The Most Important Book of the 20th Century

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20427685]

The cycle of manifestation composed of Golden, Silver, Bronze and Iron ages. This cycle is an inevitable descent from the pole of Essence (or forma) toward the pole of Substance (or materia). Essence is qualitative while substance is quantitative; As the cycle progresses or descends, the very nature of time and space changes. In earlier stages, time is relatively eternal, as the cycle moves on, however, time begins to take over and accelerate, but this constant acceleration of time can't go on forever. Time, the "devourer" ends by devouring itself. At the end of time, Time will be changed into space again. This ultimate timeless point is simultaneously the end of the cycle of manifestation and the beginning of the next.Before this ultimate transformation, in the latter days of the present cycle certain final developments must take place.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20427691]

Among the features characteristic of the modern mentality, there is a tendency to bring everything down to an exclusively quantitative point of view.
This tendency is most marked in the 'scientific' conceptions of recent centuries; but it is almost as conspicuous in other domains, notably in social organization--so much so that, with one reservation the nature and necessity of which will appear hereafter, our period could almost be defined as being essentially and primarily the 'reign of quantity'. This characteristic is chosen in preference to any other, not solely nor even principally because it is one of the most evident and least contestable, but above all because its truly fundamental nature, for reduction to the quantitative is strictly in conformity with the conditions of the cyclic phase at which humanity has now arrived; and also because it is the particular tendency in question that leads logically to the lowest point of the 'descent' that proceeds continuously and with ever increasing speed from the beginning to the end of the 'Manvantara', that is to say throughout the whole course of the manifestation of a humanity such as ours. This 'descent', as has often been pointed out on previous occasions, is but a gradual movement away from the principle, which is necessarily inherent in any process of manifestation; in our world, by reason of the special conditions of existence to which it is subject, the lowest point takes on the aspect of pure quantity, deprived of every qualitative distinction; it goes without saying that this point represents strictly speaking a limit, and that is why it is not legitimate to speak otherwise than of a 'tendency', for, during the actual course of the cycle, the limit can never be reached since it is as it were outside and beneath any existence, either realized or even realizable.

[Anonymous No.20427813]

>>20427685
pbuh

[Anonymous No.20429407]

pbuh

[Anonymous No.20429446]

>>20427685
pbuh

[Anonymous No.20429491]

Why has nobody posted this on /lit/ yet? Fresh lecture on The Reign of Quantity.
https://youtu.be/6WuX5kNu45Y

[Anonymous No.20429655]

>>20429491
One day I will be as erudite as the Saiyad inshallah.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20429727]

>>20429491
holy based
thanks

[Anonymous No.20429733]

>>20429491
he had a based library ngl, those books with islamic calligraphy really looked nice

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20429736]

>>20429727
>>20429491
>Lecture 1
>Meaning there will be multiple
holllyyyyyyyy based!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.20429747]

>>20429491
who is this faggot? do boomers really read guenon? I thought that it's a zoomer meme

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20429749]

>>20429747
>who is this faggot?
LURK

[Anonymous No.20429782]

>>20429747
He is also a pretty serious academic with a PhD in Islamic Studies from Princeton (one of the few living authorities on al-Buni as far as I know). He is a Twelver Shia with Traditionalist views. He has also been in Cairo and Qom for years in Sufi and esotericist circles. Very based indeed.

[Anonymous No.20429785]

>>20429747
He is a pretty serious academic with a PhD in Islamic Studies from Princeton (one of the few living authorities on al-Buni as far as I know). He is a Twelver Shia with Traditionalist views. He has also been in Cairo and Qom for years in Sufi and esotericist circles. Very based indeed.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20429998]

does he post here?

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20430085]

If our contemporaries as a whole could see what it is that is guiding them and where they are really going, the modern world would at once cease to exist as such, for the 'rectification' that has often been alluded to in the author's other works could not fail to come about through that very circumstance; on the other hand, since this 'rectification' presupposes arrival at the point at which the 'descent' is completely accomplished, where 'the wheel stops turning'- at least for the instant marking the passage from one cycle to another- it is necessary to conclude that, until this point is actually attained, it is impossible that these things should be understood by men in general, but only by the small number of those who are destined to prepare, in one way or in another, the germs of the future cycle.

[Anonymous No.20430087]

yeah I'm thiking pbuh

[Anonymous No.20430689]

pee-buhh

[Anonymous No.20430764]

>>20429491
Ah the based Sayyid strikes again

[Anonymous No.20430962]

>>20427685
Good to see you again dago. The initiate Wagner discovered a similar truth in his Parsifal when he presents the otherworldly Grail temple.

>PARSIFAL:
>I scarcely tread,
>yet seem already to have come far.

