/clg/ Classical Languages General

[Anonymous No.20437181]

Classical fren edition
https://mega.nz/#F!9o4QEIIK!P3piz8Bfw-z7jgb7Q8NWDg

[Anonymous No.20437193]

llpsi is shit

[Anonymous No.20437206]

link previous as well next time

[Anonymous No.20437209]

>>20437206
no

[Anonymous No.20437210]

>>20437181
Is Χαῖρε in the front of a sentence a general greeting or a greeting only for royalty?

[Anonymous No.20437309]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d-YsD8zN88

[Anonymous No.20437369]

>>20437210
general

[Anonymous No.20437464]

llpsi is rough when you're doing the ranieri method and have to go through every chapter seven times

[Anonymous No.20438829]

>>20437464
Unnecessary, like I told the other guy, just combine it with a grammar primer. Don't be so hard headed. That guy studied Italian for like 7 years and lived IN ITALY. He doesn't know how to teach Latin from scratch without knowledge of a Romance or highly inflected language.

[Anonymous No.20438914]

>>20437193
fpbp

[Anonymous No.20438920]

>>20437309
the american pua entrepreneur phenotype

[Anonymous No.20438922]

watching a video of a guy with a cookie head in a videogame and it's making me want cookies so fucking bad

[Anonymous No.20438926]

My girlfriend is teaching me Latin and Greek. I find the former way easier

[Anonymous No.20438980]

First for ProtoIndoEuropeanz ~ 3;<

[Anonymous No.20438983]

>>20438829
here's the thing, i genuinely believe this is a good way to learn. before i started latin i learned japanese to fluency, mainly by reading a metric shitton of material with increasing difficulty while looking up words and creating sentence cards. i did no dedicated grammar study aside from skimming a summary at the very beginning (i did the same for latin), but there was no memorization of any grammatical concept involved. looking back i did employ re-reading, for one via the sentence card creation in anki, essentially re-reading a single sentence over and over in order to acquire the constructions and words it contains. and occasionally i also re-read material that i had read before, though usually over a month apart and not consistently.

i then felt like trying myself at latin, came across the ranieri vid and though that he may have a point and it might actually be a great idea to turn up the re-reading, to get more mileage out of introductory readings like llpsi and acquire as much of the grammatical concepts as efficiently as possible. i'm on chapter 20 now and while it is in fact tedious to re-read that much i feel that it's going exceptionally well and i'm having little trouble with new chapters even on the first read. though obviously, it's still too early to say if what i'm doing here will hold up in the face of real texts.

basically, i see it as bit of an experiment: can i learn latin (which is said to be the type of language where you *have* to go through rigourous grammar study and memorization) as i learned japanese, without opening a grammar textbook, however putting a larger focus on re-reading specially in the early stages?

[Anonymous No.20439314]

>>20438983
Yes, you can. In fact you'll find that latin cases have some correspondence with japanese particles. The verbal system is a little bit different from the English one, albeit almost identical to romance languages.
But it will probably more efficient to read a few rules like "accusative is used for direct objects and to indicate direction of movement" than to deduce it from hundreds of examples.
There's also the problem of selecting texts and its difficulty. The easier one is probably the Vulgata's New Testament.

[Anonymous No.20439364]

>>20439314
Not that anon but finding easier texts shouldn't be a big issue in Latin compared to literal-who languages with a tiny corpus. You can always go through some medieval stuff, a lot of which tends to be quite concise, before jumping into the classical authors.

[Anonymous No.20439397]

japanese also has the occasional similarity with latin in terms of vocab though i guess they could mostly be chalked up to coincidence
one i remember of the top of my head is hiems --> winter in latin
hieru --> to feel cold, freeze in japanese

[Anonymous No.20439430]

>>20439397
iirc 'ne' denotes a question in both languages, though its location in the sentence is different

[Anonymous No.20439522]

Will I use my adult brain and learn a language by studying its facets? No. I will try to learn it like a child who takes 12 years to become entirely fluent.

[Anonymous No.20439546]

>>20439522
i'll use my adult brain to learn it like a child but i'll do it much faster because i have an adult brain

[Anonymous No.20439615]

>>20439546
>>20439546
>learn like a child
Ahh yes, I remember the good old days when I was 2 and read myself English stories without having any irl conversations as if I was studying a dead language like Latin.

[Anonymous No.20439706]

What did people in the middle ages and during early modernity to learn Latin?

[Anonymous No.20439722]

>>20439706
Your family would being teaching you Latin at a young age, then you would go to study grammar, logic, & rhetoric formally around 8-12ish. If you were learning at a monastery, then you would basically learn through the scriptorium method of basically copying texts by hand and reading out loud as you did so.

Tutorial on how to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo7_5CGcKek

[Anonymous No.20439769]

>>20439615
explain why the conversations are a necessary factor here when you don't care about producing the language yourself or even understanding the spoken language

[Anonymous No.20439778]

>>20439769
I never said you needed to have Latin conversations.

I was saying the "like a kid" comparison is a shit example because kids live 24/7 with auditory input in a language. Reading a book 15 minutes a day is not "learning like a kid". I don't even oppose the reading method, but ffs stop comparing this to primary language acquisition by children.

That's all I was saying, don't read into my post any further than that.

[Anonymous No.20439788]

>>20439778
Nobody was even talking about "learning like a child" until this post >>20439522 though which was obviously in bad faith so it's kind of a moot point.

[Anonymous No.20439796]

>>20439788
>Nobody was even talking about "learning like a child" until this post
No shit, I was replying to someone who replied to him. If you thought it was moot, then don't jump in.

[Anonymous No.20439805]

>>20439796
why don't you respond to the original post that brought it up instead responding to a reply making it look like you're the original poster lol

[Anonymous No.20439813]

>>20439805
Because I don't have any beef with that guy. I replied to what I felt needed to be addressed. If you disagree, then I guy disagree with my decision and move on with your fucking life.

[Anonymous No.20439816]

>>20439813
*i guess

[Anonymous No.20440227]

One of the things that inputfags tend to ignore is that mothers usually correct their children hundreds of times before children have acquired specific rules, and that children will almost always be taught grammar and spelling rules consciously at school during their first few years of writing, but that even then, some people might still make mistakes that nobody else will ever point out to them.

[Anonymous No.20440266]

>>20440227
it's not ignored it's irrelevant
even single-mom kids whose parent doesnt give a fuck and who dont receive this treatment or school drop outs end up fluent in their language, even though they might suck at writing a grammatically correct text

[Anonymous No.20440273]

>>20439522
it took you until12 to be fluent in your first language? did you have a developmental disorder? the normal age is around 5

[Anonymous No.20440279]

>>20440227
mute children acquire language while never speaking. error correction is pointless.

[Anonymous No.20440309]

There's one easy way to end this futile discussion: proving that you actually were able to acquire fluency in a classical language following your method. Prove it by writing your argument in perfect Latin. Provide a translation for beginners if you want. Otherwise shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.20440315]

>>20439778
>kids live 24/7 with auditory input in a language
a child's input is also largely incomprehensible because they lack basic knowledge about the world. sitting an adult down in front of a spanish tv station or whatever would result in a vastly greater density of comprehensible input than a small child because for the adult it would be familiar information delivered in an unfamiliar language and for the child both the language and the content would be unfamiliar.

[Anonymous No.20440326]

>>20440309
i'm already proving the correctness of the input method with every single post i make because i learned english from grand theft auto

[Anonymous No.20440329]

>>20440309
Still waiting for this.

Everyone says "I'm doing the Ranieri method!" Nobody ever says, "I'm reading Horace after I did the Ranieri way a year ago" Everyone is suspiciously always between chapter s 1 and 20 of Orberg. No one here finishes that book and no one got fluent doing Bald Man strategy.

[Anonymous No.20440338]

>>20440326
I'm getting tired if ESL fags comparing using videogames and YouTube all day long from a young age in an Anglo-centric internet to using a fucking Latin textbook 20 minutes a day.

Find a new comparison.

[Anonymous No.20440361]

>>20440326
I learned English in a similar fashion but I'm not sure how much of that applies to classical languages, since there's no GTA in Latin yet.
I just want to make sure I follow sensible advice. I will simply ignore any argument without proof.

[Anonymous No.20440374]

>>20440329
This. I won't be able to say if someone is actually fluent at latin because I am not, but I may be able to filter people who has even less knowledge than me.

[Anonymous No.20440375]

>>20440338
i don't care if you're "tired" of it, it's true. latin is a normal language and you learn it the same way as any other language. if you think reading in english teaches you english but that reading latin does not teach you latin then you're the one that has to explain where that difference would come from. is latin a secret alien code from space?

[Anonymous No.20440381]

>>20440338
Also, I wonder how many of those ESLs are actually able to read literally works, which is the main use of Latin.
t. ESL

[Anonymous No.20440407]

>>20440375
you learn it the same way as any other language
>its a normal language
Holy shit really! Thanks for arguing against a position that nobody holds. No shit it's a normal language.

No actually you don't learn hieroglyphics the same way you learn Arabic and you don't learn Old Norse the same way you learn Swedish. That doesn't mean ancient languages are not "normal" it just means they are dead, have no native speakers, and are limited to high level literary content. There is no Dora the Explorer in Latin, only Cicero.
see>>20440381

[Anonymous No.20440442]

>>20440375
Concordo cum te, sed postulo demonstrationem verborum tuorum.
By my mistakes you will be able to infer how seriously you can take my words.

