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/wg/ Writing General Anonymous Tue May 17 21:21:07 2022 No.20383763 [Reply] [Original]

Don't you wish people would actually write good books for once in this general edition?

For General Writing
>The Rhetoric of Fiction, Booth
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway
>Steering the Craft, Le Guin
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>How Fiction Works, Wood

YouTube Playlists for Writing
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay Robert Butler
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc [Embed] [Embed] [Open] [Open] [Open] [Open] Brandon Sanderson

Technical Aspects of Writing
>Garner's Modern English Usage, Garner
>What Editors Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Editing, Ginna
>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, Tufte

Books Analyzing Literature
>Poetics, Aristotle
>Hero With a Thousand Faces, Campbell
>The Art Of Dramatic Writing: Its Basis in the Creative Interpretation of Human Motives, Egri
>The Weekend Novelist, Ray

Traditional Publishing
>don’t
>you make 10-15% profit max
>self publishing you make 70%+
>they’ll still require you to do all the leg work of a self published author anyways

Self Publishing Options
>https://archiveofourown.org/
>https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/
>https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/writinglife
>https://www.royalroad.com/
>https://www.scribblehub.com/
>https://www.wattpad.com/

Self Publishing How-To
>https://selfpublishingwithdale.com/

Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, Mason

Anime Writing (^･o･^)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on26mKakgs [Embed] [Embed] [Open] [Open] [Open] [Open]
>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-Story

For advertising
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg
/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

Anonymous Tue May 17 21:37:53 2022 No.20383834

The reason most people these days only write fantasy is because they haven't studied any of Western literature. None of these newnigger writers could tell you the major differences between Epicurus and Aristotle and how each influenced Christianity even if they tried

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 21:38:44 2022 No.20383838 >>20383834 shut up demiurgist cuck read pistis sophia

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 21:43:42 2022 No.20383862 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HsLfrpEAfB8 Ok how do I get on this podcast? And holy shit F Gardner has 3k views???

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 21:43:52 2022 No.20383863 >>20383834 It's all Greek to me.

Anonymous Tue May 17 21:51:05 2022 No.20383885
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How do I expand this chapter? It's only 1500 words, and feels inadequate. Should I expand the exposition? Have some cops bust inside and arrest him?

Only thing that I can think of is him leaving and witnessing a protest outside the establishment by a bunch of anti-prostitute advocates. but that seems better for another chapter

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:05:51 2022 No.20383944 >>20383834 >Christianity yahweh isn't god and his schizophrenic self proclaimed messiah yeshua ben yosef isn't god either

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:10:42 2022 No.20383960 >>20383885 have him get a handy from Ling for tree fiddy

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:20:58 2022 No.20383989 I am going to make it! Are You?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:24:40 2022 No.20383997 >>20383989 Yes What do you consider making it? I don't think you'll exceed my goal of 500 books the first month.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:26:14 2022 No.20383999 >>20383834 I figure they write fantasy because it's popular and it sells. I have an idea for a fantasy novel, but I don't think its subject matter will be popular. I have other works on my mind anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:27:35 2022 No.20384001 >>20383997 Why engage in negging? Why not be encouraging? Or maybe share the secret of your success? Or was it just luck?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:31:11 2022 No.20384005 >>20383960 anon, Ling is a little girl.

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:32:13 2022 No.20384009
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>>20383885
I don't really see this as a "chapter" the word "scene" comes to mind, though. Why would the cops bust /him/ and not the prostitutes? Some of the wording is a tad confusing, like when you mention reigns. It makes it feel like they jerked forward two feet and stopped suddenly. What does "trekking higher" mean? Does he not pay the prostitute bc he would be spending too much? If he's so entranced by the women why doesn't he just do it? Now with the hens. The madame offers to buy hens for 50 cents a peice, but earlier he says he has enough to purchase only 3 hens. How much does a live hen cost? And why would he turn around and only sell them for 50 cents. Maybe I'm retarded, but maybe you are as well. Maybe this scene is just too far out of context to even criticize. Anyway, keep writing.
>>20383863
Good thing you started with the Greeks.. you did start with them, right, anon?

Ok fellas here's where the autism kicks into overdrive. Only got time for one story so I'll let you all pick.
1) Ghost falls in love with a woman who moves into his house, proceeds to, over months, pretend to himself that they're dating, only to eventually be cucked by her new boyfriend, making him fall deeper into the rabbit hole of his delusion, eventually loving it because it makes her happy.
or
2) Man signs up for one way trip into space to map the cosmos as he goes along and radio the info back to earth only to find the communicator(or some other diabolus ex machina) has broken and he is left alone. He turns inwards to his philosophy and existentialism as he hurdles deeper into space wondering why, if he already knew he was going to die, did this now hurt so much more than before.

Anyway thanks for reading my blog. Would love feedback on developing these further as well as your take on which one is better

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:33:36 2022 No.20384015

>>20383999
I think fantasy is shifting away. The manchildren aren't as excited for Marvel movies, or the newest fantasy cape shit. Lord of the Rings, Eternals, Witcher, and all those fantasy shows aren't all that talked about. I'm hitching my horse on Historical fiction.

Pseudo manchildren want to feel mature and smug when telling everyone how much they understand history.

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:33:54 2022 No.20384017

>>20384001
I only return was has been given to me anon. I was at first, about 1.5 years ago, very friendly.
If I'm shitty towards you anons, it's because I was first shit on. Eat shit.
Also, answer the question, thanks.
>What do you consider making it?

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:35:34 2022 No.20384020

Just finished editing a weird fantasy horror-ish story.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/54355/dread-within-and-without/chapter/909122/the-prison

If you don't want to give views to potentially poor writing, feel free to read here also:
https://pastebin.com/BDaYGi8w

Happy for any feedback anyone feels like giving. If you like weird fiction, you'll probably like this.

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:36:13 2022 No.20384025

>>20383885
Think about your intentions. Based on what you have so far, I would say your intentions are:
a) introduce Hutch
b) introduce the prostitutes
b) introduce Madame Toy
c) introduce Ling
d) setup future scene between Toy and Hutch
e) setup future scene between Toy and Ling

One thing that's missing is Hutch's motivations. You need not be explicit about them, but you should at least hint at:
a) why Hutch decides to go the prostitutes to sell eggs
b) why Hutch is selling eggs in the first place
c) why Hutch foregoes purchasing a night with the prostitute
d) why the Madam would be willing to buy eggs from him

There's also not much at stake here for any of the characters. Hutch already seems to have made his quota at the beginning, so the question whether he makes a sale or not with the Madam has no suspense.

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:37:28 2022 No.20384028

>>20384009
>The madame offers to buy hens for 50 cents a peice, but earlier he says he has enough to purchase only 3 hens. How much does a live hen cost? And why would he turn around and only sell them for 50 cents. Maybe I'm retarded, but maybe you are as well
Thanks. I am retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:39:01 2022 No.20384035 >>20384015 Is fantasy really shifting away? Good...then maybe my non-fantasy work will have a chance to get noticed. If I hear about LitRPG one more time, I think I'm gonna scream.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:40:59 2022 No.20384040 >>20384005 I mean, she could give him a blowjob, instead, if you want.

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:41:10 2022 No.20384041

>>20384017
Nah, I'm not going to sink to your level.
You are literally "but mom, Pseudy started it".
Grow up, grow a spine, and grow some balls.
And to me, "making it" involves being able to quit my day job & write full-time.
That takes far more than 500 books per month.

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:42:26 2022 No.20384046

>>20384015
>Lord of the Rings, Eternals, Witcher, and all those fantasy shows aren't all that talked about.
My brother is a big Marvel Stan and he said the new Dr. Strange was good but "regular old Marvel" and he wanted something new and more interesting.
>I'm hitching my horse on Historical fiction.
I'm there myself but only in spirit. Is it historical fiction if you're borrowing the era, but making up the land, major landmarks, names, events, and culture exchanges?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:43:05 2022 No.20384050 >>20384005 So you never saw 1978's "Pretty Baby", starring a very young Brooke Shields?

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:44:06 2022 No.20384056

>>20384035
who knows, but i'm just feeling it. Zombies died out, as well as magic blasting overpowewred shit. If anything, I see fantasy be more grounded in reality, just a sword and board fighting against giant monsters. No special spells, no secret artifacts, etc. Just a bunch of regular dudes using tactics and intelligence to bring down the biggest monsters.

