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[Anonymous No.20438817]

Post-apocalypse Cultism Edition

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[Anonymous No.20438836]

Have you read anything cute and funny recently? Requesting cunny recommendations.

[Anonymous No.20438846]

>>20438836
I love cunny threads

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.20438851]

The Way Spring Arrives and Other Stories, Yu Chen & Regina Kanyu Wang, editors (2022)

As stated on the cover, "FROM A VISIONARY TEAM OF FEMALE AND NONBINARY CREATORS"
All of the authors, translators, and editors are female or nonbinary. Though, only two listed their pronouns as she/they in their included biographical material, so not really much of the latter. I was going to have this as part of next month's theme, but it turned out that despite the preceding statement there's essentially zero LGBT content, which isn't what I expected. So, may as well post it while still doing Asian works.

The Stars We Raised - Xiu Xinyu (2017)
Rural children raise baby stars, but then their parents grind them up into a cement addictive. Urban children are uninterested in them. Possibly an allegory about hopes/dreams/personality/etc and how children feel about what is done to them.
Blah

The Tale of Wude’s Heavenly Tribulation - Count E (2011)
A black fox with 500 years of cultivation and is able to transform into a human, among various other abilities, prepares for his heavenly tribulation to proceed to the next level of cultivation.
Ok

What Does the Fox Say? - Xia Jia (2022)
A story about how an AI would generate a story using tropes, memes, and various rules to demonstrate creativity.
Meh

Blackbird - Shen Dacheng (2020)
A young nurse at a nursing home wonders about the elderly woman who has refused death several times.
Meh

The Restaurant at the End of the Universe: Tai-Chi Mashed Taro - Anna Wu (2016)
Li Jia, famed throughout the multiverse, orders takeout for a mortal that has caught his attention.
Meh

Baby, I Love You - Zhao Haihong (2002)
A programmer has been tasked with developing a holographic baby raising simulator. In order to make it as realistic as possible, he must convince his wife to have a child. Trouble ensues. Three years before this was written, Babyz was released. I was rather conflicted by this story, but I guess it won me over with the ending.
Enjoyable

A Saccharophilic Earthworm - BaiFanRuShuang (2005)
A troubled woman is a stage director for her plants to the dismay of her husband.
Blah

The Alchemist of Lantian - BaiFanRuShuang (2005)
This has the same translator and author as the previous story, but it's written entirely differently. It's filled with cursing, slang, and generally written in a very modern and youthful way. A being accidentally destroys something valuable to a human and feels bad about it and tries to provide recompense.
Meh

The Way Spring Arrives - Wang Nuonuo (2019)
A master and apprentice go on a fantastical journey to bring forth Spring.
Meh

The Name of the Dragon - Ling Chen (2007)
A dragon sealed away in a box for the last 600 years feels that it has been oppressed by humans for too long. It was already killed once and had to cultivate its soul for 4,000 years to get a body again.
Blah

[Anonymous No.20438853]

Earthsea series any good? I dug the Daoist themes in The Lathe of Heaven.

[Anonymous No.20438859]

>>20438851
Misandrist scum.

[Anonymous No.20438860]

>>20438853
It's basically The Feminists Guide To Not Being Toxically Macsuline: Fantasy edition. It's not as preachy and outright offensive as modern feminist screeds, but it's still obviously feminist.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.20438861]

>>20438851
To Procure Jade - Gu Shi (2013)
A eunuch is tasked with find a spring of eternal youth for the Empress, but decides not to do that because they would rather just live their life instead, so they steal imperial treasures and live off the proceeds. However, they keep a single treasure, a very ominous artifact indeed.
Meh

A Brief History of Beinakan Disasters as Told in a Sinitic Language - Nian Yu (2018)
An aquatic alien civilization persists through time immemorial until they must flee their home planet due to the imminent explosion of their star. Then, they'll do whatever it takes survive. Anything, anything at all.
Enjoyable

Dragonslaying - Shen Yingying (2006)
A doctor seeks out a dragonslayer for their supposed prowess at surgery. Dragonslaying is the surgical process of turning the fins of the aquatic slave race into legs, so that they may more easily serve humans as slaves. What she finds is far worse than she imagined.
Enjoyable

New Year Painting, Ink and Color on Rice Paper, Zhaoqiao Village - Chen Qian (2020)
An art restorer comes across a burned painting in pieces and slowly puts it back together. The commissioner proclaims it CURSED, but it's posted to social media anyway. An elderly woman comes to buy it, knowing its true nature.
Ok

The Portrait - Chu Xidao (2003)
The greatest painter in the land is the sought by all, but he's met his match with the newest woman he has to paint, because neither of them are what they seem.
Meh

The Woman Carrying a Corpse - Chi Hui (2019)
I don't know what this is an allegory for. I could guess, but it'd almost certainly be entirely wrong. It's exactly what the title says. A woman carries a corpse and many people ask her why.
Blah

The Mountain and the Secret of Their Names - Wang Nuonuo (2019)
A village is by a satellite launching site and debris falls and destroys property and kills people. However, with the warding ritual its effects can be minimized with the blessing of the mountain. A grandfather tries to convince his grandson of the value of their traditional ways, but the grandson believes only technology can be the answer. However, he allows that perhaps there's a secret of which he's unaware.
Ok

There were also five serious academic essays.

[Anonymous No.20438885]

>>20438860
Aww man...

[Anonymous No.20438902]

>>20438851
>Chinese sci-fi
Okay, could be neat
>By female and non-binary authors
Aaaand into the trash it goes...

[Anonymous No.20438919]

>>20438902
I assume you didn't see the various other Chinese sci-fi I posted about this month.

[Anonymous No.20438942]

>>20438919
I haven't been on 4schit for a week or more, so sue me.

[Anonymous No.20438951]

>>20438942
It was at the beginning of the month. If you're interested I could link them, unless you only posted that to make an ideological point to feel good about yourself.

[Anonymous No.20438966]

>>20438951
Nah, feel free to post m8. Just no "non-binary" fantasy froo-foo none existent ambiguous third gender designation.

[Anonymous No.20439025]

>>20438885
The first three books are pretty good when they focus on Ged and his travels, the last book (written after full feminist transition) is all about "I'm an old woman who isn't appreciated", then she bangs Ged.
I don't remember much else about that book.

[Anonymous No.20439149]

>>20438836
Watership Down has cute rabbits

[Anonymous No.20439158]

No beast-fables

[Anonymous No.20439170]

>>20438851
Why the fuck would you read this

[Anonymous No.20439174]

A frequent problem in fantasy I've seen is a focus on the wrong character, wrong story, wrong time. Fascinating worlds explored at their least interesting parts.

[Anonymous No.20439175]

>>20439174
I appreciate you providing examples to prove your point.

[Anonymous No.20439191]

>>20439174
>Implying following the story of the little guy in dull times is not far superior to god kings and ubermensch.

[Anonymous No.20439194]

Any books like the Gormenghast trilogy?

[Anonymous No.20439195]

[Anonymous No.20439198]

>>20439174
I find kind of the opposite, most fantasy tries so hard to be super interesting that it just falls flat. There's no sense of scale, every threat is going to destroy the entire world, the stakes are always 11 out of 10, everything is huge.
It tries so hard to be unique and interesting that it just becomes bland, like food with too much seasoning.

[Anonymous No.20439218]

>>20439194
I'm reading this book and finding it incredibly boring, Where does this book starts getting better?

[Anonymous No.20439246]

Why do fantasy queens have such big busty chests?
https://youtu.be/ELNWeJbiV08

[Anonymous No.20439255]

>>20439246
I stole your gag in a comment, and then realised this female replies to every comment and pussied out.

[Anonymous No.20439257]

>>20439246
Fantasy produces estrogen.

[Anonymous No.20439261]

>>20439246
No S&S books on her shelves; thus proving S&S is the most masculine brand of fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20439289]

>>20439170
There aren't that many anthologies of professionally translated Chinese SFF short fiction. I probably read most of them this month. I know of a few others. Aside from that, because it doesn't matter to me who wrote whatever as long as I enjoy it.