>GURNEMANZ:
>You see, my son,
>time here becomes space.

And Spengler seems to confirm this:

>Goethe's Faust II and Wagner's Parsifal disclose to us in advance the shape that our spirituality will assume in our next (in point of creative power our last) centuries.

[Anonymous No.20430968]

Is it only sand niggers and frogs (the two being less and less easily distinguishable from one another as time flow) shilling this retard or what?

[Anonymous No.20431035]

>Is it only sand niggers and frogs (the two being less and less easily distinguishable from one another as time flow) shilling this retard or what?

[Anonymous No.20431081]

>>20431035
What are you talking about? The future king of Britain is a traditionalist and a guenonfren.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnnXKmGQ4nI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITpU225cG4

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20431095]

>>20430962
based...!
>Goethe's Faust II and Wagner's Parsifal disclose to us in advance the shape that our spirituality will assume in our next (in point of creative power our last) centuries.
incredibly based...!!!

the future is HIGH GHIBBELINE brother!!!!!

[Anonymous No.20431142]

>>20431081
If you read his other writings he is 50% based and 50% globohomo. For someone in his position he seems to be doing very little for the West to return to its Tradition and is instead more concerned with climate change and the efforts to combat it which are identical to the ideas the WEF puts forth (eat the bugs). Also, the orgs he sponsors in the Traditionalist field seem like Masonic kumbaya syncretism not unlike other fronts you see today (Knights Templar of Jerusalem for example)

[Anonymous No.20431188]

>>20431142
>rothschild poking prince charles in the chest.jpg
His hands are definitely tied. I would say he's doing the best he can.
This clip by Ian Dallas is interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQoiGpqD4_E

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20431212]

>>20429491
he said at the end that they're gonna record another episode that night

let's gooo
hopefully he releases it in the coming days

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20431259]

>>20431188
that was a great video thank you
>"chucking the hereditary prince out if he marries beneath him"
how prophetic!!

[Anonymous No.20431331]

can someone post the guenon chart? Sorry for asking but I am getting interested.

[Anonymous No.20431338]

>>20431259
You are welcome fren. I invite you to read more about this man and his attempt to establish the Gold dinar with the help of Gaddafi. Juicy stuff!
I also think you will like his book on Wagner.
https://www.amazon.com/New-Wagnerian-Ian-Dallas/dp/062046755X
Unfortunately, he died last year. May God rest his soul.

[Anonymous No.20431349]

>>20431331

[Anonymous No.20431354]

>>20431331
>>20431349
This one is more aesthetically pleasing but not as good order-wise

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20431383]

>>20431338
My wagner game is weak, I have read a handful of essays by him ,and have listened to all his stuff. However, I was a nietzschefag for a long time so I was kind of biased against him and never got in the game at a deep level.

Book looks sick, added to my list.
Got any more recs?

[Anonymous No.20431435]

>>20431095
Would it be cringe if I had a Ghibelline band at the top of my coat of arms?

[Anonymous No.20431454]

>>20431349
>>20431354
thanks

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20431498]

>>20431435
explain the flowers brother

is that your actual family coat of arms or did you make it yourself?

[Anonymous No.20431556]

>>20431383
The Book of Stranger is pretty good novel about a journey in the Sufi path you should check it out too.
Many of his writing can be found freely on Scribd. Just search Ian Dallas or Abdalqadir as-Sufi. I find his life and hidden influence very interesting (he was probably and aristocratic elite and very well connected).

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20431589]

>>20431556
ohhhh the guy from the vid is the new wagnerian author?? I didn't realize you said that was his book.
okay that's based af. removed it from my wish list and just bought it!

>I find his life and hidden influence very interesting (he was probably and aristocratic elite and very well connected).
he comes off as both Evolian and Guenonian, which is based.
i've been exploring this idea of integrating sufism with High Ghibellenism lately and I think it might just work.

[Anonymous No.20431770]

>>20431589
Hope you like it!
>he comes off as both Evolian and Guenonian, which is based.
He started as a Guenonian and a little bit Evolian (a bit fashy too).
You can read about the criticism he attracted after calling Adolf Hitler a great Mujahid against usury and the Jews.
https://www.livingislam.org/ir/ez/dc/sdph_e.html
He then shifted to a purely Islamic and Sufi way and condemned all syncretism or "interfaith dialogue".
I personally think he did that and chose the safe way because the line between perennialism and counter-initiation is very thin and prone to abuse.

All of his articles were available on his website but were unfortunately all removed after his death (you could try your luck with the wayback machine).

He and a Spanish economist and convert 'Umar Ibrahim Vadillo made Gaddafi buy thousands of tons of gold and silver to establish a new currency free from usury but of course NATO didn't like that and invaded Libya in 2011.