Anonymous Tue May 17 22:52:27 2022 No.20384078

>>20384009
First story reminds me of a movie where the ghost is literally a just an actor under a bedsheet. I dislike the premise on principle. It stinks too much of incel. The second one reminds me of Aniara and is something where you'd need to play around with the form to keep my interest. The standard realistic short story form feels like it would be boring for that. iirc Aniara was written in epic verse. Maybe the form is a lecture given by alien anthropologists who intercepted the radio transmissions. That would add another layer of irony to the whole thing. Or maybe its a series of video recordings rendered as prose, as if it were being told from the computer/ship's point of view. And so on.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:53:25 2022 No.20384083 any good writing podcasts?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:56:30 2022 No.20384093 >>20384041 >Grow up, grow a spine, and grow some balls. Stop whining, I'll do as I please. >And to me, "making it" involves being able to quit my day job & write full-time. Very good goal.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:57:31 2022 No.20384097 I'm writing samples of opening sentences until I feel like something is worthy of staying on the page. I'll write perhaps 20 before I keep one, or as many as I need.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 22:58:28 2022 No.20384101 >>20384093 Well, at least consider not being part of the problem. We have enough seething schizo samefagging stalker pseuds here.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:01:01 2022 No.20384107 >>20384083 Sanderson's lectures are pretty good, but he's very monotone and his writing on the board is atrocious.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:01:09 2022 No.20384109 File: 22 KB, 500x500, all edge no point.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20384017 neck yourself niggerfaggot

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:04:13 2022 No.20384120 >>20384083 I enjoy watching this youtuber girl Jenna Moraci. She's good in making videos, even though her writing is shit. She is one of those writers that have great tips, suggestions, and general advice, but can't write for shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:05:34 2022 No.20384124 >>20384120 You know how it is Those can't do, teach ...And those CAN do probably can't teach for shit

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:10:37 2022 No.20384132 >>20384020 This was really different, but I enjoyed it. Good job anon

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:15:27 2022 No.20384141 >>20384025 It's the middle of the book, but I do see what you mean about having no stakes.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:28:14 2022 No.20384179 >>20384056 The new thing is Incest. Ever since GoT, incest has been popular.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:32:40 2022 No.20384188 >>20384101 Yes, but my response to whether or not I give it to you is entirely dependent on what genre you write. If you answer incorrectly, I won’t tell you the podcast.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:33:20 2022 No.20384191 >>20384109 You're not helping. >>20384179 Ugh. No incest. If my mom can't read it, I don't wanna write it. OK, I'm out...day-jobbery and all that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:34:40 2022 No.20384194 >>20384188 What podcast? And I'm not limited by genre. Talk to you again in 20 hours.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:47:19 2022 No.20384239 >>20384194 Tell me your genre(s) then. I will not be dodged.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:48:07 2022 No.20384246 are chairs allowed in military ceremonies?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:51:45 2022 No.20384256 >>20384246 Don’t write about things you’re not well versed in.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 17 23:54:55 2022 No.20384270 >>20384020 That cover art is badass. Did you make that?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 00:07:51 2022 No.20384313 >>20384020 I like it. It's interesting and the themes of horror really emanated.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 00:14:36 2022 No.20384329 >>20383763 Epic thumbnail

Anonymous Wed May 18 00:14:53 2022 No.20384331

>>20384025
>One thing that's missing is Hutch's motivations. You need not be explicit about them, but you should at least hint at:
>a) why Hutch decides to go the prostitutes to sell eggs
>b) why Hutch is selling eggs in the first place
>c) why Hutch foregoes purchasing a night with the prostitute
>d) why the Madam would be willing to buy eggs from him
Thanks. I'll address these questions in the passage. Primarily it's because he has two partners ready to kick his ass for wasting money on hookers.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 00:24:03 2022 No.20384355 I got my opening paragraph done, only a little over 200 paragraphs to go until I’m finished. A paragraph a day will mean this will take less than 6 months. 2 paragraphs a day, 3 months. Etc etc. It’s easier to think of this way.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 00:24:51 2022 No.20384357 >>20384331 You only need to address these if they haven't already been established before (it doesn't hurt to touch on them again to remind the reader if it's been a while since they were introduced however).

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 00:35:57 2022 No.20384397 >>20384256 How am I supposed to write anything at all?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 00:59:21 2022 No.20384461 >>20384397 Learn more if you’re not versed in anything. Surely you’ve read a good book or studied a subject in depth?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 01:22:10 2022 No.20384503 Does the read aloud feature on Google docs count as reading out loud? I have no friends willing to read my book aloud.

Anonymous Wed May 18 01:51:37 2022 No.20384554
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Her head was directly underneath the golden light of day, producing the impressionistic illusion, momentary as it is, that would lead the inattentive eye to describe her as blonde, which she actually wasn't. With or without the light, this was the result of the natural archetypal image she embodied, if primarily in spirit, the blondness that one would naturally expect to conclude her perfectly groomed appearance, like the brain that expects the next note to seamlessly flow into a piano composition. Her hair was cut at the neck's length, a characteristically feminine voluminous style, yet still elegant, cascading in curtains of a caramel-tinged brown silk, beautifully shiny in this blended, subdued way. The collar of a pristine white dress shirt protruded from a black sweater as sable as pitch, a black and white pairing reminiscent of the keys in a piano, the predominant blacks in their perfect pentatonic scale, playing the flats and the sharps, the flats that could so powerfully conclude a phrase when sustained. And of that sustain she was the physical embodiment. Like the simple crystal glass of champagne, not ornate with detailed carvings but a smooth thin cylinder, filled with the liquid of the amber spectrum that when held against light would also turn blonde, and from its bubbles and color produce its attention-grabbing radiance. It was in her deliberate refinement that her seemingly bland image was uplifted into an energetic aura. As in the automatic stimulation of music, that transports you into an entire emotional context, your brain instinctively knew the collective ideas associated to her. The freshness in the smell of perfume and clean clothes, the tidy and careful organization of her affairs, much like the memorized nature of her knowledge spheres, her beautiful calligraphy and words pronounced in the Queen's English exiting roseate lips delineated in a self-satisfied feline smirk.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 01:54:55 2022 No.20384561 >"-IGGGEEEEEEERR!!!!" said Satan. >Jamal detonated.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 02:10:14 2022 No.20384603 >>20383763 Book that talks about how to write proper non-fiction? As in a history.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 03:14:55 2022 No.20384734 Generally speaking, should lore be in the background instead of info dumped and somewhat hidden from the reader until they are more receptive, I.e. when they seek out answers in little hints?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 03:25:32 2022 No.20384753 >>20384017 >If I'm shitty towards you anons, it's because I was first shit on. Very petty of you.

Anonymous Wed May 18 04:51:42 2022 No.20384915

Thoughts?
Do I have what it takes to be a smidge better than garbage tier? Probably not… but I hope you found some enjoyment from it.

Shall I describe the autumn just fallen?
More abundant and bountiful than last:
Its lease leaving each day more important,
The eleventh, the best endowed, depart.
The bright eye bestowed but too often dimmed
When the fairest decline in perfection;
But dearest summer, she’s often left slimmed
Wandering in nature’s fluctuation.
Eternal slumber in fall’s dénouement;
But death does not bind the nomadic shade
And perpetual lines brag of new dawn
After sailing divine storms, unafraid.
Fair autumn may sallow: ever mature,
My verse will retain our youth, evermore.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 05:38:41 2022 No.20385003 File: 64 KB, 360x861, bb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Could you criticise me? (I am ESL fag tho).

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 05:45:49 2022 No.20385021 >>20383834 Society tends to not follow the same idealism. They diverge and seek other sources of pleasure. What was once fun in the past is now expertly deconstructed and analysed. This is not fun.

Anonymous Wed May 18 05:48:39 2022 No.20385024

For a lenght of time I attempted to write fiction without plot, producing ’crappy’ vignettes that lead to nothing. Now I’m fixated on outlining and then writing on top of the outline but now I produce dull and contrived writing that does not inspire me to keep on. I got plenty of ideas but they’re all stuck in the mud. How to get out of this?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 05:49:37 2022 No.20385028 >keep getting "post successful" only for post not to appear ahhhhhhhhhh

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 05:50:35 2022 No.20385030 >>20385024 Write exclusively short-stories like Borges

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 06:47:30 2022 No.20385179 Hey, does anybody remember a short excerpt some anon posted where he used all these made-up funny words to describe some everyday things? He only posted a few paragraphs IIRC, but it was very funny. I can't seem to find it now.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 07:26:35 2022 No.20385269 >>20384313 >>20384270 >>20384132 Damn guys. Didn't expect such good feedback on it. Thanks a lot. Welcome to more feedback as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:05:23 2022 No.20385361 File: 9 KB, 405x344, 1629714838076.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20383763 >try to write fantasy folk music and sea shanties >it's all super fucking cringe

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:17:03 2022 No.20385385 >>20385361 who cares if its cringe? if you like it then it adds to the real feeling of your story

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:18:41 2022 No.20385389 How do you turn characters who are walking plot devices back into characters

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:20:09 2022 No.20385393 File: 303 KB, 1600x900, cada068e-95ca-4f70-a409-ed441d13ed67.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20385389 Hopes Fears Motivation Three dimensions of a good character.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:24:22 2022 No.20385405 >>20385361 >lyrics Learn more theory. Add some inversions.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:26:20 2022 No.20385408 >>20384020 do you fuckers really write on RR? What a shitty fanfiction site. You should be embarrassed

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:39:42 2022 No.20385451 >Eggplant and Emily Project arriving tomorrow Cant wait to read these now.

Anonymous Wed May 18 08:40:22 2022 No.20385456

As he continued treading on, the tunnel got darker, its shadows engulfing every last bit of moonlight that dared to enter. "A hundred steps, and then I turn left. Then twenty more and I look to the right" he kept repeating to himself. A few moments later, Arki noticed a dark silhouette in the distance. He drew his sword and proceeded with even more caution than before. As he got closer, the silhouette got clearer and an awful stench filled the air.

