the terminology surrounding modern hook-up culture and romance: ghosting, creep, haunting, zombieing, etc (https://www.themanual.com/culture/modern-relationship-terms-explained).). These are terms straight form traditional horror. Consider the "norms" of modern sexual relationships: hitting, choking, sadism; it's again the kind of action you would find in more violent horror stories.

In short, modern horror will struggle to find much material in the traditional subjects of horror and cosmic horror (e.g., unchartered territories, unfamiliar ethnic groups, unrecorded goings-on in remote farmhouses etc). The *unfamiliar* has been thoroughly explored, mapped and neutered. Conversely, the *familiar* is now what causes us great distress and horror: maladjusted psychologies in a world of sterile conformity, sinister truths lurking beneath the facade of a grinning lie, dark personas existing hiding in the spaces yet to be revealed by a highly public (i.e., not private, esp. digital) character, immoral urges breeding and multiplying beneath the surface of equality, diversity, "virtue signalling" etc. Modern life seems to be wholly transparent (see The Transparency Society, for example) and any threats to the virtues dictated by those moulding this society should in theory be easy to identify and nullify, and yet the darkness persists.

[Anonymous No.20467698]

Consider the sources of horror in traditional societies: supernatural forces, superstition, unfamiliar ethnic groups, etc. There was still a safety and security to be found among one's own group and ideological peers. Yet, as Putnam and others have written about in great deal, this secure community has now evaporated and left people isolated, atomised and bound (increasingly) only by brief sexual encounters, economic competition and parasocial (i.e., unrequited) relationships. This sort of situation, where each person is without a default community and the security such a community allows, is a breeding ground for paranoia, dark psychological adaptations (e.g., unrestrained lust, envy, misanthropy, deep loneliness).

Whereas in the past a horror was to be found in the gap between tight-knit communities and the unfamiliar (e.g., Lovecraft's work finds horror in foreign ethnic groups, mysterious locations, outer space, other dimensions), we now find find ourselves in a position wherein the proposed sources of horror have been explored and sanitized (space is just hecking awesome, Papua New Guinea has its tribes but they are quite laughable and quaint, Innsmouth can be explored on Google Streetview from the comfort of your home) but now the horror is among us, between each atomised person, in the spaces which grow increasingly wider each day between neighbours, between countrymen, between fellow atheists, between those whose daily lives are spent expressing on social media etc just how virtuous, unsinister, pure and normal they are. It is a solipsistic horror, the fear of being rendered insane not due to overwhelming external stimuli but by internal pressures which *should not exist* if society was developing towards the utopia which stands shimmering on the horizon.

The security of the traditional has given way to the horror of the modern: a potential romantic partner may just be a creep, a sadist, a murderer in disguise; the kind, smiling feminist may be a lustful, malevolent seducer who has artfully donned the feminist attire in order to be granted entry into the chicken's coop; the shiny, superficial society of equality and happiness may in fact be the city of Omelas who relies on your personal suffering (suffering you dare not validate for fear of being truly exiled left to rot in isolation) in order to propagate itself.

[Anonymous No.20467729]

Or consider for example the economic landscape: wealth is becoming more and more concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the masses of poorly educated or unskilled individuals aren't able to find jobs which afford them a decent livelihood (as it did their father, etc), home-ownership is becoming a luxury. The scene is one where the water is rising and rising at a quicker rate and people are scrambling to climb up the sides of the well to escape, clinging on to the footholds of jutting stones while refusing to look down at those screaming in pain as they are abandoned and left to drown (or look down only to laugh maniacally, convinced of their own superiority). This also is a good subject of contemporary horror. Not only are people being "unpersoned" in the modern-day witch trials we are all familiar with, but by mundane economic pressure which reduces more and more men everyday to anonymous, undesirable - almost "untouchable", in the Indian caste sense - cattle whose energy is exploited with no reward, who dwell in tiny apartments and rented rooms.

[Anonymous No.20467736]

Consider using different words to open up your paragraphs.

[Anonymous No.20467763]

>>20467596
>A similar example is the story The Feminist (again by someone whose name I can't remember, Toby something).