Even if I don't agree with everything he says I find his ideass and influence very interesting. I also find it fascinating that America's leading muslim scholar Hamza Yusuf was once his disciple!

>i've been exploring this idea of integrating sufism with High Ghibellenism lately and I think it might just work.
It's always easier to find something that already works and to stick to it. Good luck nevertheless!

[Anonymous No.20431811]

>>20431498
No no it's just an example of a Ghibellines coat of arms. The band at the top represents the Ghibellines, just as the Guelphs have their own band.

[Anonymous No.20431819]

Could Wagnar be considered /trad/

[Anonymous No.20431850]

>>20431819
He was considered /trad/ in his own lifetime.

[Anonymous No.20431852]

>>20431850
how so?

[Anonymous No.20431923]

>>20427685
This kraut nigga is so obsessed with Guenon/evola. +nicah
Why ?

[Anonymous No.20431972]

>>20431852
German nationalist who is trying to preserve tradition in his artworks while criticising modernity.

Plus his interpretation of Parzival is very similar to Evola's.

[Anonymous No.20431973]

>>20429491
I wonder how hard guys like this are coping with all the errors in the Quran.

[Anonymous No.20431980]

>>20431973
Ugh I know, I was so attracted to Islam for a while before seeing how many errors it had. How can intelligent man like Abdal Hakim Murad possibly have a problem with the Trinity of all things but find no issue in the Quran.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20432071]

>>20431770
>You can read about the criticism he attracted after calling Adolf Hitler a great Mujahid against usury and the Jews.
this looks interesting, thank you
I am interested in all things Hitler
>He then shifted to a purely Islamic and Sufi way and condemned all syncretism or "interfaith dialogue".
>I personally think he did that and chose the safe way because the line between perennialism and counter-initiation is very thin and prone to abuse.
based!
> Gaddafi
wow
Rothschilds and their lapdog Hillary Clinton wouldn't have it!!

okay let me look into this lad some more and i'll reply later tonight or tomorrow

>sufism with High Ghibellenism
interested because the author from 'Sufi of Rome' (Julius Evola table talks book) implied he was initiated into Sufism.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20432078]

>>20431923
https://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20432151]

>>20431770
that link was incredibly based
WAGNER PBUH
HITLER PBUH
JÜNGER PBUH
HEIDEGGER PBUH

[Anonymous No.20432215]

>>20431973
>>20431980
There are no errors in the Quran.
>inb4 muh science!
That changes every decade or so. The Quran is a timeless book. There can be no comparison between the two, even if things in the Quran are "confirmed" by modern science nothing of value would have been added.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQx9LM4TLPE

[Anonymous No.20432326]

>>20431556
>Abdalqadir as-Sufi
intredasting

[Anonymous No.20432345]

Only a small-minded philistine could think there are errors in the Qur'an.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20432372]

Servant of the machine, the man must become a machine himself, and thenceforth his work has nothing really human in it, for it no longer implies the putting to work of any of the qualities that really constitute human nature. The end of all this is what is called in present-day jargon 'mass-production', the purpose of which is only to produce the greatest possible quantity of objects, and of objects as exactly alike as possible, intended for the use of men who are supposed to be no less alike; that is indeed the triumph of quantity, and it is by the same token the triumph of uniformity. These men who are reduced to mere numerical 'units' are expected to live in what can scarcely be called houses, for that would be to misuse the word, but in 'hives' of which the compartments will all be planned on the same model, and furnished with objects made by 'mass-production', in such a way as to cause to disappear from the environment in which the people live every qualitative difference; it is enough to examine the projects of some contemporary architects in order to see that nothing has been exaggerated. What then has happened to the traditional art and science of the ancient builders, or to the ritual rules by which the establishment of cities and of buildings was regulated in normal civilizations? It would be useless to press the matter any further, for one would have to be blind to fail to see the abyss that separates the normal from the modern civilization, and no doubt everyone will agree in recognizing how great the difference is; but that which the vast majority of men now living celebrate as 'progress' is exactly what is now presented to the reader as a profound decadence, continuously accelerating, which is dragging humanity toward the pit where pure quantity reigns.

[Anonymous No.20432380]

>>20432215
>>20432345
How does free will work in the quran. Does it exist?