The atmosphere reeked of death and decay, making Arki dizzy and nauseous. The man before him had been dead for days, if not a whole week. Signs of decomposition had already set in. His face was covered by flesh feasting roaches and his gut was wide open, with dried blood covering his whole body. Arki took a closer look and he found that his bowels had been removed. The cuts extended precisely from his twelfth rib to the pelvis, with fang punctures at the edge of the incision.

Everything matched with the stories that Arki had heard. A swamp beast the size of a horse had escaped the circus to the southwest of the city, making its lair in the sewers that resembled its home habitat. Bodies would be found floating in the canals, often without their intestines or a liver. Panic had ensued in Kadesh, with the sewers being shut and parties sent by the Elyrian Guard to hunt the beast.

The evidence had Arki worrying. What if they sent me to my death? No... can’t be, they wouldn’t dare throw away a valuable asset like that, would they? he thought. But then again, something about this story didn’t seem quite right with him. If the smugglers wanted to get rid of him, surely they’d come up with something more… efficient. They must have expected Arki to be aware of all the rumors of the beast floating around.

Anonymous Wed May 18 08:43:32 2022 No.20385461

>>20385456
>As he continued |or| treaded on, not both
>shadows engulfing the moonlight that leaked in/ removed 'its', 'every last bit of', 'dared to enter' (doesn't make sense, even in personification)
>he repeated to himself
>Moments later,
>silhouette, no dark. Redundant

Last two sentences of the first paragraph are just rough in general here. Cut them down and tidy up.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:44:31 2022 No.20385463 >>20385393 MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW PSSSSSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSSSSS MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:53:39 2022 No.20385494 >>20385389 Give them personality that's at best only partially relevant to their plot device nature.

Anonymous Wed May 18 08:55:57 2022 No.20385498
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Dad sent me an article this morning about a fella breaking Kindle sales records. Checked him out, he's a wuxia novelist who got into the Kindle game in 2013. His fans made a forum where they're constantly discussing his books and his kickstarter broke $760k from its original $10k goal.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/author-will-wight/fantasy-novels-cradle-1-3-by-will-wight
I'm inspired but also dejected. If I go the self pub route and start a community like this, will I ever get world recognition if I never trad pub? Is recognition all anyone ever really wants and is that such a bad thing to want in the end?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 08:59:54 2022 No.20385511 >>20385498 Andy Weir self-published The Martian at first. It got picked up for traditional publishing 3 years later, admittedly, but it's still a thing. Self-publishing or serialised webnovels or whatever are absolutely fine roads to try.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 09:00:20 2022 No.20385512 >>20385498 It's not wrong to want recognition, but generally, recognition follows money.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 09:02:46 2022 No.20385520 >>20385451 >Wasting money on shitty books by first time novelists Why? They're both going to be filled with prose, grammar, and syntax issues. I'll even predict both will be worse than call of the Crocodile

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 09:41:53 2022 No.20385673 >>20384020 >https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/54355/dread-within-and-without/chapter/909122/the-prison You weren't wrong with the 'weird' label. I enjoyed the story though. It was a fun romp.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 10:20:31 2022 No.20385792 File: 331 KB, 570x1017, 1652328168166.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20385498 >I earned a Master’s of Fine Arts in Creative Writing The absolute state of MFA grads.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 10:20:34 2022 No.20385793 I don't really get what /writing/ is for. Nobody really helps or supports anyone else here. It's mostly people sharing their work and getting ignored. It almost feels like you're an asshole for even bothering to link to your work.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 10:23:24 2022 No.20385809 >>20385793 Dude people have linked several pieces itt and gotten critique or positive feedback

Anonymous Wed May 18 10:23:26 2022 No.20385810

>>20385793
There's only really one guy here who got butthurt because someone made fun of his gay story about two guys buttfucking each other in the English woods (or whatever) and it's now his crusade to be as destructive a force as possible to everyone he can. This general used to be better a couple years ago, but people take criticism personally and from that make actual personal attacks on others, creating a negative feedback loop of thin-skinned pansies who won't let you have a constructive space unless you're nice about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 10:32:10 2022 No.20385840 >>20385793 What are you talking about? Hell his guy got critique >>20383885 That said, most critiques have little context so it's difficult to critique a passage without reading what he wrote earlier.

Anonymous Wed May 18 10:41:08 2022 No.20385869

>>20385498
i finished the first book, there's 10 in the series and i think there's more to come
its prose is simple
the story is heavily influenced by anime and shonen jump
it's about chinese heroes. i think that might have something to with its success, if they chinese are buying it
the author is making enough money to hire a team: assistant, editor, line editor, etc
i'd give it a 4 out of 5

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 10:41:33 2022 No.20385872 >>20385520 Ive talked with the authors on the general during their projects, I mean why not? Its not like comitting to reading a RR series.

Anonymous Wed May 18 10:42:33 2022 No.20385874

>>20385810
>This general used to be better a couple years ago
This general was unusable a few years ago. Everyone was crying about how they'll never make it. No one posted anything. Everyone was just looking for pats on the back and encouragement. It was a sad circle of sad people being sad. The steps /wg/ has made even in the last 9 months have been truly incredible.
Also, what negative feedback loop of thin skinned pansies? The one guy who got buttblasted and the occasional anon who provides context for his critics who then say he's just ignoring the criticism? Plenty of people here get their works dunked on and they say thanks, now let's talk more about what gave you this reaction.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:18:38 2022 No.20386036 >>20385874 >Everyone was crying about how they'll never make it. No one posted anything. Everyone was just looking for pats on the back and encouragement. It was a sad circle of sad people being sad. What happened to these people?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:21:37 2022 No.20386053 >>20385673 someone explain why we aren't shitting on this shit, but some other guy who sought genuine advice is getting dunked on?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:22:38 2022 No.20386059 >>20386036 They never made it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:30:53 2022 No.20386079 >>20384020 >was written in 2011 and posted without cleaning up Why do so many add disclaimers like this, pre-emptively making up excuses before the story has even started? I don't want to read shit, so of course I close the tab after that.

Anonymous Wed May 18 11:31:24 2022 No.20386082

>>20385179
Something like this copypasta?
>my face when Americans call chips "french fries"
>my face when Americans call crisps "chips"
>my face when Americans call chocolate globbernaughts "candy bars"
>my face when Americans call motorized rollinghams "cars"
>my face when Americans call merry fizzlebombs "fireworks"
>my face when Americans call meat water "gravy"
>my face when Americans call a cuff link time johnny a "watch"
>my face when Americans call beef wellington ensemble with lettuce a "hamburger"
>my face when Americans call whismy flimsy mark and scribblers "pens"
>my face when Americans call twisting plankhandles "doorknobs"
>my face when Americans call a breaddystack a "sandwich"
>my face when Americans call hoighty toighty tippy typers "keyboards"
>my face when Americans call nutty gum and fruit spleggins "peanut and jelly"
>my face when Americans call an upsy stairsy the "escalator"
>my face when Americans call forcey fun time "rape"'
>my face when Americans call a knittedy wittedy sheepity sleepity a "sweater"
>my face when Americans call a nickedy-pop a "gear shift"
>my face when Americans call a choco chip bicky wicky a "cookie"
>my face when Americans call a pip pip gollywock a "screwdriver"
>my face when Americans call peepee friction "sex"
>my face when Americans call rooty tooty point-n-shooty a "gun"
>my face when Americans call cobble-stone-clippety-clops "roads"
>my face when Americans call a slippery dippery long mover a "snake"

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:33:34 2022 No.20386089 >>20386079 not that anon, but that one was actually decent. I liked the second story better, though.

Anonymous Wed May 18 11:37:49 2022 No.20386100
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>>20386079
Ohp, that's me. I'll reword it to be more professional. While 'The Prison' was re-edited before I published it, 'Jumping At Shadows' was really difficult for me to look back on. I kind of cringe reading it, honestly. It's only seeing the light of day because it had been published prior, and my wife pushed me to put it out again.

I think it's awful, actually, but others keep telling me they like it so I keep putting it out there.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:40:50 2022 No.20386108 I have written two chapters of my novel. Do i post them to royal road now or wait until i have a huge backlog and post them?

Anonymous Wed May 18 11:42:16 2022 No.20386113
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I'm not sure what this is but I do know it's my first bit of writing
The Reveller

What world did we first dare find with our eye?
Did we tremble before the fire and its ferocity?
Did we sing before the water and its withdraw?
We found a world that too trembles and sings
Do not speak to me; sing!
Do not walk with me; for I will be dancing!

What word did we first dare flick off our tongue?
"What?" Not this the word!
"Why?" Not this the word!
There, Fast, Go, Now, Up! These the words - and us the echo
Do not ask me a question; punch me!
Do not ask yourself a question; punch yourself!

What whims did we first dare write with our hand?
"What?" "Why?" These the words -
But their echo we are not.
For they have no sound
Do not remain silent; speak to me!
Do not remain seated; walk with me!

What wheel did we first dare round with our wedge?
Did beginner's luck make it a perfect one?
We rounded a perfectly round-spinning wheel made on a perfectly round-spinning planet
Come, spin with me; so that we may become a perfectly round-spinning circle!
And to those that will not spin: may you become perfectly dizzy!