[Anonymous No.20440453]

>>20440329
i don't know what the "ranieri method" is but i've finished the first volume of llpsi a while ago and i'm reading real texts now. random parts of the vulgate, amphitryo etc. i still don't understand half of what i read but when i go back to what i read a month ago i understand more, so there's clear progress. i ignore grammar explanations. i believe i started learning in january.

there's obviously a ton of work left to do but in the end it works exactly the same as the other languages i've learned, it's just a question of putting the hours in. you read and you get better at reading, because what else would happen?

on the other hand, i find the notion that autismal grammar analysis will magically turn into fluency if you just intensify the autism enough hard to believe. reading is a different activity than grammatical analysis. why would your brain get better at X when you're training it to do Y? does that actually happen to anyone?

[Anonymous No.20440455]

>prove that the method works by writing your argument in perfect latin
this is hilarious considering all the ESLs on this board who are clearly fluent in English but still make retarded mistakes like this guy >>20440374
just because you can read a language and understand it does not automatically mean you can also produce a flawless text in said language, it's a separate skill you have to practice, though a lot of people who use the input method likely don't even give a fuck because all they wamt to be able to do is read ancient/medieval texts in the original language

[Anonymous No.20440474]

>>20440453
>reading is a different activity than grammatical analysis.
exactly
you can also tell this is the case when you read around latin forums and find people talking about so-called "sight-reading" which apparently means reading without doing autistic analysis (so, what normal people simply call "reading")
it's a completely separate thing from their default mode of understanding a text in terms of grammar and which they consciously have to focus on in order to even achieve

[Anonymous No.20440521]

>>20440407
>it just means they are dead, have no native speakers, and are limited to high level literary content. There is no Dora the Explorer in Latin, only Cicero.
of course there is, it's called llpsi, the book we're talking about here. "roma in italia est" is not high level literary content. there's fucking donald duck comics in latin.

yeah, it's annoying that i can't switch youtube to latin and watch random videos all day, but there's still a large amount of beginner and intermediate material. you read the easy things, then the intermediate things, then the hard things, like you would if it was any other language.

you keep mentioning the lack of youtube and cartoons like it would invalidate input learning but the process is exactly the same except happening with a smaller pool of material. unlike the esl that's already swimming in english you'll have to actively construct a ladder of texts for yourself, but then it's just reading.

i still don't understand where you expect this process to fail. it's working for me so far.

[Anonymous No.20440529]

>>20440453
>autismal grammar analysis will magically turn into fluency if you just intensify the autism enough hard to believe
Again arguing against a position that literally nobody holds. You don't even know the opposing arguments of the people you apparently oppose. Sad.

[Anonymous No.20440538]

>>20440521
Reading the vulgate is hardly something to brag about. You could read the Vulgate after any grammar primer. How are the results any different?

[Anonymous No.20440544]

>>20440455
What mistake did I make? Fluent at instead of fluent in? People has instead of people have?
Unironically thanks for pointing it out.
I wouldn't dare to give any advice on learning English, btw, since I clearly have not enough knowledge about it.

[Anonymous No.20440553]

>>20440453
People reveal how much of a brainlet they are when they refer to basic grammatical explanations as "autistic". We get it, you are afraid of grammar.

This is like when the dumb kid in class calls the boy who reads a "gay nerd". Just because you can't do it, doesn't make it bad.

[Anonymous No.20440563]

>>20440544
*don't have

[Anonymous No.20440576]

>>20440553
likewise just because you can do it doesn't mean it's useful or worth the effort of learning it for the purpose of reaching your goals in the language
not everyone wants to read cicero and ponder about the deeper meaning behind his use of the ablative in line 349

[Anonymous No.20440586]

>>20440576
>cicero and ponder about the deeper meaning behind his use of the ablative in line 349
Then go learn Japanese so you can watch the cartoons without the subtitles instead kiddo

[Anonymous No.20440589]

>>20440586
thanks i'll take that as your concession

[Anonymous No.20440594]

>>20440529
i'm not referring referring to anybody in the thread specifically with that comment but that's absolutely a real position i've seen argued in these threads. from the "dowling method" blog post, frequently reposted here:

>Read slowly, and make sure that you understand the grammatical function of every word. This is absolutely essential. (...) You've got to ask yourself what the case of every noun is as you read -- and ask yourself why it's in that case -- and the tense and mood of every verb, and make sure you understand the prepositions, the adjectives and the adverbs. (...) your Latin reading ability will increase by leaps and bounds.

now, to me this sounds pretty much insane - that you need to be naming cases to learn to read. i don't know about anyone else but in none of the languages i can read in am i doing anything like it as i read, or have ever done so. it's like if you told me i need to be jumping rope to learn to sing; it's a non-sequitor.

if people really think this will help them it's their own business i guess but i think you're all being sent on a wild goose chase.

[Anonymous No.20440601]

>>20440589
You haven't been arguing against any actual positions from the opposing side and you've been told that at least 3 times already. No one says autistically analyzing grammar makes you fluent. You've mever even tried a grammar primer, people have to explain to you what it is so you can figure out ehy you oppose it before you make an exuse not to read one.

[Anonymous No.20440618]

>>20440601
>No one says autistically analyzing grammar makes you fluent.
>>20440594

[Anonymous No.20440629]

>>20440594
Im not sure why you replied to me, I'm not into bald man method, I'm arguing against it.

He is saying people who oppose Downling shit want to analyze grammar only. I'm pushing back against this parody of how people actually study Latin.

[Anonymous No.20440635]

>>20440601
have you considered actually expressing a coherent position for people to respond to, instead of just going "u don't even like get it!" over and over again? also you're conflating like 2 or 3 posters together

[Anonymous No.20440636]

>>20440618
Ahh yes the people I've been arguing against. What a pathetic self own. Im arguing AGAINST downling method where the quote was taken

[Anonymous No.20440653]

>>20440635
Hi. Let me put this so that a redditor can understand it.

Your method of avoiding explicit grammar in English/native language is retarded, because you extended the amount of time it takes to learn a concept which can be explained in 2 sentences in a grammar primer by instead forcing yourself to read a repetitive chapter of Latin text 112 times.

I hope this clear things up Mr. Monke, but you have never had any interest in addressing this basic point anyways so goodnight.

[Anonymous No.20440668]

>>20440563
Thanks fren

[Anonymous No.20440669]

looks like Latin shitflinging is back on the menu boys!!

[Anonymous No.20440684]

Can I suggest a good reason to stop arguing with the LLPSI guy: it's the same guy who would have these arguments 1-3 years ago. I'm sure he'll deny this but it's obvious. This is roughly the time it would take to develop perfect Latin skill, which he doesn't have. There, quod erat demonstrandum. (Don't explain the grammar of this sentence by saying "gerundive!" Just understand it INTUITIVELY!)

I don't want to be too much of a dick here but for further proof >>20440594
>it's a non-sequitor.
Sequor is a Latin 101 verb. Nobody with decent Latin would say "non sequitor." It would be like saying "per say" like some laypeople accidentally do, when you know both what per means and what se means.

It reminds me of this forum I used to browse where a guy had this sui generis philosophy that giving "too much" antibiotics to his animals was harming them, so you should only give them the antibiotics for a few days until the symptoms stopped. People would explain to this guy why this is stupid and why every doctor insists you finish your antibiotics course when prescribed, they would plead with him that he's going to get animals killed by giving this advice, and he would ignore them all and say the same shit again in the next thread.

[Anonymous No.20440697]

>>20440653
>because you extended the amount of time it takes to learn a concept wh
so you admit it still works and simply claim it takes longer

[Anonymous No.20440707]

>>20440684
The problem is that new people come to these threads looking for advice and places like Discord, YouTube, and Reddit are already one sided exho chambers. If you don't counter these guys, noobs get the impression that they are onto something just based on the blind confidence with which they say shit like "you're not really learning the language" and "I'm learning the way a child does".

You can give them an award for the marketing strategy, this actually lures noobs in unfortunately.

I've got some real good advice about learning other languages on here and to see clueless fanboys giving bad advice to people who have never learned a language before is so infuriating because a lot of these people will buy this book and then quit. But they won't just quit the book, they will quit Latin, and maybe even quit languages completely. I don't want anyone quitting.

>>20440697
>so you admit it still works and simply claim it takes longer
Yes, you can build a house out of popsicle sticks and insulate it sith cotton candy.

[Anonymous No.20440727]

>>20440653
so, wait, your position is that when you've looked at a two sentence description in a primer you have now "learned a concept" in some useful way? so, like, if you look at the whole primer cover to cover you will be fluent? because that's not how it works. have you ever learned any language?

the actual choice here is not "look at a grammar primer" or "read a lot of latin", it's "look at a grammar primer and then read a lot of latin" or "just read a lot of latin." if you think you're going to acquire fluency by looking at grammar rules real hard then you're going to be disappointed.

[Anonymous No.20440734]

>>20440727
>so, like, if you look at the whole primer cover to cover you will be fluent?
Why does he keep saying this over and over?

[Anonymous No.20440739]

>>20440727
> if you think you're going to acquire fluency by looking at grammar rules real hard then you're going to be disappointed.
I dont. Nobody does. You are again arguing against a position that is not mine, has never been mine, will never be mine. I think I've told you 5 or 6 times now.

[Anonymous No.20440743]

>>20440734
well, because you won't give me anything else. WHERE does fluency come from, in you opinion? you've looked at the primer and, what, are you fluent? obviously not. so what do you do to be fluent? what sits between the primer and fluency?