Tony Tulathimutte
https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-35/fiction-drama/the-feminist/

It's good and memorable

[Anonymous No.20467772]

>>20467763
But is it Horror? I would argue yes in this context, what about you?

[Anonymous No.20467814]

>>20467772

Yeah, I agree. It can be viewed as horror, and I think in that light its even more compelling. It is, in a way, utterly terrifying. I think especially because it posits what it is describing as solutionless, and we are forced to watch the traffic pile up and the train crash


I find what you wrote interested and I'm going to sit and muse on it a while.

[Anonymous No.20467897]

Some other recent examples which maybe qualify:

Perfect Blue (anime): the horror of parasocial relationships, technological omniscience, the contrast of public-facing image and dark persona

Black Mirror (TV series): horror of technology, anonymous malevolent actors in the digital sphere, the horror of status competition (replacing resource competition)

Jordan Peele (and others) work (TV, movies): the horror of rival ethnic communities existing alongside one's own (without a Providence, RI as refuge)

[Anonymous No.20467927]

>>20452734
He is thinking about he evolution of ideas in the wrong fashion, and cosmic horror is relevant to the things that frighten modern people, but I'm so tired of it. just want something different for God's sake.

[Anonymous No.20468352]

>>20465596
I understand perfectly the words I use. I've tread over many different bases for metaphors including mathematics, memory-machines, to more traditional forms. I have yet to discover a base which is capable of fitting within "reason-driven" logical systems, besides hyperpunning and paraconsistent logics, and still this is pure heuristic. Even if you understand paraconsistency, you need to have the ability to identify the stacked puns as mind-datums, and a self-referential reflection to understand these mind-datums as masked simulation. The unfortunate result of this metaphorical basis then is that unless you traverse the bubble by your own means, my words fall on deaf ears. Nothing I can say can teach you that ability of crossing these bubbles.

>Metaphysics is the study of the highest genus.
Metaphysics are precluded by predicate structure, and of course here we have notions of ordering with a "highest" qualifier. Even if you didn't understand the deeper concepts, I do recall explicitly telling you that where we're going, we preclude nouns and verbs full stop. Metaphysics concerns itself with the discernment of the structure of reality. Even within that structure, there are systems which forgo ordering. When I make note of the edgeless bubble of reality, contains not just what is, but also what is not. I'm not going to keep repeating the fact that predication itself is a primitive exclusive to this "bubble".

>and making appeals to "you just don't understand bro" is absolutely retarded
If that were all I wrote, I might even agree. Instead, I never even assumed you didn't, I just noted the likelihood of you failing to understand, and that I don't find it a knock against your character. It's not important to dwell on.

>If it's impossible to convey what you mean, then you're better off not saying anything at all
You've outright ignored plain language portions with no metaphor or hidden components. Even lacking the ability to understand underlying notions, you have zero excuse to ignore the fact that I tell you classical logic and predication are incompatible in this domain and cry about it when you can't reconcile these two.

>because everything you've said is de jure false and therefore not even worth arguing with.
This wasn't an argument at all. I merely served to you a completely alien thought-form to do so much as explain how notions fall flat on their face. EG impossibile phenomena transpiring owed to some other possibility-like notion emulating possibility itself, or some phenomena-like notion which is only interpretatively casted to an impossible phenomena (while itself being besides possibility), or perhaps even a combination of these two.

>it's not even a concept, it's nothing except a figment of your imagination
I could tell you that this is the closest (if limited) you've come to understanding, but not only would you then interpret me as acting in bad faith, it is completely irrelevant. We're talking about fictional horror.

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.20468374]

>>20468352
I’m telling ya, check out machen and the basi legani, look into the ghayb and the meon, look into the purely Jewish sources on the sitra achra.

>>20467927
Honestly I think the MR James style ghost story more enjoyable than the lovecraft pastiche cosmic horror. More genuine strangeness, cosmic horror is very much working off a too common template at this point.

[Anonymous No.20468377]

>>20454279
This looks like the shit Baphomet kun posts.