[Shiller No.20439290]

>>20437922
>5 whole chapters of Geneva shortly followed up by 4 Laken ones
>There's too much shit happening in these books
>Too often I wish it'd just focus on a set of characters for longer

It seems you are about to read 4.24 - 4.31, the best arc of the early TWI. Good luck, it's amazing. As for the different PoVs, they improve as time goes, but the story is more than just the Inn, even if with time all the plotlines start bumping into each other. But I think you've already seen all the main PoVs. Still, for Volumes 4-6 it's overwhlemingly Liscor and Goblins, bigger stuff comes later. As for skipping, well, it's frowned upon.

[Anonymous No.20439296]

>>20439218
I was hooked from page 1, which probably isn't the answer you're looking for. In terms of the plot, everything really picks up with Steerpike's increasing shenanigans, and I personally rank him as one of the best characters I've ever read. But imo the plot isn't the main selling point of Gormenghast, it's the ambiance / texture and the cast of characters that really put it up there for me. Peake was an artist, and I feel like reading the book with that in mind helps you see its biggest strengths.

[Anonymous No.20439330]

>>20439255
That’s okay. I left a comment for you on this video.
https://youtu.be/bc6Alv7LgEI
Her husband is actually smaller than her and seems to be effeminate. We shall raid his holding and abduct the busty maiden, making her the concubine of /sffg/‘s thane.

[Anonymous No.20439332]

>>20439174
Dark Tower done this. Also fantasy books tend to take a very narrow path through a rich world

[Anonymous No.20439454]

Any sci-fi stories that feel similar to cowboy bebop or firefly? Smaller scale adventures of an individual or group in space.

[Anonymous No.20439485]

>>20439454
I got nothin'. Apparently there's a Netflix novel though.

[Anonymous No.20439517]

>>20439485
Goodreads is utter shit for finding books. It is good for seeing the details of a specific book, just not searching for them.

[Anonymous No.20439592]

>>20439454
Tuf Voyaging. I’ve read the first story and it has that back and forth in the small crew like Cowboy Bebop and Firefly imo.

[Anonymous No.20439595]

>>20438851
>"le ebin nonbinary femoid creators" as an advertising point
aaand into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.20439704]

>>20439595
you weren't going to read it anyway, you never actually post about reading anything

[Anonymous No.20439711]

>mfw I realize Borges is actually the greatest fantasy author

[Anonymous No.20439888]

Well? How did you come to hate so much what you once loved, /sffg/?

[Anonymous No.20439895]

>>20439888
Breaking suspension of disbelief, specifically the disbelief that the writer is a hack fraud with no plan for how to finish the series.

[Anonymous No.20440001]

So what am I getting from reading The Expanse?
I liked the concept of the tv show but I just thought it was too fast, idk if it was the writing or the editing but it felt really flimsy

[Anonymous No.20440031]

Is being a male minority enough to get a book about abortion published? It's fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20440075]

3 body series sparked my imagination better and more vividly than a lot of sci fi I've read. I think good prose is optional for sci fi. you just need fascinating, out-there concepts.

[Anonymous No.20440122]

>>20440031
Doubt it. Being male is a hindrance to getting published by the mainstream in general nowadays. Having some oppression points to spend for being brown or gay may be helpful but not that much. Just look at the Hugo and Nebula awards of the past five years or so. Utterly female dominated.

That's assuming your writing is pro-life though. If you're pro-choice, then you might serve the mainstream as an Uncle Tom well enough.

[Anonymous No.20440134]

>>20438817
any recommendations for books like in the op pic? i have read dying earth, leibowitz, 1000 worlds, wolfe, bakker

[Anonymous No.20440135]

>>20440031
use a femoid pseudonym
bonus points it it sounds like a pajeet name

[Anonymous No.20440146]

>>20440135
Now that I think about it, almost every famous author from my racial grouping is from my specific ethnicity. I could literally tweak one or two letters and sound like a powerful African woman with ease.

[Anonymous No.20440283]

>>20440031
Why even write something like that? Cant you think of some interesting concept and story to write about?

[Anonymous No.20440299]

>>20440283
It's good conflict, and a good basis for introducing lovecraftian elements.

[Anonymous No.20440318]

>>20440146
Nigerian? I follow a speculative writer who lives in Nigeria and he wins awards without making it woke or feminising his name.

[Anonymous No.20440364]

>>20438951
I'd like to see them :)

[Anonymous No.20440535]

>>20438902
Chinese sci-fi is inherently degenerate

[Anonymous No.20440548]

>>20438902
your first mistake was thinking chinese literature could be neat at all

[Anonymous No.20440633]

>>20439711
thoughts on calvino?

[Anonymous No.20440673]

>>20440633
Only read Invisible Cities. Some of the parables were really good, but most were too brief to have a lot of impact on me. I tried to take it slow and think about each of them but I felt like it dragged on and was kind of shallow overall.
I understand he wrote lots of other good stuff.

[Anonymous No.20440681]

>>20440548

[Anonymous No.20440695]

>>20439888
>I don't understand basic human psychology
isn't he a writer?

[Anonymous No.20440701]

Looking for a good sci fi or fantasy novel or series to start this summer. Going to be doing a lot of camping outdoors and portaging but don't like to read about the outdoors when /out/. Just looking for recommendations. My favourite are the most cringe (sadly) see below:
LOTR/The Hobbit
Wheel of Time
GOT
If recommending a series would prefer it be finished or close to completion as I don't want to go through what I went through with GOT all over again.

[Anonymous No.20440810]

I need something immersive to read so i can forget my shitty life, preferably sci-fi. I really liked first Foundation book so maybe some short stories?

[Anonymous No.20440827]

>>20440810
axiomatic collection by greg egan

[Anonymous No.20440828]

>>20440810
Project Hail Mary is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.20440847]

Any books similar to Tau Zero?

Tau Zero is basically about a colonyship on it's way to another galaxy travelling at the speed of light, but something goes wrong with the ships FTL and they end up going thousands of times faster than the speed of light constantly accelerating and they can't slow down. So much time has passed on Earth that it is now either dead or not the the same world they left.

[Anonymous No.20440878]

>>20440847
Children of Time has another generational ship, and a dead Earth.

[Anonymous No.20440883]

>>20440701
A Prince of Nothing, unironically.

[Anonymous No.20440889]

>>20440701
Bakker

[Anonymous No.20440893]

>>20440878
I wanted to read it but the thought of a race of evolved spiders makes me cringe.

Looking for something more along the lines of Tau Zero where something goes wrong that sends people far across space.

[Anonymous No.20440898]

>>20439592
Thanks, I'll check it out

[Anonymous No.20440921]

>>20440633
>thoughts on calvino?
Cosmicomics are quite cool but I got fed up with his style. It felt like too bit of a stretch and after 10th story I just couldnt read it anymore. However I recommend it to anyone who wants to read something crazy. I wouldn't say its sci-fi/fantasy, more like it has its traits.
Invisible cities felt more like poems and were a lot more emotional than Cosmicomics. Still getting through that tho

[Anonymous No.20440940]

>>20440893
The major part of the book is actually about this character named Holsten, human. He's a Classicist that specializes in the ancient tech of the human empire. His journey through time and this generational ship is actually the most brilliant part of the book, where he keeps waking up to find different and difficult situations that he has to defuse.

[Anonymous No.20440948]

>>20440893
>the thought of a race of evolved spiders makes me cringe
>but the explicit relationship details of a crew going times four gorillion the speed of light and their various hilarious sexual escapades is okay

[Anonymous No.20440954]

>>20440940
That part sounds good but I still can't get over the spiders.

[Anonymous No.20440957]

>>20440948
Yes

[Anonymous No.20440996]

mainstream grimdark:
>boring
>incest, cuckoldry, etc
>basically the authors personal sexual fetish diary
>cringe grimderp mostly
>mostly told only from one angle


Warhammer:
>cynical
>disillusioned
>ultraviolent place
>true grimdark
>huge universes where stories are told from multiple angles

[Anonymous No.20441006]

>>20440996
>mainstream grimdark:
There is nothing more mainstream grimdark than Warhammer. There literally is no other franchise with that level of fame. If you are into Warhammer you are an absolute normie.