(spolier: it's reading for 10000 hours, which is what i'm arguing for)

[Anonymous No.20440751]

>>20440707
That's why it bothers me too, and I can tell the other guy has a petty enjoyment of annoying people who are concerned about it. If it were something people could easily say "lol fuck off retard" about he wouldn't bother. He knows a minority of people are going to try to set the record straight. But still, there has got to be a more efficient way to say lol fuck off resident LLPSI retard.

Case in point, while I was typing this the same thing happened again. He's moving the goalposts and misrepresenting other people's positions on purpose. He probably actually likes LLPSI but justifies this as epic trolling.

[Anonymous No.20440759]

>>20440739
then WHAT IS THE POSITION. the last time i asked i got the thing about how you just need to look at the primer.

where is the fluency coming from if not the primer

what is the primer for if it doesn't produce fluency

please actually start speaking instead of endlessly complaining about being misunderstood

[Anonymous No.20440768]

>>20440743
>what sits between the primer and fluency?
A lot of reading real Latin, which will require frequently consulting a grammar, as high level Latin is an artificial language used by guys who devoted their entire lives to writing show-off epistles in virtuous style or trying to imitate the virtuosity of past legends who did this.

>>20440759
>where is the fluency coming from if not the primer
From reading practice, which requires knowing what's going on, which requires knowing the grammar
>what is the primer for if it doesn't produce fluency
Teaching you enough vocabulary and grammar that you can do real reading practice and consult a grammar for very difficult or rare constructions (like the Hellenizing genitive absolute) instead

[Anonymous No.20440781]

>>20440751
i don't normally post in these threads at all and i've literally done nothing in this one but write my own honest opinions. please stop talking about me in the third person like a cunt.

[Anonymous No.20440791]

>>20440759
Not the same anon but I suppose that the position is something like "knowing what an accusative and a direct object are will make your learning easier and faster".

[Anonymous No.20440801]

>>20440768
see, now that you've actually said something. this is the basis of your whole approach:

>reading practice... which requires knowing the grammar

where are you getting the idea that reading requires knowing the grammar ahead of time? it contradicts all my experience, and in a way the experience of the entire planet. could you name english tenses when you were learning to read as a child?

[Anonymous No.20440806]

>>20440791
and my response to this would be "if the thing you're doing involves thinking about direct objects and accusatives then it is not READING, but something else, and if you're learning something else when you want to be learning reading then it might be time to go back and rethink it all"

[Anonymous No.20440817]

>>20440759
Primer gears you up to read with an understanding of the syntax and idiom of the texts you will read, along with providing a base vocabulary and an understanding of inflection forms - as opposed to jumping into reading and playing a guessing game and acting like it's somehow more profound or primal.

>where are you getting the idea that reading requires knowing the grammar ahead of time?
This is not about requirements, it's about making the learning process as efficient as possible.

>could you name english tenses when you were learning to read as a child?
Again conflating first language acquisition with second language acquisition of a language that only exists in pretentious literature of elites. If you want to pretend that the English verb system is even remotely comparable to Latin or Greek, then you are more than welcome to die on that hill. And btw, yes I could ESL boy.

[Anonymous No.20440834]

>>20440817
If it wasn't obvious he was doing what I said before (shifting the goalposts indefinitely) it must be obvious from the two posts above yours. He is trolling. He'll do it until the thread 404's. We just need to get decent at correcting his deliberate bad advice efficiently, so newcomers aren't misled, and otherwise ignore him as the thread retard.

[Anonymous No.20440845]

>>20440806
To me accusative = direct object is immediate because my language has specific pronouns for direct objects. I can't even imagine how much time would have taken and how confusing would have been to try to deduce the function of each case by just reading. A grammatical explanation makes things easier and faster to learn, after seeing the construction a couple times it becomes second nature.
For example, learning what cum + subjunctive means through an explanation is faster than deducing it.
Btw the "real vs fake reading" or "reading vs translating" question is absurd. If you understand a text and can do it fast you're reading.
t. ESL

[Anonymous No.20440882]

>>20440817
Don't know about the person you're replying to, but for me English is a foreign language and I did learn it mostly through media consumption in my childhood. I remember when we were taught the different tenses in school and the textbook had some retarded abstract explanations for how to use them which was completely useless. Choosing whether to say "I had" or "I have had" (or "I had had" etc.) in a particular sentence WAS a guessing game for most of the students after going through the formal grammar teaching. I pretty much just said both forms of the sentence in my head and decided which one sounded correct, and was right most of the time. Because at that point I've read enough English sentences outside the classroom to recognize it intuitively.

To your point about Latin existing only in pretentious literature of elites, it is exactly the reason why I want there to be more simple literature for learners, like llpsi, and there is indeed a lot of modern books translated into Latin exactly for that purpose, though unfortunately it's mostly children books.

[Anonymous No.20440907]

>>20440817
>it's about making the learning process as efficient as possible.
my concern is that you're so invested in being "efficient" that you haven't noticed that you're doing the wrong thing entirely. so now we have these elaborate learning approaches that are very efficient at getting it wrong.

you think it's an insult, but a "guessing game" is precisely what language learning is. that's when the learning is taking place, when you are forced to make a "guess", and everything else is fluff. the part where a textbook tells you what the things are called is fluff, and you've fetishized this fluff and built entire systems of efficient fluff inundation the result of which is the commonplace failure of second language acquisition, even for "normal" languages, even despite it being one of the most natural functions of the brain.

the fact is even people who are otherwise clever and capable, that is academically trained classicists, follow this procedure and fail. they go through their whole career working with latin and never becoming fluent. doesn't this give you pause at all?

>>20440845
>I can't even imagine how much time would have taken and how confusing would have been to try to deduce the function of each case by just reading.
the mistake you're making is that that learning to read would need to involve the reconstruction of the grammar primer (isolating cases etc). in reality, you don't think about cases at all: you get the point of the sentence, or you don't. cases were invented for the needs of linguists and there is no reason to expect your brain to comprehend language in the same way that linguists use to intellectually catalogue it.

[Anonymous No.20440947]

>>20440882
>it is exactly the reason why I want there to be more simple literature for learners
There is, there are centuries worth of graded readers, glossed readers with specially selected easy Latin, etc. One of the most detrimental things you can do is to stick with the stupid textbook forever. The leap from the textbook into a Bristol Caesar edition or whatever your preferred babby's first Latin is will always be harsh, but that's why those primers and selections exist. There's plenty to work with at this point. Staying in constructed text training wheels mode forever is a good way to stagnate.

The guy who doesn't know that third person singular active indicative passives and deponents don't conjugate as "-tor" doesn't know Latin at all. That's beyond Latin 101, that's shit you learn in your first few weeks.

[Anonymous No.20440952]

>>20440947
>third person singular active indicative
Meant present, not active.

[Anonymous No.20440956]

>>20440907
>in reality, you don't think about cases at all: you get the point of the sentence, or you don't
Pater tuus matrem tuam pedicat
Patrem tuum mater tua pedicat

[Anonymous No.20440958]

>>20440727
Fluency comes from actively having to make use of a language constantly, not just from having a bunch of white noise come before you for 10k hours all day long ev'ryday like some East African scammer claimed 18 years ago. People back in the Middle Ages and Early Modern era had hundreds of books available to them in Latin, went to schools where literally everything had to be taught in Latin, made their thesis defense in Latin, had to listen to mass at their local church in Latin, and had to defend themselves in court in Latin. They had perfectly good reasons to learn those languages and to spend much of their lives speaking and writing in Latin (maybe not so much Greek, unless they were in the Byzantine Empire or in one of those Greek ethnic communities in Egypt or Southern Italy).
Yes, you can learn any language, either living or dead, but you're most likely not gonna become a fluent speaker of it if you don't have a strong, active community of people whom you can speak it with unless you create a monolingual tulpa who speaks just like one of one of those classical writers, but that might come at a strong risk even then. No need to look up cringe compilations of people who spent more than 10k hours listening to audio in [insert any language] and could only speak by literally translating a few phrases from their native language over to the language that they learned.

[Anonymous No.20440962]

>>20437181
>https://mega.nz/#F!9o4QEIIK!P3piz8Bfw-z7jgb7Q8NWDg
can someone post this, but as a torrent? i fucking hate mega

[Anonymous No.20441048]

Justo finished the Evangelium secundus Matthaeum. Why nobody told me that the bible could be so kino?

[Anonymous No.20441085]

>>20440956
see, i understand both sentences, i get right away that the second one is reversed, but i couldn't tell you what the rules are for the cases or whatever. it just makes sense to me because i've seen it a bunch. the skill of reading is independent from knowledge of linguistic trivia.

[Anonymous No.20441095]

this whole discussion is pointless. You can use llpsi as an excellent graded reader while looking up grammatical concepts in a grammar book or a video. Never mind that Ørberg himself makes you spell out the grammatical concepts and how they are formed in the Exercitia. LLPSI is not necessarily better than other books because it relies on different principles of teaching, but also because it is just extremely well thought out in its pace of progression, the way it introduces and repeats new vocabulary and grammar.

[Anonymous No.20441104]

>>20441085
Someone post a real translating challenge to see if he's actually right.

[Anonymous No.20441126]

>>20441085
How much time did you spend inputting before being able to read more complex authors? What did you read and in what order to achieve fluency?

[Anonymous No.20441250]

Just found a translated version of Shakespeare's Julius Cæsar.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46768/46768-h/46768-h.htm

[Anonymous No.20441255]

>>20441250
How did Caesar's final words get translated?

[Anonymous No.20441258]

>>20441255
>you too nigga?

[Anonymous No.20441270]

>>20441255
They were left untranslated

[Anonymous No.20441278]

>>20441255
Et tu, Brute! Tum cadat Cæsar.