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20432392]

>>20431973
he literally said in the video that the Quran is not 'complete'
he was talking about how in the Hindu scriptures it deals with Yuga cycles, but you cannot find "what comes next cycle" in the Quran

[Anonymous No.20432498]

>>20432326
He was the Sheikh of the Darqawi-Shadhili-Qadiri Tariqa Sufi order.
You can see him in the middle here.
https://youtu.be/k5sD6BUP6IM?t=140

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20432517]

CHAPTER 21 CAIN AND ABEL
Agricultural vs Nomadic peoples

>Cain is represented in Biblical symbolism as primarily a farmer and Abel as a stockmaster, thus they are the types of the two sorts of people who have existed since the origins of the present humanity, or at least since the earliest differentiation took place, namely that between the sedentary peoples, devoted to the cultivation of the soil, and the nomads, devoted to the raising of flocks and herds. It must be emphasized that these two occupations are essential and primordial in the two human types; anything else is only accidental, derived, or superadded, and to speak of pepole as hunters or fishers for example, as modern ethnologists so often do, is either to mistake the accidental for the essential, or it is to restrict attention to more or less late cases of anomaly or degeneration, such as can be met with in certain savages (but the mainly commercial or industrial peoples of the modern West are by no means less abnormal, though in another way). Each of these two categories naturally had its own traditional law, different from that of the other, and adapted to its way of life and the nature of its occupations; this difference was particularly apparent in the sacrificial rites, hence the special mention made of the vegetable offerings of Cain and the animal offerings of Abel, in the account give in Genesis. As Biblical symbolism in particular is now being considered, it is as well to note at once in that connection that the Hebrew Torah belongs properly to the type of law appropriate to nomadic peoples. Hence the way in which the story of Cain and Abel is presented, for it would appear in different light in the eyes of a sedentary people and would be susceptible of a different interpretation, although the aspects corresponding to the two points of view are of course both included in the profound meaning of the story; this is nothing more than an application of the double meaning of symbols, to which some allusion was made in connection with 'solidification', since this question, as will perhaps appear more clearly from what follows, is closely bound up with the symbolism of the murder of Abel by Cain. The special character of the Hebrew tradition is also responsible for the disapproval that is brought to bear on certain arts and certain trades specially appropriate to sedentary peoples, notably everything connected with the construction of fixed dwellings; at any rate that was the state of affairs until the time when Israel actually ceased, at least for several centuries, to be nomadic, that is, up to the time of David and Solomon, and we know that it was even then necessary to resort to foreign workers for the building of the Temple in Jerusalem.

cont..

[Anonymous No.20432529]

>>20432498
does it really matter which Tariqa you join?

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20432542]

>>20432517
Agricultural Peoples:

>The agricultural peoples, just because they are sedentary, are naturally those who arrive sooner or later at the building of towns; indeed, it is said that the first town was founded by Cain himself; moreover its foundation did not take place till well after the time during which he is said to have been occupied in agriculture, which shows clearly that there are as it were two successive phases in 'sedentarism', the second representing a relatively more pronounced degree of fixity and spatial 'constriction' than the first. it could be said in a general way that the works of sedentary peoples are works of time: these peoples are fixed in space within a strictly limited domain, and develop their activities in a temporal continuity that appears to them to be indefinite. On the other hand, nomadic and pastoral peoples build nothing durable, and do not work for a future that escapes them; but they have space before them, not facing them with any limitation, but on the contrary always offering them new possibilities. In this way is revealed the correspondence of the cosmic principles to which, in another order, the symbolism of Cain and Abel is related: the principle of compression, represented by time, and the principle of expansion, represented by space. In actual fact, both these two principles are manifested simultaneously in time and in space, as in everything else; it is necessary to point this out in order to avoid unduly 'simplified' identifications or assimilations, as well as to resolve occasional apparent oppositions; but it is no less certain than the action of the principle of compression predominates in the temporal condition, and of expansion in the spatial condition. Moreover, time uses up space, if it may be put so; and correspondingly in the course of the ages the sedentary people gradually absorb the nomads; this gives, as indicated above, a social and historical significance to the murder of Abel by Cain.

cont..

[Anonymous No.20432553]

>>20432529
Do you research on Sufi centers that are within reasonable distance.
Make sure it's legit, first and foremost. That is the most important thing. You don't want to join some new age counter-initiatory Sufi cringefaggotry.

[Anonymous No.20432559]

>>20432380
Your will compared to God's will is like a shadow of a tree trying to prevent a boat from moving in the river. It "exists" but is ultimately not real because your own existence is not as real as God.
God exists independently and his will pervades all things.
We only exists because of God's constant sustenance without which we will all go back to being nothingness.
According to Imam Al-Ghazali we vanish and get recreated every instant by God mercy.
That's how he solved the paradox of Zeno of Elea and how any motion or action is possible in this is world even possible.
God is the only actor in this world and in reality he's the only being that really exists.
In a sense the proclamation of faith La Ilah illa Allah. Means there's no reality but the Real.