[Anonymous No.20441008]

>>20441006
this desu

[Anonymous No.20441009]

>>20441006
kys you fucking retard

keep reading shitty grrm novels like a cuck

pick up a gun and fucking kill yourself do it now

[Anonymous No.20441010]

>>20441009
i accept your concession

[Anonymous No.20441011]

>>20441010
>>20441009

[Anonymous No.20441013]

>>20440954
The spider part is actually done very well too. The reader follows various spiders at different stages of their evolution, always with a concrete obstacle to overcome that mirrors the problems the humans face as they journey through space. The spider part is definitively not off-putting at all. You'd actually be surprised at how "human" they appear before us.

[Anonymous No.20441014]

>>20441011
i wasn’t asking

[Anonymous No.20441016]

>>20441014
>>20441009

[Anonymous No.20441017]

>>20441009
cope and seethe warhammer babby
go drink some more citadel paint, get your IQ properly in the room temperature range, you're only a couple points off

[Anonymous No.20441020]

Why is Warhammer just pathetically attempting to copy Bakker?

[Anonymous No.20441022]

>>20441017
>>20441020

>>20441009

[Anonymous No.20441024]

>>20440701
Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn by Tad Williams. One of the main works plagiarized by Gurm.

[Anonymous No.20441032]

speaking of Warhammer, are any of the Warhammer fantasy or Warhammer 40k books any good? Any recommended reading order if so?

[Anonymous No.20441043]

>>20441032
The Ciaphas Cain novels are the only good books to ever come out of Warhammer unfortunately

[Anonymous No.20441071]

speaking of bakker how come his fantasy book series isnt a tabletop board game?

>>20441032
>youtube
>search arch
>choose between:
•horus heresy
•armegeddon
•seige of vraks
•war of badab

want more?:
•Aborder prince
•baldemort
•loremaster of sotek
•Oculus Imperia

want even more?
read the wikis and lexicanums

[Anonymous No.20441109]

>>20441009
>keep reading shitty grrm novels like a cuck
GRRM? Please Anon, have some decency and don't try to tell that GoT is Grimdark. It's low fantasy with kingdoms and some personal, sometimes tragic stories, but it isn't grimdark at all. Just because it's not nice doesn't mean it's 'grimdark.'

[Anonymous No.20441125]

>>20440695
It's because he understands basic human psychology that he riles up people to get attention the cheap way.

[Anonymous No.20441143]

>>20441071
you may also be surprised to find that Oculus Imperia has way more except the multiple wars fought on armageddon

These include subjects such as the prelude to heresy, the great crusade, seige of vraks, badab, and... (prepare yourself for this)

This channel also narrates the age of sigmar.

aborder prince is what you want if you want to hear the actual words from the actual books

[Anonymous No.20441161]

>>20441109
What makes a story grim and dark? Does it require Gayness, Rape, Incest and Murder?

[Anonymous No.20441171]

thoughts on DemonWars sage and other novels by R.A Salvatore?

[Anonymous No.20441172]

Are there any fantasy works in a 16th/17th century setting with fencers and gunpowder rather than the usual knights in armor in a medieval-esque world?

[Anonymous No.20441187]

>>20441172
warhammer fantasy beginner of the end times

[Anonymous No.20441191]

>>20441172
Powder Mage

[Anonymous No.20441199]

>>20441171
I read them in junior high as they released. Not every single in that setting though. I enjoyed them at the time.

[Anonymous No.20441209]

I'm the hero.

[Anonymous No.20441213]

>>20441172
Anon already mentioned Powder Mage. Shadow Campaigns (pseudo-French Revolution/Napoleonic). Temeraire (Napoleonic). A Darker Shade of Magic (Regency). The Blue Sword (I think, it’s been a long time).

The search term you want is flintlock fantasy/bayonet fantasy.

[Anonymous No.20441247]

>>20439194
Perdido Street Station scratches the same itch at times but overall it's pretty different

[Anonymous No.20441259]

>>20440847
Manifold: Space involves a guy travelling through warp-gates, but they're light speed warp gates so by the time he goes through one hundreds of years have passed back on Earth, and he eventually comes back

[Anonymous No.20441311]

Any good modern or near future first contact fics like Troy Rising?

[Anonymous No.20441351]

>>20441259
I'll check it out.

[Anonymous No.20441391]

At chapter 54 of She is the Darkness, and as predicted Murgen is much more enjoyable now that we're completely out of Dejagore. I'm also really liking Croaker's development into a cold motherfucker. It somehow makes his victories more satisfying, probably because of sympathy for his desire for revenge.

[Anonymous No.20441483]

[Anonymous No.20441513]

>>20440701
Malazan.

[Anonymous No.20441515]

>>20441483
worse than Bakker

[Anonymous No.20441527]

>>20440847
Pushing Ice?

[Anonymous No.20441557]

[Anonymous No.20441567]

I'm trying to get keyed in to zombies. Specifically life years after the outbreak. Any recommendations for this kind of zombie lit?

[Anonymous No.20441601]

>>20441527
I've been wanting to read this for a while actually. Think I'll read his new book first then read pushing ice.

[Anonymous No.20441613]

>>20441557
Words words words meaningless words

[Anonymous No.20441647]

>>20439170
Because you hate yourself and deserve punishment

[Anonymous No.20441669]

Was anyone else disappointed after reading the Second Foundation?
I feel like the books are getting worse and worse. I liked the first book the best and while the Mules story was great its end in the third book was cool but not as epic as the resolutions of the earlier criseses. The second half which followed the teenage girl was rather boring. It's cool to know the location of the second foundation, but I expected I would learn a lot more about it, perhaps even seeing a Seldon crises of their own from their point of view.
Should I read Foundation's Edge or give up on the series and read something else?

[Anonymous No.20441672]

>>20440810
>>20441669
Damn you read fast

[Anonymous No.20441690]

>>20441669
The original trilogy is considered the best. I've heard the others described as cash grabs.

[Anonymous No.20441699]

>>20441672
actually forgot i already posted
also not translated to my language so i wont read those

[Anonymous No.20441702]

>>20441172
Would like to say that a lot of weapons in this period were pikes and large swords. Also fully armored knights with pistols in the 16th century that would ride up close quarter, fire, and retreat. You should be more specific on what you want.

[Anonymous No.20441721]

Who is the Shakespeare of isekai?

[Anonymous No.20441774]

>>20441721
Gene Wolfe

[Anonymous No.20441816]

>>20441669
if anyone who actually read the series could help i would be very grateful

[Anonymous No.20441823]

>>20441816
Ask Mark. He read it.

[Anonymous No.20441830]

>>20441721
Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.20441838]

>>20441721
The guy that Solo Leveling ripped off. Koreans have mastered isekai and none of them have anything interesting to say.

[Anonymous No.20441866]

>>20441838
FFF-Class Trashero is at least a fun read.

[Anonymous No.20441924]

A best-selling fantasy work in 2022 should include...

[Anonymous No.20441947]

>>20441924
Extensive use of neopronouns.

[Anonymous No.20441961]

>>20441866
My boy ill give it a shot but if it's garbage I will curse you.

[Anonymous No.20441968]

>>20441961
It's explicitly a parody of more Japanese-style isekai stories. Translation of the webnovel that I found was pretty mediocre, but they all are. Core of the story is kinda fun at least, the protagonist is just an awful person and refuses to grow.

[Anonymous No.20441980]

What are your fantasy redflags?

>some thief/person living in the slums becomes involved in the greater plot and are the ones to become the hero
>an ancient evil has arisen
>elves are the shitter race
>orcs and goblins are powerfull
>a prophercised child
>story starts with a village being raided
>one of the characters is actually a Prince/Princess who is heir to the throne

[Anonymous No.20441988]

>>20441980
You're just asking for story tropes.

[Anonymous No.20441998]

>>20441988
No I'm stating my redflags when it comes to fantasy. If I see a book with any of these I ignore it.

[Anonymous No.20442000]

>>20441721
CS Lewis.

[Anonymous No.20442009]

>>20441968
My type of protag. Just an unrepentant scumbag.