[Anonymous No.20441297]

>>20437181
Previous Thread:
>>20403579

[Anonymous No.20441626]

>>20441255
>lol —Caesar dixit— lmao

[Anonymous No.20442106]

>previous thread goes on normally and reaches bump limit
>new thread
>sudden explosion of autism about the usual stuff
>autism intensifies
>autism keeps going
>suddenly the thread dies

[Anonymous No.20442497]

>>20441085
>but i couldn't tell you what the rules are for the cases or whatever.
You're not fluent in Latin, stop giving bad advice to new learners.

[Anonymous No.20442532]

Salve
Id nox est et vinum gaudens me fecit
Amo vos

[Anonymous No.20442579]

>>20442532
>vinum gaudens me fecit
I don't like the way you said this. Why not: vinum me delectat? (or) mihi placet?

Isn't gaudens rejoicing?

[Anonymous No.20442633]

>>20442579
My latin may be subpar because i was not joking. I am drunk.
But yeah you are right.
its the present active participle of gaudeo

[Anonymous No.20442673]

>>20442633
Latinum tuum ebrium melius est quam Latinum plurimi.

[Anonymous No.20442771]

>>20442633
tamen laudo te quia sententia tua
de sententia mea, multae nubes super me sunt sed nescio nominem aquae quae cadere expecto

[Anonymous No.20442850]

>>20442771
imber veniet?

[Anonymous No.20442852]

>>20442673
>Latinum tuum ebrium melius est quam Latinum plurimi.
Gratias ago sed non accipio te
Latina mea paupera est. Solum anno uno discebat. Scio res multas disciturus esse.
>>20442771
>multae nubes super me sunt sed nescio nominem aquae quae cadere expecto
Non intellego.
Tu ex locum altum cades? Aenigmata tuorum me confundunt.

[Anonymous No.20442865]

>>20442852
>discebat
Discebam

[Anonymous No.20442890]

>>20442771
>>20442852
Aqua quae cadent in tempestatibus est "pluvia" vel "imber"

[Anonymous No.20443148]

>>20442532
>Id nox est
Shouldn't it be simply "nox est"? Otherwise it would mean that something (id) is night, no?
>>20442579
I read it like "wine made me happy", is this correct/possible?
>>20442771
>de sententia mea, multae nubes super me sunt sed nescio nominem aquae quae cadere expecto
Lepida ambiguitas. Sententia successionem verborum significat, sed quoque iudicium vel verba dicta iudice. Sententia vel damnatio tua ergo esset non posse dire nominem fati incumbentis.

[Anonymous No.20443154]

>>20443148
Nox is feminine so even if you use a pronoun it'd be ea not id.

[Anonymous No.20443158]

>>20442532
>Id nox est
Shouldn't it be simply "nox est"? Otherwise it would mean that something (id) is night, no?
>>20442579
I read it like "wine made me happy", is this correct/possible?
>>20442771
>de sententia mea, multae nubes super me sunt sed nescio nominem aquae quae cadere expecto
Lepida ambiguitas. Sententia successionem verborum significat, sed quoque iudicium vel verba dicta iudice. Sententia vel damnatio tua ergo esset non posse dire nominem fati incumbentis aut indicare eum.

[Anonymous No.20443173]

>>20443154
If you wanted to say "now it's night" why would you use a pronoun?
>Nox est - now is night
>Id nox est - something, that thing, is the night, it doesn't need to concord, like tempus sine luce nox est
Just asking, not saying I'm right.

[Anonymous No.20443889]

>>20443173
>Id est nox
if you insist using id

[Anonymous No.20443973]

Interim cotidie Caesar Haeduos frumentum, quod essent publice polliciti, flagitare.

why is an infinitive used in this sentence

[Anonymous No.20443985]

>>20443973
nvm I found out (historical infinitive):
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=AG%20463&lang=original

[Anonymous No.20444385]

This might be wishful thinking, but do you think a language like Latin could be "resurrected" and see real world usage outside of religion again, like Hebrew/Ivrit?

[Anonymous No.20444393]

>>20444385
Once we get the Fourth Reich up and running, anything will be possible.

[Anonymous No.20444394]

>>20444385
There needs to be a reason for it to be used, beyond just reading classics

I'm lost for ideas for what those reasons could be

[Anonymous No.20444401]

>>20444394
to filter retards

[Anonymous No.20444403]

>>20444394
There doesn't need to be a reason for anything.
We could go we wuz romans anyway. No reason not to, considering almost every democratic government already uses heavy handed references to the SPQR.

[Anonymous No.20444433]

Any Ancient Greek bros used any of these college level playlists to learn ancient greek?
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv6lcWTkqoQgLuiUXHWE_b96RmvR4CIw7
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq5ea-jR9u2puDaLoRL-nBkpwrkURbLjT

If I go through either playlist right to the end, I'd have covered two semesters of a college-level Introduction to Ancient Greek course. The former uses the textbook Greek: An Intensive Course, which I've seen recommended here before. The latter uses Homeric Greek--A Book for Beginners and Smyth's Greek Grammar. Seems like a good deal to me. If INPOOT is the worst method of learning AG, then surely these playlists would be ideal?

[Anonymous No.20444443]

>>20444433
these look awesome, I found Pharr too hard to use as a solo learner but with this I could do it

[Anonymous No.20444450]

>>20444403
That would classify as a reason

If we suddenly felt we needed a stronger connection to the romans, just like how the jews felt they needed a stronger connection to the ancient hebrews, that would be a reason for people to learn latin. But I don't see it happening, infact I see in the future some people reaching for that, which will then cause the media to go rabid and declare latin to be racist and white supremecist, and then latin will become even more dead

[Anonymous No.20444545]

>>20444401
>>20444403
I think he means for more than 300 people to do it.

[Anonymous No.20444557]

>>20444433
What is the zoomer obsession with Youtube videos for everything? people have been learning for hundreds of years with books, why do you need an hours-long video series when you could read the book in a fraction of the time? You have to read the book anyways, why bother with Youtube? The material is covered in such a plodding way that it is a waste of time to watch.

[Anonymous No.20444640]

Both of my Latin idols are bald men named Luke.

[Anonymous No.20444656]

>>20444640
I've had enough

[Anonymous No.20444678]

I'm gonna fucking do it bros

[Anonymous No.20444739]

>>20444557
Normally I'd agree with you anon, but these are literally college level professors teaching Ancient Greek, not some random bald guy on jewtube

[Anonymous No.20444753]

OOOoh yeah I'm feeling it now mr ranieri

Roooommmaaaa in Itaaliaaaaaaaaaa EST

[Anonymous No.20444863]

I haven't done any Latin in the past 2.5 weeks

[Anonymous No.20444912]

>>20443889
That what the original poster wrote. Ea nox est would mean this is the night, or is this night (like in "this is night when it happened")

[Anonymous No.20444927]

>>20443889 #
That what the original poster wrote. Ea nox est would mean this/she is the night, or it's this night (like in "this is night when it happened")

[Anonymous No.20444971]

Si tentarem scribere latine, corrigar? Scribere et loqui bonum modo esse puto ad consolidandum quod ante, legens, didici.

[Anonymous No.20444977]

>>20444927
Ea doesn't always mean she, it can mean it if the thing you are referring to is a feminine noun.

>Ovis est parvus.
>Ea ea est.

[Anonymous No.20444980]

>>20444678
>300 series
Interesting

[Anonymous No.20444982]

Si tentarem scribere latine, corrigar? Scribere et loqui bonus modus esse puto ad consolidandum quod ante, legens, didici.

[Anonymous No.20444983]

>>20444977
*ea mea est

[Anonymous No.20444992]

>>20441278
They should have put it in Greek. There's scholarship that indicates Caesar and Brutus spoke Greek to each other regularly. Ignoring that, it would simply be fun.

[Anonymous No.20444993]

Puer cum feminina verpa non puella est.

[Anonymous No.20445052]

>>20444977
Ovis est parva

[Anonymous No.20445098]

>>20444982
>corrigar
Volebam dicere, suntne nonnulli Anoni volentes corrigere errores alienos?

[Anonymous No.20445103]

>>20444385
>>20444394
>>20444450
>If we suddenly felt we needed a stronger connection to the romans

As a European, I feel that we need a stronger connection, not necessarily to the Romans, but to each other. Something to make a "European identity" an actual thing. This is something that the EU has never managed to do in any meaningful way. If you are, say, born in Germany, then a person from Italy or from Slovakia is as much a foreigner to you as someone from Korea. The only thing that's different is that it's easier to trade goods with other European countries, but the majority of people doesn't care about that.

I hope one day we collectively realise how retarded it is that a tourist from Poland speaks to a local in Spain... in the language of Americans.

Now, of course English is a European language. But the British are not the reason everyone uses it nowadays. It is the Americans. Indeed, everyone in Europe tries to speak with an American accent. And it's kind of pathetic and we should feel ashamed as Europeans.
I think Latin as a common European langauge would be an amazing possibility to build a European identity. Imagine: everyone has their own local language, their own local culture of their country. But on top of that, there is a higher layer of European culture and to participate in it, it is expected to speak Latin. This would be, I believe, indeed the only way to establish a common European language, because in this way no country would be given a preferred role. Nobody would go along with making German or French the official European language (apart from Germany or France, of course).

I am afraid though that we may be past the point of making it possible. A decade ago, to be "pro European" was considered progressive and inclusive etc. (as a contrast to being "pro your own country only"). Nowadays, "pro European" is considered exclusive, because what about all the non-Europeans? What if they don't feel at home? We went full globalist and, as someone said, establishing a basis for a European identity in form of a common language could be considered as "white supremacy" or whatever.