>And ye will not, unless (it be) that Allah willeth, the Lord of Creation. 81:29
>Were We then worn out by the first creation? Yet they are in doubt about a new creation. 50:15

Try to meditate on these verses.

[Anonymous No.20432560]

>>20427685
yeah some anti-West cretin is important. sure, his theological canon was sound but Guenon shouldn't talk about geopolitics.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20432588]

>>20432542
Nomadic Peoples:

>Nomads direct their activities particularly to the animal kingdom, mobile like themselves; sedentary peoples on the other hand direct them in the first place to the two non-mobile kingdoms, the vegetable and the mineral. Furthermore, it is in the nature of things that sedentary peoples should tend to the making of visual symbols, images made up of various substances, and these images can always be related back, in their essential significance, more or less directly to the geometrical viewpoint, the origin and foundation of all spatial conception. Nomads, on the other hand, to whom images are forbidden, like everything else that might tend to attach them to some definite place, make sonorous symbols, the only symbols compatible with their state of continual migration. it is, however, remarkable that, among the sensible faculties, sight is directly related to space, and hearing to time: the elements of the visual symbol occur simultaneously, and those of the sonorous symbol in succession; so that there is in this respect a kind of reversal of the relations previously considered: but this reversal is in fact necessary so that some equilibrium may be established between the two contrary principles mentioned above, and so that their respective actions may be kept within limits compatible with normal human existence. Thus the sedentary peoples create the plastic arts (architecture, sculpture, painting), the arts consitnig of forms developed in space; the nomads create the phonetic arts (music, poetry), the arts consisting of forms unfolded in time; for, let us say it again, all art is in its origin essentially symbolical and ritual, and only through a late degeneration, indeed a very recent degeneration, has it lost its sacred character so as to become at last the purely profane 'recreation' to which it has been reduced among our contemporaries.

[Anonymous No.20432591]

>>20432553
where would i find a Adawiyya Tariqa?

[Anonymous No.20432606]

>>20432529
There are countless Tariqas and Sheikhs in the thousands
You should choose something that aligns best with your mental constitutions and taste.
Some people find certain tariqas to be "cringe" some make loud and bombastic Dhikr, others make silent Dhikrs. It's truly up to you which way you chose.

If your are truly righteous and try your best with keeping prayers and getting closer to God then surely God will provide you a way to reach him within your capacity.

>When My servant draws close to Me by the span of a palm, I draw close to him by the cubit and when he draws close to Me by the cubit, I draw close to him by the space (covered) by two armspans, and when he comes to me walking, I go in a hurry towards him. (Sahih Muslim)
>What you seek is seeking you (Rumi)

[Anonymous No.20432611]

>>20432606
>What you seek is seeking you (Rumi)
i love Rumi

[Anonymous No.20432646]

>>20432591
>Adawiyya Tariqa
What is this

[Anonymous No.20432671]

>>20432380
There are Quranic verses that seem to support free-will and there are verses that seem to support predestination. Shia Islam rejects both, and adopts "a position between the two." Here is a letter from the tenth Imam, Ali al-Hadi, explaining the position (apologies for mistakes in translation as I did it hastily a while back).
https://pastebin.com/QE5wBGHG

[Anonymous No.20432679]

>>20432611
Maybe you will love the Mawlawi Sufi Order. They have many Zawiya in the US and Europe.
Naqshbandia is based too.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20432686]

>>20432606
which orders hold Al-Khidr in great importance?

[Anonymous No.20432733]

>>20432646
the Sufi order of Sheikh Adi ibn Musafir

[Anonymous No.20432740]

>>20432733
Yezidis?

[Anonymous No.20432749]

>>20432740
i don't think that's exactly the same
not sure if Adawiyya still exist even

[Anonymous No.20432754]

>>20432686
All of them perhaps? I am only familiar with Shadilia Darqawiyya. A while back I found a Naqshbandi website which puts huge emphasis on the figure of Al-Khidr and claims is the same as Saint George in the west.

https://maypoleofwisdom.com/
I suspect that this website is run by a dutch (former?) /lit/ poster.

[Anonymous No.20432758]

>>20432679
thanks, those were the first two i came across actually

[Anonymous No.20432866]

>>20432758
No problem fren <3
Try attending once and see which suits you better.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20432917]

>>20432754
>Shadilia Darqawiyya
oh word, that's dope
how deep are you in the game? how many years?
>Maryamiyya
I still need to go visit Schuon's grave as I promised /lit/ I would deliver photos

[Anonymous No.20432932]

>>20432917
>Maryamiyya
How do Traditionalists cope with the fact that Schuon's 'Sufi order' was a new age syncretic cult? He was obviously not fit to be a shaykh.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20432946]

>>20432932
eh pretty much all /trad/s have some sort of problem with Schuon
nevertheless, he wrote some deeply penetrating stuff and produced some noteworthy followers/students of his own.
>ye shall know them by their fruits

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20433130]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAR38ZBeBDQ

[Anonymous No.20433242]

>>20433130
Based.