[Anonymous No.20442022]

>>20442009
He's weirdly sympathetic about it, too. He was isekai'd against his will, absolutely fucking hates this fantasy world (because toilets don't exist) and when he realises he'll just repeat it if it goes bad he stops caring about the morality of how he treats the world's inhabitants because he doesn't really view them as 'real'.

[Anonymous No.20442025]

>>20441980
>female protagonist
>female author
>written after 2010
Not saying it's literally impossible for works exhibiting those signs to be good, but I'm much less likely to give them the benefit of the doubt.

>author listed under LGBT writers in Wikipedia
>work listed under LGBT speculative fiction in Wikipedia
These go straight on the blacklist.

[Anonymous No.20442045]

>>20442025
What is it that makes a female protagonist bad?

[Anonymous No.20442048]

>>20441980
>named weapons
>background characters with names instead of "farmer", "boy", "trader", etc.
>horses with names
>pets with names
>weird names for bars, e.g. "The Toad's Oar"
>names for fantasy species instead of just calling them "the blacks", "the scalies", etc.
>names for sections of lands or sections of the ocean

[Anonymous No.20442062]

>>20442045
Are you honestly expecting a serious response? Are you really that retarded

[Anonymous No.20442066]

>>20442045
Strong tendency towards grrrrl power horseshit.

[Anonymous No.20442071]

>>20442045
They have feelings.

[Anonymous No.20442073]

>>20442048
>Nothing should have names

[Anonymous No.20442075]

>>20442045
/pol/ no like women. Women bad.

[Anonymous No.20442081]

>>20442045
Are you new to /sffg/? We have retards here who don't read and just ideological posts to feel good about themselves. Very few, if any, people here read, and they get shunned for reading and not giving two shits about politics like >>20438851 >>20438861

[Anonymous No.20442105]

>>20442062
>>20442075
>>20442081
dilate

[Anonymous No.20442107]

Does anyone know the title of this book that I don't remember, it was about a boy who was magic, and was who was captured by like vikings or something and sold to this viking girl, and they go to the troll world where other things happen. It was called troll something, I don't remember.

[Anonymous No.20442110]

>>20442107
Try google.

[Anonymous No.20442111]

>>20442081
I recently read a series that had a female protagonist and a gay couple and the one post I made about it led to zero discussion because nobody else even knew about it I guess.

[Anonymous No.20442113]

>>20442105
Haha the epic tranny meme hahaha

Go back >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.20442115]

>>20442071
>>20442066
>>20442062
It strikes me that most women wouldn't have the option of brute force available to them when overcoming obstacles, so that alone means more creative scenarios. Though, i suppose, in fantasy/sf a female character can just be an uber mage or cyborg and brute force through problems anyway.

>>20442075
Tbh, /pol/ is more right about stuff than they are wrong.

[Anonymous No.20442122]

>>20442107
Sea of Trolls? I read that a while ago, but never read the whole series. Thought about trying that, but, eh.

[Anonymous No.20442126]

>>20442110
Just found it, it was sea of trolls
>>20442122
yes

[Anonymous No.20442136]

>>20442107
This?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sea_of_Trolls

[Anonymous No.20442137]

>>20442126
I remember NOTHING about it besides a scene from the second book where he and two girls get affected by weird happy party magic and he kisses both of them.

[Anonymous No.20442142]

>>20442115
>Tbh, /pol/ is more right about stuff than they are wrong
Lol

[Anonymous No.20442146]

>>20442111
>nobody else even knew about it I guess
Good.

[Anonymous No.20442157]

>>20442142
>Lol
The tranny was too stunned to speak

[Anonymous No.20442164]

>>20442115
/pol/ necessarily looks at things through the lens of /pol/ which considers most of the human experience to be degenerate. They're right in the same way that only telling a fraction of a true story is right.

[Anonymous No.20442171]

>>20442111
There’s no point in discussing them because you have fags who will just spam pozzed or some other low-effort posts. This guys >>20438851 >>20438861 has been reviewing books for god knows how long and he still gets shot on for reading books with female protags or other minor bullshit.

[Anonymous No.20442173]

>>20442157
>tranny
Rent fucking free

[Anonymous No.20442179]

>>20442048
I think you'd enjoy the Goblin Slayer novels, anon.

[Anonymous No.20442191]

>>20441980
90% of the time I'll drop something at the first hint of a chosen one. Other than that I'm pretty forgiving.

[Anonymous No.20442193]

>>20442164
The contrary view is that we're in a state of constant progression. In light of history's innumerable rises and falls, that seems just as naive. On the whole though, I'd say that the undeniable growth in technological complexity is a sure sign of a wider pattern of spiritual degeneration. I could spam many other reasons for why I believe there is a wider spiritual degeneration, but it has nothing to do with fantasy or female protagonists.

Hope you didn't take the tranny stuff to heart, by the way, I just find it a funny word.

[Anonymous No.20442195]

>>20442191
Chosen ones are fine so long as they aren't "psyche this circumstantial hero was ACTUALLY a chosen one all along", I find.

[Anonymous No.20442218]

>>20442195
Thinking about it a bit more I did forget to mention I'm okay with chosen ones as long as they aren't the protagonist. I'm a sucker for "hero has to protect a child so they can grow up to save the world" plots.

[Anonymous No.20442223]

>>20442171
>book with tranny and gay couple protagonists
Are saying a book like this is not pozzed?

[Anonymous No.20442224]

>>20442218
That's not a plot I've seen much of. I do also like "protagonist is some other chucklefuck while the chosen one actually deals with the grand plot, and occasionally they intersect".

[Anonymous No.20442227]

>>20441980
>Humans are the real bad guys

[Anonymous No.20442231]

>>20442191
any fantasy like that?
a guy or a group of nobodies traveling the world or something and barely surviving?I love being on the edge while reading something that has tensions build up

[Anonymous No.20442289]

>>20442191
How about fantasy green flags?
>Story starts with the death of an important character in the world.
>protagonist or mentor character is a washed up has been that used to be a baddass
>non standard fantasy race
>antagonist or someone close to the antagonist has a POV
>Rival character is actually likable
>someone close to the protagonist was actually working for the antagonists the whole time, but thoughtout their time together grew to like and care for the protagonist so is conflicted about what he has to do.

[Anonymous No.20442315]

>>20442289
Likeable rivals is something I desperately want to see more of, for sure. Antagonist POVs can be fun too, especially when the antagonist is well-formed and not just a baby eater or whatever.

[Anonymous No.20442342]

>>2044222
Not that anon.
Sure, it is, by your definition, but that isn't something I care about.

[Anonymous No.20442354]

>>20441702
swashbuckling with fantasy

[Anonymous No.20442459]

>>20441980
>>one of the characters is actually a Prince/Princess who is heir to the throne
I love this tripe desu

[Anonymous No.20442484]

>>20442289
>the MC becomes the chosen one by fulfilling the conditions of the prophecy rather than by being selected

[Anonymous No.20442492]

>>20442484
>Chosen one isn't actually supposed to be around but world's in danger so gods haphazardly pick the most competent person

[Anonymous No.20442545]

>>20440889
>>20440883
He said he doesn’t like to read about the outdoors when /out/. Half those books take place in steppes or forests you twats

[11 of 20 (Current: Lord of Mys(...) No.20442557]

Reviewfag finishing up Mother of Learning - Arc 2.

Went with the audiobook on this title and was pleasantly surprised... at first. I had read the entirety of the first book so I expected there to be some translation issues in my head. Zorian sounded fine, as did the atypical narration but when he does aranae or any female voice the narrator makes one of two choices. Racist chinese person or stereotypical irish person. It was funny at first but the novelty died after 15 hours.

Like my previous review, I don't think too much of it. Zorian is often on his own and only bouncing off of others in a mentorship role. The interactions with his sister or others in his class are few and far between, only used to develop Zorian's time loop move set. Not a lot of soul to Edwin (golem training) or Raynie (shifter politico) compared to Kiri, with even Kael become somewhat one note in this part. Though the reveal regarding his daughter was definitely unique, if not delivered rather flatly.