Who knows, though! Maybe one day...

[Anonymous No.20445138]

>>20445103
That would be beautiful but first we need to learn and actually use latin for communication kek
I wish some board or thread on this chan or another existed for comfy shitposting in Latin, which could be a nice way to practice and get corrections.
I wonder if glowniggers would have problems deciphering the autistic latin slang that could be born from there.

[Anonymous No.20445146]

>>20445138
We should just talk in latin on here

I would start doing that already... but I'm only on chapter 15 of llpsi lmao

[Anonymous No.20445148]

>>20445103
I totally agree with your vision, though I have to say that as someone born in Germany, I do feel a stronger connection to someone from France, Italy, or even Albania than to someone not from Europe. Obviously I'm a hardcore European patroit though, so maybe my feeling isn't indicative of the general population.

A united European identity with Latin as its lingua franca would be my wet dream, this is why I asked this question in the first place. And given what I have seen in this thread, I still have hope that it is possible for Latin to replace English as the official European language, if the will is there. I guess the main thing that stands in the way is that it's much, much harder to learn.

[Anonymous No.20445163]

>>20445138
>>20445146
I started using English daily for work about a year ago and in that time my English has improved more than it did in the ten years before, actually using the language definitely is the most important part to getting fluid. Let us be the change we want to see in the world.

[Anonymous No.20445174]

>>20445146
Ergo utere sententias simplices et directas. Bonus modo exercitationis scribere est.

[Anonymous No.20445193]

>>20445052
I've been up all night, thank you. Didn't even catch that.

[Anonymous No.20445196]

>>20445163
With Latin reading is probably more important since there are not native speakers. But yes, if you want to learn something you have to practice it.

[Anonymous No.20445206]

>>20445196
I would make a /clg/ discord, but everyone here hates discord.

[Anonymous No.20445208]

>>20445174
Bonum consilium das. Cottidie sententias latinas simplices in hoc filo scribamus et hoc modo linguam exercitamus.

[Anonymous No.20445215]

>>20445196
Reading is of course the most important way to get better at Latin at the moment, there is nothing better to improve your vocabulary. But if the end goal is to make Latin a real used language again and simultaneously modernize its vocabulary, we need to produce Latin, both orally and in writing.

[Anonymous No.20445218]

>>20445215
https://neolatinlexicon.org/
There is already a modernized vocabulary done by Patrick Owens who used to study under Reginald Foster.

[Anonymous No.20445228]

>>20445174
adsentior, sed, timeo erit lites inter expertus et novicius Latina loquentium.

expertus Latina loquentium fortasse simpliciorem eorum voces ad auxilium novicius et hoc fortasse modo causa totum sollertiarum communes esse minuit

I spent 20 minutes of this and I don't think I used enough grammatical structures, pls no cringe

[Anonymous No.20445237]

>>20445206
Discords are more convienient than threads to chat in, but threads provide advertisement to the cause.

Whenever a discord arises, the thread declines, which ultimately causes the group to wane in popularity, which eventually kills the discord group as well.
It's a death sentence more or less.

Keep chatting in the thread and the thread stays bumped, and new anons find us

[Anonymous No.20445242]

>>20445215
Ideo deberemus incipere iam nunc, etsi faciamus errores. Hispanicus sum, et male loquor anglicam linguam, et tamen utor eam. Similiter faciamus cum latinā linguā, et, cum tempo, Latinitas nostra emendata erit.

[Anonymous No.20445251]

>>20445228
Certe fieri potest, sed plerosque expertos linguae Latinae libenter novicios adesse puto. Utcumque est, et multitudinem experti et novicii sermonibus simplicibus satis esse spero.

The accusativus cum infinitivo often is the only grammatical structure you need for a conversation.

[Anonymous No.20445264]

>>20445242
Salve, mi amice Hispanice! Scire cupio, ut facilior est discere linguam Latinam tibi, cum iam loqui potest linguam a lingua Latina prognatam?

[Anonymous No.20445265]

>>20445228
Puto lites erunt tantummodo inter pares: periti linguae Latinae qui disputabunt de grammatica et aliis quaestionibus subtilibus; et novi tirones, qui vociferabunt de libro lipsi

[Anonymous No.20445280]

>yesterday the general is flinging shit at eachother like wild animals
>today the general is happilly conversing with eachother in latin

You guys have bipolar I swear

[Anonymous No.20445290]

>>20445264
Etiam. Non tantum vocabula similis sunt, sed quoque grammatica. Verbi gratia, usus subiunctivi est quasi idem, et pronomina Hispanica adhuc servant casus.

[Anonymous No.20445292]

>>20445280
Behold, the power of autism

[Anonymous No.20445296]

>>20445280
Amantium irae amoris integratio est

[Anonymous No.20445310]

>>20445280
It was really just one INPOOT clown arguing with like 10 people.

[Anonymous No.20445311]

>>20445290
>et pronomina Hispanica adhuc servant casus.
Sed tantum aliquos, non omnia.
>Él, lo, le
>Is, eum, ei

[Anonymous No.20445340]

>>20445280
Denique factum est vere fren editio

[Anonymous No.20445355]

>>20445290
>vocabula similis sunt
similia

[Anonymous No.20445370]

>>20445138
>>20445148
>>20445163
Wow, I am glad my thoughts resonate with so many of you. I felt kind of dumb writing this huge text on freaking 4chan but it has all been forming in my head for a while now.

I don't know if I have enough romanticism left in me to truly go for this vision. But then again, why the hell not? Isn't that how all big changes happen?

I am going to be honest: I am an absolute beginner in actually learning Latin. I however fully support using it in here or on another platform in a more or less casual way. I do think though, that for the whole thing not to die off, there needs to be an underlying vision. Just shitposting for the sake of shitposting will, for one thing, get boring, for another it won't have a chance to grow as a meaningful movement.

For the same reason, it's not a bad idea to find a more.. hmm... "neutral" place for discussions. I mean, it's 4chan. People are talking about the rise of the 4th reich in between the Latin comments. Let's say a discord server, as someone else mentioned. We could link it in every /clg thread and keep it alive in this way. A server would have a much better chance at building a community. It would have a name, with which the members could identify with. And also the users would have names, even if made up. A sea of anons is not a community.

The defining difference to the multiple small communities already existing needs to be the belief in the vision of Latin becoming a resurrected, European lingua franca. However unrealistic or long-term this might sound. If we all keep at it, the community can only grow. And in few years, who knows?

Anyway, I will make a goal for myself to translate my small European manifesto >>20445103
or a version thereof to Latin and post it either in a /clg thread or maybe in a discord server, if there is one by that time, in a few days/weeks.

[Anonymous No.20445398]

>>20445370
I've seen this pan-euro larp servers before and they die very quickly or get overrun with /pol/tards and get nuked. It would be better if there was a general /clg/ server for all ancient languages that encouraged active use for practice. I'm kind of working on a template right now, but idk if I would commit to maintaining a shithole filled with 4chan autists.

[Anonymous No.20445409]

any somewhat profound thoughts I have I'll try to write them in Latin, good way to test your skills and translating it back into English makes the sentence turn out better.
amicī, modo scrībite per linguam latinam!

[Anonymous No.20445417]

>>20445370
>>20445398
nōn necesse est nam nōs migrāmus hinc

[Anonymous No.20445425]

>>20445370
There are already discord or telegram groups where people chat in Latin. The problem is the excessive politically correct moderation.
I do really like the anonymity of imageboards, and the freedom to be able to joke about the 4th Reich. If something, I would prefer to use or create specific chans for this.
Anyway, I doubt there's still enough people to justify using something other than this thread.
I like your political vision, I'm thankful for the shared culture of the different nations of Europe. Latin is part of it, since it was used even for science until a few centuries ago. It's not only the language of the ancient Roman republic.

[Anonymous No.20445435]

>>20445425
>There are already discord or telegram groups where people chat in Latin. The problem is the excessive politically correct moderation.
A server can be made that isn't as batshit as the "official" Latin server, which is run by the subreddit mods. People would still need to at least follow the tos of Discord.

[Anonymous No.20445450]

>>20445398
>/pol/tards
Omnis tardus colabitur ab usu linguae mortuae.

[Anonymous No.20445504]

How can I say this in order for you to understand it...
Futuite, incelli

[Anonymous No.20445522]

>>20445425
I am also for the anonymity. But made-up names are still anonymous. The problem is, I have no idea if this is your first message in this thread or if I have talked to you already. I can't see your previous posts or write you a private message. This is ideal for trolling but not for building a community.
I agree, moderating a discord server that got started on 4chan could be a hassle. Then again, in here there isn't that much going awry. I wouldn't mind the occasional troll or off-topic ramblings. The issue is, I suppose, satisfying the platform's TOS. Then again, this would be a reason to make the server connected with the /clg thread here: use /clg for shitposting and discord for somewhat more "civilized" discussions.

[Anonymous No.20445536]

I think a sense of immersion is good for latin
Where we can only read high level literature, we fail to be able to speak basic conversational latin.
I think something like a casual latin only chat group would be good.
But since it gets filled up with cancer very quickly and people only ever talk about the subject of latin which gets very tiring very quickly. I think a better way would be to have a latin only online videogame, where players talk to eachother about stuff occuring in the videogame but only in latin.

Basically... we should all make runescape accounts and chat to eachother only in latin on runescape

[Anonymous No.20445542]

>>20445536
Wouldn't a minecraft server be better since it already has a latin language mode?