[Anonymous No.20433285]

I was raised Sunni Muslim but am not familiar with traditionalism/perennials. Why are you guys so obsessed with Islam? I didn't realize that Islams exoterics was that crazy or different than Christianity that it warranted lots of white people to convert to Islam -- apparently even a lot of neo-traditionalists in the West are Muslim. I don't know anything about what you guys are talking about

[Anonymous No.20433518]

>>20433285
Never take internet intellectuals seriously, its all a big meme

[Anonymous No.20433533]

>>20433285
Read Ibn'Arabi, Al-Farabi, et al. Currently reading the Tree of Being and contemplating the meaning of KUN.

[Anonymous No.20433558]

>>20433130
https://youtu.be/hnnXKmGQ4nI

[Strange Love No.20435055]

>>20432372

>Servant of the machine, the man must become a machine himself

You called me? ^^

[Anonymous No.20435179]

>>20433285
People read Guenon, become obsessed (not without good reason), and then think the only realistically available way to experience spirituality is to convert to Islam. It's kind of pathetic really. But lots of the posters are Muslim as well (they are too afraid to admit it on here though), he has gotten more and more popular in Muslim circles.

[Anonymous No.20435274]

>>20435179
> and then think the only realistically available way to experience spirituality is to convert to Islam.
Guenon never said that, it’s a narrative that played up by certain other traditionalists like Schuon

[Anonymous No.20435337]

>>20433285
It's over. The Araps betrayed God and rebelled against the legitimate khilafa and now it's moving to another people. I wouldn't be surprised if the next Caliph comes from the west.
Prepare ur anus.

[Strange Love No.20435348]

>>20435337

>Prepare ur anus.

Ja guten Tag!

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20435353]

>>20435337
>I wouldn't be surprised if the next Caliph comes from the west.
yeah my dude
the HIGH GHIBELLINE Caliph

[Anonymous No.20435475]

>>20435353
>bombs statue and is replaced with a hoarde of glass stare hairy smelly trashbag thots and towelhead tyrones

[Anonymous No.20435529]

>>20432392
>but you cannot find "what comes next cycle" in the Quran
There is a hadith that makes reference to the different cosmic cycles (pic related, from Guénon).

[Dago from r/The_Donald No.20435648]

>>20431770
I ended up watching hours of his interviews last night
Love this guy

Pumped to read his book tomorrow

[Anonymous No.20435665]

The message of Jesus Christ was one that is AGAINST esoteric knowledge/gnosis. His gospel opened up the Path/Way/Road to all believers, not just those who want to delve into initiatic organizations. The New Testament calls for the destruction of traditionalism and Protestantism is the fulfillment of this object. Many fall from the path of God because they can not handle the responsibility that Protestantism places on the believer.

[Anonymous No.20435670]

objective*

[Anonymous No.20435685]

>>20435665
no one cares

[Anonymous No.20435823]

>>20435670
>cucktolicks
Licks is for lick nigger feet. You get saved if you worship niggers.
>niggercunts
Worship niggers too, but also and chiefly Israel.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20437002]

>>20435529
thanks
Guenon's last chapter in Reign is called 'The End of the World'
I will post some paragraphs form it

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20437240]

THE END OF THE WORLD

>The various matters dealt with in the course of this study together constitute what may, in a general way, be called the ‘signs of the times’ in the Gospel sense, in other words, the precursory signs of the ‘end of a world’ or of a cycle. This end only appears to be the ‘end of the world’, without any reservation or specification of any kind, to those who see nothing beyond the limits of this particular cycle; a very excusable error of perspective it is true, but one that has nonetheless some regrettable consequences in the excessive and unjustified terrors to which it gives rise in those who are not sufficiently detached from terrestrial existence; and naturally they are the very people who form this erroneous conception most easily, just because of the narrowness of their point of view. In truth there can be many ‘ends of the world’, because there are cycles of very varied duration, contained as it were one within another, and also because this same notion can always be applied analogically at all degrees and at all levels; but it is obvious that these ‘ends’ are of very unequal importance, as are the cycles themselves to which they belong; and in this connection it must be acknowledged that the end now under consideration is undeniably of considerably greater importance than many others, for it is the end of a whole ‘Manvantara’, and so of the temporal existence of what may rightly be called a humanity, but this, it must be said once more, in no way implies that it is the end of the terrestrial world itself, because, through the ‘rectification’ that takes place at the final instant, this end will itself immediately become the beginning of another ‘manavantara’.