What world will we last dare find with our eye?
Will we still tremble before the fire?
Will we still sing before the water?
We forged a world that trembled before the blow of our hammer and sang song of our dream
Do not speak to me; for I have had enough of words, whims, and wheels
Do not walk with me; for I may lead you astray

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:44:01 2022 No.20386116 >>20386108 I'm honestly just going to post mine as I write it. Need that instant dopamine hit from VIEWS

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:44:45 2022 No.20386117 >>20386108 Huge backlog. 2 chapters is practically nothing. Use the time writing more chapters to get further ahead so you can get some distance and are better able to view those chapters with a critical eye when you edit.

Anonymous Wed May 18 11:45:50 2022 No.20386119

>>20384020
While I enjoyed this, I thought you deserved some actual critique. One thing is that your transition from waiting to action is very abrupt. For example, these two paragraphs are doing a lot of work:
>Roland didn’t question his friend again. Hist wished him luck as he left the cell. He took a right, keeping the deep pit to his left as he followed Dreg’s lead.
>Eventually, at the end of the catwalk, Roland came to an open doorway. A spiral staircase ascended and descended before him, a torch lighting the entrance. Suddenly, he heard the tapping of a woodwalker below him.

Because he becomes stalked so immediately, it’s hard for the audience to feel immersed in the atmosphere, a pretty crucial element in building suspense. I think this piece could benefit from a slower build in the chase sequence—some descriptions of the pit/alleys outside the prison. I also wasn’t a fan of the ending, though I think that’s a harder thing to workshop. He’s building an army of..losers, right? People of who failed, essentially. Why? If he’s trying to overthrow God, wouldn’t he want soldiers who succeed? Just a thought, but maybe his advice to Roland was a lie—maybe if you escape, you actually become a woodwalker. If you don’t, maybe you’re killed or potentially let go.

Finally, I’d watch using words where they aren’t really necessary because it can make the writing feel a touch clunky. Like:
>Histern’s prideful speech bellowed
It’s obviously a prideful speech, no need to clue the audience.

It’s good work though anon, I really enjoyed the world you’ve created

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:46:00 2022 No.20386120 >>20386113 I actually really liked this, anon. Felt kinda inspired by taoism. Only issue is the last verse, "What world will we last dare find with our eye?" I'd opt for either last or dare, not both. Excellent otherwise, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:49:58 2022 No.20386128 >>20386120 I'm glad you like it! It's inspired by Nietzsche who was inspired by Schopenhauer who was inspired by the Upanishads

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:50:37 2022 No.20386130 >>20386053 Protip If you aren't getting dunked on, it means it wasn't read

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:54:45 2022 No.20386136 >>20386036 They went to WWOYM. We still get a few of these guys every thread but it's no longer completely filled to the brim with whiny faggots looking for "It's okay buddy :) You're a good writer just get out there and try!"

Anonymous Wed May 18 11:57:36 2022 No.20386142
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>>20386119
Thanks for taking the time to type this all out! All of your points are excellent. I think time spent building up the suspense would really help the story, and I can see whiplash happening from how quickly we transition from nothing to full speed ahead.

Dude, the fucking ending has had me fucked ever since I originally wrote it, lmao. In the world I had based that short story in, souls were going to be more of a quantity > quality type deal, especially when manipulated by a god.

That being said, when I quit writing that novel, that piece had way less to lean on. RIP.

I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks again for the good feedback.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:58:36 2022 No.20386145 >>20386136 >WWOYM what the fuck is that

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:59:15 2022 No.20386146 how do you write a ship's crew? which functions are they assigned to?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 11:59:32 2022 No.20386148 >>20386145 Write What's On Your Mind, the board's containment thread for when you need to vent your shitposts.

Anonymous Wed May 18 12:01:12 2022 No.20386155

>>20386146
Depends on the era of the ship. I'd recommend a documentary from the OG history channel before it went to shit. There are many.

"Mutiny on the Bounty" is about a classical ship crew and goes into detail with roles and responsibilities. Google searches can flesh that out more, too.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:03:36 2022 No.20386161 >>20386113 That switch up at the end

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:11:49 2022 No.20386192 >be brit jk rowling >write about a brit boy >become a billionaire. all my gears are ground

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:19:43 2022 No.20386220 >>20386082 Im reading Ulysses and I cant not think of this pasta.

Anonymous Wed May 18 12:29:01 2022 No.20386261

The Administrator entered the chamber and the Historian followed. Great pillars of translucent barrels slithered through the dark like veins of an amorphic beast. The Historian approached and examined one such barrel, which appeared to function as a singular cell, independent yet still part of the network. Within, a queer polyhedron hovered, kept in place by an electromagnetic field whose invisible skeleton constantly morphed to achieve a lasting optimum in an unavoidably dynamic world. It reacted accordingly to the Historian's presence; a dust so fine it behaved like a fluid changed its arrangement, revealing briefly the kaleidoscopic, fractal-like innards.
"Is it conscious?" asked the Historian.
"Of course not, why would it be? It's too specialized. Consciousness doesn't survive the training process," the Administrator replied.
"What does it do?"
"It does what they all do. Revisits the past."

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:35:12 2022 No.20386280 >>20386146 find a book that has a ship's crew in it study how the author wrote about the ship's crew it's like how programmers look at other people's code

Anonymous Wed May 18 12:42:42 2022 No.20386311

>>20386192
Experience tells me that freemasonry was involved in her book becoming a worldwide success. The story as a whole is decent, but not so much it warrants becoming one of the best selling series of all time. The story of her being a mother living off benefits sounds fake.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:44:35 2022 No.20386317 >>20386311 what the fuck are you on about?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 12:56:15 2022 No.20386360 >>20385810 >This general used to be better a couple years ago >>20385874 >This general was unusable a few years ago This general didn't even exist before last summer

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:04:03 2022 No.20386398 >>20386360 Based on a progress picture I posted in /wg/ on September 30, 2020. Maybe you're thinking summer 2020?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:06:27 2022 No.20386408 >>20386398 >somehow, 2 years have passed

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:16:24 2022 No.20386428 File: 604 KB, 668x1876, Joyce_Progression.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20386220 Did you do your required reading first?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:27:17 2022 No.20386453 >>20386142 Yeah man, keep at it—the world needs more interesting, less derivative storytelling

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:36:08 2022 No.20386475 how the fuck do i make any money on my writinggg

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:40:01 2022 No.20386485 >>20386475 Litrpg anime writing with an Isekai focus posted on Royal Road earning patreons

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:40:02 2022 No.20386486 >>20386475 You don't.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:43:03 2022 No.20386491 >>20386485 does it have to be anime? i don't know what the fuck Isekai means

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:47:01 2022 No.20386500 >>20386475 give up

Anonymous Wed May 18 13:47:34 2022 No.20386503

>>20386491
Isekai/portal fantasy is a trope wherein the protagonist is a character from 'our' world who winds up transported to another world in some way. Sometimes they're trapped, sometimes not, sometimes they died to get there, sometimes it just happens. And it doesn't really have to be anime. Or isekai. Or LitRPG, even. The two biggest series on RR aren't really any of those.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:48:31 2022 No.20386508 >>20386261 The sentence beginning with ‘within’ is painfully long. Also, barrels? Is that really the best word to describe a container that slithers?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:50:17 2022 No.20386515 >>20386485 >The secret to success is chasing a small yet overcrowded niche! There are more of you weirdos endlessly advertising writing for Royal Road/litrpg than there are even readers at this point

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:54:47 2022 No.20386529 >>20386311 >>20386317 aah, lit-pol! now we are getting into interesting topics. there has to be some weight behind the fact that the potter story was a bit too popular than it ought to have been.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 13:58:00 2022 No.20386538 >>20386503 Biggest series on RR tend to move out to their own sites.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 14:00:32 2022 No.20386545 Did Gardener make any money from here? Should i advertise my novel for a few weeks here? I do not care if you all tear it apart, I just want eyes on it and reviews on amazon

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 14:01:19 2022 No.20386548 >>20386538 True enough. The biggest ones currently there are MoL (which started elsewhere anyway) and Paranoid Mage. Everything else on that same scale I guess either left the site because of Kindle stuff or moved to their own site, yeah.

Anonymous Wed May 18 14:04:41 2022 No.20386562

>>20386079
>Why do so many add disclaimers like this, pre-emptively making up excuses before the story has even started?
They want feedback on the overall tone and structure of the story and not the minute details they might not have had time to plan or expand upon yet, you fucking tard,

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 14:05:29 2022 No.20386565 >>20386428 I havent read the Joyce stuff yet but read the others. I dunno why people recommended I read this first but I'm still enjoying it and taking notes of what he's doing.

Anonymous Wed May 18 14:07:54 2022 No.20386576

>>20386428
What retard made this? Chamber music can be totally ignored for one and you can't say you need to read Aquinas without also needing Aristotle to round up Stephen's philosophy and even then it's a stretch to need any of them. Literally all the books here apart from Dubliners and Portrait are only needed if you want to re-read with a deeper knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 14:17:47 2022 No.20386616 How do you name a country without making it sound like gibberish words?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 14:21:56 2022 No.20386625 >>20386616 i'm not some billionaire writer but here are my rules for writing - 1. there are only as many rules to writing as you think there are. so, how many rules do you think there are?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 14:31:35 2022 No.20386650 >>20386616 I only name stuff that's white and European so people have an easy time remembering it.