Near the end of the part they setup something about unique treasures for unlocking the gate, which I'm sure is the hook to Arc 3. Zach and Zorian are now together and sharing information, which I hope remains constant. I'll pick up Arc 3 somewhere later on in my list, don't want to burn myself out on the series but I DO want to finish it. The narrative is solely a vehicle for worldbuilding, seems like he's trying to establish something more grandiose in subsequent works? Regardless of this, there's definitely something here it's just buried.

I'd say the addition of Arc 2 brings my score of Mother of Learning from a 5 to a 6. As a note, I'm subbing out Defiance of the Fall on audiobook for Beware of Chicken. I'm not finding myself enjoying how system menus are translated to a sterile audio, repeating itself whenever accessed. I also haven't started Lord of Mysteries as of yet, taking a breath after Ave Rem.

>Current Book:
Lord of Mysteries by 'Cuttlefish'
>Next Audio Book:
Beware of Chicken by 'Casualfarmer'

Previous Scores and Reviews, as requested:
>Cradle by Will Wight - 9/10
>>20411292
>Ave Xia Rem Y by Mat Haz - 8/10
>>20409801
>Forge of Destiny by Yrsillar - 7/10
>>20276359
>A Thousand Li by Tao Wong - 7/10
>>20259011
>Virtuous Sons by Ya Boy - 6/10
>>20411188
>Bastion by Phil Tucker - 6/10
>>20411188
>Mother of Learning Act I & II - 6/10
>>20367274
>Reverend Insanity by Gu Zhen Ren - 5/10
>>20259349
>Soulhome by Sarah Lin - 5/10
>>20374490
>Reincarnation: Threads by Michael Head - 3/10
>>20209353
>Last Ship in Suzhou by Lungs - 0/10 (Dropped)
>>20279014

I'll post recommendations that I've received from others in the reply.

[Anonymous No.20442604]

>>20441980
Berserker characters. "look at me, I am so enraged I cannot control myself. Oh woopsie doodle, I did something bad in my rage state. That's going to smart"
I don't get it, because Norse larpers are some of the most racist people. They hate Tyrone for being violently impulsive. But then worship Borgen Jorgen for being a rageaholic.
It's such a contrived way to create drama. When at any moment a character can just lose themselves and do something crazy, then it's only a matter of time when they finally do. But does it really meld with the plot? I don't think so.

>>20442289
>>protagonist or mentor character is a washed up has been that used to be a baddass
Isn't this EVERY mentor character?

[11 of 20 (Current: Lord of Mys(...) No.20442608]

>>20442557
Definite Reads (5+ Recs):
> Worm by 'Wildbow'
> The Wandering Inn by 'Pirateaba'

Tentative Recommendations (2+ Recs):
> Soulship by Nathan Thompson
> Heaven's Laws by Apollos Thorne
> Sufficiently Advanced Magic by Andrew Rowe
> The World After the Fall by Sing-Shong
> The Second Coming of Gluttony by Ro Yu-jin
> A Practical Guide to Evil by ERRATICERRATA
> Defiance of the Fall by TheFirstDefier

Recommended Once:
> A Goblin's Tale by Scott Straughan
> Ascendance of a Bookworm by Miya Kazuki
> Infinite Realm: Monsters & Legends by Ivan Kal
> Web of Secrets by David Musk
> Dungeon Crawler Carl by Matt Dinniman
> Savage Divinity by ruffwriter
> Grand Master if Demonic Cultivation
> Scum Villain’s Self Saving System

With the bump from Arc 2, the mean score of this excursion is at 5.6. 9 books to go, I'm hoping it clears a 6.

[Anonymous No.20442631]

>>20442608
Andrew Rowe's Sufficiently Advanced Magic was OK. I enjoyed it about as much as Worm, I think.

[Anonymous No.20442645]

>>20442557
>MoL worldbuilding
So apparently deal with that is the author made this whole-ass world first, and wrote Mother of Learning as, effectively, a test drive to make sure the world was coherent and made sense for a story. I'm currently reading it, too, onto chapter 72 I think (and arc 3 is fucking big) and I generally share your sentiment that a lot of arc 2 was basically pretty flat. It honestly felt bizarre how long it took Zorian to just fucking talk to Zach, like I get he's paranoid and all but at least say a THING to him instead of just being an asshole and ignoring him the entire time. I also, as I've said before, really would have liked to see more perspectives than just Zorian, an occasional glimpse on what Zach's doing for example, because it feels like he didn't actually achieve anything in between beating the dragon off-screen and the end of arc 2. I will say I am at least enjoying the characterisation writing for arc 3 so far, so it's something to look forward to. Writing style still feels a little flat, but I'm chalking that up largely to the ESL author.

[Anonymous No.20442703]

>>20442631
I think his Weapons and Wielders series is his best one, because... Well, Keras is just a more interesting protagonist than Corin.

[Anonymous No.20442712]

>>20442342
Why not?

[11 of 20 (Current: Lord of Mys(...) No.20442718]

>>20442608
Tacking on this other infographic for people.

>>20442631
>>20442703
Weapons and Wielders sounds interesting. I'll check out both, thanks.

>>20442645
That's exactly what it feels like. Almost written like a video game demo where Zorian is merely steering through the environment, making sure the NPCs and important characters are adhering to their scripts. Like a dev's debug room on an old PSX game. Correcting them when they're not.

As for Zach, I really can't believe it took two books for them to finally link up and share information. I was disappointed that Zorian didn't take that punch to the face; would've been cathartic for all of us. The character interactions seem to lead to the most meaningful development for this cast so I'm looking forward to Arc 3 now that they're aligning their drives and motivations.

[Anonymous No.20442731]

The Black Gate is shaping up to be a demonpunk setting, where magic items and flying islands and portals and flying platforms etc are all powered by demons. Sadly probably the main religion is going to be demons too.

[Anonymous No.20442755]

>>20442718
>Isekai & Gamelit Rec Chart
never post that chart again, its shit and the person who made it never read any of those stories.

[Anonymous No.20442761]

>>20442718
W&W is diegetically being told after the second Arcane Ascension book (which is what Sufficiently Advanced Magic is part of), so it's probably a good idea to read those first two. There's a whole-ass series that was written before, War of the Broken Mirrors, but honestly they were just okay. Read them if you're interested in the backstory of stuff that the W&W protagonist talks about, but otherwise they're fine as just unspoken backstory.

[11 of 20 (Current: Lord of Mys(...) No.20442769]

>>20442755
A bulk of the ones on this list are trash, but the disclaimer on the bottom seems fair to me. Got a better one?

[Anonymous No.20442773]

Just finished Master of Sorrow and Master Artificer by Justin T. Call, now I have to wait for the third and fourth books. Thanks again to the guy who recommended them to me.

[Anonymous No.20442782]

>>20442755
>Listen to me, I am the master of sffg and I know who read what
>the anon who made that chart, who I don't know, never read those books
>I know this as the sffg god
Neck yourself fagget.

[Anonymous No.20442787]

>>20442769
I think the problem people have with the list is that a lot of them aren't isekai OR gamelit (for example, Mother of Learning) and it seems like somebody literally just looked up a bunch of 'related books' on Amazon to one LitRPG thing.

[Anonymous No.20442794]

>>20442769
A lot of those books are isekai or gamelit. It’s a shit chart because of that.

[Anonymous No.20442802]

>>20442782
fuck back to /a/ isekai generals retard

[Anonymous No.20442819]

>>20442769
A lot of those books aren’t even isekai or gamelit to begin with.

[Anonymous No.20442883]

jolenta booba glistening with sweat as the summertime sun shines bright like a diamond on her nipples

[Anonymous No.20442898]

>>20442802
>the japs invented isekai
You know Narnia, Connecticut Yankee and other old shit had "traveling to another world" as a thing before your nip cartoons, right?
Everything on that chart was published as a book, not some lightnovel, manga or anime.
Neck yourself.

>>20442819
What is Isekai and gamelit then, gatekeeper fag? How many of those did you actually read?