[Anonymous No.20437261]

>>20435529
What book of his is this from?

[Anonymous No.20437440]

>>20437261
traditional forms and cosmic cycles, the chapter on adam

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20437550]

>>20437240
>While on this subject, there is yet one more point needing to be explained more precisely: the partisans of ‘progress’ have a habit of saying that the ‘golden age’ is not in the past but in the future; nevertheless the truth is that so far as our own ‘Manvantara’ is concerned it is in the past, for it is nothing other than the ‘primordial state’ itself. There is a sense however in which it is both in the past and in the future, but only on condition that attention is not confined to the present Manvantara but it extended to include the succession of terrestrial cycles, for insofar as the future is concerned nothing but the ‘golden age’ of another ‘Manvantara’ can possibly be in question; it is therefore separated from our period by a ‘barrel’ completely insurmountable to the profane people who say that sort of thing, and they have no idea what they are talking about when they announce the near approach of a ‘new age’ as being one with which the existing humanity will be concerned. Their error, in its most extreme form, will be that of the Antichrist himself when he claims to bring the ‘golden age’ into being through the reign of the ‘counter-tradition’, and when he even gives it an appearance of authenticity, purely deceitful and ephemeral though it be, by means of a counterfeit of the traditional idea of the Sanctum Regnum; this makes clear the reason for the aforesaid preponderant part played by ‘evolutionist’ conceptions in all the ‘pseudo-traditions’ and although these ‘pseudo-traditions’ are still but very partial and very feeble ‘prefigurations’ of the ‘counter-tradition’, yet they are no doubt unconsciously contributing more directly than anything else to the preparations for its arrival. The ‘barrier’ recently alluded to, which in a sense compels those for whom it exists to confine themselves entirely to the interior of the present cycle, is of course a still more insuperable obstacle to the representatives of the ‘counter-initiation’ than it is to those who are merely profane, for the former are oriented wholly toward dissolution, and so they above all are those for whom nothing can exist outside the present cycle, and it is therefore more particularly for them that the end of the cycle must really be the ‘end of the world’ in the most complete sense that the expression can bear.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20437692]

>>20437550
>This raises another question on which a few words should be said, although an answer is really contained implicitly and some of the considerations previously dealt with, and it is this:
>To what extent are the people who most fully represent the “Counter-Initiation” effectively conscious of the part they are playing, and to what extent are they on the other hand but the tools of a will surpassing their own and therefore hidden from them, so they be inescapably subordinated to it? In accordance with what has been said above, the limits between the two points of view from which their action can be envisaged is necessarily determined by the limits of the spiritual world, into which they can in no way penetrate; they may possess a knowledge of the possibilities of the “intermediary world” as extensive as anyone cares to think, but this knowledge will nevertheless always be irremediably falsified by the absence of the spirit, which alone could give it it’s true meaning. Obviously such beings can never be mechanists or materialists, nor even partisans of “progress” or “evolutionists” in the popular sense of the words, and when they promulgate in the world the ideas which these words express, they are practicing a conscious deceit; but these ideas concern only the merely negative “anti-tradition“, which for them is but a means and not an end, and they could, just like anyone else, sit to excuse their deception by saying that “the end justifies the means“. Their error is of a much more profound order than that of the men who they influence and to whom they apply “suggestion“ by means of those ideas, for it arises and no other way then as the consequence of the total invincible ignorance of the true nature of all spirituality; this makes it much more difficult to say exactly up to what point they may be conscious of the falsity of the “counter tradition“ they aim at setting up, for they may really believe that in doing so they are opposing the spirit as manifested in every normal and regular tradition, and that they are situated on the same level as those who represented in this world; and in this sense the antichrist must surely be the most “diluted “of all beings. This delusion has its root in the “dualist“ error referring to earlier; dualism is found in one form or another in all beings whose horizon does not extend beyond certain limits even if the limits are those of the entire manifested world; such people cannot resolve the duality they see In all things lying within those limits by referring it to a superior principle, and so they think that it is really irreducible and are there by a web to a denial of the supreme unity, which indeed for them is as if it were not.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20437696]

>>20437692
>For this reason it has not been possible to say that the representatives of the “Counter Initiation” are in the end the dupes of the part they themselves are playing, and that their delusion is in truth the worst delusion of all, since it is positively the only one where by a being can be not merely lead more or less seriously astray, but actually irremediably lost; nonetheless, if they were not so diluted they would clearly not be fulfilling a function that must be fulfilled, like every other function, so that the divine plan may be accomplished in this world.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20438044]