Anonymous Wed May 18 14:34:47 2022 No.20386662
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What legitimate way is there to gain readers on sites like Royal Road if your story isn't the usual cup of tea there? There is a FUCKING story on Royal Road right now called 'Cheep!?' that has over a thousand followers.

I don't want to write meme-shit, and I'm not a game-lit generic fantasy autist either. Ahhhh well. Whatever.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 14:36:30 2022 No.20386664 >>20386662 Royal Road is pretty much only sci-fi/fantasy, and it has a clear audience within that niche. You can get SOME other stuff on there, but you're not likely to be that big.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 14:37:06 2022 No.20386666 >>20386662 Stop asking questions you already know the answer to.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 15:29:23 2022 No.20386813 >>20385792 I guess it's over. If you don't have a masters in writing, you can't make it.

Anonymous Wed May 18 17:19:26 2022 No.20387295

>>20383885
Pasted your story into the InferKit AI:

"We have to eat too."
"Good. You may keep the rest of the eggs. It is a very good deal."
"Hutch."
"I'm right here." He was very close to her now, "There must be something else that's wrong."
"No, nothing. The market is near. You should come to my booth."
"If you are not going to have the girls, then you will have your answer."
Hutch held up ten dollars. Hutch saw the acrid smoke that greeted him in the morning. Another stand at the market. This one on the other side of the hall, he did not notice it earlier. Hutch looked at his watch. He turned away from the window. It was only five o'clock, too early to head home.
"This market, you're saying there's something wrong?"
"We are at war."
"The war is over?"
"No. It is not. They're fighting, trying to reclaim the land. They killed my husband."
"I'm so sorry. Your husband?"
"Tom. It was over ten years ago. They're killing my people. We haven't left. We're trying to survive."
"We're so sorry to hear about all of this."
"Thank you. You're welcome." She stopped and looked around, searching for someone. "I see you are well acquainted with my booth. Please take a few minutes and meet my oldest daughter, Ping. She's a nice girl, but she has an attitude. You must treat her kindly."
Ping turned around, no longer interested in the conversation, and bowed toward him. "Yes, Mr. Callaway."
"Mr. Hutch," she stared at him for a moment, unsure what to say, "Nice to meet you."
"Likewise."
Hutch was awestruck. She looked older than he had expected. The scowl that she wore made him want to punch her in the face, but the politeness of her stance was unbearable. He couldn't call her daughter an ugly bitch, but he could say it loud enough for her to hear.
"Nice to meet you."
"Wait." Hutch stepped in front of her, knocking her off balance. He saw the curiosity in her eyes. He smiled and stepped toward her. "We should go. " The

Anonymous Wed May 18 17:26:39 2022 No.20387321
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It's easy to show and not tell simple feelings. Like instead of telling that someone is cold, you can show them pulling up their scarf and shoving their hands into their pockets. However, what do you do for the more subtle/complex feelings?
Like how would I show this?:

"Lucy stood there in endearment. There was something genuine about all the smiles and laughter. It was like they had completely forgotten about the hardships outside. "
I have already overused the prose of "excitement glistened in her eyes as she scanned the crowded lounge." The eyes are where most emotion comes from, but things get pretty stale when you rely on only them to show subtle/complex feelings.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 17:28:54 2022 No.20387333 >>20387321 Have the character acting and talking in an excited way that's clearly not fake? You can also just tell. Show don't tell isn't really a thing for stories.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 17:31:43 2022 No.20387346 >20386475 look at this post. it's one of the most popular self-published books >20385498

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 17:34:57 2022 No.20387360 Here's a fun cringe thread. https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/119012?page=1 >How would you write madness? >"From experience...." CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIN

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 17:41:55 2022 No.20387376 >>20387295 >The scowl that she wore made him want to punch her in the face, but the politeness of her stance was unbearable. He couldn't call her daughter an ugly bitch, but he could say it loud enough for her to hear. WHAT A CHAD

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 17:48:52 2022 No.20387418 >>20387321 "city of bones" by crisandra claire she does a really great job of describing all kinds of emotions, including excitement i would search for the word "excitement" with your e-reader

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 17:51:07 2022 No.20387429 File: 83 KB, 283x475, wells.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20387418 >no one ever remembers the superior City of Bones

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 17:53:49 2022 No.20387443 700 words a day. That's 20,000 words in a month. Average novel is 120,000 words. Your novel could be done in five months with this simple benchmark.

Anonymous Wed May 18 18:33:51 2022 No.20387638

>>20387321
I like how Crime and Punishment described Rodion in the final chapter at the police station. The entire novel we get a portrait of his inner psychology but in the end its distant and we only see him speechless, always seeming to leave or advance and other physical things. It works so well because after the story we know him so well it's pretty clear what's going through his head. It also makes the epilogue quaint if not picturesque because it relies on imagery to wrap up the story.

Anonymous Wed May 18 18:37:36 2022 No.20387654

Been working on this for about a month. I *think* it's finished, but I'm not sure.

The soul of a city is not its towers,
manicured or gray,
they are just as skeletons, encasing,
not releasing life.

Nor is it the cherry blossoms,
even if they sweep the park
with candy flames, that photographers dine on.

And that shining cathedral, like an unfallen tear
held over the cars and high schoolers,
is not more blessed than the soul of a city.

Because the root is deep, and quenched
with the yells of the past,
the moon over the smoking windows
and the unlocked hands.

The home raised on the forgotten street,
where children are as butterflies
dancing through a web of blades.

Anonymous Wed May 18 18:42:08 2022 No.20387678

>>20384915
Keatsian, which I like, and you have an eye for beauty so that's good too. Only problem is the images feel hackneyed, I think you should reach higher than your current standard. You want to surprise the reader you know?

>>20385003
It keeps your attention despite feeling a bit corny. It reads a little too much like some 2010s pop punk lyrics but is also strangely compelling. With more self-criticism in regards to your cadence and subject, I think you will improve greatly.

>>20387654
This is mine.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 18:43:06 2022 No.20387680 How many books take place inside a snake’s stomach?

Anonymous Wed May 18 18:47:28 2022 No.20387695

The company Severed Press only publishes tales about mechs and spec ops teams fighting dinosaurs and zombies and things of that nature. I want to at the very least attempt to make something kind of like that, but turned on it's head just enough to where I like it. What do I read if I want to learn about how the military works?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 18:51:57 2022 No.20387712 >>20387346 Fuck... thats fucked. Those are steaming garbage. Is there genuinely no market on these kickstarters for literary fiction at all?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 18:55:42 2022 No.20387723 >>20387695 >What do I read if I want to learn about how the military works? I don't know dude, what a mystery. Probably JRPG strategy guides right? Try that and then ask me again and I can google it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 18:58:27 2022 No.20387736 >>20387723 You sound fat. You sound like you're 400 pounds. Lose some weight, fattie. Drink water.

Anonymous Wed May 18 19:05:18 2022 No.20387766

>>20387736
Sorry that I don't want to encourage holding the hand of every low agency nigger who wants to pollute the thread with the most elementary basic research fetch requests.

I'm sure writing 100k words of high quality prose would happen right after overcoming that hurdle of typing "military structure" in wikipedia.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:06:07 2022 No.20387769 >>20387736 You sound like an African starving for some of the food that >>20387723 stuffed in his fat mouth as he jerked it to sissy furry porn.

Anonymous Wed May 18 19:07:15 2022 No.20387773

>>20387654
Good sense of rhythm, and the rhymes are actually nice and don't feel forced like with most poems on here. However, "high schoolers" don't fit with the rest of the poem and the same goes for the photographers dining on cherry tree leaves. The latter felt rather corny, to be honest.

Anonymous Wed May 18 19:10:25 2022 No.20387788

Sweet Juanita.
Mortal goddes dipped in the nectar of the virgins provided by Allah himself.
Nita, oh how that name ripples through the pelvis of a man knowing your secret
Who could have fathomed that so few syllables could amount to the most beautiful word in any language
And those words that lifted me from this plane to another
"I have a penis"
Sweet Juanita
Let me taste you

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:26:49 2022 No.20387846 >>20387773 Thanks for the feedback. The latter as in the latter half of the poem or the photographers thing?

Anonymous Wed May 18 19:29:50 2022 No.20387857

If some nigger asks me how to start “x” I just ignore them.
Google it idiot.
If you have some question that actually includes your writing and how it can be improved, we’ll answer that.
If your question is something like “How do I write an interesting villain?” You shall be ignored.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 19:34:46 2022 No.20387875 >>20387857 What is a villain, after all, but a character with goals conflicting with the MC's?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 20:14:09 2022 No.20388028 >>20387654 i liked this a lot, reminded me of playing tag with my friends on my block in the summer until it got dark and the orange street lamps came on and our wife-beaters were stuck to our skins with sweat.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 20:19:31 2022 No.20388048 >>20388028 And your reply reminded me of an Edward Hopper painting. Good shit anon. Thanks a lot.