[Anonymous No.20445580]

>>20445542
i would play on a latin only minecraft server

[Anonymous No.20445581]

>>20445542
>>20445580
same, it sounds incredibly autistic but I'm interested

[Anonymous No.20445632]

ὡς ὀλίγιστοι ἐνθάδε ἀττικίζοντες, μόνον ῥωμαιστὶ διαλεγόμενοι, φεῦ

[Anonymous No.20445714]

>A Cambridge lecturer claims that he has been labelled a “white supremacist” for studying and teaching classics.

>Dr David Butterfield said that his discipline was in “political danger” after “threats” and disputes on campuses over the way subjects should be taught.

>Speaking at a debate on academic freedom in universities organised by the think tank Politeia, he said: “Folks who want to defend the moral neutrality and political independence of looking at the ancient Greeks and Romans on their own terms, receive the slogan of the day, which is to be a white supremacist.

>“White supremacy is now used as a term for those who defend the intellectual value of studying Greece and Rome in a geographically, technically, culturally separate discipline.

starting my degree there in october, anyone have experience of studying classics in the current bolshevik climate at universities?

[Anonymous No.20445731]

>>20445536
>Where we can only read high level literature, we fail to be able to speak basic conversational latin.
Sed, unquam legistine illam litteraturam egregiam?
Suspicior ne quidem lipsi librum consummaveritis.
Novum Testamentum optimum ad sermonem vulgarem discendum.

[Anonymous No.20445770]

>>20445731
daily conversation is often just reusing common phrases.
>how are you doing?
>nice weather today
>ah! today is not the day!
>eeh I'l do it tomorrow
>I think I'll get some lunch

We don't really think about the grammar or even the vocabulary of these words, they are just phrases which we ascribe meaning.
ESL who haven't been immersed in the language have trouble with these alot
>yeah I can do that, it's a piece of cake
>come on it's not rocket science
>don't cry over spilt milk
>he threw that under the rug

You don't see this kind of language in most latin literature and even less so do you practice it as nearly the same level as you do with a living language even though this kind of stuff makes up almost all living languages usage.

I think if you want to revitalise latin, you've gotta find a way to start talking like this in latin

[Anonymous No.20445826]

>>20437193
why?

[Anonymous No.20445837]

>>20437193
>>20445826
not him, but I think llpsi would be better if it was like 10x longer for each chapter, so you can practice more without re-reading the same stuff.

Someone who's good at latin, it probably wouldn't even be that hard to just extend the content of each chapter with more examples of the grammar and vocab

[Anonymous No.20445888]

>>20445714
anglophone clown world

[Anonymous No.20445925]

>>20445632
I was just about to post something like this. Why so many more latinboos than Greekbros?

[Anonymous No.20445940]

>>20445632
Quid?

[Anonymous No.20446005]

>>20445632
That's because learning Greek requires actual effort. People posting about r*nieri or l*psi in these generals will find some new thing to get exited about when they hit their first plateau.
You can see how the atmosphere in these general shifts every two months or so because the old leaners have all moved on and new tourists have taken their place. Remember how awful the level of discussion here was back in March? Thankfully they found some other meme hobby.

[Anonymous No.20446019]

>>20445925
latin is not only easier to get into and more popular, but it's also easier to type
I bet there's alot of people who are good at greek but have never bothered to learn how to type it and settle for just writing stuff by hand

[Anonymous No.20446025]

>>20446005
>mfw I joined in March

[Anonymous No.20446127]

>>20446005
i hit my first plateau a while ago but i'm still in the game

[Anonymous No.20446157]

>>20445925
Cause Greeks invented gayness. Romans just copied it.

[Anonymous No.20446197]

I'm only halfway through the first chapter of LLPSI but I definitely support the notion of a Latin ethnostate.

[Anonymous No.20446583]

LLPSI gets really easy once you're past chapter 18

[Anonymous No.20446711]

>>20445770
You have no idea what you're talking about. Please, don't follow any advice from this guy.
t. ESL

[Anonymous No.20446792]

>>20446711
lmao imagine being ESL

[Anonymous No.20446953]

>>20446792
couldn't think of anything worse than being a native english speaker desu

[Anonymous No.20446955]

>>20438926
NO NO NO ITS NOT FAIR IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME NOT HIM

[Anonymous No.20447268]

Who else has been studying Classical Chinese?

[Anonymous No.20447357]

>>20445925
Latinfag here. Romance speakers as me probably feel more inclined to learn Latin, not only to read but also to communicate.

[Anonymous No.20447361]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak77g7_UoWs

[Anonymous No.20447388]

>>20446792
>lmao imagine being able of learning another language
I'm actually proud of being an ESL

[Anonymous No.20447423]

>>20447361
Vade retro, Lucii

[Anonymous No.20447802]

I've done Athenaze both book 1 and 2 and I'm starting to read Morice's Stories in Attic, I wonder if it's worth the hassle to make an anki deck for new words I meet along the way or at this point it's sufficient to just read and re-read the stories

[Anonymous No.20447834]

>argumentantur vehementer, non modo de latine scribendo, sed etiam de capienda re publica Europae, latinā linguā utendā
>volunt uti discord
>nemo vult (aut potest) scribere simplices nugas in hoc filo
Vere tibi cogitare id facit

[Anonymous No.20447877]

This video seems pretty useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTWKpNy96EM

[Anonymous No.20447889]

>>20447877
it's how i have been using llpsi and it's going well

[Anonymous No.20447899]

>>20447889
I wonder if that level of intensiveness is really necessary for LLPSI since it's built to be self-explanatory but for other texts it makes sense.

[Anonymous No.20447907]

>>20447899
have you actually used llpsi
it's not like you're going to understand everything right away

[Anonymous No.20447915]

>>20447907
I have. I had to backtrack a little but it was mostly pretty self-explanatory. Granted I had a tiny bit of prior knowledge of Latin, but not much.

[Anonymous No.20447986]

Is the placement of long vowels (and their changes depending on case) and stress predictable in Latin?

[Anonymous No.20448019]

>>20447986
Not really. There are some patterns, but basically you have to learn them.

[Anonymous No.20448401]

bros I dreamed in Latin today, well part of it I was reading some Latin in my dream. I wish I could remember it cause it sounded good.
does this mean I'm achieving fluency?

[Anonymous No.20448410]

>>20448401
I found that if I read right before I sleep and drink some nice tea, that I am more likely to have a dream in Latin.

[Anonymous No.20448415]

>>20448410
Why would you drink a caffeinated beverage right before trying to go to sleep?

[Anonymous No.20448421]

>>20448415
My friend not all tea is caffeinated.

[Anonymous No.20449461]

>>20447802
I highly recommend it

[Anonymous No.20448426]

>>20448421
which ones amice? i would like to drink tea before bed

[Anonymous No.20448429]

>>20448421
By that do you mean you're having decaffeinated tea, or do you mean you're having some other infused beverage and calling it tea? I'm sorry, I know I seem rather peevish, but it's useful to have a word to clearly communicate tea-as-such, because if I have to go to a conference after sleeping for five hours the hotel isn't going to do me much good by serving me herbal tea.

[Anonymous No.20448443]

>>20448426
They are usually called "sleepy time" tea.
>>20448429
I don't drink anything "decaffeinated". They don't have caffeine to begin with. If you drink black or green tea without caffeine, then that is decaffeinated, but that's not what I'm talking about.

[Anonymous No.20448451]

>>20448443
Okay, but for the sake of clear communication it would be better to have a word that's reserved for actual tea-tea, for the reasons I described above.

[Anonymous No.20448456]

>>20448451
Tea is hot water poured over plant leaves. Not every plant leaf that you pour water on is going to release caffeine. It's still tea. There's no such thing as "tea-tea".

[Anonymous No.20448468]

>>20448456
By tea-as-such I mean camelia sinensis.

[Anonymous No.20448469]

>>20448451
>>20448456
French doesn't have this issue. They have separate words for real tea and infusions.

[Anonymous No.20448475]

>>20448469
So does English- tisane for the latter. But people insist on calling tisanes tea.

[Anonymous No.20448488]

>>20448468
>>20448469
>>20448475
I guess as an American, I can't be bothered to distinguish between them. I just go to the store and buy tea without caffeine if I want to have a comfy drink before I sleep. My apologies.

Anyways, back to /clg/ talk pls

[Anonymous No.20448517]

So how long is it recommended to stick to Latin before moving onto learning Greek? 6 months? 2 years? 10 years? Should I just not think about learning Greek at all until I become spiritually and mentally Roman?

[Anonymous No.20448530]

>>20448517
I would make sure you can at least read a bit of original unadapted texts.

[Anonymous No.20448570]

>>20448410
im learning latin but have seen ancient greek more often in my dreams. ive actually seen or simply acknowledge ancient greek words that i have never seen before. mind you the only greek words i know is shit like arete, dike, anthropos, idean, basic shit that you pick up.

i had a dream abt these animals/creatures getting ready for a gladiator match and one of them was named therio, it seemed to be the strongest one of them. had no clue wtf that meant until i just typed it into google a few days later. it means beast in ancient greek. how the fuck does that even happen.

[Anonymous No.20448584]

>>20448570
Saw it somewhere and remembered it subconsciously?

[Anonymous No.20448589]

>>20448570
You probably learned therio from biology. Biology books are full of Greek words.

[Anonymous No.20448605]

>>20448530
What kind of unadapted Latin texts? I can understand fragments from Caesar's De bello gallico and Livy's History of Rome I've come across, but Seneca is still pretty difficult for me. Should I just wait till I can understand that sort of stuff easily too?