>>20437696
This leads back to the consideration of the twofold, or 'benefic' and 'malefic' aspect of the whole history of the world, seen as a cyclic manifestation; and this is really the 'key' to all traditional explanations of the conditions under which this manifestation is developed, especially when it is being considered, as at present, in the period leading directly to its end. On the one hand, if this manifestation is imply taken by itself, without relating it to a much greater whole, the entire process from its beginning to its end is clearly a progressive 'descent' or 'degradation', and this is what may be called its 'malefic' aspect; but, on the other hand, the same manifestation, when put back into the whole of which it is a part, produces results that have a truly 'positive' result in universal existence; and its development must be carried right to the end, so as to include a development of the inferior possibilities of the 'dark age', in order that the 'integration' of those results may become possible and may become the immediate principle of another cycle of manifestation; this is what constitutes its 'benefic' aspect. The same applies when the very end of the cycle is considered: from the special point of view of that which must then be destroyed because its manifestation is finished and as it were exhausted, the end is naturally 'catastrophic' in the etymological sense, in which the word evokes the idea of a sudden and irretrievable 'fall'; but, on the other hand, from the point of view according to which manifestation, in disappearing as such, is brought back to its principle so far as all that is positive in its existence is concerned, this same end appears on the contrary as the 'rectification' whereby, as explained, all things are no less suddenly re-established in their 'primordial state.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20438049]

>>20438044
>Moreover this can be applied analogically to all degrees, whether a being or a world is in question: in short, it is always the partial point of view that is 'malefic', and the point of view that is total, or relatively total with respect to the other, that is 'benefic', because all possible disorders are only disorders when they are considered in themselves and 'separatively', and because these partial disorders are completely effaced in the presence of the total order into which they are finally merged, constituting, when stripped of their 'negative' aspect, elements in that order comparable to all others; there is indeed nothing that is 'malefic' except the limitation that necessarily conditions all contingent existence, and this limitation as such has in reality but a purely negative existence. The two points of view, respectively 'benefic' and 'malefic', have been spoken of earlier as if they were in some way symmetrical; but it is easy to understand that they are nothing of the kind, and that the second signifies only something that is unstable and transitory, whereas only that which the first represents has a permanent and positive character, so that the 'benefic' aspect cannot but prevail in the end, while the 'malefic' aspect vanishes completely because it was in reality only an illusion inherent in 'separativity. Nevertheless, the truth is that it then becomes no longer proper to use the word 'benefic' any more than the word 'malefic', for the two terms are essentially essentially correlative and cannot properly be used to indicate an opposition when it no longer exists, for it belongs, like all oppositions, exclusively to a particular relative and limited domain; as soon as the limits of that domain are overstepped, there is only that which is, and which cannot not be, or be other than it is; and so it comes about that, if one does not stop short of the most profound order of reality, it can be said in all truth that the 'end of a world' never is and never can be anything other than an illusion.

[dago !deClb9SBC. No.20438063]

ok that's it for the final chapter of Reign of Quantity

Sorry for wall-of-textposting, but I figured some people haven't read it and may be of interest.

I'm a sleepyboi and if this thread is alive tomorrow morning I will highlight and discuss some certain bits from this chapter

[Anonymous No.20438158]

>>20435670
>no initiatic Traditions
>plebian/jewish origins and completely foreign to Europe
gay

[Anonymous No.20438587]

>>20435529
Source for the hadith??

[Anonymous No.20439904]

>>20438587

not that anon but this is what I found

>Various Sufis, especially Sultan Bahu, a famous 17th-century mystic of the Qadiriyya, a Sufi order, advocated this theory. In one of his writings, he wrote,
>“Once Allah SWT (God) said to the Prophet “O Muhammad I created an Adam before I created your father Adam, whom I gave a life of thousand years. Then I created fifteen thousand Adams all of whom I gave a life of ten thousand years. After that I created your Adam.” (Sahih Hadith)
>According to that statement, the pre-Adamic era lasted for 150,001,000 years.

[Anonymous No.20440009]

>>20435665
Protestantism makes the individual the final authority on scripture. Rainbow churches are a natural consequence of the reformation.

[Anonymous No.20440042]

>>20440009
It just divides the people into rainbow churches and very strict fundamentalist churches, each one seeing themselves as the true believers and others perverters of scripture.

[Anonymous No.20440181]

Guenon's chapter on Anonymity said I am a Saint of Kek

[Anonymous No.20440185]

>>20433285
Perennialist here. Don't focus on Islam but Guenon had too much shwarma for his own good

[Anonymous No.20440982]

>>20440042
>each one seeing themselves as the true believers and others perverters of scripture
>As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.
>For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not
>For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Both rainbow churches and fundie churches are insufferably self-righteous. How you can read the Gospel and not come away with PROFOUND moral and epistemic humility is unknowable to me.