Anonymous Wed May 18 20:20:10 2022 No.20388051

>>20384239
I've written sci-fi, fantasy, mystery, horror, fairy tale, comedy, satire, religious fiction, genre-less stories about people interacting...I have no particular desire to pigeonhole myself.
>>20384397
Most people that write do so because they have something to say. Do you?
>>20385408
As opposed to?
>>20385463
Wrong thread.
>>20387443
First draft, you mean.
And where did you get 120k average?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 20:25:21 2022 No.20388066 >>20384017 >>20385408 >>20387736 >>20387769 seethe

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 21:16:54 2022 No.20388209 File: 21 KB, 348x134, Screen Shot 2022-05-18 at 6.16.11 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20388066 No. Royal road is a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 21:24:44 2022 No.20388235 >>20388209 What is not a waste of time?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 21:26:48 2022 No.20388247 >>20388209 yea anon, write that 300+ page american classic for 2+ years and tell me where that get you

Anonymous Wed May 18 21:33:48 2022 No.20388260

Since we're a whole ass general now, how about we get some FAQs written for shit like "What is Royal Road and how do I use it?" Even menial stuff like "How do I make moneeeeeyyy" can be answered in a serious way. Could cut down the waste of posts that happens every thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 21:37:34 2022 No.20388271 >>20388209 Let me guess...you got banned from RR, and are now seething mindlessly about it?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 21:38:55 2022 No.20388280 >>20388247 I don’t write gay fiction. >>20388271 I’ve never bothered nor will I ever. It’s too high of a time investment with so little return, even by writer standards.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 21:43:56 2022 No.20388294 >>20388280 So what's the alternative?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 21:44:00 2022 No.20388296 Did some necessary clean-up today and rounded out with 1,500 words. Successful day lads, we’re all gonna make it

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 21:46:51 2022 No.20388310 >>20388294 Anything but royal road. I think you'd have an easier time on youtube for God's sake, even with the higher effort, you'd at least get real views. What's the traffic to royal road, like 100,000 unique users a month?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 22:03:02 2022 No.20388342 >>20388310 You're going to need to be more specific if you expect to have any credibility. So far, you're just seething about Royal Road.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 22:03:50 2022 No.20388345 >>20388342 You can't read?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 22:07:15 2022 No.20388355 >>20388345 Yeah..."anything but Royal Road". So...jerking off in private? Will that publicize my fiction? Do you actually have a plan or not? Personally, I'd take 100k unique visitors per month.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 22:11:15 2022 No.20388371 >>20388296 Same bro. Did about 800 today back in the first half of the book as I retool that part and now settling in for some reading before bed. This is the year of hope.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 22:34:26 2022 No.20388436 File: 72 KB, 816x120, 59C42504-D137-47F9-8D9D-71F6A4943100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20388355 You can’t read? You think you’d get all 100,000 unique visitors on a multi creator platform? Are you mentally handicapped?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 22:48:38 2022 No.20388471 >>20388436 I'd be happy to get a fraction of those 100k viewers. You still haven't articulated much of an alternative. It's like you just came here to bash on RR. Disclaimer: Not an RR fan or anything...just tired of the pseuds

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 22:51:57 2022 No.20388483 >>20388471 You really can't read. Genuinely ignoring the alternative mentioned. I wonder what other spergs think of you.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 22:57:14 2022 No.20388495 >>20388483 So YouTube, only YouTube, and nothing but YouTube? Not much of a plan.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:06:43 2022 No.20388526 >>20388495 Oh, so you could read the last 3 messages, you just chose to ignore it like a retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:07:57 2022 No.20388528 I think I messed up. I gave my character a traumatic backstory before I figured out what the character's ultimate goal was. C-can I figure that part out afterwards?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:08:50 2022 No.20388534 >>20388526 Ugh. You have literally bored me into submission. Good night.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:12:40 2022 No.20388542 >>20388526 not that anon but what is the alternative besides YouTube

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:35:29 2022 No.20388599 >>20388526 Post your works

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:39:51 2022 No.20388614 File: 146 KB, 824x1053, FE79A335-61C0-4435-9F70-03449B423C86.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20388599

Anonymous Wed May 18 23:41:11 2022 No.20388620

>>20385361
Its probably because you are projecting what you think a folk or a sailor would sing about instead of having first or second hand experience about it. so it comes off as kinda fake. its a common problem.
>>20385385
A lot of times people care. Doesnt mean it should spoil everything, and if it works for him than thats fine too, but doesnt mean you should just ignore it full stop either. Thinking if the cringe is personally warrented or not should be important.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:44:25 2022 No.20388636 File: 289 KB, 1166x750, F24946F5-2CC4-401C-AA65-EAF1E01A5838.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What kind of words would you use to get something like this in a non visual medium? Like, communicating the sheer impact of a blow.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:47:24 2022 No.20388650 >>20388614 I didn't expect you to shit on RR especially since you made it. I guess the sour attitude is warranted because of how many people shit on you when you were a humble guy.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 18 23:50:50 2022 No.20388665 >>20388650 That’s not really F Gardner

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:05:11 2022 No.20388709 >>20388665 Sigh… Just shy of showing my butthole, no one will believe it’s me.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:07:20 2022 No.20388713 >>20383834 Tbh I ususlly get more of what I want to get out of fantasy just by reading old books.

Anonymous Thu May 19 00:09:26 2022 No.20388717

>>20388636
I'd start with describing what the impact looks like on the outside. Describe things like how far he got lifted off the ground, the type of emotion on his face or compare it to getting his by a car, a sledgehammer or an animal. Then go and describe it internally. Broken bones, bruised muscles and even describe how long he might be down for.

Anonymous Thu May 19 00:10:11 2022 No.20388722
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Ok, so I need your opinions on something. Would you read a book about a casino in a fantasy universe. Imagine a book about a lich brought in by a mob to run a casino and has all sorts of problems. Cheating wizards, orcs with bad losing streaks, elf whores walking around trying to steal his customers and goblins just straight up trying to pickpocket people. Halfing mobsters and making sure they get their cut while trying to keep under the radar of the local paladins. All in a magical city that is enchanted to glow for miles.
Like Casino(1995) but fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:10:27 2022 No.20388723 File: 551 KB, 1080x2181, jigoku opening.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20388665 >>20388614 Even if it IS Gardner, it's fucking hysterical that he thinks to shit on RR when his own dogshit work is barely a 3* by RR's lukewarm standards

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:14:34 2022 No.20388731 >>20388723 What part of it is dogshit? This is purple prose. Maybe not the greatest, but it’s definitely good.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:15:51 2022 No.20388735 >>20388723 Where does this idea of RR having any standards come from? There's more terribly written stories than good ones and the barrier for entry touches the ground.

Anonymous Thu May 19 00:18:52 2022 No.20388742

>>20388731
>multiple tense changes just in this excerpt
>stilted dialogue and sentence structure
>dialogue about on par with a fucking xianxia novel

I've read my share of RR trash and the only ones that read as poorly as Jigoku all had a 3-3.5* rating AT BEST, usually the prose is at least inoffensive

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:19:37 2022 No.20388744 >>20388731 For one, that’s not what purple prose is. For two, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:21:44 2022 No.20388753 >>20388722 >Someone has an idea >everyone ignores it for the blatant bait Never change /wg/. No wonder no one here writes.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:21:55 2022 No.20388754 >>20388731 shut up Gardner,

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:24:49 2022 No.20388760 >>20388753 >It's like x but x I only care about original ideas.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:30:02 2022 No.20388767 >>20388723 I’m in a discord with F. He’s nice and I don’t remember him ever insulting anyone. He has weird beliefs but he’s oddly polite.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:32:35 2022 No.20388772 >>20388767 That's a fair point, but I've known people who did a complete 180° demeanor-wise in an even slightly anonymous setting

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:33:18 2022 No.20388774 >>20388723 This honestly reads alright. If THIS is the example you’d cite to illustrate Gardner’s a poor writer then that confirms my suspicion that there are just jealous anons who have it out for him.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:36:29 2022 No.20388787 >>20388772 That interview on YouTube has a discord link to a channel he’s in. Just @ him and ask yourself.

Anonymous Thu May 19 00:37:20 2022 No.20388788

>>20388774
That dialogue is nearly exactly the type of
If anything, the fact Jigoku's opening is written like this combined with fact Gardner "made it" just makes me feel better about my own prospects as a writer.

He could AT LEAST shore up the dialogue and not constantly change tenses

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:37:35 2022 No.20388789 >>20388767 >can’t believe your hero is an asshole S I M P

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:38:03 2022 No.20388791 >>20388723 "This writing is really bad. I don't like it and other people don't like it too." thought me, a sad 4channer more gloomier than the boy. Then I took out my ephemeral keyboard of justice and reluctantly went to laborious work.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:38:21 2022 No.20388792 >>20388788 ...Why the fuck did half a sentence disappear? I meant to say: >That dialogue is nearly exactly the type of slip-up I write when sleep deprived and then cringe at later when I have to fix it.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:40:32 2022 No.20388798 >>20388792 >Making fun of someone’s grammar >Fuck up what you’re saying Kek. You sure showed F.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:40:47 2022 No.20388799 why do you write?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:42:54 2022 No.20388810 File: 23 KB, 621x112, 25C7818D-CBE9-40A2-A0EA-3DF3A63A37A3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20388787

Anonymous Thu May 19 00:43:32 2022 No.20388813

>>20388799
Cos I can't find shit written exactly to my tastes, and if I don't write it, someone else will, and they'll fuck it up.