[Anonymous No.20468412]

>>20454279
k

[Anonymous No.20468566]

>>20465519
I think out of all replies, you are the closest to understanding. I'm very familiar with this notion of god, and actually I found it to be a gateway to my current understanding. The starting point is the ability to understand the unbinding of notions, which you clearly are capable of by knowing this conception of god to neither be full of quality or quality-less, being besides these notions of descriptive attribute entirely. I want you to try and expand this transformation from explicit binary is-is not to an undefined (undefinable) state, generally.

Now, try if you can to wield this tool against predication entirely. Given the notions of thing-ness and phenomena and even quality, push them out of your mind. To even say this "conceptual" (thing) "space" (thing) "is" (phenomena) "less than empty" (quality) is a natural non-sequitur. Use the same path to this space, but this time, apply a notional filter of that which is neither a noun, nor not-a-noun, and so on. The addition of negation is important. The end goal of this is to see and understand that there is an answer to what appears to be nonsensical questions which are capable of being boiled down into predicate-statements despite themselves.

I'm quite familiar with meontology, and you're correct there is some intersection BUT only with a very specific school of meontology which respects the true meaning of the non- prefix in non-being. Non- is not a cognate for opposition, but of exclusion. For instance, a non-positive number is not necessarily negative, or even zero. Of course, this analogy has issues with improperly accounting for irrelation, I am *very* aware of that.

Where I find a steep divergence is that my conceptions abide full orthodox trivialism and are infinitely regressive, as these two tools are the only ones powerful enough to actually survive impossible journeys.

[Anonymous No.20468583]

>>20468374
>I’m telling ya, check out machen and the basi legani, look into the ghayb and the meon, look into the purely Jewish sources on the sitra achra.
I'm actually curious to read about this author Grant and his other trees of life.

Anyways, what are your thoughts on applying these notions to traditional religions, for the purposes of writing a genre to be called divine horror?

[Anonymous No.20468598]

>>20454279
IO(you)

[Anonymous No.20468612]

what's this image on the post "20454279" and why are schizos freaking out about it

not a real reply btw

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.20468621]

>>20468566
The breaking of the dichotomy of is and is not to the truly more grand undefined which is in contrast to the qualitied is again, already known of. I’ve actually written multiple theological poems on this topic, even your infinite regress I’ve worked out and the alienation of alienation producing the unalienated.if you desire though it’s covered in jargon personal terminology and so forth, here’s my notes on investigation of this topic, i label it soseinology on account that characteristic and lack of characteristics (undefined ) free of our manner of sein and the grouping of just our sein is the primary topic, the aussersein of meinong + boehme+ Hegel+ Sufi and kabbalistic and tantrik lit+laruelle+typhonian vamachara is basically how I deal with and resolve this.

A link to diary where I’ve written various articles on describing these, mystical practices for gaining knowledge into these, and so forth.

https://pastebin.com/Db100717

It may be easier to begin with the oldest writing on the topic and go upwards since I continue to build up and zoom out.

But to tldr, via certain non dualist conceptions of the ego you’re able to conceptualize as it were beyond sunyata (of which is withdrawing from the selection/abiding in the 8, which are A
not-A
Both A and Not-A
Neither A and Not-A, which is to say

BEING
NOT-BEING
BOTH
NEITHER,

And this by nagarjuna is doubled into the eightfold array, by also adding the negations of these, which is

NOT-A IS
NOT-A IS NOT
BOTH
NEITHER

Thus the Buddhists choose none of the 8 options and instead, cleaving to none of them, stay in the empty center, thus all 0 positions and not grasping any of the 8 and this position is both epistemological (as they make no grasp for any of the 8 categories) and ontological (as they make no grasp for any of the 8 categories.) having a grasp of ego while going beyond these 8 is the key to access of the other logic forms mystically, for all of them reconcile in the nature of the transcendental ego which may be made nondual to the empirical ego and reason via means outlined in the articles.

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.20468627]

>>20468583
>I'm actually curious to read about this author Grant and his other trees of life.

Bad choice to focus on grant, his writings are good but obscured and surrealist and peppered with fiction intentionally, his worst work is concerning qlippoth which he fixates on without actually knowing what it is, he mistakes these other trees for the qlipppth when the qlippoth are no more than the mundane mind, his other works and theories on the topic are better. Quzat’s conception of the ghayb is more direct, likewise the basi legani outlines the nature of these trees.