[Anonymous No.20442914]

>>20442898
isekai gamerlit belong in the monkey /a/ isekai general, stop shitting up /ssfg/ with it

[Anonymous No.20442917]

>>20442898
We had this argument a long time ago and you were BTFO then. Stop trying to make Accidental travel and Portal fantasy into isekai.

[Anonymous No.20442926]

>>20440146
Igbos, right? The Ashkenazim of the dusky races

[Anonymous No.20442964]

>>20442914
Why yes. Don't discuss actually published books. We should shit up the thread with nth rendition of Game of Fags theory, maybe some sanderfag? What about Conan for the thousandth time? I know let's circle jerk Vance again. Let's discuss Book of the New Sun again, it's not like we discussed Wolfe for nearly a fucking decade already in the general.
What about some Rothfuss spam?

There is fresh books that are actually causing people to discuss something that wasn't regurgitated from past generals, and you faggets are trying to shit up the thread when people are actually talking about books.

[Anonymous No.20442977]

>>20442964
>There is fresh books that are actually causing people to discuss something that wasn't regurgitated from past generals, and you faggets are trying to shit up the thread when people are actually talking about books.
You know it’s just one guy who hates any sort of discussion on /sffg/. You can either ignore him or report him, but don’t respond to him.

[Anonymous No.20442982]

>>20442917
Isekai is just a buzzword, fagget.
I see, you haven't gotten your daily allotted doses of (you)s. Well this will be your last (you) from me. You are just shitting up the thread.

[Anonymous No.20442992]

>>20442917
Portal fantasy and isekai ARE the same thing. The problem with that chart is A) it's shit, a lot of these are literally who-tier books nobody cares about and B) some of them are neither isekai NOR gamelit, yet are on the chart for absolutely no reason.

[Anonymous No.20443003]

>>20442718
>reposting newfag's personal OC rec list
And there goes any validity or legitimacy or integrity you ever had.
If you're not the owner of that list, lurk more.

[Anonymous No.20443012]

>>20442964
>you faggets are trying to shit up the thread when people are actually talking about books
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Your ass would throw a shitfit if I posted a SCI-FI AND FANTASY BOOK RECOMMENDATION list full of romance shifter garbage. You must have disappointed your parents when you slithered out of their abortion bucket.

[Anonymous No.20443041]

>>20443003
>newfag's personal OC
>here since day one of /lit/
>here since day one of /sffg/
>newfag
Just because I don't have an e/lit/ist attitude and actually read for enjoyment and entertainment instead of pseud literary merit, doesn't make me a newfag. You should give up on reading boring dusty tomes and get books you like.

[Anonymous No.20443049]

>>20442557
>Racist chinese person or stereotypical irish person.
jesus christ what the fuck. i don't remember anything that would hint at this while reading it normally.

[Anonymous No.20443051]

>>20443012
If you wanna read Furry and Vampire porn that women shlick to, that is up to you anon. No one is stopping you.

[Anonymous No.20443052]

>>20443041
I read more than you and I will never agree with your sociopathic philosophy of outright lying about genre and/or content of book.
>here since day one of /lit/
>here since day one of /sffg/
>here since before the fucking lit/sci split of old9k
Do you want to have a pissing war for the next 100 posts, nigger?

[Anonymous No.20443064]

>>20443052
The only persons that reads more than me on /lit/ is Sebastian and Brownbear, and I haven't seen those faggets in years.
I average 300 books a year, what about you, enlightened sama?

[11 of 20 (Current: Lord of Mys(...) No.20443074]

>>20443003
I've been posting these two since I started this jaunt and try to include any helpful infographics sent my way. You must've been extremely invested, shitposter. I'm flattered. At the very least, you raise a good point. I should make my own list at the end of this.

>>20443049
Xvim and the aranea are both depicted with racial Chinese accents in the audiobook, it's jarring. Some of it is literally 'You-a wish tuu undastand magical fundamentals-a but YUU AH TUU STUBBO'N!' Taiven, Raynie... really any female but Kiri are jarringly Irish, however. Do your best Irish accent right now, throw a 'DINNAE EVEN KNUUH' at the end and you've nailed it.

[Anonymous No.20443076]

>>20443052
>I will never agree with your sociopathic philosophy
Why are you philosofag christcucks sneaking back into /lit/? Keep your faggot asses in /his/. We got right of you for a reason.

[Anonymous No.20443087]

>>20443074
i'd stop listening to that garbage immediately. what in the world? how did the author greenlight this?

[Anonymous No.20443090]

>>20443074
That's... Weird. It's made a point that the nation is basically a hodge-podge of a bunch of other cultures because worldbuilding stuff, hence the weird variety of names, but at this point they should largely all be broadly similar accents. Xvim shouldn't sound any more Chinese than Zorian or Zach. Raynie being Irish... I can only assume they read 'red hair' and just went in. Why Taiven is Irish I've no idea. And the aranea... Well that's just even more incomprehensible.

[Anonymous No.20443094]

>>20443074
>shitposter because I call out a blatant liar
I wasn't the only one, newfag.

[Anonymous No.20443122]

>>20443094
>calling reviewfag a new fag
He's been here for years.
Please leave this general and don't return.

[Anonymous No.20443124]

>>20443122
You can be here for years and still be a newfag, newfag.

[Anonymous No.20443130]

>>20443124
And you are supposed to stay in your containment board, /pol/lie

[11 of 20 (Current: Lord of Mys(...) No.20443133]

>>20443122
Wouldn't bother with anyone who puts stock in tenure here, but I'm not the original reviewfag. Don't want that misconception. I only started this shit a few months ago.

[Anonymous No.20443139]

>>20442773
how did you find them?

[Anonymous No.20443161]

>>20441172
The Warhound and the World’s Pain is great and set during the 30 Years War. It’s sequel, The City in the Autumn Stars is set about 100 or 150 years later.

[Anonymous No.20443168]

>>20443139
asked for fantasy rec's in this thread a few days back

[Anonymous No.20443195]

>>20443130
>I'm not new!
>/pol/fag boogeyman
You don't even know what a polite sage is, or even /news/, dumb underage filth.

[Anonymous No.20443267]

>>20441980
Gay or black characters

[Anonymous No.20443300]

>>20442459
To elaborate, only when the person knows and is simply hiding it, not when they're the hidden child or something like that

[Anonymous No.20443314]

>>20443300
Yeah, the late-story reveal of "Character was actually royalty ALL ALONG and NOBODY KNEW" is dumb. Incognito royalty is fun though.

[Anonymous No.20443523]

>>20441980
Many redflags have been mentioned already, one that has not been mentioned is an otherwise typical mc (at least superficially, at first glance) but who has communication and behavioral difficulties and is afraid or unwilling to engage in social interaction.

This is just another way for liberal authors to push modern progressive agenda, by portraying and normalising such behaviour. Making it appear normal to have mentally ill people in the story.
People today, especially in the west have a ton issues due to modern unhealthy society and cultural trends, it causes them mental issues which soon develop into serious mental illnesses (like communication and behavioural problems displayed by many modern mcs). Instead of recognising and dealing with the root causes in a proper way, people instead go to money loving mental health professionals and get a perpetual prescription of various pshychiatric medication that only reduces their symptoms and does even more damage in the long term.

It would not have been appropriate for modern mc with such mental issues be written 20 or 30 years ago, but liberals worked hard to subvert readers expectations and understanding. Today many who see such character don't think twice about it.

If you belong to such group of readers then you have been affected by (often subtle) liberal brainwashing. Next time you see such character recognise his mental illnesses, reject his mc role in the story and reject the story itself. REJECT the conditioning done to your mind by the people who hate you and only mean you harm.

[Anonymous No.20443532]

>>20443523
What is it with you /pol/-tards bringing politics into everything.

[Anonymous No.20443542]

>>20443532
I am just stating the fact. I am an not an aurhor and never brought politics to anything. The real people bringing politics into lit are Hugo and Nebula finalists and others like them.