>>20388798
Hey, it's not about not making mistakes, but about fixing them. Unfortunately Gardner didn't seem to feel that way about Jigoku's prose even on a purely technical level.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:48:44 2022 No.20388828 >>20388753 Ideas are a diamond dozen. Write your doggy dog world instead of wailing like a bride

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:53:58 2022 No.20388852 >>20388810 Wow. Offline but Gardner’s really in there.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:54:19 2022 No.20388853 >>20388723 Kinda does read like a RR book.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 00:55:07 2022 No.20388857 >>20388853 Yeah, like the lower-quality stuff that fills the 5k+ ranks.

Anonymous Thu May 19 01:18:23 2022 No.20388932

How do I parse in the fact this alien charater is thought of as attractive by others? Like, in her community she is considered attractive and her beauty is a small plot driver. But to the reader she is just a lizard with feathers for hair and piercings made of stone. No human would imagine her and think "oh.. she's hot alright" unless they're a furry or something

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 01:22:48 2022 No.20388946 >>20388932 >parse almost impossible. >directly, irrevocably set as fact at least one other alien from her species should be like, "daayyyuuummm, nigga, who's this?" simply stating, a point of reference is required.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 01:33:15 2022 No.20388979 Random question but what is the consensus on forum roleplaying and it's effect on writing? Does it help or hinder writers? Is it a waste of time? I see a lot of aspiring writers started off roleplaying so now I'm curious.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 01:39:06 2022 No.20388992 >>20388979 If it works for you. Look you can write a fantasy about a sexy nun using sex magic to combat Satan's demons doesn't mean it'll be any good to roleplay it

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 01:47:48 2022 No.20389019 >>20388979 It can do a great deal of good and help build foundations but it's basically a coinflip depending on the specifics of the roleplaying community you came from

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 01:56:11 2022 No.20389042 >>20387429 thanks for the rec

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 01:58:41 2022 No.20389049 File: 278 KB, 992x994, 1644853490550.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20388731

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 02:00:20 2022 No.20389059 >>20388722 I would!

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 02:33:40 2022 No.20389148 >>20388979 It will greatly augment your ability to write homosexual fanfiction

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 02:40:10 2022 No.20389166 >>20389148 >implying that's not what my writing is all about

Anonymous Thu May 19 02:42:51 2022 No.20389172

>>20386562
>They want feedback
If the work isn't finished, then it shouldn't be published. Go to some fucking critique forum or whatever. And if the author actually gave two shits about improving the story, he wouldn't have left it untouched for 11 years before posting. He just wanted attention without effort and not a word of criticism. YOU FUCKING TARD

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 02:50:37 2022 No.20389187 File: 643 KB, 811x675, dumb nigger the blackest retard gorilla nigger.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20389172 Tell me you don't actually write without saying it out loud

Anonymous Thu May 19 03:04:27 2022 No.20389217
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>>20383763
question: I have an idea for a book of "new hieroglyphics" (aka memes) would /lit/ be the place to discuss it, or not? Basically, my idea is that I'm going to take really famous memes and reduce them down, for example, picrel. I guess there wouldn't be much actual writing involved, mostly context and history...

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 03:37:53 2022 No.20389281 how do i phrase someone switching their position in bed so that they are lying feet to head instead of head to feet?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 03:44:31 2022 No.20389305 >>20389281 a vertical 180°? upside-down?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 03:54:22 2022 No.20389323 >>20389281 wrong way around

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 04:09:51 2022 No.20389349 >>20389172 >Go to some fucking critique forum or whatever Where do you think you are nigger?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 04:21:10 2022 No.20389378 >>20389349 many come here to procrastinate and seethe about people who actually write

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 06:24:16 2022 No.20389643 somewhere, in the many self-published eroticas, there is our generations Shakespeare

Anonymous Thu May 19 06:39:07 2022 No.20389665

>>20389643
i'm right here.
>“Have you heard the story of Judas Iscariot?” asks Bucksneed.
>I nod.
>Bucksneed muses: “Iscariot was a car salesman from Issaquah, or perhaps a technologist. You know the kind. Smile empty of all but its too-white teeth. Fantastic dentistry! it must be said. Eyes uncreased by genuinity. What I mean to say, Stan, is that Iscariot and his people were inured to falsity. It was the standard to which everything was measured. It provided the counterweight, opposite the fulcrum, to all that could be shoehorned into the weighting cup: grain, parenthood, labor, land; all measured out to its immaculate precision. Iscariot never quite gathered the nerve to sit down upon it himself.
>“It would be easy, here, to delve too deeply into the mundane. Yes, it is a fact that Iscariot was obsessed with value. All was subservient to the strictly material. But all is subservient to the strictly material—is it not?—so this is hardly out of sorts. Iscariot was taken by a particularly offensive brand of philistinism in aspiration of facilitating, and then maintaining, his entrance into the bourgeoisie. Of note: I adopt here the manner of greater men and paraphrase Flaubert, by which I mean ‘bourgeois’ to evoke a state of mind, rather than a state of pocket. In fairness, one usually follows the other.
>“This is, of course, not a sin. A weakness, to be sure—to fall prey to contemporary convention—but not a sin. The greatest sin is that of inauthenticity. You see, Iscariot considered himself an artist. With the salary of a technologist, he accumulated tchotchkes and some semiotic trappings of the artist’s ply. His home, tucked into exclusive hills of bus-unserved suburbs, became a shrine to the image of the artist. Upon its edifice, he placed his own crude simulacrum. Though too tired, too busy, too engrossed with the care of larval half-images of himself, he’d come home and perhaps pick up an expensive guitar—one of many!—to strum a few chords with soft fingers and remark sadly upon the state of the world, that one such as he could find time only for work. Such talent, squandered! he’d think to himself. ‘If only I could have all these tools and this home in the hills and spend all day creating art! Perhaps I’ll retire young—at sixty—and enjoy it all!’ This, of course, never happened. By the time his career fizzled out, so had his youth.
>“His was a displaced egocentrism. His desire for art and lust for material were at dissonant odds. Lust prevailed, as is its wont. Iscariot was a creature strictly of this world. There were some small betrayals along the way, but his greatest betrayal was to his own basic nature. We all aspire to mastery, Mr. Howl. Remember that.
>“Irregardless, within this mug, I have your medicine. You should be needing it soon.”

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 06:43:06 2022 No.20389674 >>20389665 That's... Actually pretty good. Fuck. This has to be a copypasta, or a meme edit of something else.

Anonymous Thu May 19 06:43:12 2022 No.20389675

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>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 06:43:51 2022 No.20389678 >>20389674 >That's... Actually pretty good. No it's not.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 06:46:18 2022 No.20389681 >>20389678 I choose to enjoy this snippet regardless of what a retard on the internet thinks of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 06:48:47 2022 No.20389687 >>20389665 I'm going to need an optometrist after reading this. Human eyes should not be able to glaze over to this extreme.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 07:38:41 2022 No.20389779 I know the muse usually refers to internal inspiration but have any of you met someone that is personally a muse to you? Do you love or hate her?

Anonymous Thu May 19 07:46:56 2022 No.20389800
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YZ2VhS-8wIiKG-PXkprBpPnGv1J7fRRr/edit
writing a guide to life. involves things like accelerated learning and protips to that effect
please read through this incomplete outline, the next few steps are written at the top so that's what to expect i guess

any help is appreciated

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 07:50:54 2022 No.20389809 >>20383763 >[Embed] [Embed] [Open] [Open] [Open] [Open]

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:09:00 2022 No.20389843 >>20388528 Yes you can. Sometimes it's easier that way since the effect comes after the cause. >>20388799 Because if I don't I feel as if my life is amounting to very little since I don't derive true fulfillment from my job.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:11:46 2022 No.20389847 >>20389809 Sometimes I add these tags in OPs just to see how long it takes to be deleted

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:15:06 2022 No.20389855 >>20389809 You too huh? I add other things though.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:26:49 2022 No.20389871 >>20388828 The phrase is "a dime a dozen" you retard kek

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:28:37 2022 No.20389876 >>20389871 Ahahhahahaha he actually said a diamond dozen.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:30:41 2022 No.20389882 >>20389876 What bright futures writers of 4chan have hahaha

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:41:54 2022 No.20389912 >>20389800 This self help guide is nigh impossible to read and the format is stupidly confusing. It's not even a good self help guide. >Learn to code bro lol >Invest bro lol >Just lift bro lol It's not even good advice. How old are you?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:42:54 2022 No.20389916 >>20389871 >>20389876 >>20389882 >>>/Reddit/

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:44:48 2022 No.20389928 is it grammatical to use past tense after sometimes. i repeated it so much its lost its meaning >sometimes it happened like this

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:48:35 2022 No.20389940 >>20389916 You must be the dime a dozen reddit user. Please proceed into the nearest meat grinder clitoris first.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 08:57:53 2022 No.20389969 >>20389912 well there are people who dont do that do you do all of that? why did you put so much focus on coding

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 09:00:08 2022 No.20389976 >>20389969 What are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 09:14:23 2022 No.20390029 >>20389281 Say they're lying feet-to-headboard, or feet-on-pillow, or some such.