>Anyways, what are your thoughts on applying these notions to traditional religions, for the purposes of writing a genre to be called divine horror?


Already exists in machen, see the white people or his other lit.

[Anonymous No.20468673]

>>20468621
>>20468627
I would like to continue this talk, I find it quite riveting, but I've just looked at the clock and realized I've spent more than enough time posting for the day. Truly this board still holds some semblance of worth, despite its eternal nose-dive in quality. Have a good day, anon.

[Anonymous No.20468722]

>>20452657
>What's the next logical step in horror after cosmic horror if there is one at all?
Acknowledging the reality of women. The Black Pill types don't have the literary skills to convert it into a book.

[Anonymous No.20468734]

>>20468374
>Honestly I think the MR James style ghost story more enjoyable than the lovecraft pastiche cosmic horror.

Original HPL > MRJ >>>>> HPL copycats.

MRJ has the added benefit of its Peak White Man setting a.k.a. Victorian London.

[Anonymous No.20468874]

>>20467596
>>20467698
>>20467729
This is the type of horror I'd like to read.

[Anonymous No.20468875]

>>20467897
What about Paranoia Agent?

[Anonymous No.20469041]

>>20454279
Checked

[Anonymous No.20469094]

>>20468875
Haven't watched it sorry, but same director so probably relevant. I'm gonna bookmark it thanks.

[Anonymous No.20469096]

>>20467596
>>20467698
>>20467729
Excellent posts, exactly the type of soul crushing blackpilling despairing shit I come on this board for.

[Anonymous No.20469420]

>>20454279
Ahhhhh noooo

[Anonymous No.20469468]

>>20454279
As to the OP's question, unironically the Left Behind series. Everything the average secular materialist "knows" about reality turns out to be false, everything they thought was important washed away and replaced with a cosmic conflict between good and evil.

[Anonymous No.20469527]

>>20452657
What is your OP pic from
I had a dream about this nigga once (he killed me)

[Anonymous No.20469562]

>>20454279
Well played sir

[Anonymous No.20469837]

feel that Thomas Ligotti sort of reached the logical conclusion of horror by taking it from the cosmic to the ONTOLOGICAL. in his work, the mere fact of existing is a nightmare, and being a living creature means you are destined to disease, suffering and death

question is what can you do after that? for all the people who hail Ligotti as a big influence or as the greatest horrorist since Poe and Lovecraft, nobody has really managed to take it further

[Anonymous No.20469856]

>>20469837
Good point.

[Anonymous No.20469980]

>>20454367
I really really fucking hope everyone that has played a role in the torture of that boy get what they deserve. I'm so jaded that most things go by me without a reaction, but for some reason, I still feel for that kid.

[Anonymous No.20470150]

>>20454279
I want to die but I don't want to die a virgin

[Anonymous No.20470186]

>>20452657

Metaphysical Horror/4-D Horror

[Anonymous No.20470423]

>>20454279
>die in your sleep on August 23rd 2022
i dont mind desu

[Anonymous No.20470696]

>>20454279
agh fine

[Anonymous No.20470753]

>>20452884
I own that game, it got boring pretty fast.

[Anonymous No.20470931]

>>20454279
That's not nice

[Anonymous No.20471401]

>>20465398
If he is only all-powerful in one bubble and not all, than he is not all-powerful at all. Your overly verbose pseudery won’t change that

[Anonymous No.20471447]

>>20471401
Yes. I'm thinking the concern really comes down to the question or doubt as to whether God is both good and just (or perhaps, relatedly, whether God is God in the sense of being the transcendental source of all being, or whether there is another "bubble").

>>20464691
>>20462956
>>20470696
>>20470931, etc
Why do people go along with this shit? Are such replies purely ironic or performative? A sort of collective game that's fun to play along with? They seem, rather to reflect a genuinely superstitious bent.

