/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.20432942]

Who was in the wrong here?

[Anonymous No.20432963]

The incel, of course.

[Anonymous No.20432972]

>>20432942
Me for reading that book thinking I would relate to it. I’m a failure and some may call me an incel, but I’m not that hopelessly pathetic.

[Anonymous No.20433673]

why did he fall in love with a married woman in the first place?

[True Follower of the way of Ab(...) No.20434004]

>>20432942
penguin classics are so kino

[Anonymous No.20434013]

G-d

[Anonymous No.20434031]

>>20433673
She was married, only betrothed.

[Anonymous No.20434043]

>>20432942
The courts which failed to give Werther recognition at his job and social station and drove him back to the countryside to bask in the recognition he got as an artist and man from Charlotte. If he settled into a good job where he received inter-subjective esteem from others he wouldn't have felt the need to return to the village receive it from Charlotte. He should have toughed it out in the city or sought a sustainable source of recognition, as did the real Goethe for whom the real Lotte was just a fleeting passion to be passed over and reminisced rather than an existential abyss to throw yourself into as happend to one of their friends over a different woman.

[Anonymous No.20434047]

>>20434031
haha, typo :P

[Anonymous No.20434048]

>>20434031
*wasn't

[Anonymous No.20434138]

Werther's trauma. You can tell by him being able to relate with the insane person

[Anonymous No.20434169]

Werther was in the wrong, not because 'muh le incel', but because of his reveling in his romanticism. The book is a cautionary tale of the inevitable end of romanticism. Goethe shows this by making Werther embody romanticism to the extreme, thereby showing its flaws all the more in an extreme manner (that is why he is both so highly admirable and pitiful). The point is that the romanticist worldview is fundamentally at odds with the world. The solution is either you kill yourself as a romanticist, or you kill the romanticism in you. Goethe himself chose the latter, and Werther's suicide signifies precisely this. In his own words, "classicism is health, romanticism is sickness." Anyone who thinks this book has anything to do with 'muh le incel' is a subhuman not fit for literature or any form of higher thinking.

[Anonymous No.20434205]

>>20434169
Okay but a lot of incels actually are romantics, and if you didn't realize this you are retarded

[Anonymous No.20434216]

Now here you go again
You say you want your freedom
Well, who am I to keep you down?
It's only right that you should
Play the way you feel it
But listen carefully
To the sound of your loneliness
Like a heartbeat drives you mad
In the stillness of remembering what you had
And what you lost
And what you had
And what you lost
Oh, thunder only happens when it's rainin'
Players only love you when they're playin'
Say women, they will come and they will go
When the rain washes you clean, you'll know
You'll know