Anonymous Thu May 19 09:15:27 2022 No.20390034
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>>20383834
>The reason most people these days only write fantasy is because they haven't studied any of Western literature
wrong. It's because the big blockbuster book adaptions are almost all fantasy or sci-fi. These people don't read anything that they didn't already see adapted to screen, and none of them are smart enough to look up how bad fantasy novels sell when they aren't harry potter or game of thrones, so they think they'll be as rich as Rowling if they just shit out elf-schlock

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 09:37:42 2022 No.20390099 >>20389281 >he sat up, threw off the covers, and laid his head at the foot of the bed, leaving his feet in it's place on the pillow

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 09:39:51 2022 No.20390107 >>20390099 get rid of the "in it's place" >leaving his feet by the pillow

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 09:57:37 2022 No.20390160 It’d be so nice if you didn’t have to write beginnings and ends, writing would just be so easy.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 09:58:16 2022 No.20390163 >>20390160 Literally all I'm good at writing is beginnings.

Anonymous Thu May 19 10:02:57 2022 No.20390180

>>20390163
I feel like whenever I try, I either super rush it, or don’t rush it at all, which I feel like would just bore people. When I read other works, I can’t tell very well what keeps me reading. Possibly in part because I usually read things recommended to me, so I power through even if I’m not interested to begin with

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 10:08:28 2022 No.20390196 File: 73 KB, 884x620, Ode on Bloom.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Post poetry here? (But I wrote this reeling, Having got exceedingly drunk today, So that I seem to be posting with feeling)

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 10:13:47 2022 No.20390210 >>20390034 That's why I write self-improvement books instead.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 10:22:02 2022 No.20390235 >>20388932 It wouldn't be alien if it could lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 10:24:47 2022 No.20390246 >>20390196 I can't read your font.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 10:28:08 2022 No.20390257 File: 395 KB, 884x620, to sleep perchance to dream.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20390246

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 10:28:44 2022 No.20390262 >>20390034 Romance is the biggest seller by far. Next are mysteries. Then thrillers, I think. But these three easily make up half of book sales. I'm not sure how far sff is down the list.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 10:35:26 2022 No.20390285 >>20390262 People tend to get a bit skewed by Harry Potter being so huge, but SFF stuff doesn't actually sell all that well. Even ASOIAF is only "pretty high".

Anonymous Thu May 19 10:40:48 2022 No.20390299

>>20390262
yep. romance and thrillers also sell more evenly instead of having most of the booksales wrapped up in a few specific franchises.
Horror had a similar problem in the 90s iirc, where there were tons of writers and not nearly enough readers. An entire industry held up by stephen king.

Anonymous Thu May 19 10:42:04 2022 No.20390305
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Is it really okay just to jump into dialogue like this when establishing a story? The guy who posted this story earlier in the thread got feedback that was generally positive. Is it pleb feedback or did he actually write dialogue naturally?

t. legitimately autistic.

Anonymous Thu May 19 10:44:24 2022 No.20390321

>>20390262
>>20390285
https://stacker.com/stories/995/best-selling-fiction-books-year-you-were-born
For comparison, a list I found from a quick search is mostly not fantasy. Harry Potter is the main exception when it comes to mainstream success. Lord of the Rings, by comparison, doesn't even show up (The Silmarillion does, oddly).

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 11:25:00 2022 No.20390417 >>20390305 story reads okay but >Still, ambient sounds from outside their cell could be heard occasionally-- metallic doors opening and closing with groans and slams, prisoners yelling or crying, the strange shuffling of feet that echoed hollowly.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 11:26:02 2022 No.20390423 >>20390417 forgot to ask, is that a proper sentence? english isnt my first language but it looks weird

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 11:34:58 2022 No.20390454 >>20390321 Not a bad read. I found a few new interesting books through this list.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 11:45:10 2022 No.20390486 how do i "take inspiration" from harry potter?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 11:57:38 2022 No.20390518 >>20390486 like patrick rothfuss did

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 11:57:45 2022 No.20390520 >>20390486 You "take" and claims that it's "inspiration".

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 11:58:05 2022 No.20390522 >>20388799 I can't draw fast enough for comics, nor can I animate, but I have the 'tism and a story to tell.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 11:59:56 2022 No.20390524 >>20390518 i would like to know more, please. >>20390520 I think I understand. sort of.

Anonymous Thu May 19 12:08:15 2022 No.20390543

>>20390034
I like fantasy and I like sci-fi, but my favorite settings are ones where things are more grounded. I have a strong dislike for settings with cosmic level beings who are essentially invulnerable (marvel shit). To me it feels like there are essentially no stakes when these characters feel like they bounce back from everything. For some reason people enjoy it though.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 12:21:30 2022 No.20390575 Is Rance better as smut or actual romance? Pride and Prejudice or someshit like my lover is a 10 tentacle slob?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 12:23:08 2022 No.20390582 >>20390575 Rance is at its best as a story about the unification of Japan (Sengoku Rance)

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 12:33:05 2022 No.20390621 >>20390575 Rance is a porn game, anon

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 13:00:36 2022 No.20390738 How do I write about romance if Ive never had it before?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 13:01:55 2022 No.20390742 >>20384015 Based historical chad. My career plan is historical romance > fantasy romance > historical fantasy. We will be the next big thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 13:03:12 2022 No.20390748 >>20390738 Read romance books and use your imagination.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 13:08:37 2022 No.20390772 >>20390742 Also, you have to understand how girls think, so read psychology and unironically redpill manosphere type stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 13:09:13 2022 No.20390775 >>20390738 Write about real romance, the discovery of the unknown and of grand adventure.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 13:10:37 2022 No.20390780 >>20390738 Also, you have to understand how girls think since they are 85% of the readership, so read psychology and unironically redpill manosphere type stuff.

Anonymous Thu May 19 13:15:31 2022 No.20390801

>>20390738
Recommended 1st few books in romance.
>pride and prejudice
>gone with the wind
>the flame and the flower
>50 shades of grey
>twilight
Find out who the most popular romance bestsellers are and read a book or two by them. Pick a subgenre and speedread a few dozen of the current amazon bestsellers. ??? Profit.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 13:28:48 2022 No.20390867 >>20390738 Jane Austen was a khhv

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 13:29:18 2022 No.20390872 I have a whole story ready, I have 50 pages of notes detailing all the major things that would happen, but I just can't start writing. Wtf wrong with me?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 13:34:08 2022 No.20390890 >>20390872 Read more in your genre. Get to know your characters. Organise your notes into a 3 act template. 25% >hook >inciting incident >end of the beginning 50% >act 2:1 >midpoint >act 2:2 25% >crisis >climax >denouement

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 13:43:39 2022 No.20390921 >>20390872 just thing of your notes as draft zero so you've already started now you've got to do draft one

Anonymous Thu May 19 14:39:46 2022 No.20391164

>>20383763
I have repeatedly asked and will ask again in the next thread. Real writers, processionals, hire editors. Your favourite author hired an editor. Your favourite book was edited by an editor. I have hired editors and they were bad. Is there a resource to find better and professional editors? Last time someone suggested I post my work here to be edited. I am not asking you, 4chan, to edit my work. I am asking where do you find good editors. That is, unless, you DON’T find editors at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 14:41:40 2022 No.20391178 >>20391164 >implying anyone here is making enough to hire a decent editor

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 14:45:54 2022 No.20391192 New thread >>20391186

Anonymous Thu May 19 14:45:59 2022 No.20391193

>>20391178
Thankfully I do, Im years into a career and got a promotion. I already have enough saved up to work with agents, editors and publicists. I dont want to put in all this effort only to flounder at delivering the the story and frankly with a full time day job I dont have time to do that on my own.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 15:00:26 2022 No.20391262 >>20390034 That couldn't be a more obvious cope if you tried, if someone really wanted to just make money they'd write for the supermarket smut novel market.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 15:08:41 2022 No.20391311 >>20391164 >Real writers, processionals, hire editors. Real writers are provided editors by their publisher.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 15:48:29 2022 No.20391485 >>20391311 So real editors are retained by a publisher than assigned a prospective manuscript?

Anonymous Thu May 19 15:50:18 2022 No.20391494

>>20391193
The problem is editors cost 2-3 grand. That's a very expensive hobby if you can't plough sales back into it. Imo it's not worth making that outlay upfront before you know you can make it. There are other skills you should be developing before you start worrying about editing. Simply finishing a work for one. Publishing, marketing, and writing the next one. If you didn't make enough in sales from your first three unedited books to hire an editor for your fourth, then you are doing something seriously wrong that an editor can't help you with and need to go back to basics.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 17:14:55 2022 No.20391878 >>20390738 Write your ideal relationship plus some twists and turns and comedy.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 18:01:53 2022 No.20392062 >>20391262 >if someone really wanted to just make money they'd write for the supermarket smut novel market. that's my point retard

>>	Anonymous Thu May 19 19:19:03 2022 No.20392425 >>20388799 It's not a choice. I just gotta put myself in front of a keyboard and blow. >>20388979 I frequently base my villains on jerks I've met online. So keep seething! >>20389281 Flip lengthwise? >>20389675 I don't listen to reggaeton.

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