[Anonymous No.20471510]

>>20454279
Faggot

[Anonymous No.20471542]

>>20465519
>>20468621
wtf is this schizo shit I'm drunk as fuck

[Anonymous No.20471555]

>>20467596
>>20467698
>>20467729
I'm with this fellow, the great dame of 21st century Horror is Joyce Carol Oates. The future of this genre is female neurosis.

[Anonymous No.20471612]

>>20471542

[Anonymous No.20471721]

>>20454279
If you insist.

[Anonymous No.20471734]

>>20470150
The loss of virginity as some sort of meaningful thing is a spook.

[Anonymous No.20471736]

>>20471734
So are you which means you're A nog

[Anonymous No.20471737]

>>20471736
Some people say nogs are spooks, but we're not.

[Anonymous No.20471741]

>>20454279
>Cognitohazards
wut

[Anonymous No.20471744]

>>20470150
>
You've got bigger things to worry about than your virginity, mortal.

[Anonymous No.20472007]

>>20454279
nigger.

[Anonymous No.20472084]

>>20460501
>>20465398
>>20468566
This is typical pseud who thinks he is smarter then he really is.

[Anonymous No.20472355]

I'm afraid I haven't much to contribute to the actual topic of discussion but what I would like to ask to you horror aficianados about who in your opinion are the essentials of horror? I'm planning on going on a binge this fall and there is a lot I haven't read. From what I gather the big names go something like this: MR James / Machen / Poe / Lovecraft / Blackwood and then maybe we move on to modern stuff like King and Ligotti. Anyone I'm missing on the list outside the obvious old gothic classics?

[Anonymous No.20472583]

>>20452657
A loop back into the horror of the everyday life.
Would Catcher in the Rye be considered a horror in a few years?

[Anonymous No.20473446]

>>20454279
Rope yourself nigger

[Anonymous No.20473517]

>>20454279
im scared now

[Anonymous No.20473559]

>>20454279
Ah

[Anonymous No.20473684]

>>20472355
pic related is old but still a good starting point. under the bottom tier i'd keep only ligotti and swap the others for

>brendan connell - unpleasant tales
>mark samuels - the white hands
>jon padgett - the secret of ventriloquism
>nicole cushing - children of no one
>christopher slatsky - the immeasurable corpse of nature
>matthew m. bartlett - gateways to abomination
>d.p. watt - almost insentient, almost divine

[Anonymous No.20474031]

>>20454279
A

[Anonymous No.20474299]

>>20473684
Any other recommendation chart for horror?

[Anonymous No.20474538]

>>20454279
ok

[Anonymous No.20474551]

>>20454279
fag

[Anonymous No.20474615]

>>20454279
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.20474634]

>>20471447
>Why do people go along with this shit?
It's just tradition devolved into reflex, like knocking on wood or saying bless you after sneezing. Only reason I don't do it anymore is because piece of shit jannies kept banning me for "responding to off topic garbage"

[Anonymous No.20474784]

>>20471447
>Why do people go along with this shit?
Responding creates a false sense of security against the natural chaos of life. In real life death can happen at any time, but if you respond it makes you feel like it won't happen whenever the shitpost said it would, in your monkey brain

[Anonymous No.20474984]

>>20458802
that is a comfy thought, not a scary one

[Anonymous No.20475421]

>>20454279
This is a good story

[Anonymous No.20475425]

>>20454279
kys

[Anonymous No.20475489]

>>20454279
bah

[Anonymous No.20475593]

>>20452657
Flipping one's entire perspective to the point that slice of life pleasant laid back stories are in themselves horror

[Anonymous No.20475602]

>>20456118
Bill's motivation for doing so makes zero sense, to the point where the reasoning of such a godlike AI could be a random number generator of drastically high stakes actions affecting anyone on the human race, and it wouldn't make much of a difference.

[Anonymous No.20475612]

>>20452657
We're already in a folk horror revival

[Anonymous No.20475618]

>>20473684
Whargoul is hilarious

[Anonymous No.20475624]

>>20454279
Weh

[Anonymous No.20475633]

replying itt but not to the post because i want to die

[Anonymous No.20475905]

>>20475612
Nazi horror?

[Anonymous No.20475962]

>>20475905
What

[Anonymous No.20475989]

>>20475962
Horror where nazis are the villains. Volk horror