[Anonymous No.20448647]

>>20448584
thats what i would assume but after all this time i have no recollection of learning or even knowing of the word's existence. im confident i never learned the definition but im guessing i saw it somewhere and unconsciously imparted its meaning. and if i did learn the definition then i forgot it immediately and havent thought abt it for years.

the other greek word i saw in a dream a couple weeks ago was thete(lowest class of athenian freeman according to google), which similarly i have no recollection of ever learning but ill believe it since i do remember reading about athenian society, just none of the information. in the dream i was reading freud and saw it among other greek words that i cant remember. that word is the only thing i can recall from the entire dream.
>>20448589
eh im more willing to believe i simply saw it once online. if i saw such a broadly defined and unique word like theriogenology im confident it would at least ring a bell

[Anonymous No.20448673]

>>20448647
I learned that theria means beasts from Eutheria, which is the collective name for all mammals that do not lay eggs

[Anonymous No.20448683]

>>20448605
If you can read parts of Livy, go ahead and start Greek. But stop if you feel like you need to. Don't be hardheaded and try to force it. There's nothing wrong with taking a break and coming back to it in a month or two.

[Anonymous No.20449926]

>>20448570
>>20448647
You know, both the Romans and the Greeks believed that dreams were a major way for their gods to disperse messages, premonitions, and oracles.

[Anonymous No.20450110]

I'm so lonely all I do is study Latin in my bedroom.

[Anonymous No.20450117]

I'm learnin' the GRAMS. I'm Ezra Pound. Soon I'll be reading the Tao Teh King, the Ta Hio, the Chung Yung.

[Anonymous No.20450122]

>>20450110
You're already above the feckless majority who just watch Netflix, drink or watch porn alone in their bedroom.

[Anonymous No.20450129]

>>20450122
Yeah, but this is such a solitary existence. PAIN

[Anonymous No.20450558]

>>20450122
Romani erant quoque nequi. Delectabantur ludere, pugnare, futere, haud magis. Si olim Netflix aut internetem haberent, omnes delectabantur.
(Concedo Latine recte not loquor, ante queritis. Sed conor. Salvete)

[Anonymous No.20450620]

>>20450558
In omni civitate et tempore, plerusque hominorum idem esse puto. Degeneratio, ubicumque homines sint, illic florescit.

[Anonymous No.20450664]

>>20450558
Latinitas mea bona non est, sed dubito de ea verba:
>nequi
vel nequam?
>Delectabantur ludere etc
Ludere et pugnare et cetera [subiectum] delectabant eos (vel "eis"?) [accusativus aut dativus, non certus sum]
Aut "delectabantur in ludendo" etc
https://www.nihilscio.it/Manuali/Lingua%20latina/Verbi/Coniugazione_latino.aspx?verbo=delecto&lang=IT_
>ante queritis
vel "ante quaeratis"?

[Anonymous No.20450703]

>>20450129
Aut crescet aut decrescet in solitudine vir, sed idem numquam manebit

[Anonymous No.20450704]

>Evangelium Matthaei
>autem autem autem autem autem
>consummavisse hoc. coepisse Evangelium Marci
>nullum "autem"
>bene.jpg
>legisse paulum magis
>statim statim statim statim statim
>Mea facies cum

[Anonymous No.20450710]

>>20450558
Non temporis sed hominis est nequitia

[Anonymous No.20450713]

Anchor post
if someone wants to learn akkadian and needs materials, reply and I will send
come write cuneiform with us frens

[Anonymous No.20450763]

>>20450664
>nequi
Non certus eram. Fortasse recte dicis, "nequam" scribitur in pluralis.
>Delectabantur ludere etc
Forma passiva "delectebantur" usavi cum infinitivum. Recte esse puto ut forma alternativa ut idem dicere.
>ante queritis
Profecto, malui "quaeratis" dicere

Nunc emenda emendationes, kekius

[Anonymous No.20450772]

>>20450704
It would have been better to just use the imperfect infinitive (historic infinitive)
>consummare hoc. Incipere Evangelium Marci
>legere paulum magis
It feels absolutely perfect for greentexts

[Anonymous No.20450785]

>>20450704
Personalitas atque anima apostolorum emittuntur per verba ab quisque evangelium. Me placet.

[Anonymous No.20450818]

>>20450763
Credo "nequam" indeclinabile esse.
Etenim "delector" deponens est; ergo nunc, tuum dixisse recte puto
>Usavi
Usus sum? Utor deponens est.

[Anonymous No.20450824]

>>20450818
>tuum dixisse
te dixisse

[Anonymous No.20450842]

>dominus romanus potens esse
>primus filius stultus ut petram es
>pugnat cum alteros pueros, denique fallere me conatur dicens laudatum fuisset per magistrum
>filius secundus sapiens es, sed debilis; cadet ab arbore ut avis aegrotans
>interim servus dilectus surripia sesterios meos, effugit ad Romam
>quoniam rusticus meus quoque summa eggregia me debet, plora ut uxor gravida est; concedendus est
>otium volens, amici invito ad cenam
>amicus graecus nimis merum potuit, lauda uxorem mea in conspectu oculorum meorum
>futuimini merda mea, fratri

[Anonymous No.20450846]

>>20450785
Etiam. Sed lexi "autem" tam saepe ut hoc verbum perdiderit significationem suam.

[Anonymous No.20450868]

>>20450842
>futuimini merda mea, fratri
Risi. Miser Iulius.

[Anonymous No.20450890]

I already have a few thoughts about it, but I'm curious to hear what anyone else might say. Nomizein and hegeisthai can both mean "to believe", but what difference in connotation does the latter have from the former when it does mean "to believe"?

[Anonymous No.20450991]

>>20450110
Me too man, only Greek

[Anonymous No.20451036]

>>20448410
back when I was taking this greek course I'd have lewd thoughts about a girl in greek before falling asleep

[Anonymous No.20451232]

>>20450713
I don't want to learn it at the moment, but I want to say that looks based af

[Anonymous No.20451242]

>esse me
>velle scribere viridem textum
>non scire de quo scribere
>istuc totum esse

[Anonymous No.20451254]

>esse me
>velle scribere viridem textum
>non scire de quo scribere
>istud totum esse

[Anonymous No.20451290]

beginner-intermediate Latin translation challenge, Charlemagne edition

[Anonymous No.20451326]

Anyone here studied Old Spanish? Looking to move on to that once I've got a more firm grasp on my Latin. What books to buy, etc?

[Anonymous No.20451354]

>>20451326
Learn 16th century Portuguese instead to read the Lusiads instead, then move backwards to Galaico-Portuguese which has loads of medieval material and is more interesting anyway

[Anonymous No.20451369]

>>20451326
Why do you want to learn Old Spanish? The only thing to read is Cantar de mio Cid, which isn't even complete either. This is like something you study in a university where you access to primary documents and have already studied Spanish and Latin.

I hate when I ask for recommendations and people try to talk me out of it instead of helping, so I still tried to find you stuff anyways. Good luck:

>Lloyd, Paul M. 1987. From Latin to Spanish. Philadelphia: American Philosophical Society.
>Dworkin, Steven N. 2921. A Guide to Old Spanish. Oxford University Press
>Pidal, Ramon M. 1908. Cantar de mío Cid: Texto, gramática y vocabulario
https://archive.org/details/cantardemocidte00pidagoog

[Anonymous No.20451730]

>>20451290
ESL here, corrections about both my latin and my english are welcomed. It will be probably harder to read my translation than the original kek

Being the last part of his life, when the old age and the illness already make feel their weight, called his son H., king of Aquitania, the only of the sons of Hi. who was still alive, while the aristocrats were congregated with solemnity from the entire kingdom; in a council with (of) all of them, he nominated his consors [not sure what this exactly means] his heir of all the kingdom and of the name of emperor, and having put on his head the crown, he also ordered them to call him "imperator" and "augustus". This deliberation of him was received by everyone who was there with great favor. In fact they thought he was inspired by God for the utility of the kingdom. This fact also increased his majesty/respectability, and produced on the foreign nation the least preoccupation of a threat.
Being sent, after this, his son in Aquitania, he, following the usual custom, as much as the old age allowed him, not far from the royal palace, departed, to pursue hunting; and in this way, finished the work which remained him in fall, withdrew to Aquasgrani, around the Kalendas of November.

And passing here the winter, in January, attacked by a strong fever, was forced to stay in bed. He immediately, as he always used to do when having fever, imposed over himself to not eat food, thinking that this restraint could eliminate illness or at least surely reduce it. But, because of an added pain of the sides to the fever (which the Greeks call "pleuresin"), and because he was maintaining his fasting, not even a body that thin could sustain. The seventh day after being in bed, having received the holy communion, died, in the year 72nd of his age (being 72 yo), and since he started to reign, the 47 (after having reigned for 47 days), 5 kalendas of February, in the third hour of the day.

[Anonymous No.20451740]

>>20451730
>not even a body that thin could sustain
I mean
he couldn't even sustain a body that thin

[Anonymous No.20451744]

>>20451730
>and since he started to reign, the 47 (after having reigned for 47 days)
I mean
and since he started to reign, the 47th (after having reigned for 47 years)

[Anonymous No.20451773]

>>20451730
english aside, mostly correct, two things
>he nominated his consors [not sure what this exactly means]
just means he made him king alongside himself for as long as he had to live
>and because he was maintaining his fasting, not even a body that thin could sustain
it's more like "and because he was maintaining his fasting and sustaining his body with little more than occasional drinking...."