[Anonymous No.20443546]

Any recommendation for not-Abercrombie?
I spent hours trying to figure out what to follow up WoT with. Eventually landed on his series.
I got filtered hard by The Blade Itself. Can't say what it was exactly, the writing just felt like fanfic.
Got about 50pg in and quit when all I saw was edgelord torturer gets standard TTRPG quest line, and every character has some sort of internal dialogue moment along the lines of "why am I me?"
It just felt like someone whose entire worldview was based on every other fantasy book they'd ever read, and that was it.

With WoT, you had a writer who was a multi-tour Vietnam vet + nuclear engineer with a ton of hobbies. Tolkien was at the Somme. I got the sense Abercrombie never left his study.
What do I read next then?

[Anonymous No.20443548]

>>20443532
They got nothing else going for them in life so they have to bring politics to have some measure of worth, overall, you can just disregard their opinion since its not even worth reading.

[Anonymous No.20443549]

>>20443548
Why do posters like you always project so much?

[Anonymous No.20443560]

>>20443549
Why do you bring off-topic bullshit to these threads? Go back to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.20443566]

>>20443560
I didn't bring shit here anon. I wasn't that poster.

[Anonymous No.20443575]

>>20443523
you have issues. "liberals" are living rent free in your head 24/7.

[Anonymous No.20443608]

>>20443546
A song of ice and fire.

[Anonymous No.20443617]

>>20443575
No, they don't. By now we all know openly liberal and progressive literature, I simply recognise literature that has hidden liberal agenda behind it and try to inform others about it so they could recognise it too.

[Anonymous No.20443629]

>>20443617
You need to go back to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.20443631]

>>20443064
That imputes about a book a day. How do you read, by skimming SparkNotes?

[Anonymous No.20443664]

>>20443629
Why should I go (back) to /pol/ ? Because I said that modern authors bring liberal politics to literature? In that case those who point out romance and relationships in literature should go (back) to /adv/. Those who point out sex and porn in literature should go (back) to /b/.
Point out valid and existing science, well you better go (back) to /sci/

[Anonymous No.20443791]

>>20443664
You need to get off 4chan

[Anonymous No.20443827]

I read Elric of Melnibone. I don't know where to follow.

Should I read the 70s to 90s books or should I go straight to the books with the 60s novellas? How different are they?

[Anonymous No.20443831]

>>20443827
Read from chronological order.

[Anonymous No.20443832]

>>20443546
Jack Vance was a Merchant Marine in WW2
Gene Wolfe was in the Korean War.

[Anonymous No.20443837]

>>20443831
Won't that burn me out in reading early moorcock? There's 30 years gap between some books

[Anonymous No.20443844]

>>20443664
Stop responding to shitposters.

[Anonymous No.20443854]

>>20443837
Take small breaks between books.

[Anonymous No.20443857]

>>20443608
>Eligible for the draft during the Vietnam War, to which he objected, Martin applied for and obtained conscientious objector status; he instead did alternative service work for two years (1972–1974) as a VISTA volunteer, attached to the Cook County Legal Assistance Foundation.

[Anonymous No.20443937]

>>20443546
I'm seconding A song of ice and fire. But I also recommend Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn by Tad Williams

[Anonymous No.20443942]

>>20443857
based

[Anonymous No.20443971]

>>20443300
what are some books with cool knight ladies that actually have a personality

[Anonymous No.20443991]

>>20443971
Brienne of Tarth in A feast for crows.

[Anonymous No.20444002]

>>20443971
Outlaws of Gor

[Anonymous No.20444037]

>>20443971
Gideon the Ninth

[Anonymous No.20444057]

>>20444037
Been meaning it read that ever since an anon posted the opening sentence, seems like a fun read.

[Anonymous No.20444062]

>>20443942
Glen Cook also skipped out on the Vietnam War.
>I was in the navy. I spent part of that time attached to a Marine Force Recon outfit. Only practice combat. I left active duty a month before the guys headed out for Viet Nam.

[Anonymous No.20444072]

>>20443857
>>20444062
They seem smart, I’ll give their stories a try.

[Anonymous No.20444162]

Anyone read this series?
Synopsys sounds "interesting" but why is he a divorced ex marine, why is it always something like that in these books

[Anonymous No.20444175]

>>20444057
>In the myriadic year of our Lord — the ten thousandth year of the King Undying, the kindly Prince of Death! — Gideon Nav packed her sword, her shoes, and her dirty magazines, and she escaped from the House of the Ninth.
Seems fun, maybe I should give it a try.

[Anonymous No.20444177]

>>20444162
It's some kinda notgays thing where you have to establish that this protagonist isn't a complete loser just because the audience is so its ok to read this not like that self-insert loser wish fulfillment TRASH

[Anonymous No.20444180]

>>20444177
So it’s just a standard fantasy book then?

[Anonymous No.20444182]

>>20444177
Boring
I much much MUCH prefer it when the MC is a complete loser, if I'm indulging in this kind of trash I might as well go all in with the wish fulfillment

[Anonymous No.20444218]

>>20444182
Your life seems sad and boring.

[Anonymous No.20444223]

>>20444218
I mean, yeah, kinda, that's the point

[Anonymous No.20444245]

>>20443831
Ignore this retard. Later Elric stories are shit and boring compared to the earliest Elric stories which are the best. Read in publishing order. Moorcock originally never intended Elric to be read chronologically; that was just something that retard boomer came up with to make Elric seem like a full-length story when it isn't.

[Anonymous No.20444251]

>>20444245
>Later Elric stories are shit and boring
Were you filtered? How could you find them shit and boring?

[Anonymous No.20444283]

>>20444223
I don't get the point, do something with your life.

[Anonymous No.20444306]

>>20444283
It's the point of reading shitty litRPGs I meant
Nonetheless, I'm trying, stuff's just a bit complicated at the moment

[Anonymous No.20444313]

>>20444251
Because they were shit and boring.

[Anonymous No.20444319]

>>20444313
So, no argument then? Should have known from the start, but it's good to have conformation.

[Anonymous No.20444326]

Ok so I just finished pick related. I give it a lot of points for doing “show don’t tell” well, but honestly felt like this board hypes it up too much. Outside of the fight at baldanders castle and killing Typhon, it didn’t feel like Severian had much story presence outside of “oh he’s the conciliator who randomly has special powers and is treated like he’s special.”

There are times where his wit and skill saves him true. But that’s far eclipsed by the amount of times someone in power or his special abilities bails him out. This + all the random allegory’s and foreshadowing made the book less interesting to me at least.

[Anonymous No.20444348]

>>20444319
I'm sorry you're upset, but facts are facts.

[Anonymous No.20444361]

>>20444326
>but honestly felt like this board hypes it up too much.
What are you talking about? Only /sffg/ hypes it up, the rest of the board finds it mediocre at best.

[Anonymous No.20444373]

>>20444348
Your opinion isn’t fact

[Anonymous No.20444391]

>>20444361
Pretty much this. Whenever someone makes a thread about, it’s basically gets shits on.

[Anonymous No.20444411]

>>20444391
Wolfefags are delusional.

[Anonymous No.20444440]

>>20444411
People who hate Wolfe hate reading for fun

[Anonymous No.20444445]

>>20444440
Nah, it’s more people overhyping Wolfe than anything. I like him, but he’s at best, an above-average author and not a stellar writer.

[Anonymous No.20444466]

>>20444440
I like reading for fun and I hate Wolfe.

[Anonymous No.20444468]

>>20444326
When people shit on Wolfe it's always utterly unwitted takes like these. He wrote genreshit; it should be this hard to get it.

[Anonymous No.20444471]

>>20444468
*shouldn't

[Anonymous No.20444473]

>>20444445
Even Sanderson admits he's the best fantasy author

[Anonymous No.20444480]

>>20444473
No, that title goes to Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.20444491]

>>20444473
Not helping his case.

[Anonymous No.20444519]

Everyone knows Bakker is the Supreme Author
>>20444444

[Anonymous No.20444525]

>>20442718
>>20442608
Is there a western equivalent to Mushoku tensei? something isekai where the adventure and characters take precedence over plot?

