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Eh, I wasn't the biggest fan of this book. The authors argue that in today's society, there is a crisis of masculinity because we have gotten away from ancient traditions centered around the four archetypes that make up the book title. However, their evidence is shaky at best. They describe these archetypes and their historical/cultural background well. But they don't offer many reasons why we should necessarily be following these archetypes beyond the fact that they're old and they generally sound cool sometimes. There isn't much empirical evidence to support the supposed ancient wisdom. It's seriously just like, "Shit's old. It's gotta be right." Well, guess what? Prejudice against darker-skinned people is old as shit too but that doesn't mean it's right. Sexism is old as shit but that doesn't mean it's right. Exploitation is old as shit... blah blah you get the point.

The authors also make some problematic statements. There are a couple statements that lead me to believe they may be Islamophobic. Their claim that Islam inherently tends towards aggressive Warrior energy is undermined by their conflation of mainstream Muslims with extremist jihadists. They also make dangerous though typical claims about history and sacrifices made in the name of progress, which at times seems to justify human atrocities and brutal injustice all for seeming "progress." Then in their conclusion, they start talking about a cultural attack on men and how we have to defend ourselves from feminists, which makes them sound like dumbass men's rights activists. The whole book, I'm still generally with them like, "OK, there is a crisis in masculinity. Let us turn inward." Then in the last chapter, they start blaming outer forces? Why did I just read this book? Like, are you guys seriously blaming gender equality for this "attack on men"? Maybe it's that society has progressed and men need to progress our masculinity to adapt and let go of patriarchal ways.

>> No.20389386

Your bait is shit, you already posted it in some other thread, get a life

>> No.20389387

>>20389382
>Prejudice against darker-skinned people is old as shit too but that doesn't mean it's right. Sexism is old as shit but that doesn't mean it's right.
...
at least take an example like bloodletting

>> No.20389405

>>20389386
If you have nothing nice to say, don't post at all.

>> No.20389417

>>20389382
Is this copy pasta from some brownoid roasties Goodreads review?

>> No.20389515

>>20389382
Unironically very good points. This will filter lit because of the polfugees

>> No.20389517

>>20389515
Congratulations, not only did you take an obvious bait seriously, but on top of that you agreed with its purposefully retarded points.

>> No.20389519

>>20389517
>the points are retarded but I can't refute a single one because I'd sound like a ridiculous pol baby

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20389561

>There are a couple statements that lead me to believe they may be Islamophobic.
nah i think you're imagining things

>> No.20389592

>>20389519
Why would I need to?
But here's one, providing example such as "sexism bad", "racism bad" to refute what is perceived as ad antiquitatems is in itself retarded, as no one needs to be explained that everything wasn't perfect before, it's simply common sense.

Especially when the arguments he tried to refute are in no way ad antiquitatem but an appeal to tradition. (Which is justified not because it's old, but because it's long lasting)

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20389604

>>20389592
>falling for obvious bait

>> No.20389786

>>20389382
Lmao good bait

>> No.20390943

king warrior, magician, nephew

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>>20389382

>> No.20391085

>>20389386
/thread

>> No.20392317

>>20389515
This

>> No.20394034

/lit/ is triggered that someone on this board reads

>> No.20394603

>>20389386
/thread