[Anonymous No.20451792]

>>20450110
So go out and meet people.

[Anonymous No.20451803]

>>20450890
Just to check, what are those in Greek script?

[Anonymous No.20451818]

>>20451773
thanks fren

[Anonymous No.20451837]

>>20450991
Sorry. I wish the best for you.

[Anonymous No.20451841]

>>20451773
Thanks fren.
I confounded potu and potuisse, kek

[Anonymous No.20451864]

>>20451803
νομίζειν
ἡγεῖσθαι
>>20450890
an explanation which I came across and kinda makes sense considering νομίζω has root in νόμος is that the latter has the connotation of believing something in the sense of a custom, i.e held to be true by most, while ἡγέομαι tends to be more like a personal judgement

[Anonymous No.20452264]

>>20441085
you literally know fuck all compared to a ten year old that has had 5 lessons then if you can't explain what has happened there

[Anonymous No.20452284]

>>20452264
Knowing a language and being able to consciously explain what's going on are not the same thing.

[Anonymous No.20452316]

>>20452284
Are you that same anon? If yes, prove you're not full of shit.

[Anonymous No.20452328]

>>20451864
That's what I was suspecting, but always good to double check, thanks much anon!

[Anonymous No.20452479]

>>20452316
I am not him, no. But the evidence is all around you- English speakers, for example, use the past tense and the past participle without knowing what either of those things are. An illiterate indentured servant in 18th century colonial America didn't know what either of those things were, he just knew that "I went" and "I have gone" sound right and "I have went" and "I gone" sound wrong.

[Anonymous No.20452591]

>>20452479
The other anon said he learnt Latin by just reading it, with zero knowledge of grammar. I was wondering if it's possible to learn a dead language like that, and how good his latin was. I think he was full of shit, but I was actually curious to know more about his learning process and progress (if those existed).
Of course native speakers understand their language intuitively (and this is how languages actually work, syntax is an abstraction), but even if they don't know the names, they are able to identify unequivocally the different syntactic elements.
Give them a sentence, ask who did the action expressed by the verb, to whom, make them change the number of the subject, they will conjugate the verb accordingly. Repeat the same sentence with different verbal tenses, they will be able to explain grosso modo the difference.
But how many hours of their life have they been exposed to their living, oral language?

[Anonymous No.20452628]

Just read LLPSI chapter 18 again after dropping it and going back through all the previous chapters again.

The first time I read it, I couldn't understand it at all, but now I can understand it somewhat

WAGMI bros

[Anonymous No.20452937]

>>20452628
Noli desistere, fra

[Anonymous No.20452986]

>>20452628
Noli desistere, fra'

[Anonymous No.20453351]

>>20452591
Well, I think Classical Chinese has also been taught inductively, historically. I don't really know of much of an analytic grammar tradition in China.

[Anonymous No.20453757]

>>20450704
Lingua Graeca copiosa est hoc verbo "δέ" quid semper translatum esse non debet. sed ars transferendi quidque verbum valde delectabat omnibus translatoribus.

[Anonymous No.20453996]

>>20453351
Maybe in China, but I know that Japanese people use a method involving reordering sentences, then adding particles between words, and finally conjugating verbs as necessary in order to translate from Chinese to Japanese.
Also, I know that there's a big difference between classical and colloquial Chinese dialects, so I imagine that there must be an element of stiff, "cultivated" speech that needed to be taught in order for Chinese people to write in Classical Chinese.

[Anonymous No.20454001]

>>20453996
Yes, Classical Chinese has definitely been a foreign language to native Chinese speakers for many centuries now. But it was nonetheless taught inductively. And as far as I know even the Japanese reordering rules were mostly taught inductively rather than by specific rules to follow.

[Anonymous No.20454896]

grammartranslationcels be like
>must find the verb

[Anonymous No.20454906]

>>20454896
>non-sequitor
sorry but you will never recover from this immersionfag, you obviously don't know latin

[Anonymous No.20454916]

>>20454906
I actually had someone who wasn't a native English speaker eggcorn it as non secutor because she had only heard it out loud, and also she knew Latin.

[Anonymous No.20454931]

Found this bad boy today at Goodwill for $2.99. Has a lot of neo Latin in it but it's fun nonetheless, and the actual authentic Latin terms check out.

[Anonymous No.20455002]

>>20454931
That's done by Patrick Owens. He's legit. He has a neo-latin lexicon.
>neolatinlexicon.org

[Anonymous No.20455865]

>>20453757
Legi Hieronymum, translatorem Bibliae, maluisse non verbum e verbo transferre, sed sensum exprimere de sensu originali, "absque Scripturis sanctis, ubi et verborum ordo mysterium est".
>Epistulae 57, 5

[Anonymous No.20455889]

>>20454896
Nobody defend the ideas you made up in your head

[Anonymous No.20455893]

>>20454896
Nobody defends the ideas you made up in your head

[Anonymous No.20455913]

Were you able to jump to real latin readings, even if easy ones, after finishing lipsi?

[Anonymous No.20455971]

>>20455913
define real latin readings

[Anonymous No.20455986]

>>20455971
Anything that is not a graded or adapted reading. For example the Vulgata's New Testament, which is pretty easy.

[Anonymous No.20456045]

>>20455986
I read Mark from the Nova Vulgata after Familia Romana (and its supplements up to that point, even though the last chapter of Fabulae Syrae kicked my ass with its poetry).

Sometimes, there's Late Latin weirdness in grammar, but it's not hard to make sense of it. The bigger problem is that you often run into sentences where you haven't seen the central word before. The first read-through is annoying if you look everything up, but the second read-through is smooth sailing.

[Anonymous No.20456160]

>>20455986
>>20456045
To expand a bit: with Late Latin grammar weirdness I mean things like "in palam" or "a longe". With vocabulary, it's random-ass words like in
> Et cum non possent offerre eum illi prae turba, nudaverunt tectum, ubi erat, et perfodientes summittunt grabatum, in quo paralyticus iacebat.
You can probably tell what paralyticus and nudaverunt means, maybe even perfodientes, but you'll have to look up grabatum.

Strangely enough, I think I even found an error in the NV at
> Poterat enim unguentum istud veniri plus quam trecentis denariis et dari pauperibus
I don't see how veniri makes sense here, it should be vendi (or venundari, like in the Clementine), shouldn't it?

By the way, the biggest boost in my Latin abilities came from leaving 4chan, after the Scottish Gwynne autist took up shitposting in earnest. This is the first time I'm here in 6 months, and hopefully the last time for just as long. What I'm trying to say: whatever you learned from reading my post, you'd have learned more in that time by just trying to read some Latin.

[Anonymous No.20456174]

>>20456160

[Anonymous No.20456185]

>>20456174
Oh shit, thanks! For some reason Wiktionary is unable to find the "veneo" entry when you enter the passive infinite of that word, even though it occurs in that entry's conjugation table. That's what threw me off.

[Anonymous No.20456190]

>>20456185
>wiktionary
there's your problem
don't 'b-but' me. use a real dictionary

[Anonymous No.20456207]

>>20456190
B-but what am I supposed to look up in the real dictionary? In this case I would just have looked up the suspected venio, and would have been none the wiser.

[Anonymous No.20456222]

>>20456207
>look up venio
>that isn't right
>not vendo either
>should I look up other words starting with ven-?
>no, it is the Vulgate that is wrong
You don't understand as much as you think you do and are actively looking for ways and reasons to not learn more.
Use a real dictionary.

[Anonymous No.20456243]

>>20456174
still kinda interesting choice of wording, I wonder if it was particularly needed for some reason in place of more regular 'vendi'

[Anonymous No.20456263]

>>20456160
>By the way, the biggest boost in my Latin abilities came from leaving 4chan
>>20456174
The irony

[Anonymous No.20456295]

>>20456222
>no, it is the Vulgate that is wrong
It's not like the online version on the Vatican site is free from OCR issues, at least. There's an uxorern just a couple lines above, and you don't need to look that one up in your real dictionary to conclude that it's an error.

>>20456263
Six months ago, I was unable to read Mark comfortably. Yesterday, I was able to read Mark comfortably, except for this one word I didn't know about. That certainly qualifies as a boost.

[Anonymous No.20456311]

>>20456295
>finish LLPSI
>six months to read the easiest Latin text in existence
>muh boost
Good job little buddy! At that rate you'll be reading Cicero within 6 years!

[Anonymous No.20456337]

>>20456295
>Six months ago, I was unable to read Mark comfortably. Yesterday, I was able to read Mark comfortably, except for this one word I didn't know about. That certainly qualifies as a boost.
I know, reducing the time spent on this godforsaken site is always a good advice. But the situation was ironic nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.20456344]

>>20456311
Neither did I claim that I had already finished LLPSI six months ago, nor did I say that I'm only able to read Mark. The post I replied to originally was asking about the NT, that's all.

I don't get what you're so angry about, unless you feel personally attacked by my suggestion to take a break from 4chan.

Either way, you reminded me about why I suggested that in the first place. Have fun shitflinging about LLPSI or dictionaries or Ranieri, or whatever you do instead of reading Latin.

[Anonymous No.20456349]

>>20456311
Not the same anon but why are you so salty.

[Anonymous No.20456396]

>bump limit again
Yay we did it reddit!

[Anonymous No.20456420]

>>20456417
>>20456417
>>20456417

[Anonymous No.20457943]

>>20455893
I have literally heard those exact words used when explaining how to figure out a sentence.

[Anonymous No.20457952]

>>20456190
What is not 'real' exactly about Wiktionary?