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[Anonymous No.20439266]

> I know that my freedom is already diminished when I cannot exercise my will on an other (whether this other be something without will, like a rock, or something with will, like a government, an individual, etc.); I deny my ownness when—in the presence of another—I give myself up, i.e., I give way, stand aside, submit; thus, by devotion, submission. For it is one thing when I give up my present course because it doesn’t lead to the goal and so diverts me down a wrong path; and another when I give myself up. I get around a rock that stands in my way, until I have enough powder to blow it up; I get around the laws of a people, until I’ve gathered the strength to overthrow them. Since I cannot grasp the moon, is it therefore supposed to be “sacred” to me, an Astarte? If I could only grasp you, I surely would, and if I find a way to come up to you, you shall not frighten me! You incomprehensible one, you shall remain incomprehensible to me only until I have acquired the power of comprehension for myself and call you my own; I do not surrender before you, but only bide my time. If I am also content for now to touch something of you, I still remember it of you.
Was Stirner a crypto-rapist?

[Anonymous No.20439344]

>Freedom and expression of self must mean violence and transgression
Grow up and quit thinking like a prole

[Anonymous No.20439365]

>>20439344
Is that a yes?

[Anonymous No.20439368]

>>20439365
Oh, fuck off already

[Anonymous No.20439369]

>>20439266
No, just a crypto retard.

[Anonymous No.20439375]

>>20439266
>something without will, like a rock
schoppy disagrees metaphysically

[Anonymous No.20439409]

>>20439266
Stirnerian philosophy is typical for NPCs. They desperately desire freedom from what they feel is controlling them, be it morals or another's will, yet they cannot understand they it is impossible not to be a slave. They are slaves to the meaningless pursuit of freedom, itself a spook, just as consumers are slaves to products or coomers are slaves to desires they cannot control.

[Anonymous No.20439442]

>>20439409
>What a difference between freedom and ownness! One can get rid of a lot, but one doesn’t get rid of everything; one becomes free from much, but not from all. One may be free inwardly despite a condition of slavery, though, once again, it is only from a whole lot of things, not from everything; but as a slave one does not get free from the whip, the imperious temper, etc., of the master. “Freedom lives only in the realm of dreams!” On the other hand, ownness is my whole essence and existence, it is myself. I am free from what I am rid of, owner of what I have in my power, what I control. I am at all times and under every circumstance my own, if I know how to have myself and do not waste myself on others. Being free is something that I cannot truly will, because I cannot make it, I cannot create it: I can only wish for it and—strive for it, because it remains an ideal, a phantasm. The fetters of reality cut the sharpest welts in my flesh at every moment. But I remain my own. Given over in bondage to a master, I think only of myself and my advantage; his blows indeed strike me, I am not free from them; but I endure them only for my benefit, perhaps to deceive him and make him feel safe with my sham of patience or, again, to avoid rousing anger against myself through my insubordination. But because I keep an eye out for myself and my self-interest, I grab the first good opportunity by the forelock to crush the slave-owner.

[Anonymous No.20439478]

>>20439442
Acknowledging the ridiculousness of one's position does not make the position any less ridiculous. Regardless, I'm describing spookposters that like to cream themselves every time morality is mentioned.

[Anonymous No.20439490]

>>20439478
What position? Have you read the book?

[Anonymous No.20439645]

>>20439490
To make it short, egoism, or the philosophy as a whole. Your quote is also an example of Stirner's deceptive view of freedom.
I'm at work but when I get off I'll see if the thread is still up. I'm not as well read as you are when it comes to Stirner so I'm sure you'll btfo me regardless. I certainly can't remember passages off the top of my head.

[Anonymous No.20439688]

>>20439645
I’ll probably be asleep since it’s six in the morning but I’ll check once I wake up

[Anonymous No.20439709]

>>20439266
He was the best kind of rapist.

[Anonymous No.20439774]

>stirner

[Anonymous No.20439852]

>>20439645
So you haven't read it, yes?

[Anonymous No.20439889]

>>20439266
Stirners freedom is also impeded in having to work to pay for rent and food.

[Anonymous No.20439930]

>>20439709
Smug detective… uoh…

[Anonymous No.20439998]

>>20439852
no I haven't

[Anonymous No.20440434]

>>20439266
He sounds like he's been sucking his own dick the whole time. I wish someone had punched him off his horse.

[Correan Collar No.20440459]

>>20439344
this

[Anonymous No.20440471]

>my will
>my ownness
>myself
poor fella shouldve read his gautama

[Anonymous No.20440747]

>>20439266
>>20439442
Stirner is very based and his philosophy contains actual esoteric knowledge if you use it right. Despíte his language and what >>20440471 says he has some interesting overlap with buddhism. I once decided to read a book called "The Origins of Virtue" to see if the origins of morality would destroy his selfish amoral philosophy only for the book to confirm that he was right all along.

[Anonymous No.20440761]

>>20439409
You don't understand it.

[Anonymous No.20441170]

>>20439409
fuck off karl