[Anonymous No.20444530]

>>20444525
The Hobbit

[Anonymous No.20444539]

>>20444361
>>20444326
does this general also hype up bakker? reading prince of nothing#1 right now and so far finding it lackluster to all the hype i have read about it in here

[Anonymous No.20444540]

>>20444530
didnt realize hobbit was isekai

[Anonymous No.20444564]

>>20444326
>it didn’t feel like Severian had much story presence
He does miraculously heal himself and others, which gives him plot armor and a sort of chosen one role as the protagonist. That's fair.
People like him because he's a tall, handsome, very well spoken young man - who's also a torturer, which to most of the people he meets is like telling them he's a bogeyman. Walking around shirtless in a cloak that doesn't reflect light, sometimes with a mask, and an extremely impressive sword. It's not outside of belief that people are going to be impressed with him and take special interest in him.
I also think you need to read between the lines a bit. Severian doesn't talk about his motivations and intentions openly in his narrative, why do you think that is? It's because he's a violent pussy hound. He grew up learning how to torture people in a professional capacity, something he barely talks about, but you can imagine it would make him a fairly intimidating person. Agia and Cyriaca both mention how frightening he is.
And you're overlooking a lot of resourceful things he did on his own. He earns Vodalus's trust in the first chapter, an extremely important person. He freed himself when he was a captive on the elephant being brought in to meet Vodalus. He killed the salamander. He survives in the mountains for weeks on his own. He immediately figures out how to neutralize the explosive weapons the people of Lake Diuturna were given by Baldanders. He harvests the avern and fights with it without killing himself. He escapes from Thrax using the water reservoir and contrives to help Cyriaca escape as well. He's suspicious of Agia and doesn't get completely tricked by her. He befriends and gains the trust of many people because of the force of his personality and speech. He wins his way into a mercenary company by taming a destrier. He finds his way out of the pitch dark tunnels beneath the matachin tower without hurting himself. He successfully sneaks around the House Absolute when he's supposed to be imprisoned there. He gets away with assisting Thecla's suicide, something he expected to be killed for, because he has friends who love him - that's not luck. And so on.

[Anonymous No.20444587]

>>20444539
>does this general also hype up bakker?
No, it's just one retard.

[Anonymous No.20444608]

>>20444587
No, not really.

[Anonymous No.20444621]

>>20444539
Nah, like this >>20444587 guy said. It’s one retard that spams that shit and gets ban because of it.

[Anonymous No.20444645]

>>20444539
Bakker is one of the most beloved authors in this general. But any mention of him seems to trigger an irrational reaction from a single low IQ resident here.

[Anonymous No.20444650]

>>20444540
You wanted a story that put adventure and characters first.

[Anonymous No.20444668]

>>20444326
The book of the new sun is overhyped. I actually preferred Soldier of the Mist and even go as far and say it's the best book he ever wrote.

[Anonymous No.20444684]

>>20444473
You know all you’re doing his hurting Wolfe case, right. Nobody here likes Sanderson because he’s popular.

[Anonymous No.20444685]

>>20444684
>Nobody here likes Sanderson because he writes.
Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.20444686]

>>20444564
Look I’m not saying he doesn’t do impressive things. The problem is his progression and how much luck he has to allows him Survive. He lives through the flower duel because he’s the chosen one. He survives Agia’s mine trap because he’s the chosen one and lucked out that her archer missed him. He didn’t die from typhon’s ring because Little Severian touched it first. He survived the battle because the archon just happen to find him. The list goes on and on.

And there’s also the fact that at the beginning of book 4 who goes from a lonely vagrant to the ruler of the country, purely because the Archean likes him. Yeah you could argue it’s also due to the positive traits you mentioned, but there are plenty of handsome, smart, scary guys who don’t just inherit the throne for the heck of it. It’s mainly because he’s the chosen 1.

[Anonymous No.20444691]

>>20444685
>Quantity
>Quality

[Anonymous No.20444692]

>>20440701
Mistborn

[Anonymous No.20444694]

>>20444692
He said good.

[Anonymous No.20444699]

>>20444694
Yeah, that's why he said mistborn.

[Anonymous No.20444702]

>>20444691
Glad you agreed, anon.

[Anonymous No.20444724]

>>20444686
Well yeah you did, you said his luck eclipses his own skills but it doesn't. He wouldn't be in a position to be 'lucky' if he wasn't constantly doing things. He wouldn't have birthed the new sun if he wasn't who he is. He always had a chance to fail.
It's a variation on the chosen one trope sure, Wolfe is working within the framework of the fantasy genre but it's a lot more complicated and atypical compared to every other story you could name.
And a lot of the stuff you're listing is just nitpicking. He fought like hell in the avern duel and against the man apes. Agia's hired man missed him because he has a torturer's cloak and the wherewithal to use it. An excited child ran towards a gigantic golden ring, ahead of his father figure, neither of them imagining it would have a magical enchantment that would immediately blow him away in a gout of fire.
The throne of the autarchy is explained to be passed down arbitrarily to members of the common folk so it could be anyone. It wasn't because the autarch liked him, he had been told ahead of time who the next one will be.
I think you're holding the books to an impossible standard while ignoring all the things they do better than most novels - which have the same flaws as it does but worse.

[Anonymous No.20444727]

i learned today that Tolkien thought Dune was shit and thought about it, I guess it makes sense but I always would've imagined he could at least appreciate the worldbuilding aspect of it.

[Anonymous No.20444730]

>>20444727
The worldbuilding of Dune is shit.

[Anonymous No.20444734]

>>20444730
At least the narrative is good, unlike Lord of the Rings.

[Anonymous No.20444740]

>>20444730
This, even fucking star wars mogs Dune.

its literally just a first mover's advantage written by a retarded ameriburger boomer that took some psychedelics and spent the next 4 decades or so basedfacing about it and pretending like it was some spiritual awakening. If Dune was released for the first time today it wouldn't even be published, just like when it was actually written and had to be published by a fucking car manual company.

[Anonymous No.20444742]

Are there any modern western fantasy books with at least somewhat mature writing and not edgy teen shit with """"dark"""" stuff for the sake of the dark stuff and sex every few chapters because that's the only thing that the author can think about?

[Anonymous No.20444745]

>>20444742
A song of ice and fire.

[Anonymous No.20444748]

>>20444742
The Second Apocalypse.

[Anonymous No.20444749]

>>20444742
Malazan

[Anonymous No.20444750]

>>20444742
no, modern media has devolved into a grim platitude of "bad thing = intelligent".

The Sopranos and its consequences have been a disaster for western storytelling.

[Anonymous No.20444752]

>>20444699
You need to be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.20444760]

>>20444750
What does a tv show made in the late 1990's have to do with literature?

[Anonymous No.20444767]

>>20444650
>a story that put adventure and characters first.
which is an isekai, you forgot that part

[Anonymous No.20444775]

>>20444742
Malazan or a song of ice and fire.

[Anonymous No.20444792]

>>20444742
Bakker

[Anonymous No.20444796]

>>20444742
There’s black company, which is my favorite dark fantasy. Other than that, there’s the mentions of Malazan and A Song of Ice and Fire.

[Anonymous No.20444807]

>>20444796
>>20444792
>>20444775
>>20444748
>>20444745
>>20444749
Thank you. I guess I will give this Bakker guy a go since it‘s the most obscure one for me.

[Anonymous No.20444814]

>>20444792
what did Achamian mean when he said he loved Inrau?
kind of gave off gay vibes there

[Anonymous No.20444819]

>>20444807
Hope you enjoy edgy darkness for the sake of edgy darkness and gay sex every few chapters.

[Anonymous No.20444821]

>>20444814
You would know.

[Anonymous No.20444825]

>>20444819
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.20444984]

>>20444740
lmao

[Anonymous No.20445072]

Holy shit that was a good series. Thanks for recommending it. I feel like I need to reread it immediately. Is the second series as good?

[Anonymous No.20445092]

>>20445072
>Is the second series as good?
the last 2 books are better

[Anonymous No.20445102]

New thread
>>20445101

[Anonymous No.20445244]

>>20444742
the legend of drizzt homeland.

[Anonymous No.20445369]

>>20444162
I assume it's A) to make the protagonist seem cool as a stepping-off point and B) to make the protagonist justifiably capable in combat compared to a random schlub. It really is everywhere, though.